[Campaigns-l] Candidate Inclusion

Fri Aug 11 02:30:05 UTC 2006

Deane 

  You seem to have mistaken my point.

  The mission statement for Campaigns Wikia is for discussion to be 'more intelligent'.  It also states that "Broadcast media tells you what to think and doesn't let you get involved."  To that, I'd add that candidates and campaigns often do the same.

  So my point is that we need to be aware that many of those either running for office, working for those running for office, or supporting those running for office won't value the purness off that mission.  In fact, one the sources of the most trouble for Wikipedia have been staffers in congressional offices either praising those they support and attacking those that they oppose...often with misleading statements.

  Since that has been an unfortunate trend, I'm saying that we're likely to see that same thing happen here.  We need to be cognizant of that.  

  You mentioned:

  1) This is an open Wiki, people can and will comment, that should in
theory keep their posts honest... making them representative of their true
views

  Yes, people can and will comment...that's true.  But what's done theory in theory is not always done in practice.  And the problem may not be necessarily honesty vs. dishonesty, it could be simple political blabbery..."I'm for good schools".

  2) The ability to go back and conclusively prove that a politician said
one thing and did another is very powerful... more fool them if they think
they can simply annex earlier comments from the records as if it was
policy on their own website.

  Yes, of course.  Let's hope they get specific enough to call them on things if they go back on their word.

  3) If you want politicians to be participatory then that must be truly two
way... if you want this to be a place to bash them without fair defence
then they (me) will not participate.

  I most definitely want them to participate.  I'm not looking at this as a place to bash them.  It doesn't mean it has to be one or the other.  And I'm not calling for restrictions against candidate involvement.  My concern is that I hope that they end up respecting this for what it is.  So far, from what I've seen, many in the political arena haven't.  Which leads me to my original point.  We have to be congnizant that a decent amount of people in the political arena will not have the purest of motives.

  Here's a quick example of abuse, in this case involving YouTube:

  http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2273111&page=1

deane at jessep.co.nz wrote:
  I completely disagree for a number of reasons:
Candidates should be able to publish self serving rhetoric because:
1) This is an open Wiki, people can and will comment, that should in
theory keep their posts honest... making them representative of their true
views.
2) The ability to go back and conclusively prove that a politician said
one thing and did another is very powerful... more fool them if they think
they can simply annex earlier comments from the records as if it was
policy on their own website.
3) If you want politicians to be participatory then that must be truly two
way... if you want this to be a place to bash them without fair defence
then they (me) will not participate.
4) All of that said... if I were to put that kind of stuff up at all it
would probably be via a link to my own policy site.

Deane Jessep

> While I agree with idea of getting candidates to take part, the one thing
> that we have to remember - and this is huge - is that they don't simply
> use this as a platform to say that they're "for good schools", "a cleaner
> environment", and "REAL national security".
>
> I would think that that would be the natural tendency for most in
> campaigns. Don't give specifics. Attack your opponent. In a way, it
> can go against the mission.
>
> Janet Hawtin wrote:
> On 8/9/06, Chad Lupkes wrote:
>
>> What we need more than anything is more people involved in gathering
>> candidate information and data on upcoming elections.
>>
>> Chad
>
> How about inviting the candidates and their parties to add their info.
> For things to be maintainted it would be good if they updated it
> themselves?
> This is a self publish kind of thing?
>
> Janet
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