[Campaigns-l] neutrality - humanity - int. structure and concept

[Jonathan Stromberg]

Hello.  I'm new.

These sorts of questions can be best answered by a mission statement,  
and i think that applies here too.  The mission is to support  
democratic politics.  Clearly, despotic agendas are contrary to  
democratic policy, so maybe there's should be a control standard.   
That said, merely conservative (or even mildly reactionary) values  
are not necessarily despotic.

I think Ingmar, in this case, was referring to a despotic politik.   
Though some things (like corporate control of information) are still  
in the realm of debate, they may soon (and it seems that Campaigns  
Wikia by its nature supports this) will be categorized as despotic.

Personally, i think neutrality is the right word for Campaigns, as  
opposed to NPOV.  Neutrality is not apathy, as Ingmar implies, but an  
assertion that though we share common beliefs (progress of democracy)  
we do not necessarily align ourselves with any particular champion of  
those beliefs.  Anyway, NPOV would be ridiculous in practice on  
Campaigns, it seems like the whole point is POV.

-JS (who is totally pumped by Campaigns Wikia)

On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Seth de l'Isle wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 07:43:49PM +0200, VirtualOffice at gmx.net wrote:
>> 3. neutrality, humanity - good people, bad people
>>
>> I think we should also think about a new definition about neutrality
>> for Campaigns Wikia, because neutrality is not all. I can not be
>> neutral if anybody say that a dictator is a good guy and people  
>> try to
>> make campaigns for deep dark ideologies.
>
>   As I understand it, campaigns wikia allows you to express your
>   opinion, as long as you don't try to thwart the ability of others to
>   express their opinions.  As I understand it, this is not a departure
>   from NPOV but simply a difference in policy regarding what it is
>   acceptible to write an article about.
>
>> So, if we help people to make campaigns, we should help good people,
>> people without dark ideologies. We should help people, which want to
>
>   Who decides who is a good person and who has a dark ideology?
>
>> This is why we need for Campaigns Wikia good people. Friendly, humane
>> people, which want to make this world better - and not bader. Also we
>
>   No arguement there.  But good people do not always make the world
>   better.
>
>> can not divide humanity in parties. Humanity is humanity. The modell
>> of parties is a old modell. Humanity is a timeless knowledge. It is
>> also known as wisdom.
>
>   But who decides what is wisdom?  I believe it is possible for well
>   meaning people with all relevent information available to them to
>   disagree about politics.
>
>> I have not a sure formula for this, but I think we could together  
>> find
>> such a rule for Campaigns Wikia so that we all have to do with good
>> and friendly people.
>
>   Again, who chooses what makes a good and friendly person.  I think I
>   have a formula for what you're after though: openness, fairness and
>   non-exclusivity.  We help to create an environment for discussion of
>   politics that is open, fair and free and it will be a thorn in the
>   side of every politician who doesn't want to be responsible to their
>   constituents, and a boon to every politician that serves their
>   constituents.  It's not a recipe for eutopia, but it is a recipe for
>   democracy (in the strict sense of rule by the people).
>
>> This is why we should be neutral and non-party, but we should also
>> find together a rule with a humane aspect, so that we never support
>> and give a place with Campaigns Wikia for campaigns against other
>> people or the human rights or campaigns for power, money or
>> ideological interests to get more attention in the world.
>
>   Who decides what is a campaign against other people or against human
>   rights?  Freedom House?  Amnesty International?  Reporters Without
>   Borders?  The UN?  NATO? The US Government?  You?
>
>> I'm very interested to help to make Campaigns Wikia to a global
>> leading plattform for campaigns which make this world a better place.
>
>   I think your passion will certainly be a boon to Campaigns Wikia,
>   thanks for being involved!
>
>> With friendly and good people this is possible. :-)
>
>   Here, here.
>
> Thanks,
>     Seth
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