[Campaigns-l] neutrality - humanity - int. structure and concept

[Chad Lupkes]

 Hi Ingmar,

We do want links between the various language sites.  For example, the
English site has an article (mostly blank so far) on Germany (
http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Germany).  I'd love to see a page created on
kampagnen that we could link to, similar to how Wikipedia does it.  The
difficulty is that I can't read French, and it's been 20 years since I spoke
and read German.  We're going to have to encourage bi-lingual users to do
the translation work.  This is the Tower of Babel all over again, but this
time we're going to get it right because we're not going to give up.

The foundational structure that we have put together on English is
three-fold.

First, there is a Voters Guide page, which has links to articles for
each region and country that has elections.  We put this together from the
United Nations Geoscheme, and it's working really well.

Second, we have an Electoral Calendar, where we post dates and links to
elections that are coming up.

And the third is the forums.  Not all articles are within the forums, as we
are experimenting with possibilities and allowing people to create articles
outside of the forums to see where they go.  If they continue to get
attention and new content, we'll leave them alone, but if they sit idle for
a while, we'll move them to the forums to try and get the conversation
started.

Ideally, I'd like to see candidates listed on election pages linked from the
Electoral Calendar, then we can build pages on how the candidates feel about
the issues, their history, etc.

After an election is over, facts and such should be copied to Wikipedia, but
that's still just an idea.

As has been stated by several others, we cannot choose which people are good
and therefore they are allowed to contribute.  We can't pre-judge people or
ideas.  All are welcome.  What we need are solid policies that will allow us
to defend ourselves against destructive measures that come aganist us.
There's a policy that MorePerfect.org has implemented that works very well.
They call it "Constructive, not Destructive".  Anything that adds to the
discussion is welcome.  Anything that subtracts from the discussion is not.
And we now have a three-revert-rule policy to help identify and isolate
people who refuse to follow our policy.

I'm going to call our policy APOV from my previous post until we come up
with a better way of putting it.  And I'm looking forward to Jimmy posting
on the topic.

Chad Lupkes
Volunteer Admin - Campaigns Wikia (English)


On 8/16/06, VirtualOffice at gmx.net <VirtualOffice at gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Jimmy wrote me, that I should mail my petitions better here on the list,
> so I will do and try this now. :)
>
> I'm very interested in Campaigns Wikia and we try to find in the german
> language "kampagnen.wika" some basic resolutions. This is why I would like
> to ask you all some questions.
>
>
> 1. int. basis structure, concept and methods
>
> First, I think, we need a foundation and a structure. That means also a
> structure between the single language Campaigns Wikia, so that we can
> contact and work with special people from the en, fr and other language
> Campaign Wika's.
>
> This is important for the future, because it would make not sense, if the
> different Campaign Wikia's would have other concepts and methods and
> thoughts, what Campaigns Wikia is and what not. We need a conjointly base
> between the language Campaign Wikias.
>
>
> 2. to the structure...
>
> We on the german language Campaigns Wikia see at this time no good
> structure - also not on the english Campaigns Wikia and we dont want to copy
> this. There are many more or less senseful contributions, but unfortunately
> no structure to work effective on good campaigns. "Every politician would
> smile" wrotes NPbdV in the german CW chapter. Yes. :)
>
> We think, that we dont need a second "campaigns Wikipedia" and political
> discussions or political flame wars, because in the Wikipedia we found the
> most themes in great contributions and many of this have very warm
> discussions.
>
> So we need a new way to fill the great potential, what us is given now
> through Jimmy attention to make this world better also on a political way.
> There are many initiatives for online democracy or political wikis and
> nothing is new, but we have one important advantage now how it wrote the
> journalist "Erik Möller" and that is Jimmy Wales.
>
>
> 3. neutrality, humanity - good people, bad people
>
> I think we should also think about a new definition about neutrality for
> Campaigns Wikia, because neutrality is not all. I can not be neutral if
> anybody say that a dictator is a good guy and people try to make campaigns
> for deep dark ideologies.
>
> Never, never, never!!! Here I will always say what Jimmy wrote about the
> TV politic: its stupid, stupid, stupid!!! I will never accept such
> ideologies against the human life. I will always fight for the right of the
> freedom of expression (also for such people), but I will never work together
> with people with such dark and bad thoughts on the same project. Would I do
> this, I would support with my "neutrality" this dark ideologies to get more
> attention.
>
> So Campaigns Wikia should have not only neutrality as concept. It should
> also have humanity as concept. With neutrality can not make the wolrd
> better. Also Wikipedia is not neutral. Wikipedia stands for free knowledge.
> Britanica for comercial knowledge. The open letter from Jimmy to the
> blogosphere is definitive not neutral for Campains Wikia. ;)
>
> So, if we help people to make campaigns, we should help good people,
> people without dark ideologies. We should help people, which want to make
> this world a better place for all people and not people, which want to
> create dark ideologies for the world. We dont help the humankind if we
> support and help campaigns with dark ideologies against the humankind to get
> more attention.
>
> Every news in a newspaper about Campaigns Wikia which campaigns from such
> people, would bring this people more attention and more such people to
> Campaigns Wikia and simultaneously the dead of Campaigns Wikia. The most
> people would never support a project which is a help for ideologies to get
> more attention. Also I'm not.
>
> This is why we need for Campaigns Wikia good people. Friendly, humane
> people, which want to make this world better - and not bader. Also we can
> not divide humanity in parties. Humanity is humanity. The modell of parties
> is a old modell. Humanity is a timeless knowledge. It is also known as
> wisdom.
>
> This is why every campaign on Campaigns Wikia should answer a question
> like this:
>
> "Is my campaign good for all people in the sense of the humankind, for
> every child - or helps my campaign to make this world more from bad to
> worse? Or helps my campaign single people or groups of people to get more
> power or more money to realize ideologies and/or to exploit other people?"
>
> I have not a sure formula for this, but I think we could together find
> such a rule for Campaigns Wikia so that we all have to do with good and
> friendly people.
>
> Its like free knowledge vs. commercial knowledge. Its like free water (as
> a human right) vs. commercial water. In such questions we should never be
> neutral. If we would neutral, we would support bad things. A neutral voice
> over a dictator helps a dictator like a good voice. That is the basic
> problem with neutrality in political affairs. Neutrality helps always the
> bad side.
>
> This is why we should be neutral and non-party, but we should also find
> together a rule with a humane aspect, so that we never support and give a
> place with Campaigns Wikia for campaigns against other people or the human
> rights or campaigns for power, money or ideological interests to get more
> attention in the world.
>
>
> This is what I have to say at this time :-) and I hope we found together a
> good way for good and friendly people to realize good campaigns over
> Campaigns Wikia - and besides a foundation a international structure for the
> different language Wikias so that we can work together, so that we are
> strong, flexible, fast and convincing.
>
> I'm very interested to help to make Campaigns Wikia to a global leading
> plattform for campaigns which make this world a better place.
>
> With friendly and good people this is possible. :-)
>
> Now I'm very interested on your ideas and thoughts to this themes, so that
> we come together to a int. structure and concept.
>
> And if I'm wrong with my thoughts, I will ever learn from better thoughts.
> I'm adaptive ;-)
>
>
> Ingmar
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