From kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com  Fri Dec  1 00:18:08 2006
From: kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com (CH Rob J King)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:18:08 -0500
Subject: [Campaigns-l] interesting quiz for political party
	selection
Message-ID: <BAY114-W5C4DD073895AC028DDFB9DBDA0@phx.gbl>

Brian, That sounds great!  I'll be pretty busy this weekend (Army work), but I can start a discussion with you in the Forum tomorrow 1 December 2006 (Friday) and then later on next week from Monday 4 December and onwards . . . Please let me know when you post it (please feel free to use my direct e-mail at kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com) because Nationalism is a very pertinent political issue to be discussing.
Thank you again.
Blessings in Jesus,
Rob





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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:52:49 +0000From: allthecoolnameshavegone at gmail.comTo: rking40536 at my.gcu.edu; campaigns-l at wikia.comSubject: Re: Re[2]: [Campaigns-l] interesting quiz for political party selectionCC: 
Rob, I'm going to start a topic in the forums about Nationalism later today or tomorrow, specifically its usefulness in forming people into a society. I don't want to take this mail thread off-topic.
 
As for the usefulness of quizzes like this, I think something better is required to use the internet to engage people in the political process. Something like ....a wiki. Interactive, information rich, and more sophisticated than a simple quiz. Yes or No answers aren't good enough.  
 
 
On 11/28/06, Robert King <rking40536 at my.gcu.edu> wrote:

McLurker: Thank you for the dialogue.  I agree about Nationalism being an efficient form of government, but do you think that it is more likely to cause war?  For example as Americans, we are held together by governmental and bureacratic structures, mass media, etc. but what seems to "unify" the country more than anything is going to war.  This is sad, and as a Just-War Advocate in the Christian Tradition, I opposed the War in Iraq (but not opposed to the Just-War in Afghanistan), but no one would listen to such concerns then (I was a 20% minority in March 2003, along with the infamous Dixie Chicks!).  Now, 3 years later, Iraq had the makings of a blood-bath, but I think that the problem will be contained with Shalom (a theological category) with Moderate Islam in the Middle East.  They should all bury the hatchet and just get back to work.  Blessings, Rob J King, U.S. Army 

  
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From neoclassical at mail.com  Sun Dec  3 03:55:13 2006
From: neoclassical at mail.com (neoclassical at mail.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:55:13 -0500
Subject: [Campaigns-l] interesting quiz for political party
	selection
Message-ID: <20061203035513.AABE910428@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>


> Rob, I'm going to start a topic in the forums about Nationalism later today
> or tomorrow, specifically its usefulness in forming people into a society.

Do you have a link to this topic?

Useful nationalism resource:
http://www.pan-nationalism.org

Includes "Nationalism FAQ"


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From noel.whelan at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 06:01:08 2006
From: noel.whelan at gmail.com (Noel Whelan)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 00:01:08 -0600
Subject: [Campaigns-l] off-topic: international crime data
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References: <20061124010235.31D11478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <1eb3081c0612022201m3459ae7aq724549809f66b8f5@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if I'd be counted once for each, considering it depends on
the issue/topic, which is ironic because I'm definitely not centrist
-or- indecisive..

- Noel

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From allthecoolnameshavegone at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 14:39:37 2006
From: allthecoolnameshavegone at gmail.com (Brian Reilly)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:39:37 +0000
Subject: [Campaigns-l] interesting quiz for political party
	selection
In-Reply-To: <20061203035513.AABE910428@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20061203035513.AABE910428@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <8e664de70612030639n734273b8xead2539b1428d8de@mail.gmail.com>

http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:What_is_the_point_of_nationalism%3F


On 12/3/06, neoclassical at mail.com <neoclassical at mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Rob, I'm going to start a topic in the forums about Nationalism later
> today
> > or tomorrow, specifically its usefulness in forming people into a
> society.
>
> Do you have a link to this topic?
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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 16:49:38 2006
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:49:38 -0800
Subject: [Campaigns-l] interesting quiz for political party
	selection
In-Reply-To: <8e664de70612030639n734273b8xead2539b1428d8de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061203035513.AABE910428@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
	<8e664de70612030639n734273b8xead2539b1428d8de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0612030849n13b3194ap116f7c9e51bf85f4@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting.  This link doesn't include the question mark as part of the
URL, even though the escape code is there.  I'll have the technical staff
take a look at this.  The real page does include the question mark.

Chad


On 12/3/06, Brian Reilly <allthecoolnameshavegone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:What_is_the_point_of_nationalism%3F
>
>
> On 12/3/06, neoclassical at mail.com <neoclassical at mail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Rob, I'm going to start a topic in the forums about Nationalism later
> > today
> > > or tomorrow, specifically its usefulness in forming people into a
> > society.
> >
> > Do you have a link to this topic?
> >
> >
>
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From lucychili at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 21:01:36 2006
From: lucychili at gmail.com (Janet Hawtin)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:31:36 +1030
Subject: [Campaigns-l] interesting quiz for political party
	selection
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0612030849n13b3194ap116f7c9e51bf85f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061203035513.AABE910428@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
	<8e664de70612030639n734273b8xead2539b1428d8de@mail.gmail.com>
	<801553ab0612030849n13b3194ap116f7c9e51bf85f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9d7bc330612031301w200ab3d6hef105fe2f0b53886@mail.gmail.com>

A Questionmark is a programming special character.
The %3F on the end is how it is being safely adapted for a url.
Same thing happens to spaces, they become %20.

Janet


On 12/4/06, Chad Lupkes <chadlupkes at gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting.  This link doesn't include the question mark as part of the
> URL, even though the escape code is there.  I'll have the technical staff
> take a look at this.  The real page does include the question mark.
>
> Chad
>
>
> On 12/3/06, Brian Reilly
> <allthecoolnameshavegone at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:What_is_the_point_of_nationalism%3F
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/3/06, neoclassical at mail.com < neoclassical at mail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rob, I'm going to start a topic in the forums about Nationalism later
> today
> > > > or tomorrow, specifically its usefulness in forming people into a
> society.
> > >
> > > Do you have a link to this topic?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From neoclassical at mail.com  Wed Dec  6 01:32:54 2006
From: neoclassical at mail.com (neoclassical at mail.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:32:54 -0500
Subject: [Campaigns-l] off-topic: international crime data
Message-ID: <20061206013254.77FB1164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>


> I wonder if I'd be counted once for each, considering it depends on
> the issue/topic, which is ironic because I'm definitely not centrist
> -or- indecisive..

Many of us fit into the same category. So did (and no Godwin's law here) Adolf Hitler: an arch-conservative radical socialist.

Oh well, so much for the left-right axis ;)


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From neoclassical at mail.com  Wed Dec  6 01:40:00 2006
From: neoclassical at mail.com (neoclassical at mail.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:40:00 -0500
Subject: [Campaigns-l] interesting quiz for political party
	selection
Message-ID: <20061206014000.6278F164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>


Interesting. I left a few suggestions in "discussion." I think it's a valid point for exploration.

>http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:What_is_the_point_of_nationalism%3F


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From rking40536 at my.gcu.edu  Wed Dec  6 17:14:32 2006
From: rking40536 at my.gcu.edu (Robert King)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:14:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Campaigns-l] interesting quiz for political party selection
Message-ID: <3695743.1165425272797.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp31>

please see my most recent contribution to the Wiki-Campaign political dialogue . . .
please click to the following link : http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Forum_talk:What_is_the_point_of_nationalism%3F#condescending_comment
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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 14:58:45 2006
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:58:45 -0800
Subject: [Campaigns-l] Status report on Campaigns Wikia
Message-ID: <801553ab0612200658s7624c572s5f047fd3ba946407@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

We've had quite a few new people subscribe to the list in the last few
weeks, and I thought I would post a quick status report.  We have 809
people subscribed to this list currently.  That's absolutely amazing,
btw.

We now have sites in 11 languages: Chinese, English, Spanish, Arabic,
Portuguese, Japanese, French, German, Italian, Polish, Hungarian.  I
just took a look at the languages other than English, and the only one
that is really active is Japanese.  I can type 'please' and 'thank
you' in a few of them, and there are automatic translators that at
least translate word by word, but more than that I'm afraid I can't
do.  But I'd like to find a way to encourage participation in those
languages as well.

Hopefully, we'll be done with the policy vote distractions within the
next few weeks.  I had no idea that it would take this long to get
through everyone's ideas, and I'm sure that more ideas will continue
to be posted.  That's ok, but I think we have a good enough foundation
for now.

I've just updated the Electoral Calendar to show that all the
elections we have listed in 2006 are now over, and it's time to focus
on 2007.  For the national elections, we can also start working on the
2008 elections as well.  Please contact me directly if you would like
suggestions or if you have any questions.

Chad Lupkes
Lead volunteer, Campaigns.Wikia.com


From baphometster at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 01:59:50 2006
From: baphometster at gmail.com (Io Attawai)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:59:50 -0800
Subject: [Campaigns-l] A Yuletide Missive from the Constitutionalist
	Candidate for 2008
Message-ID: <cde42430612091759ua3ef80em42f98677861528aa@mail.gmail.com>

Merriest of Seasonal Greatings to all.

First of all i want to assure one and all that the campaign to
eliminate the electoral system in favor of direct popular vote will
continue with or without our help. It's just going to take longer
without it, and i for one don't plan on living into the next century.
I would like to have a vote now. As it stands, all i have is a chad, a
hollow vapor-vote that the current pack of profiteers want to channel
into overpriced ballot shredders.

This puts a point on the real issue. It's this that i want you to talk
about amongst yourselves.

We all know that the Deibold Voting Kiosk debacle is an ongoing sham,
a National Embarassment of such unmittigated gaul that the rest of the
world actually sympathizes with the common American's plight. The
white-collar thugs of the reigning cleptocracy made no effort to hide
the ripe nepotism and clear conflict of interest in the contracts
foisted off on the public for these poorly constructed travesties.
They almost seem as if they were designed to rig elections. The
failure rates and specious results conspire with the lack of paper
trail and source code irregularities to point a full hand worth of
accusatory fingers at Deibold and it's proponants.

This indicates that someone wanted to fudge the popular count. Which
they did, to a lesser degree than required to obscure the fact that it
didn't make a difference.

2000 saw the electoral vote give an election to the loser, and we did
nothing. Noone mentioned the disparity in the count, Al Gore chose to
fight a losing battle in an unrelated arena, and we have inheirited
the whirlwind as a direct result.

Why? Why did Diebold fudge a meaningless count? Why did Gore
halfassedly contest Florida's count?

TO KEEP YOU CONVINCED OF IT'S RELEVANCE.

Look, you don't have to take it from me when i say the electoral
college is the number one reason that the aristocrats still rule us
like the voiceless serfs we are becoming again. You know they do. You
know that the founding fathers were landholders, New World Lords, you
know what their intent was. You vote for your cities' Mayor, right?
How about Judges? City Council? All direct popular votes, right?
Governor, State Legislature, Circuit Judges? All direct popular votes,
right?

Propositions, state bills, bond issues, all popular direct ratification, right?

How about the federal mirror of these municiple and State organs?
Supreme Court?

Appointed.

President?

Elected by people appointed by legislatures ACCORDING TO PARTY AFFILIATION.

Talk it over while your doing your holiday socializing. Ask others why
we don't have an actual vote.

You can view a proposed ammendment and download campaign materials at
<a href="http://www.mild7.org/citizenj/"
target="new>http://www.mild7.org/citizenj/</a>.

Have a happy and safe Yule. Jai Jai!

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From kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com  Thu Dec 21 19:22:45 2006
From: kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com (CH Rob J King)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:22:45 -0500
Subject: [Campaigns-l] Status report on Campaigns Wikia
Message-ID: <BAY114-W4B95486BAC214C1FA5E57DBCE0@phx.gbl>

Kudos to Chad Lupkes!  As perhaps the most controversial responder to the Wikia Campaign list-serve (CH Rob J. King, grassroots Activist, Pro-Life Leader and Republican political hopeful in the John McCain due process of law tradition), I am quite pleased to see how Wikia Campaigns is progressing.  With the exception of one hurtful interchange regarding my pro-life political views, the Wikia Campaign forum has been conducted at a high level intellectually (mostly thanks to Chad Lupkes and myself trying to meet in a shared Rational Discourse), and has also been a fruitful forum for not only technological issues, but also an exercise in political theory itself.
So, again, thank you to Chad.  Although we are on different sides of the political spectrum, 90% of our core political commitments (Pro-Family, Anti-Corporate Corruption, etc.) are grounded in TRUTH as ascertainable through Rational Discourse.  If only Congress itself could do such a thing!!!!
Pacem ET veritas, Rob J King, Republican





 





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> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:58:45 -0800> From: chadlupkes at gmail.com> To: campaigns-l at wikia.com> Subject: [Campaigns-l] Status report on Campaigns Wikia> > Hi everyone,> > We've had quite a few new people subscribe to the list in the last few> weeks, and I thought I would post a quick status report. We have 809> people subscribed to this list currently. That's absolutely amazing,> btw.> > We now have sites in 11 languages: Chinese, English, Spanish, Arabic,> Portuguese, Japanese, French, German, Italian, Polish, Hungarian. I> just took a look at the languages other than English, and the only one> that is really active is Japanese. I can type 'please' and 'thank> you' in a few of them, and there are automatic translators that at> least translate word by word, but more than that I'm afraid I can't> do. But I'd like to find a way to encourage participation in those> languages as well.> > Hopefully, we'll be done with the policy vote distractions within the> next few weeks. I had no idea that it would take this long to get> through everyone's ideas, and I'm sure that more ideas will continue> to be posted. That's ok, but I think we have a good enough foundation> for now.> > I've just updated the Electoral Calendar to show that all the> elections we have listed in 2006 are now over, and it's time to focus> on 2007. For the national elections, we can also start working on the> 2008 elections as well. Please contact me directly if you would like> suggestions or if you have any questions.> > Chad Lupkes> Lead volunteer, Campaigns.Wikia.com> _______________________________________________> Campaigns-l mailing list> Campaigns-l at wikia.com> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/campaigns-l
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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 03:11:54 2006
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:11:54 -0800
Subject: [Campaigns-l] Happy Holidays!
Message-ID: <801553ab0612241911q715869eaqf549ecfd7c05494@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to express my appreciation for the work that has been
done, and my excited anticipation for the work that will be done in
the coming year.

Whereever you are in the world, may peace and joy fill your lives with
love.  Be it Christmas, Yuletide, or by all the thousands of other
names that we call the turning of the year, let's work together in
2007 to build a world that we can all be proud of.

Chad Lupkes
Campaigns.Wikia.com


From neoclassical at mail.com  Fri Dec 29 02:29:34 2006
From: neoclassical at mail.com (neoclassical at mail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:29:34 -0500
Subject: [Campaigns-l] Status report on Campaigns Wikia
Message-ID: <20061229022934.1506E1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>


> We've had quite a few new people subscribe to the list in the last few
> weeks, and I thought I would post a quick status report.  We have 809
> people subscribed to this list currently.  That's absolutely amazing,
> btw.

I thought I'd drop in a note about a general problem of Wikis -- abuse by those who edit articles and/or seek to destroy things with which they disagree. Note the current third or fourth debate over deleting the American Nihilist Underground Society entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/American_Nihilist_Underground_Society_(3rd_nomination)

We've got a massive public image problem, as well as a massive quality control problem, as long as such things go on. This makes Wiki look like a group blog and not a serious effort.


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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 03:57:02 2006
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:57:02 -0800
Subject: [Campaigns-l] Status report on Campaigns Wikia
In-Reply-To: <20061229022934.1506E1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20061229022934.1506E1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0612281957vf32e072ud81e4d8ee9d51b28@mail.gmail.com>

1. Campaigns is not Wikipedia.

2. I just voted to keep that article.  Not that I want to know
anything more about the group, I just don't see any reason to delete
things.  I personally thing the "non-notable" limitations of Wikipedia
are unproductive.  It's not like Wikipedia doesn't have enough room...

Chad

On 12/28/06, neoclassical at mail.com <neoclassical at mail.com> wrote:
>
> > We've had quite a few new people subscribe to the list in the last few
> > weeks, and I thought I would post a quick status report.  We have 809
> > people subscribed to this list currently.  That's absolutely amazing,
> > btw.
>
> I thought I'd drop in a note about a general problem of Wikis -- abuse by those who edit articles and/or seek to destroy things with which they disagree. Note the current third or fourth debate over deleting the American Nihilist Underground Society entry:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/American_Nihilist_Underground_Society_(3rd_nomination)
>
> We've got a massive public image problem, as well as a massive quality control problem, as long as such things go on. This makes Wiki look like a group blog and not a serious effort.
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