[Campaigns-l] Creating a Matrix - Criteria

Fri Jul 7 10:06:17 UTC 2006

--- Wendy Beck <wsbeck at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Since most people need some kind of visual sense of organization, I had been 
> thinking of a matrix.  Call it The Matrix Wiki ;-)
> 

I second this strongly. Are the extensions already in place for the easy
editing of such matrices ? I have been thinking of the need for such pro-et
contra matrices regarding several hotly debated issues, like the Greenhouse
effect, methods for curbing traffic deaths, the scientific bicycle helmet
debate and more.

The ordinary table could be used, but is a bit cumbersome to edit. You need two
windows open to keep track of which column you are in etc. (Am I missing
something here )

In addition to the brief statement of the arguments, perhaps there could be an
option for indicating the weighing of the different arguments in the total.
That weighing would be controversial, so might be difficult in practice.

- Morten

> We can ask ourselves to list the most important criteria for making 
> decisions about candidates and then decide where in The Matrix it should 
> logically go. Of course, each part of the Matrix can be clicked to go deeper 
> -- get more facts, background, quotes, etc.
> 
> Sometimes people get turned off by too much information and they give up.  
> If the criteria we choose makes sense and are organized well, this Wiki will 
> be used a lot more. Hopefully, it will be referred to by candidates, mass 
> media, Women's League of Voters, etc.
> 
> 
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> >Date: Fri,  7 Jul 2006 02:57:33 +0000 (UTC)
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> >Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Welcome; getting down to work :) (Jimmy Wales)
> >    2. Re: Some Thoughts (Jimmy Wales)
> >    3. US-only or international? (Erik Moeller)
> >    4. Re: US-only or international? (BLueRibbon)
> >    5. Re: US-only or international? (Elena Barskaya)
> >    6. Re: Some Thoughts (Bob)
> >    7. Re: US-only or international? (Morten Lange)
> >    8. Re: Some Thoughts (George Murray)
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:21:21 -0500
> >From: Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com>
> >Subject: [Campaigns-l] Welcome; getting down to work :)
> >To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> >Message-ID: <44AD9AF1.4060208 at wikia.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >Welcome!  Wow, I caused a bit of a stir. :)
> >
> >There are over 350 people subscribed to this mailing list now, and more
> >subscriptions coming in already.  For now, I will keep the list
> >unmoderated, so let's all please be very respectful of volume... keep it
> >down as much as possible, because for one thing, we want to not just
> >talk on the mailing list, but start building something on the wiki. :)
> >
> >I intend to copy everyone in a day or two as well to an
> >announcements-only list so that if the volume here gets too high, people
> >can choose to leave here but choose to stay on the low volume list just
> >to stay in touch.
> >
> >So first a few words about 3 sections that I think we can and should
> >build on the site, all of which seem to me to be equally important...
> >
> >1. Invitations and instructions and guidance for volunteers and
> >campaigns to get started building their own wikia sites.  I suspect we
> >will quickly learn from some brave experimenters what kinds of things on
> >each of those sites makes the most sense.  (Position papers and meetup
> >planning are two examples that seem obvious to me.)
> >
> >2.  Issues - neutral (VERY IMPORTANT!!!) presentations of various
> >campaign issues, the point here is to give voters a place to come for
> >basic information about active issues... this differs from Wikipedia
> >articles on the same issues, because we are not talking about a full
> >encyclopedia article, but more of a "voter guide" to the issue.
> >
> >3. Voter guide to candidates - neutral (VERY IMPORTANT!!!) presentations
> >of all candidates, broken down by region, office, etc.... also different
> >from Wikipedia in that these are neutral statements about the candidate
> >from the point of view of learning about them for the current election,
> >i.e. more of a focus on campaign platform.  We may want to consider as
> >well trying to do a pair of "pro" and "con" sidebar articles...
> >
> >---
> >
> >for me what make sense is that the central Campaigns Wikia site should
> >be informational and nonpartisan and neutral, and focussed in a very
> >strong way on outreach and involvement... helping ordinary people learn
> >how to get involved.
> >
> >Then, individual campaign wikias are a totally different matter.  Here
> >the social norm for each of these should be that they are *supportive*
> >of the candidate... these are social spaces *for the supporters*.  I am
> >pretty sure that if we work hard to generate a wiki spirit, we will see
> >good people of various political persuasions working in good faith to
> >help even people of different political persuasions to build better 
> >sites...
> >
> >Anyway, welcome, this is pretty cool. :)
> >
> >
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> >Message: 2
> >Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:36:31 -0500
> >From: Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] Some Thoughts
> >To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> >Message-ID: <44AD9E7F.7060507 at wikia.com>
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> >Pete Ashdown wrote:
> > > In my experience running a campaign wiki, registration is needed along
> > > with administrative approval.  I went from completely open down to this,
> > > due to the spamming and abuse.  If I had an army of editors staying the
> > > abuse, then I would go back to completely open, but as it is, I have
> > > other things I need to do in running a campaign.
> >
> >One of the things that I hope very much that we can offer to campaigns
> >like yours is exactly that army of editors.  At least from my experience
> >at Wikipedia, there are a TON of people who care more about civil
> >discourse than about pushing a particular point of view.
> >
> > > I compare it to the town hall meeting.  All are welcome to attend
> > > (unlike some recent town hall meetings by American politicians), but if
> > > you act like an obnoxious jerk, then you'll be thrown out.
> >
> >Exactly.  My view is that we can build a healthy central community of
> >people who care about enriching the political discourse, so that a site
> >like yours can be opened back up... with a strong community to defend it
> >from attacks.
> >
> >Small wikis always have a tough time dealing with spam and other abuse.
> >  But larger ones can help each other out.
> >
> >Very counterintuitive given the poisonous political environment, but
> >after years of experience in the wiki world, I know there are more good
> >people than bad.  To me it seems perfectly sensible that we would see
> >democrats helping republicans, and republicans helping democrats, to
> >have better wikis.... because good people on both sides prefer to have a
> >respectful dialog rather than vandalism.
> >
> >--Jimbo
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> >Message: 3
> >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 02:16:55 +0200
> >From: "Erik Moeller" <eloquence at gmail.com>
> >Subject: [Campaigns-l] US-only or international?
> >To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> >Message-ID:
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> >
> >This is an interesting project, and I hope it will be successful
> >(though it's not quite clear to me yet what it's trying to be
> >successful at ;-). Certainly Jimmy has demonstrated that he has a
> >powerful social network at his disposal. He just needs to post on his
> >blog and he'll have a flash mob showing up for tea! ;-)
> >
> >Right now the frontpage and content is very US-centric, which is not
> >surprising given the way the news about the site has propagated. I
> >wonder whether any thought has been put into whether and how to
> >internationalize the project yet. In Wikipedia, the project is split
> >across languages -- it seems to me that something like this might be
> >best split across countries, such as:
> >
> >campaigns.de.wikia.com => Germany
> >campaigns.fr.wikia.com => France
> >
> >Of course, many countries have multiple official languages, so you might 
> >need
> >
> >campaigns.ca-fr.wikia.com => Canada, French
> >campaigns.ca-en.wikia.com => Canada, English
> >
> >The URLs tend to get a bit awful - if the project grows, perhaps it
> >should get its own domain name. Does this approach seem sensible
> >otherwise? If so, it might be good to have a page where people can
> >sign up if they are interested in a campaigns wiki(a) for a particular
> >country/region.
> >
> >Erik
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 01:23:48 +0100
> >From: "BLueRibbon" <blribbon at fastmail.fm>
> >Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] US-only or international?
> >To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> >Message-ID: <1152231828.19918.265467617 at webmail.messagingengine.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 02:16:55 +0200, "Erik Moeller" <eloquence at gmail.com>
> >said:
> >
> > > Right now the frontpage and content is very US-centric, which is not
> > > surprising given the way the news about the site has propagated. I
> > > wonder whether any thought has been put into whether and how to
> > > internationalize the project yet. In Wikipedia, the project is split
> > > across languages -- it seems to me that something like this might be
> > > best split across countries, such as:
> > >
> > > campaigns.de.wikia.com => Germany
> > > campaigns.fr.wikia.com => France
> > >
> > > Of course, many countries have multiple official languages, so you might
> > > need
> > >
> > > campaigns.ca-fr.wikia.com => Canada, French
> > > campaigns.ca-en.wikia.com => Canada, English
> > >
> > > The URLs tend to get a bit awful - if the project grows, perhaps it
> > > should get its own domain name. Does this approach seem sensible
> > > otherwise? If so, it might be good to have a page where people can
> > > sign up if they are interested in a campaigns wiki(a) for a particular
> > > country/region.
> >
> >Hmm, it would be a good idea, but those URLs are beginning to look more
> >like browser strings than a web address ;)
> >I think a new domain would work better, as you suggested.
> >
> >~ BLueRibbon
> >
> > > Erik
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> >Message: 5
> >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Elena Barskaya <barskaya at yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] US-only or international?
> >To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> >Message-ID: <20060707004819.49970.qmail at web55615.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >Yepp, toatlay agree.
> >   Don't forget about Russia.
> >   But then again it's not only about discussing local politics, it's about 
> >exchenging knowledge betwen countries.
> >
> >Elena
> >
> >Erik Moeller <eloquence at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   This is an interesting project, and I hope it will be successful
> >(though it's not quite clear to me yet what it's trying to be
> >successful at ;-). Certainly Jimmy has demonstrated that he has a
> >powerful social network at his disposal. He just needs to post on his
> >blog and he'll have a flash mob showing up for tea! ;-)
> >
> >Right now the frontpage and content is very US-centric, which is not
> >surprising given the way the news about the site has propagated. I
> >wonder whether any thought has been put into whether and how to
> >internationalize the project yet. In Wikipedia, the project is split
> >across languages -- it seems to me that something like this might be
> >best split across countries, such as:
> >
> >campaigns.de.wikia.com => Germany
> >campaigns.fr.wikia.com => France
> >
> >Of course, many countries have multiple official languages, so you might 
> >need
> >
> >campaigns.ca-fr.wikia.com => Canada, French
> >campaigns.ca-en.wikia.com => Canada, English
> >
> >The URLs tend to get a bit awful - if the project grows, perhaps it
> >should get its own domain name. Does this approach seem sensible
> >otherwise? If so, it might be good to have a page where people can
> >sign up if they are interested in a campaigns wiki(a) for a particular
> >country/region.
> >
> >Erik
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> >
> >
> >Elena
> >
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> >Message: 6
> >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:00:50 -0400
> >From: "Bob" <dogclem at shentel.net>
> >Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] Some Thoughts
> >To: <campaigns-l at wikia.com>
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> >Mr. Wales, You can call me Josey. and I'm with you chief.
> >
> >First thing seems to me should happen, the political operative types should
> >hit the big web/blog sites pushing the story.
> >
> >Nice if we could have a central committe and division of labor, though.
> >
> > >From personal experience, it's time consuming to take an internet story,
> >work it hard, and get it to end up above the fold on Olbermann.
> >
> >Take Care,
> >
> >Josey
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >Message: 7
> >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 02:48:38 +0100 (BST)
> >From: Morten Lange <morten7an at yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] US-only or international?
> >To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> >Message-ID: <20060707014838.89557.qmail at web51004.mail.yahoo.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> >
> >--- Elena Barskaya <barskaya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yepp, toatlay agree.
> > >   Don't forget about Russia.
> > >   But then again it's not only about discussing local politics, it's 
> >about
> > > exchenging knowledge betwen countries.
> > >
> > > Elena
> > >
> >
> >That is what I thought, also : The globalisation process is strong, on many
> >levels, and that certainly goes also for politics. Politics in the US can 
> >have
> >so far- reaching consequences that parts of it instantly influences the 
> >global
> >political arena. So a discussion of US-politics can often become a 
> >discussion
> >about consequences outsde the US, directly and indirectly.
> >
> >I think the global and international standpoint, discussed using English, 
> >is
> >likely to be the most interesting and fruitful part of the "campaigns" wiki
> >project. There is a question of compatibility of the "global" discussions,
> >though. "Western" v.s "non-western", "cultural imperialism" etc.
> >
> >
> >But I think the most important issues are truly international, and 
> >increasingly
> >so, like  welfare, environmental problems/looming disaster, monetary policy 
> >and
> >trade, and many of the solutions to our common problems. Perhaps even basic
> >human rights ....
> >
> >So, in conclusion, if the "campaigns" wiki is split across countries, I 
> >think
> >we also need a "domain" set apart for the global and perhaps domains for
> >regions/parts of hemispheres or "cultures".
> >
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Morten Lange
> >
> >P.S.
> >I´m new here. Hope I have not misunderstood the project. The announcement 
> >was
> >quite open-ended.
> >
> >
> > > Erik Moeller <eloquence at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   This is an interesting project, and I hope it will be successful
> > > (though it's not quite clear to me yet what it's trying to be
> > > successful at ;-). Certainly Jimmy has demonstrated that he has a
> > > powerful social network at his disposal. He just needs to post on his
> > > blog and he'll have a flash mob showing up for tea! ;-)
> > >
> > > Right now the frontpage and content is very US-centric, which is not
> > > surprising given the way the news about the site has propagated. I
> > > wonder whether any thought has been put into whether and how to
> > > internationalize the project yet. In Wikipedia, the project is split
> > > across languages -- it seems to me that something like this might be
> > > best split across countries, such as:
> > >
> > > campaigns.de.wikia.com => Germany
> > > campaigns.fr.wikia.com => France
> > >
> > > Of course, many countries have multiple official languages, so you might 
> >need
> > >
> > > campaigns.ca-fr.wikia.com => Canada, French
> > > campaigns.ca-en.wikia.com => Canada, English
> > >
> > > The URLs tend to get a bit awful - if the project grows, perhaps it
> > > should get its own domain name. Does this approach seem sensible
> > > otherwise? If so, it might be good to have a page where people can
> > > sign up if they are interested in a campaigns wiki(a) for a particular
> > > country/region.
> > >
> > > Erik
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Elena
> > >
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> >Message: 8
> >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:57:26 -0400
> >From: "George Murray" <george.murray at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] Some Thoughts
> >To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> >Message-ID:
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> >I think my ideas are too far out of the wiki format/philosophy. I am kind 
> >of
> >out of touch I guess. Anyway, goodluck. :)
> >
> >On 7/6/06, Bob <dogclem at shentel.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mr. Wales, You can call me Josey. and I'm with you chief.
> > >
> > > First thing seems to me should happen, the political operative types
> > > should
> > > hit the big web/blog sites pushing the story.
> > >
> > > Nice if we could have a central committe and division of labor, though.
> > >
> > > >From personal experience, it's time consuming to take an internet 
> >story,
> > > work it hard, and get it to end up above the fold on Olbermann.
> > >
> > > Take Care,
> > >
> > > Josey
> > >
> > >
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