[Campaigns-l] Top 25 Censored Stories of 2006

[Stephen Abbott]

Seeking political renewal and offering solutions about how we can do it from
a grassroots perspective is (I thought) what we were supposed to be doing
here on this list, and more importantly, on the Wiki.

Ranting about how Bush is a dictator who wants to start a nuclear war to
hold onto power and listing all the stories the government is "suppressing"
is leftist nonsense that has no place in that discussion, AND nor does
right-wing nonsense, for that matter.

We're trying to get AWAY from all the shouting, ranting and hysterical
conspiracy theories, not invite it all to become part of the wiki.

If constructive discussion that leaves extremist politics at the door is
"dry" give me dry all day long.

Stephen A.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Slije" <slije at comcast.net>
To: <campaigns-l at wikia.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] Top 25 Censored Stories of 2006


> On Thu July 13 2006 10:56am, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> > Lord Voldemort wrote:
> > > On 7/13/06, Slije <slije at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> From the Project Censored, the Top 25 Censored Stories of 2006...
> > >
> > > This is not what the mailing list is for. Please do not spam us with
> > > this type of stuff. Thank you. --LV
> >
> > Just to echo this, but in a softer tone, I think it really is quite
> > important that this list not be used for general political discussion,
> > but rather stay focussed on meta-discussion of how to build our project,
> > what the project's goals should be, how to achieve those goals, etc.
> >
> > We have over 600 people on the mailing list, and to keep it valuable for
> > that many people, we need to keep the volume down...
> >
> > Also, I want to push as much conversation as possible onto the wiki,
> > where it can form a foundational knowledgebase for those who will come
> > after us.  (Wiki communities start small and get big, and it is helpful
> > that whatever discussions we have, and consensus we reach, be done on
> > the wiki whenever possible.)
> >
> > --Jimbo
>
> If that is the case, I think I have misunderstood the purpose of this
mailing
> list.  You may want to make that more clear in the sign-up section.  I
will
> add that I think you're trying to talk about project development in a
vacuum,
> isolated from the real-life political issues that should define its shape,
> and that's why you have little of substance developing, aside from the
usual
> political insider's club.
>
> IMO it is much more effective to start with real-life, current political
> issues and let the discussion of how to address them using a new form of
> politics (and wiki) flow from there.  Keep the discussions on-topic, but
not
> isolated from the real world.  At the very least, I think more of it
should
> be tolerated.
>
> A little too dry and dusty for my purposes.  I'll put the rest of my What
> Is "Politics"? piece on my user page for those who are interested (part 3
> will be up later today).  Thanks for clarifying.
>
> Slije
>