[Campaigns-l] Enemies of Democracy

Fri Nov 10 22:05:13 UTC 2006

1. Ok.  With these questions I can see that.  Previous posts have been too
subtle.
2. Wiki is a word meaning 'fast'.  Wikipedia as a brand does have a strong
presence on the Internet.  Because the Wikia company leaders came out of the
Wikimedia Foundation, it was able to claim some of the branding.  It's up to
the content of each wikia site to become useful to the community that they
are trying to reach.
3. Jennifer has been active on the 'ki, and busy on her own website.  She is
known by the admins of the site.  You were not, Rev. King, and some of your
emails have been extremely partisan and offensive to people.  I cannot
identify any edits that you have made on the wiki itself, only posts made to
this mailing list.  We dealt with things accordingly.  Your emails over the
past few weeks have been just fine, and I've personally made sure that they
all get through.  It's good to work with you.
4. Wikia as a company owns the infrastructure that we are using.  Jimmy
Wales and Angela Beesley are the top names in that company.  It's a
privately held company, and they make the rules.  The qualifications needed
for this mailing list are an email address and a willingness to avoid
whenever possible being offensive to other members of the list.  It also
helps to be willing to "forgive us our tresspasses" on that ideal, and give
people a chance to redeem themselves.  You have.  On the wiki itself, anyone
with a wikia account can sign statements, and anyone with a computer and
browser can make changes.  Without due cause, meaning a history of
vandalism, we do not block people with accounts from posting.  IP addresses,
meaning people who are not willing to stand up for what they believe by
putting their name on it, are blocked quickly and permanently after
vandalism.
5. I was one of the first people to volunteer to help develop the wiki.  I
was nominated by a Wikia staff member to get the ability to grant others
admin status, and Jimmy Wales has stated that he considers me the 'lead
admin' of the Campaigns.wikia.com website.  Jimmy Wales owns controlling
interest in Wikia.  It's his company.
6. I live in Washington.  Waldsen lives in Chile.  Jfingers lives in
Pennsylvania.  The wiki is open for anyone to come and add, but we are all
volunteers, meaning we are not getting paid to make sure that every single
race, candidate, or election is on the site.  If something is missing from
the Florida pages, it means that nobody from Florida came to the site to add
that content.  If we approach the 2008 election and one of the top level
candidates for US President is not represented "fairly" on the site, it
means that nobody from that campaign came to our site to fill in the
blanks.  If 90% of the people who come to make edits are liberal, and the
door is open for conservatives to match their efforts, who is to
blame?  Those who silence themselves by not participating like everyone
else.  Issues will be "silenced" on this mailing list because issues do not
belong here.  They do belong on the wiki.  Put your perspectives and
background information there.  That's what it is for.
7. An introduction email about where someone stands and a general
description of what their contributions will be to the website is probably
appropriate, although if all 800 of us did that in all of our various
languages I think we would have chaos on our hands.  But repeating point
after point on any particular issue is something that must be done ON THE
WIKI, and not on this list.

Further questions about the development of the wiki are welcome on this
mailing list.  Issues are not.

See you on the 'ki.

Chad

On 11/10/06, CH Rob J King <kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com>
wrote:
>
> Okay, stated more bluntly--i.e. putting "theory" into "concrete practice"
> for those who have difficulty making the final conclusion of a rational
> argument.
>
> 1) The structure of this "system" is what I am raising questions about.
> 2) Specifically, just because this "system" is on the internet, has a
> well-known "brand-name" of Wki in front of it,* who* specifically creates,
> moderates, etc. this forum?
> 3) My original query was why a *partisan e-mail (made by Jennifer)* that
> exhorted "unity" by bracketing out issues such as abortion was left
> unchallenged, and when I did so in a polite way (please see original
> e-mail), the mass of liberals on the net attacked me.
> 4) What are the qualifications (academic, vocational, governmental) of
> those who construct this forum???  I am also a part of conservative lists
> and so more is known, and such lists do not claim to be non-partisan.
> 5) The final "connecting of the dots" (please see Foucault article) is
> concerning the power dynamics of this forum.  Chad, are you democratically
> elected to serve in this position?  If so, when was the election?  Chad, if
> not elected, by whom were you appointed, and with what credentials does this
> person or persons utilize to make such appointment? (good ole liberal boys
> network)
> 6) I am fighting this battle (and will spread the word about
> Wiki-Campaign's highly partisan nature, while claiming a supposed
> objectivity) because the name "Wiki" implies a certain level of credibility
> due to the Wikipedia online encyclopedia, a credibility that Wiki-campaigns
> has yet to demonstrate (e.g. the Florida elections had no information on
> any of the candidates, such as the Governor's race, just a week or so prior
> to the November 7th elections, *thus not even being about political
> campaigns!!!*).
> 7) Concerning the ethical implications of technology, Foucault (himself a
> liberal secularist!) is an excellent reading for liberals, who wrongly
> demonize their opposition while over-looking their own hypocrisy and efforts
> to silence their opposition by denying due process.  By seeking to
> monopolize this on-line forum for a liberal agenda (while claiming it is for
> technological reasons), you are becoming a mirror image of the
> utopian-minded Bolsheviks who were assured of their own innate goodness,
> while nonetheless denying due process to viewpoints other than their own.
> For example, a partisan issue of "establishing a technological political
> party" was raised just this week, yet NO ONE CALLS FOR THEIR "SILENCING."
> If a Christian voices a concern (any concern), we are "subject to
> moderation."  Okay, let's at least be honest (Chad & you liberals out
> there!).  A political party is recommended (not a technological or
> structural issue), and this is allowed, but voicing any opposition to
> abortion being removed by the "unity movement" is itself considered an
> internet crime???  Go read *Animal Farm* (the book, that is!) and see how
> you are becoming nothing but a bunch of Bolsheviks . . .
>
> Rob J. King, American Patriot
>
>
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>
> *CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)*
>
> *Chaplain, AR-MEDCOM*
>
> Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon University-Online
> Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix & Tampa Bay
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>
> *Ministry E-Mail: *kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com
>
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>
> *"I will bless those who bless you . . . and in you all the families of
> the earth shall be blessed."  --Genesis 12:3*
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:57:51 -0800
> From: chadlupkes at gmail.com
> To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] Enemies of Democracy
>
> Again, and again, and again.  The issue is not positions on these
> issues.  The issue is not partisanship.  The issue is not scholarship or
> anti-scholarship.
>
> The issue is that this mailing list, campaigns-l at wikia.com, is for *the
> discussion of the development of the infrastructure* represented by
> campaigns.wikia.com to engage, educate and empower everyone on this list
> and around the wikisphere to add content, debate the issues, provide quotes
> and context from historical figures like Foucault, Burke, Paine, etc.  ON
> THE WIKI.  As shown by recent history, if we try and debate who is right and
> who is wrong on the issues, it causes fights and make enemies.  Let's leave
> that off this list and put it where it belongs.  ON THE WIKI.
>
> Why is that so hard to grasp?
>
> Chad
>
> On 11/10/06, CH Rob J King <kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a previous e-mail posted to this list (a scholarly contribution to
> the
> > dialogue rooted in the thought of post-modern secular philosopher Michel
> > Foucault) I, like Foucault, questioned the will to power and abuses of
> due
> > process by those who wield power in Western, Post-Enlightenment
> European/N.
> > American societies.
> >
> >
> >
> > For the most part, this essay went unacknowledged, or attacked with
> blanket
> > condemnation without actually engaging the argument itself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Neo-classical responded favorably and exhorted others to spend more time
> > actually reading such scholarship.  Thank you.  With a BA from the #10
> > ranked liberal arts college in the USA (Davidson), two master's degrees
> from
> > the #4 ranked university (Duke) and 3 years of PhD studies in ethics
> from
> > the #18 ranked university (Notre Dame), it is refreshing to know that at
>
> > least someone using the internet has not just sold his/her soul to
> marketing
> > gurus, but actually tries to engage scholarship at its highest level.
> >
> >
> >
> > While noting neo-classical's favorable response, sadly, however, the
> abuse
> > of democratic process that I have noticed in this forum (i.e. trying to
> bar
> > positions that one disagrees with), could also be seen in the recent
> > elections.  On 7 November 2006, I served as the Clerk of Elections for
> > Precinct 285 in Pinellas County (Pinellas Park, FL, not too far from the
> > Terri Shiavo state-enforced death by starvation of a handi-capped woman
> > happened).
> >
> >
> >
> > During the day's Electoral proceedings, Democrats and Republicans worked
>
> > together, and were all duly committed to ensuring due process within the
> > elections.  All went smoothly, with the exception of one lady, a
> > governmental employee who wanted the "rules to be bent" just because she
>
> > worked for the government.  Finally, after arguing publicly in front of
> the
> > entire electoral staff, she stormed out of the building.
> >
> >
> >
> > Therefore, similar to the 2000 Presidential Elections in which lawyers
> were
> > seeking to overturn the duly appointed democratic results of the
> Election,
> > so also was this a case of some people thinking that they are somehow
> "above
> > the law" just because they work for the government.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is not a liberal issue, nor is it a conservative issue.  For
> example,
> > one fellow Republican poll worker wanted to openly discuss the need for
> > Christian Government, a position that I agree with, but one in which I
> > remained silent so as to uphold the non-partisan nature of the
> proceedings
> > (assuming of course that Republicans hold a larger demographic base
> among
> > the Christians of America).
> >
> >
> >
> > My hope and prayer is that the ones who have been "appointed" to this
> > on-line (non-regulated) forum will at least strive to uphold the
> principles
> > of democracy of the nation and nations that they claim fidelity to.  My
> > fear, however, is that this forum is quickly becoming nothing more than
> a
> > pawn of the most liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Rob J King, citizen of the Republic of the United States of America
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)
> >
> >
> > Chaplain, AR-MEDCOM
> >
> >
> > Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon
> University-Online
> > Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix & Tampa Bay
> > Ministry Home Page:
> > http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx
> >
> >
> > Ministry E-Mail: kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "I will bless those who bless you . . . and in you all the families of
> the
> > earth shall be blessed."  --Genesis 12:3
> >
> >
> >
> >
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