[Campaigns-l] Too many votes?

[Chad Lupkes]

Again, I don't disagree.  The policy debates are a tremendous waste of
time and effort.  However, they are currently the ONLY thing happening
on the site.  None of the recently adopted policies put major
limitations on what content can go onto the site.  We have some people
like Lou who want to take advantage of the "letter of the law".  We're
dealing with that nonsense.  We have some other people like Iasson who
seem to want every single detail spelled out on how we do things.  I
think this will pass.

The initial policies we came up with are pretty bare bones, on
purpose.  We didn't want them to go into too much detail, in order not
to become too much of a distraction.

The only way to change that is to stop generating new policy ideas,
and actually get people to build content.  I don't think that's going
to happen for the 2006 US elections.  We're too close, and hopefully
most people are on the streets trying to support their candidates and
causes.  I do that from my computer mostly, which is why I volunteered
for this.

The best way to solve the "policy debate distraction" problem is to
put it aside.  Let's start looking at 2007 and 2008, and put something
together that means something.

Chad

On 10/14/06, Brian Reilly <allthecoolnameshavegone at gmail.com> wrote:
> There shouldn't be lasting decisions on policy in a site this small. And
> voting is not the only way to make a decision. I'm concerned we are goign to
> be stuck with policies that came through because of a couple of votes, and
> will be hard to get rid of when they become obsolete.
>
>
> On 10/11/06, Chad Lupkes <chadlupkes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Without a doubt.  It's taking up way too much time, and it's driving
> > people away.
> >
> > So, which of us on this list or of the people active on the wiki site
> > shall impose our view of how things should be run on everyone else?
> > Which of us shall be the boss over all content decisions?  I'm not
> > willing to do that.  I'm not willing to be "the boss".  And I would
> > hope that none of us want to.
> >
> > What I'm trying to say is that this is how groups organize themselves.
> > We make decisions about rules of conduct, we discuss them and debate
> > them, and then we vote on those decisions.  We have not established a
> > list of people who can present ideas, we've opened it up to everyone.
> > So we've had a lot of ideas.
> >
> > Why this is preventing us from building the site in other ways, I
> > don't know.  I'm doing everything I have time to do.  I think that's a
> > question of promotion more than anything else.
> >
> > Chad
> >
> > On 10/11/06, Brian Reilly
> <allthecoolnameshavegone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There seems to be a lot of voting on policies on Campaigns Wikia at the
> > > moment. I have taken part in them all, but now I am wondering if it's
> such a
> > > good idea.
> > >
> > > First of all, this is still a small group. Around 7 people vote on a
> > > subject. Is counting "yes" or "no" votes the best way to resolve
> disputes?
> > > Surely with the numbers getting involved in policy debates, more
> dialogue is
> > > a better idea.
> > >
> > > Secondly, these are early days. Do we want policies which have been
> decided
> > > on by a tiny group of people (sometimes 2 or 3 votes approving of a
> policy
> > > can be all it takes to get it passed) to direct this community? Yes,
> they
> > > can be changed later (more voting!) but do we need to be setting them
> quite
> > > yet?
> > >
> > > Mopst people on this list aren't participating in these votes, why? Is
> it
> > > because you feel much the same way as I do? Are there too many votes on
> the
> > > wiki at the moment?
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