[Campaigns-l] political discussion list policy?

Thu Oct 19 20:47:03 UTC 2006

Luis

  Then perhaps you should have the same attitude toward Chad who wrote for all to see:

  "I'll tell you why.  Because the Catholic Church teaches that we will
pay for our sins in some future eternity, and that any suffering that
we have to endure in this life is insignificant.  The same mentality
teaches radical Muslims that their reward in a future life will be
beyond their imagination if they create suffering for their enemies in
this life.

It's a lie.  It's a tool used to encourage the domination of the many
under the hand of the few.  It's a justification used to force people
to tolerate the intolerable, to allow the inexcusable and to
accomplish the unthinkable."

  I joined this list for the reasons you write of.  I didn't join to have my religion denigrated by having someone call it a 'lie'.  A tool used to encourage domination.  That's extremely offensive and it may be part of the reason why people choose to leave the list.

  Can you recognize that?

  As far a abortion, I'm a middle of the roader, so to speak.  But I would never denigrate another's religion for its basic principles about the worthiness of human life.

  Why not call on Chad to apologize for saying certain religions are a lie?

Luis Villa <luis at tieguy.org> wrote:
  On 10/19/06, Luis Villa wrote:
> 
>
> (1) This is a private list; you have no free speech rights on it. Your
> emails are no different than if I walked into your church with a very
> loud boombox during your sermon and started blaring, say, white noise,
> or something equally distracting and non-offensive. Would you respect
> my 'right to free speech' then? No. You'd have me and my boombox
> escorted from the building so you could continue your sermon. And
> you'd have every right to.
>
> (2) You and your flock would consider it *rude* that I interrupted
> your sermon with something completely offtopic and unrelated, I
> assume. My mother taught me that it was *rude* to interrupt others who
> were discussing something unrelated without their permission. I assume
> your mother did the same. So please accept my contention that your
> interruption is rude and unwelcome, and honor our mothers by taking
> the discussion elsewhere.
>
> (3) Your emails do not further the goals of this list. The purpose of
> this list is *not* political; it is *not* to advance specific
> political, religious, or moral goals. The purpose is to discuss the
> use of a wiki to further the publication of useful information so that
> voters can help decide how to vote. Your discussion is perfectly valid
> to have about specific candidates on the wiki, and in the abstract
> ('how can our wiki cope with people who have specific, unarguable
> religious views') a discussion about your positions might be
> interesting. But the specifics- 'I have these religious views, I'm
> going to try to persuade you of them' are not of interest to most of
> the people on this list, nor do they further our goals here.
>
> So I ask you, politely, to stop posting these types of emails here.
> Chad has already graciously offered you another forum (his blog) to
> continue your discussion with him; you could continue it there, or if
> you have specific candidates whose positions on abortion you disagree
> with, you could discuss it in their pages in the wiki. But please
> don't put it on this list, where we're trying to do something
> constructive and positive which would be derailed by having to repeat
> a discussion which thirty years of discussion has not resolved, and
> which will not be resolved or even significantly influenced here.

And if you need any proof of this, you'll note that people are
beginning to unsubscribe from the list, people who (presumably) were
interested in helping us move the campaign wiki forward at one time.
Congrats on driving people off from our shared, cross-party,
cross-political divide, cross-national goals.

Luis

> On 10/19/06, CH Rob J King wrote:
> >
> >
> > Why do you think that an entire generation of Evangelical youth and young
> > adults wear stickers over their mouth that read "Silence" and then stand in
> > front of the U.S. Capitol Building. There are those Americans who value
> > free speech, and those who seek to limit or deny it when challenged. Now I
> > know that freedom of speech no longer exists in America . . . The original
> > thread spoke of seeking common ground, and this is what I am seeking, one
> > such common ground being the U.S. Constitution, something that "spam
> > blockers" seek to oppose . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)
> > Chaplain, 345th, AR-MEDCOM
> > Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon University-Online
> > Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix
> > http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx
> > kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "Luis Villa" 
> > Reply-To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> > To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> > Subject: [Campaigns-l] political discussion list policy?
> > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:07:53 -0400
> >
> > >I have no idea if this list has moderators who can block users, but
> > >can we make it a list policy that users who argue politics on this
> > >list (as opposed to argue how to represent politics in the campaigns
> > >wiki) be asked to take it elsewhere, and if they ignore that request
> > >repeatedly, they be moderated in the future?
> > >
> > >Thanks-
> > >Luis (dealing with enough off-topic spam as it is already)
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