[Campaigns-l] political discussion list policy?

Thu Oct 19 20:56:27 UTC 2006

Chad did not threaten to report me to the President, so I addressed my
comments to Mr. King. But I agree, Chad's comments, where they are
political and discuss the politics of abortion (as opposed to
campaign-wiki's mechanisms for coping with difficult issues like
abortions) are equally off-topic and should be equally subject to
moderation and exclusion from this list.

Luis

On 10/19/06, Jonathan Trenn <jonathan_trenn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Luis
>
> Then perhaps you should have the same attitude toward Chad who wrote for all
> to see:
>
> "I'll tell you why.  Because the Catholic Church teaches that we will
> pay for our sins in some future eternity, and that any suffering that
> we have to endure in this life is insignificant.  The same mentality
> teaches radical Muslims that their reward in a future life will be
> beyond their imagination if they create suffering for their enemies in
> this life.
>
> It's a lie.  It's a tool used to encourage the domination of the many
> under the hand of the few.  It's a justification used to force people
> to tolerate the intolerable, to allow the inexcusable and to
> accomplish the unthinkable."
>
> I joined this list for the reasons you write of.  I didn't join to have my
> religion denigrated by having someone call it a 'lie'.  A tool used to
> encourage domination.  That's extremely offensive and it may be part of the
> reason why people choose to leave the list.
>
> Can you recognize that?
>
> As far a abortion, I'm a middle of the roader, so to speak.  But I would
> never denigrate another's religion for its basic principles about the
> worthiness of human life.
>
> Why not call on Chad to apologize for saying certain religions are a lie?
>
>
> Luis Villa <luis at tieguy.org> wrote:
> On 10/19/06, Luis Villa wrote:
> >
> >
> > (1) This is a private list; you have no free speech rights on it. Your
> > emails are no different than if I walked into your church with a very
> > loud boombox during your sermon and started blaring, say, white noise,
> > or something equally distracting and non-offensive. Would you respect
> > my 'right to free speech' then? No. You'd have me and my boombox
> > escorted from the building so you could continue your sermon. And
> > you'd have every right to.
> >
> > (2) You and your flock would consider it *rude* that I interrupted
> > your sermon with something completely offtopic and unrelated, I
> > assume. My mother taught me that it was *rude* to interrupt others who
> > were discussing something unrelated without their permission. I assume
> > your mother did the same. So please accept my contention that your
> > interruption is rude and unwelcome, and honor our mothers by taking
> > the discussion elsewhere.
> >
> > (3) Your emails do not further the goals of this list. The purpose of
> > this list is *not* political; it is *not* to advance specific
> > political, religious, or moral goals. The purpose is to discuss the
> > use of a wiki to further the publication of useful information so that
> > voters can help decide how to vote. Your discussion is perfectly valid
> > to have about specific candidates on the wiki, and in the abstract
> > ('how can our wiki cope with people who have specific, unarguable
> > religious views') a discussion about your positions might be
> > interesting. But the specifics- 'I have these religious views, I'm
> > going to try to persuade you of them' are not of interest to most of
> > the people on this list, nor do they further our goals here.
> >
> > So I ask you, politely, to stop posting these types of emails here.
> > Chad has already graciously offered you another forum (his blog) to
> > continue your discussion with him; you could continue it there, or if
> > you have specific candidates whose positions on abortion you disagree
> > with, you could discuss it in their pages in the wiki. But please
> > don't put it on this list, where we're trying to do something
> > constructive and positive which would be derailed by having to repeat
> > a discussion which thirty years of discussion has not resolved, and
> > which will not be resolved or even significantly influenced here.
>
> And if you need any proof of this, you'll note that people are
> beginning to unsubscribe from the list, people who (presumably) were
> interested in helping us move the campaign wiki forward at one time.
> Congrats on driving people off from our shared, cross-party,
> cross-political divide, cross-national goals.
>
> Luis
>
> > On 10/19/06, CH Rob J King wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do you think that an entire generation of Evangelical youth and
> young
> > > adults wear stickers over their mouth that read "Silence" and then stand
> in
> > > front of the U.S. Capitol Building. There are those Americans who value
> > > free speech, and those who seek to limit or deny it when challenged. Now
> I
> > > know that freedom of speech no longer exists in America . . . The
> original
> > > thread spoke of seeking common ground, and this is what I am seeking,
> one
> > > such common ground being the U.S. Constitution, something that "spam
> > > blockers" seek to oppose . . .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)
> > > Chaplain, 345th, AR-MEDCOM
> > > Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon University-Online
> > > Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix
> > > http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx
> > > kuriosiesuschristos at abidinglifephoenix.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "Luis Villa"
> > > Reply-To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> > > To: campaigns-l at wikia.com
> > > Subject: [Campaigns-l] political discussion list policy?
> > > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:07:53 -0400
> > >
> > > >I have no idea if this list has moderators who can block users, but
> > > >can we make it a list policy that users who argue politics on this
> > > >list (as opposed to argue how to represent politics in the campaigns
> > > >wiki) be asked to take it elsewhere, and if they ignore that request
> > > >repeatedly, they be moderated in the future?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks-
> > > >Luis (dealing with enough off-topic spam as it is already)
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