<html><div style='background-color:'><P>Luis, Okay . . . I really do not know how to respond. I get these Wiki Campaign e-mails on a daily basis, most of which do not pertain to me, even while working formally with a Presidential Exploratory Committee (Mark Klein, MD), but when I saw "common ground" as a theme, I chimed in, but wished to challenge the de facto exclusion of abortion as a political issue.</P>
<P>Blessings,</P>
<P>Rob J. King<BR><BR></P><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)</DIV>
<DIV>Chaplain, 345th, AR-MEDCOM</DIV>
<DIV>Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon University-Online <BR>Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix <BR><A href="http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx">http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:kuriosiesuschristos@abidinglifephoenix.com">kuriosiesuschristos@abidinglifephoenix.com</A><BR> <BR></DIV>
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From: <I>"Luis Villa" <luis@tieguy.org></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>campaigns-l@wikia.com</I><BR>To: <I>campaigns-l@wikia.com</I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [Campaigns-l] political discussion list policy?</I><BR>Date: <I>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:37:59 -0400</I><BR>><sigh><BR>><BR>>(1) This is a private list; you have no free speech rights on it. <BR>>Your<BR>>emails are no different than if I walked into your church with a <BR>>very<BR>>loud boombox during your sermon and started blaring, say, white <BR>>noise,<BR>>or something equally distracting and non-offensive. Would you <BR>>respect<BR>>my 'right to free speech' then? No. You'd have me and my boombox<BR>>escorted from the building so you could continue your sermon. And<BR>>you'd have every right to.<BR>><BR>>(2) You and your flock would consider it *rude* that I interrupted<BR>>your sermon
with something completely offtopic and unrelated, I<BR>>assume. My mother taught me that it was *rude* to interrupt others <BR>>who<BR>>were discussing something unrelated without their permission. I <BR>>assume<BR>>your mother did the same. So please accept my contention that your<BR>>interruption is rude and unwelcome, and honor our mothers by taking<BR>>the discussion elsewhere.<BR>><BR>>(3) Your emails do not further the goals of this list. The purpose <BR>>of<BR>>this list is *not* political; it is *not* to advance specific<BR>>political, religious, or moral goals. The purpose is to discuss the<BR>>use of a wiki to further the publication of useful information so <BR>>that<BR>>voters can help decide how to vote. Your discussion is perfectly <BR>>valid<BR>>to have about specific candidates on the wiki, and in the
abstract<BR>>('how can our wiki cope with people who have specific, unarguable<BR>>religious views') a discussion about your positions might be<BR>>interesting. But the specifics- 'I have these religious views, I'm<BR>>going to try to persuade you of them' are not of interest to most of<BR>>the people on this list, nor do they further our goals here.<BR>><BR>>So I ask you, politely, to stop posting these types of emails here.<BR>>Chad has already graciously offered you another forum (his blog) to<BR>>continue your discussion with him; you could continue it there, or <BR>>if<BR>>you have specific candidates whose positions on abortion you <BR>>disagree<BR>>with, you could discuss it in their pages in the wiki. But please<BR>>don't put it on this list, where we're trying to do something<BR>>constructive and positive which would be derailed by
having to <BR>>repeat<BR>>a discussion which thirty years of discussion has not resolved, and<BR>>which will not be resolved or even significantly influenced here.<BR>><BR>>Luis<BR>><BR>>On 10/19/06, CH Rob J King <BR>><kuriosiesuschristos@abidinglifephoenix.com> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Why do you think that an entire generation of Evangelical youth and <BR>>>young<BR>>>adults wear stickers over their mouth that read "Silence" and then <BR>>>stand in<BR>>>front of the U.S. Capitol Building. There are those Americans who <BR>>>value<BR>>>free speech, and those who seek to limit or deny it when <BR>>>challenged. Now I<BR>>>know that freedom of speech no longer exists in America . . . The <BR>>>original<BR>>>thread spoke of seeking common ground, and this is what I am
<BR>>>seeking, one<BR>>>such common ground being the U.S. Constitution, something that <BR>>>"spam<BR>>>blockers" seek to oppose . . .<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)<BR>>>Chaplain, 345th, AR-MEDCOM<BR>>>Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon <BR>>>University-Online<BR>>>Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix<BR>>>http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx<BR>>>kuriosiesuschristos@abidinglifephoenix.com<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ________________________________<BR>>> From: "Luis Villa" <luis@tieguy.org><BR>>>Reply-To: campaigns-l@wikia.com<BR>>>To: campaigns-l@wikia.com<BR>>>Subject: [Campaigns-l] political discussion list policy?<BR>>>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:07:53
-0400<BR>>><BR>>> >I have no idea if this list has moderators who can block users, <BR>>>but<BR>>> >can we make it a list policy that users who argue politics on <BR>>>this<BR>>> >list (as opposed to argue how to represent politics in the <BR>>>campaigns<BR>>> >wiki) be asked to take it elsewhere, and if they ignore that <BR>>>request<BR>>> >repeatedly, they be moderated in the future?<BR>>> ><BR>>> >Thanks-<BR>>> >Luis (dealing with enough off-topic spam as it is already)<BR>>> >_______________________________________________<BR>>> >Campaigns-l mailing list<BR>>> >Campaigns-l@wikia.com<BR>>> >http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/campaigns-l<BR>>><BR>>>_______________________________________________<BR>>>Campaigns-l mailing
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