From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Mon Jun  1 01:12:03 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin-P)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:12:03 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Fw: Fraternal greetings from an administrator of the
	Genealogy Wikia
Message-ID: <001b01c9e255$f96f7aa0$0201a8c0@home>

(Something in here is sure to be of value)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Eugene Mednikov 
To: Robin-P 
Cc: Vladislav Novikov 
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Fraternal greetings from an administrator of the Genealogy Wikia


Greetings, Robin!

We glad to hear from you!

Exchanging ideas is nice. I've got some inspiration from your site already. We mainly use custom special pages for GUI and SMW as back-end. I assume you mostly use existing extensions and want to switch to Semantic Forms for data input. We've used SF before and still haven't transferred everything to special pages, so we may be able to help you with SF integration.

We're doing massive redesign right now, so soon you'll be able to see much more interesting stuff. We're adding social network features, events, organizations and timelines.

As a small correction I advise you to use tree links in form:
http://www.jewage.org/wiki/en/Special:GTreeViewer/Adam_%28_%29
instead of
http://www.jewage.org/wiki/en/Special:GTreeViewer/Profile:Adam_%28_%29


Respectfully yours, Eugene Mednikov

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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Robin-P <Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz> wrote:

  Hallo!
  I found your site while looking for sites that use
  Semantic MediaWiki. We are clearly in the same
  field and might benefit from sharing ideas.

  I've added half a dozen links to your site and
  expect to add several more.

  We started SMW less than a month ago. Not sure if
  it has reached "Alpha" yet! You say you have
  reached only that stage, but it looks pretty good
  to me (apart from the Main Page).

  Your SMW specialist could get an idea of how far
  we have progressed by keeping an eye on the
  "Notes" page of our SMW developer:
  http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/User:Phlox/2009_05_notes

  Kind regards

  [Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson,
  88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026,
  New Zealand
  Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
  http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
  And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free
  cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy
  introduction to it at
  http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki.




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From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Thu Jun  4 01:42:52 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin-P)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:42:52 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Fw: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic Sitemaps
Message-ID: <01e901c9e4b5$c692e920$0201a8c0@home>


[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, 
88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026, New Zealand
Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy introduction to it at http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Sergey Chernyshev 
To: SMW user list ; SMW developer list 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic Sitemaps


Guys,

As patch for imported vocabularies from Li Ding worked fine and RDF export now functions properly, I finally published semantic sitemaps for my projects - you can and example here: http://www.techpresentations.org/semantic-sitemap.xml

What it does - it allow Semantic Crawlers like Sindice to use static dump instead of crawling your wiki's Special:ExportRDF pages.

See more info on Semantic Sitemaps here: http://sw.deri.org/2007/07/sitemapextension/

Thank you,

        Sergey


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From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Mon Jun  8 17:05:07 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin-P)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 05:05:07 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Fw: [Semediawiki-user] Filter for browsing
Message-ID: <036201c9e85b$46cbd040$0201a8c0@home>

This any use to anyone?

[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson,
88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026,
New Zealand
Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free
cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy
introduction to it at
http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <zehetner at molgen.mpg.de>
To: "Krabina Bernhard" <krabina at kdz.or.at>
Cc: <semediawiki-user at lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Filter for
browsing


> Hi,
>
> as Yaron said in his reply the number of
organisations would be hold in an
> additional property.
>
> If it isn't done while entering the
organisations via the form, it should be
> possible to include a 'count_organisations'
template on each project page end
> that template could contain something like
>
> [[no_orgs::{{#sask:
pagename={{FULLPAGENAME}}|?Organisations|return=co
unt}}| ]]
>
> (would also work if any organisation properties
are added or deleted outside the
> form or (with nary parameter) if organisation is
a multi-value property)
> and than that property can be used in an ask
query to select those projects with
> more than x organisations.
>
> Cheers,
> Gu
>
> Quoting Krabina Bernhard <krabina at kdz.or.at>:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > this is a question related to Semantic
Drilldown, SemanticQueryFormTool
> > and/or Semantic Forms.
> >
> > I have a page about projects. The project
partners are listed using Semantic
> > Forms filling the property "Organisation" that
can hold many entries (all
> > project partners of a project).
> >
> > Now I'd like to have a browsing interface,
where I can set a filter: show all
> > projects with the "Topic=somehing" and the
number of "Organisations" greater
> > than 5. I think Semantic Drilldown does not
give me that.
> >
> > SQFT can look for pages with the property
"Organisation" and display how many
> > there are.
> >
> > As I have understood it, this cannot be done
at the moment?
> >
> > Would it be possible to add a hidden field in
Semantic Forms that holds the
> > number of organisations as a property
(calculated by SQFT". Probably not, as
> > the number of values in the property is only
known after saving the page one
> > time?
> >
> > Is there a solution to this other than letting
the user input 5 names of
> > organisations separated by comma and after
that "5" in another field called
> > "number of organisations"?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bernhard
> >
> >
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From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Tue Jun  9 05:15:43 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin-P)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:15:43 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Family of Hermann Billung (?-973) -
	http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Hermann_Billung_(%3F-973)
References: <E1MDYy7-0001k6-Kq@mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net>
Message-ID: <038e01c9e8c1$574f0b60$0201a8c0@home>

One of Familypedia's main contributors has asked
me to post this query for the expert adjudication
that I said this group was good for.

"Can someone please check Europaisch Stammtafeln
Bund I tafel 10.

"It is quoted on the net as saying that Billung of
Saxony Count of Saxony (-967) married Alda, a
Frank. I suspect that Ermengarde de Nantes (900-?)
is a later forgery.
"Thurstan 05:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC) "

On my talk page he expanded a little:

"It seems there is a mismatch between the English
and the French versions of Wikipedia about his
ancestry. I noticed you mentioned taking questions
to the medieval genealogy newsgroup for
arbitration. Since I don't do newsgroups, would
you please take the question to them? In
particular, are Billung IV von Sachsen (900-967)
and Ermengarde de Nantes (900-?) (descendant of
Charlemagne) reliably attested? Did he really have
a brother Wichmann Billung (916-967)?"


[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson,
88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026,
New Zealand
Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free
cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy
introduction to it at
http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki.


From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Sun Jun 14 10:40:52 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin-P)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:40:52 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Wikia's genealogy site is really progressing
References: <036201c9e85b$46cbd040$0201a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <059701c9ecdc$98622960$0201a8c0@home>

If you've not been reading the site forums in
recent days, please look at the bottom couple of
screenfuls of
http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:SMW

Person-page data entry with forms is now possible.
Easier than info pages, and it brings many (and
eventually most) of the advantages of Semantic
MediaWiki, including Search and probably
Drilldown.

[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson,
88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026,
New Zealand
Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free
cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy
introduction to it at
http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki.


From wmwillis at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 14 13:32:38 2009
From: wmwillis at earthlink.net (Bill)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:32:38 -0400
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Wikia's genealogy site is really progressing
In-Reply-To: <059701c9ecdc$98622960$0201a8c0@home>
References: <036201c9e85b$46cbd040$0201a8c0@home>
	<059701c9ecdc$98622960$0201a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <CEE71E87-160D-4357-91C2-2F2144DE99D7@earthlink.net>

Hi Dallan

I presume you are on the Genelaogy Wiki mailing list so probably  
received the following message from Robin.

Phlox has added a forms capability to the Wiki, similar to what's on  
other genealogy wiki's.  Still no effective GedCom import capability,  
but I suspect that's to come.
As you pointed out once upon a time, developing such a program is not  
exactly a walk in the park.

However, what's potentially of interest in what they've added now is  
the Semantic Wiki idea.  I'm not sure this is a big deal, though  
Phlox and Robin seem to think it is.
Am I missing something?

Bill


On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Robin-P wrote:

> If you've not been reading the site forums in
> recent days, please look at the bottom couple of
> screenfuls of
> http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:SMW
>
> Person-page data entry with forms is now possible.
> Easier than info pages, and it brings many (and
> eventually most) of the advantages of Semantic
> MediaWiki, including Search and probably
> Drilldown.
>
> [Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson,
> 88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026,
> New Zealand
> Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
> http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
> And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free
> cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy
> introduction to it at
> http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Genealogy-l mailing list
> Genealogy-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/genealogy-l


From wmwillis at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 14 13:35:20 2009
From: wmwillis at earthlink.net (Bill)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:35:20 -0400
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Wikia's genealogy site is really progressing
In-Reply-To: <CEE71E87-160D-4357-91C2-2F2144DE99D7@earthlink.net>
References: <036201c9e85b$46cbd040$0201a8c0@home>
	<059701c9ecdc$98622960$0201a8c0@home>
	<CEE71E87-160D-4357-91C2-2F2144DE99D7@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C15CA819-1179-4903-8C5F-199D04FBFF86@earthlink.net>

Well, I certainly screwed that up.
That message was intended to go privately to Dallan.

My apologizes if anyone was offended.

Bill
On Jun 14, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bill wrote:

> Hi Dallan
>
> I presume you are on the Genelaogy Wiki mailing list so probably
> received the following message from Robin.
>
> Phlox has added a forms capability to the Wiki, similar to what's on
> other genealogy wiki's.  Still no effective GedCom import capability,
> but I suspect that's to come.
> As you pointed out once upon a time, developing such a program is not
> exactly a walk in the park.
>
> However, what's potentially of interest in what they've added now is
> the Semantic Wiki idea.  I'm not sure this is a big deal, though
> Phlox and Robin seem to think it is.
> Am I missing something?
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Robin-P wrote:
>
>> If you've not been reading the site forums in
>> recent days, please look at the bottom couple of
>> screenfuls of
>> http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:SMW
>>
>> Person-page data entry with forms is now possible.
>> Easier than info pages, and it brings many (and
>> eventually most) of the advantages of Semantic
>> MediaWiki, including Search and probably
>> Drilldown.
>>
>> [Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson,
>> 88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026,
>> New Zealand
>> Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
>> http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
>> And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free
>> cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy
>> introduction to it at
>> http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Genealogy-l mailing list
>> Genealogy-l at wikia.com
>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/genealogy-l
>
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From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Mon Jun 15 16:24:34 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin Patterson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:24:34 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Fw: [Wikia-l] ShowHide - FYI
Message-ID: <062901c9edd5$c530daa0$0201a8c0@home>


[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, 
88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026, New Zealand
Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy introduction to it at http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: George Pribul (Kirkburn) 
To: Central Wikia Mailing List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] ShowHide


If I am reading correctly, this is an update for the JS shown on http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Dynamic_navigation ?

If it supports all the original functionality and is as good as you make it sound, it sounds like it could be a great recommendation for our users. :)

-------------------------------------
George Pribul (Kirkburn)
Associate Product Manager,
Wikia Inc.



2009/6/15 Daniel Friesen <lists at danielfriesen.name>

  Just thought I'd let everyone know I rewrote the ShowHide (Wikipedia's
  collapsible tables and NavFrame code) to make use of jQuery which Wikia
  is now using.

  The resulting code is around 100 lines shorter than the WP code
  (basically half the size), supports the "collapsed" class in BOTH
  collapsible tables and NavFrame (The code being circulated around Wikia
  doesn't seam to support individual pre-collapsed NavFrames), works with
  whatever elements you want it to (NavFrame can work on things other than
  just divs), and loads quickly unlike the original WP code (jQuery's
  ready event is more reliable than MediaWiki's built in addOnloadHook
  which sometimes can actually end up being called considerably late in
  comparison; I tested using MW's onload and jQuery's onload on separate
  types of show/hide and jQuery fired considerably earlier than the MW
  code which fired quite late after the page was already loaded).

  The code is available on the dev wiki and can be easily included into
  any wiki using the short snippet: |importScriptPage('ShowHide/code.js',
  'dev');|
  http://dev.wikia.com/wiki/ShowHide

  --
  ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

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From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Sat Jun 20 06:28:43 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin-P)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:28:43 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Fw: [Semediawiki-user] External Data version 0.7:
	access to databasesand LDAP servers
Message-ID: <006601c9f170$5c631bc0$0201a8c0@home>

FYI

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Yaron Koren 
To: Semantic MediaWiki Users 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:25 AM
Subject: [Semediawiki-user] External Data version 0.7: access to databasesand LDAP servers


Hi everyone,

A new version of External Data, 0.7, has been released: I usually don't announce new releases on this list, but this is a major one, since External Data now supports retrieving data from two new sources: relational database, and LDAP servers. This excellent new functionality was contributed by David Macdonald.

This new access is handled by the new #get_db_data and #get_ldap_data functions, which can read from database tables and LDAP servers provided you've pre-configured them in LocalSettings.php; you can then display them in the same way as data retrieved from APIs. (Of course, there are privacy risks associated with both of these, and they should really only be enabled by people who know what they're doing.)

You can see more information here:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:External_Data

-Yaron



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From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Sat Jun 20 16:44:55 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin-P)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:44:55 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Fw: [Semediawiki-user] Disputed Birth Dates
Message-ID: <008601c9f1c6$7105e480$0201a8c0@home>



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Skelly 
To: semediawiki-user at lists.sourceforge.net 
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 2:25 AM
Subject: [Semediawiki-user] Disputed Birth Dates


I'm working on a local history-genealogy project. Some of the people have disputed, yet unresolved, birth dates. (Such as Francis Hopkinson a signer of the U.S. Declaration of Independence.) Some of these are supported by sources that are considered credible such as a contemporaneous diary of a mid-wife vs. a contemporaneous family bible entry, there are also numerous instances of repeating the disputed birth dates in otherwise reliable secondary sources such as grave markers and newspapers. 

This is a pattern that applies to many other situations (such as date of moving from one location to another, attendance at schools, titles or appointments, etc.) These  dates and other attributes are highly significant and are likely basis for future queries. 

Any suggestions as to how to handle this?

(If this request should be directed to another group or service, please feel free to forward it.)

Thanks in advance for any help.

Michael Skelly
Bordentown Heritage







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From Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz  Mon Jun 22 01:16:07 2009
From: Robin-P at slingshot.co.nz (Robin-P)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:16:07 +1200
Subject: [Genealogy-l] Fw: [Semediawiki-user] Disputed Birth Dates -
	Discrepancy Charts
Message-ID: <012a01c9f2d7$0605bea0$0201a8c0@home>

FYI


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Skelly 
To: semediawiki-user at lists.sourceforge.net 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 5:24 AM
Subject: [Semediawiki-user] Disputed Birth Dates - Discrepancy Charts


Thanks for various replies, they are helping. Please keep sending ideas.

This is such a common situation there is a method used in history and genealogy research called "Discrepancy Charts". A brief article at http://genealogy.com/37_neill.html titled "Organize the Inconclusive with Discrepancy Charts" gives a brief explanation and tabular chart form that may be useful to SMW community when addressing this frequent pattern.

Best regards,
Michael Skelly





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