[Search-l] Privacy and sharing browsing data (Seth Ford)

[MJE Sales, LLC]

Only problem with that it seems is that the services they recomend
there - none of them still exist - at least I can't find them... The
last post on this site was in March 2007.  Is this thing even still
around?



Matt Ellsworth
MJE Sales, LLC


On 8/3/07, jer <jeremie at jabber.org> wrote:
> Definitely check out the Attention Trust, these folks are on the
> right track and I hope that we can become one of the opt-in Attention
> Services who's goal is to source/weight items for a crawler (with a
> public crawl output).
>
>         http://www.attentiontrust.org/
>
> Jer
>
> On Aug 3, 2007, at 10:20 AM, MJE Sales, LLC wrote:
>
> > This is my first reply to something so If I screwed it up - I'm sorry.
> >
> > I like the idea of having something run in the browser that would know
> > what urls to spider based on our browsing history.  Lots of people use
> > the google toolbar, alexa tool bar or compete toolbars - all of which
> > send to the server what website or websites you are at and everything
> > else.
> >
> > A little firefox button that simply logged the urls - or the domains
> > and sent it anonymously to the server - would be a great way of
> > developing an index that had sites that you knew people were actually
> > visiting.
> >
> >
> > If you are looking at hindering spam - there has to be some sort of AI
> > component or a human element.  Why not create a stumbleupon type thing
> > where sites are flagged as spam or not spam.  to reduce the load on
> > all the servers it could send 10, 25, or 50 urls at a time.  But then
> > again I guess each persons definition of spam is a little different.
> > We run several large domains with 100,000's of pages, so our approach
> > is a tad different.
> >
> >
> >
> > Have a Great Day!
> >
> > Life is what you make of it!
> >
> > Matt Ellsworth
> > MJE Sales, LLC
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> >
> > "The richest people in the world look for and build networks, everyone
> > else looks for work." ~ Robert Kiyosaki
> >
> > RE:  Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:35:19 -0600
> > From: "Seth Ford" <seth.ford at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Search-l] Privacy and sharing browsing data
> > To: "Jimmy Wales" <jwales at wikia.com>
> > Cc: search-l at wikia.com
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Thats why I think it has to be a mash-up. You have to allow people
> > to look
> > to the community first and then look to the crawl, be it tab based or
> > inline. It's seems people are more interested in participating once
> > the
> > trust they can find the data they are looking for and then given
> > encouragement to participate it organize it in a more reasonable
> > fashion. I
> > have sent out some of the implementation I have done along these lines
> > internally where I work. It does seem like it comes down to a
> > matter of
> > trust, internally it's much easier to do a community powered search
> > engine
> > built of a wiki mashed by a crawl. Externally how do you hinder
> > spam and
> > gaming and foster the sense of identity? Maybe it's a /. like
> > implementation
> > or simply wikipedia is as good as it gets...?
> > Seth
> >
> > On 7/28/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> (This was about faroo.com )
> >>
> >> jer wrote:
> >>> Yeah, noticed them too, completely not open source...
> >>
> >> Yup!  But doing this:
> >>
> >>>> "When an user opens a page with the browser, it will be
> >>>> automatically
> >>>> inserted into the distributed index of the p2p network.  The
> >>>> additional network load and the site submission of a traditional
> >>>> crawler is omitted. Assuming a wide spread of FAROO this enables an
> >>>> almost complete index, updated in real time."
> >>
> >> Seems pretty easy to do with a simple firefox extension.
> >>
> >> The difficult bit is thinking about user privacy and stopping
> >> spam.  Let
> >> me explain what I mean:
> >>
> >> When we have a public way for people to submit, tag, and rate urls
> >> there
> >> are no particular difficult issues with privacy because when you
> >> submit
> >> something, you are doing it publicly and if you want privacy,
> >> you'd best
> >> use a pseudonym to login... just like with any wiki.  Anyone who is
> >> inserting junk into the index will be quickly detected and blocked or
> >> rated as a spammer, and there you go.
> >>
> >> But simply browsing the web is a different matter.  I would not be
> >> happy
> >> with having my click stream of what I am surfing made public --
> >> even if
> >> I was using a pseudonym.  There are simply too many ways to guess
> >> who I
> >> am from my click stream.
> >>
> >> And yet, if no one can see my click stream, then I might just be a
> >> spammer merrily trolling around on my own spamtastic crap site.
> >>
> >> I think there are some clever solutions to this possible.  One
> >> would be
> >> that my browsing history would never be made public BUT if urls
> >> that I
> >> have submitted made it into the index, and people subsequently
> >> mark them
> >> as spam, then this fact shows up publicly in the form of a number:
> >> "This
> >> user has submitted X urls which were subsequently judged by the
> >> community to be spam."  This could be said without revealing what
> >> they
> >> were.
> >>
> >> That is just the first thought of how to go about it.
> >>
> >> I am eager to think about way that we can encourage passive
> >> participation by GOOD people who simply believe in our mission, would
> >> like to give us good data on real browsing patterns, but who rightly
> >> value their privacy, while at the same time preventing spammers from
> >> wasting too much of our time.
> >>
> >> --Jimbo
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