[Search-l] Warning - Rant

[Wikinews Markie]

Well its nice to get a reply and im in a better mood today.  However if you
say that grub is working why wasnt there an announcement so i could start
running grub again and not give up like some others may have.

Cheers

Mark

On 8/13/07, jer <jeremie at jabber.org> wrote:
>
> > Right im afraid this is going to be a rant today.  I'm feeling in
> > that mood.  Firstly though i would like to say that i support this
> > project and want to help but theres a few things that have been
> > brought up on this list over the last few days and more that i
> > don't think are on.
>
> Mark, you need to work on ranting harder, this is just a few
> justified complaints when I was getting ready for a big rant and
> donning my flame suit!
>
> > My first major groan is Grub.
>
> In it's current state it makes me groan as well :)
>
> > This was announced the press and there was a press release about it
> > all and more media hype for the project which is fine and good and
> > shows that the project is moving on.  However what i do this was
> > weird is that it was all announced, many people went to the grub
> > site to download it and help, except you couldn't download it and
> > make it work.  What makes it worse is that it STILL doesnt work and
> > there doesnt seem to have been much work done except for some of
> > the files being copied to the SWLabs server.  This is not good as
> > many people have now been put off as when they try to help they
> > can't, projects cr*p, so they go elsewhere.  Overall not good.
>
> Oddly, it is mostly working, but the stats are fubar'd.  There's lots
> being crawled, I know since it keeps filling up the disks on
> grub.org, *grin*.  The problem currently seems to be the server isn't
> storing/receiving the authentication token from the client when it
> posts results, so the stats just don't get tracked.  It's probably
> trivial, but I'm new to the codebase, and even with Igor and Kord's
> help, it's still baffling them as well.
>
> There's a larger issue though (touching on in the next thread)...
>
> > This leads me onto my next point.  Many people have flagged up that
> > Wikia seems to be wanting us to make them a profit.  Now i
> > personally don't mind helping out with the project - its kinda fun
> > and exciting but if were going to make you a profit the least you
> > could do would be to help out somehow.  Even answering posts or
> > FIXING GRUB is a minor thing but it all helps.  I dont really mind
> > if things are going on in the background and would be happy if they
> > were but PLEASE give us some indication that somethings going on
> > otherwise i (and many others) will think that nothings happening.
>
> They are, just so many factors to juggle and not enough status info
> is getting squeezed out in the right places.  It was an older
> codebase that was designed around SOAP (which I can't stand), had to
> get it running in only a few days, has a lot of framework for
> modularization that looks more like obfuscation when trying to grok
> it quickly, needs a lot of re-packaging... I won't keep complaining,
> but if anyone wants an hour-by-hour status update just add me to your
> IM and bug me, I'm jer at jabber.org :)
>
> >   Jimbo in a recent post said (something along the lines off) "I
> > want to get the social side set up as soon as".  Well a long time
> > since then has passed and have we got any further , don't think so.
>
> My time-scale is years, and I wish I could make things happen in just
> a couple weeks but I'm kinda slow, good things take considerable time
> and patience IMO.
>
> > Many people have also flagged up the fact that the project is built
> > on hope.  Yes i suppose there is a certain degree of hope at the
> > beginning but i personally think that this has been going on too
> > long.  I think that Wikia need to pull there finger out and as John
> > McCormac put it (i think sorry if im wrong) need to get some hard
> > data.  This to me means fixing Grub so we can start crawling and
> > get this project moving.  Overall it seems to me that its all talk
> > and hype and no actual progress.
>
> There's a stated goal of having some semi-functional stuff to test/
> play with by the end of the year.  I'll be starting another thread
> today as promised about one of those functions and it's relation to
> Grub.  That's the larger issue, Grub needs to do something valuable
> besides just crawling.
>
> > Think that's it for the minute and I'm sorry that its come to this
> > but its all been slowly growing.  If people feel the same way or
> > feel totally different then please comment.
>
> It's all quite understandable feelings, the goals here are immense,
> and equally will be the confusion and frustration at times :)
>
> Jer
>
>
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