[Search-l] Browser Test

[Mark (Markie)]

more intext comments :-)

mark

On Feb 11, 2008 10:51 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:

> Markus Petz wrote:
> > At 10.02.2008 20:11, Balinny wrote:
> >> There're two logins, one accesible from
> >> http://alpha.search.wikia.com/login/login.html which logins you into
> the
> >> search itself, and the social part (friends, actions...) and another
> one
> >> at http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Userlogin which allows you to
> >> log into the search wiki. Both use the same password, but you need to
> >> log in twice. Yes, it's awkwards.
> >> I summarised yesterday the bugs to fix, and sure enough that's one to
> >> clean out: http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Known_bugs#Unified_login
> >
> > A quick fix (within minutes) would be to make the links more
> descriptive,
> > "Log in to search" and "Log in to wiki". Though i can not see the
> > difference. I guess i don't use this social part at all and therefoer
> > haven't seen it yet.
>
> Hmm, both links are supposed to log you into both, without trouble at
> all.  The key is a .wikia.com cookie.


this hasn't happened ever i dont think (at least for me) so this would be a
really nice fix :-)


>
>
> >>> - The search page (including results page) should work as simple as
> >>> possible, and in no case rely on javascript or cookies etc. to work.
> Plain
> >>> standard HTML is enough for displaying text and links.
> >>>
> >> I agree with you but i see it unlikely.
> >> http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Known_bugs#Search_page_needs_Javascript
> >
> > That's like dumping the whole idea. The world desperately needs a free
> > search engine alternative. With a search engine, what has to work in
> 100%
> > of the cases (not only 99%) is the search page. If it doesn't work
> people
> > will not use it and they will spread the word. HTML (text and links)
> just
> > works relyably, JS doesn't. Compare to http://google.com - one of the
> most
> > simple webpages ever (left away the ads), yet the most successful one.
> > Works without script (though it contains some). Compare that webpage to
> the
> > wikia search page. Look at it with graphics off - the "search button" is
> > image only - no alt text, no form button if i have graphics off. Lots of
> > menu that has nothing to do with search and a lengthy wiki article
> (which i
> > expect to be removed after the site is established).
>
> While I do agree that ideally the search should work without javascript,
> I would have to say that given that for 99.9% of all people who attempt
> it, it works fine, this seems of low priority to me to fix.  I don't
> think it is "dumping the whole idea".
>
> Having said that, I would be very supportive of changing it so that it
> degrades more gracefully.  (i.e. for people without javascript, it could
> simply lose some functionality instead of not working at all).


totally agree, the .js stuff makes wikia different (which is nice) and also
really coll.  but i do totally agree that it needs to degrade nicely (more
nicer?? :-p)


>
>
> > If i could give advice, i'd say, remove all the unnecessary stuff from
> the
> > search page, skin, graphics, and especially the JavaScript. Without it
> > you're not responsible anymore for what each browser shows or not. Neat
> > layout can better be done with CSS. I don't say, make it like Google, i
> > say, make it the better Google!
>
> I do agree with removing unnecessary stuff, but for now, the Javascript
> is pretty necessary as I understand the situation.


keep js keep js :-) :-)

my thoughts though :-)

regards

mark


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