From beesley at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 15:29:26 2008
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 02:29:26 +1100
Subject: [Search-l] Automated Invite Notice E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <605cd35e0712262215l5ababaf5r92f5ade519ac5ab5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <605cd35e0712262215l5ababaf5r92f5ade519ac5ab5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800801020729u767966cdq8f1a4cf0e972608d@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 27, 2007 5:15 PM, Jon Ursenbach <lorderunion at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there anyway someone there at Wikia can have the mailing list
> automatically send out a notice e-mail to new subscribers that this is not
> the place to request invites to Wikia Search, but to e-mail Jimmy?

Sorry for the delay - I'll add that now.

Angela


From natanael.l at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 21:28:42 2008
From: natanael.l at gmail.com (Natanael)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:28:42 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Search-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <41dbfd970712300032h15d017ffl5ddcb16d6c70c8ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8d35e3b0712272316o2113aa77jd43c45282a8544d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<b7c66c690712290955j54f23e44p577d7d82cb6e9514@mail.gmail.com>
	<41dbfd970712300032h15d017ffl5ddcb16d6c70c8ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7c66c690801021328s478b931wc8b6df502d9dd725@mail.gmail.com>

It's probably just shown together because I'm using Gmail, then.

On Dec 30, 2007 9:32 AM, Thomas Suckow <tsuckow at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's set to send to the mailing list if you hit reply. You have to
> type/copy his address manually
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 9:55 AM, Natanael <natanael.l at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Jimmys email adress forwards everything  to the mailing list anyway, as
> far
> > as I know.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2007 8:16 AM, Hate Spam <hate.spam304 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > I realize that this message is almost as bad as the invite spam
> itself,
> > but this is getting ridiculous. Do NOT reply to the damn list. Send a
> > message straight to Jimmy. It's not that hard.
> > >
> > > As an incentive to NOT spam the list, the next person who DOES spam
> the
> > list with a "I wantz invite reqist, lolxxorz!!!11!!" message is getting
> > signed up for every animal fetish mailing  list I can find. I know, it's
> not
> > nearly harsh enough, but nothing is perfect.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Search-l mailing list
> > > Search-l at wikia.com
> > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
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> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If everybody are thinking alike, then somebody aren't thinking.
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> --
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From natanael.l at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 21:30:25 2008
From: natanael.l at gmail.com (Natanael)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:30:25 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Invites
In-Reply-To: <47791E70.7040501@wikia.com>
References: <41dbfd970712270750t3c110b81n2a627a56ae18f6da@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231080114.GS26420@lenin>
	<605cd35e0712310753o36819b36l114841aa78682daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47791E70.7040501@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <b7c66c690801021330r5bf02018pb6fe6cab00663e73@mail.gmail.com>

I really hope so... :D
I really would like to test this thing as soon as possible. I love beta
testing!

On Dec 31, 2007 5:53 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:

>
> I am sending out a few invites each day, and we are responding rapidly
> to feedback.  The pace of invites will accelerate in the next few days. :)
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From camden at jaunter.com  Thu Jan  3 00:52:55 2008
From: camden at jaunter.com (Camden Daily)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:52:55 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] Spell Checking
Message-ID: <86664ec20801021652gb45bdb4p2b8f6871fad9a524@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all, my name's Camden Daily, and I'm new to the list.  I was wondering
if the wikia project has any plans to create a 'Did you mean' type of spell
checker, and if so, an API to make use of it.

I have spent a couple of years now trying to find a commercial, high volume
spell checker like the ones provided by the (now defunct) Google SOAP API,
or Microsoft or Yahoo's limited, non commercial APIs.  I have an application
that provides this spell checking ability to library web catalogs, and they
require good recommendations for proper nouns like book titles and names of
authors.

If no one is currently working on this, I'd like to help out a bit.  I've
been working on the side trying to use the n-gram spell checker built into
the Lucene project with a dictionary built from the XML for
en.wikipedia.org(minus the talk).  I'm hoping that it can provide me
with a reasonable
alternative for my specific project, but I would be interested in any other
work in this area.

Thanks,
Camden Daily
www.jaunter.com
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From thomas at schaafs.net  Thu Jan  3 01:08:32 2008
From: thomas at schaafs.net (Thomas Schaaf)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 02:08:32 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
In-Reply-To: <mailman.106690.1199322000.23935.search-l@wikia.com>
References: <mailman.106690.1199322000.23935.search-l@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <002401c84da5$2be241d0$83a6c570$@net>

I would love an Invite to.

Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),

Thomas



From ntalarico at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 02:06:42 2008
From: ntalarico at gmail.com (Nicholas Talarico)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:06:42 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
In-Reply-To: <002401c84da5$2be241d0$83a6c570$@net>
References: <mailman.106690.1199322000.23935.search-l@wikia.com>
	<002401c84da5$2be241d0$83a6c570$@net>
Message-ID: <e1ef09240801021806xe5f6aa6k3da68172d64e24c1@mail.gmail.com>

I would also like an invite.  Thank you!



On 1/2/08, Thomas Schaaf <thomas at schaafs.net> wrote:
>
> I would love an Invite to.
>
> Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),
>
> Thomas
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 02:57:34 2008
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:57:34 +1100
Subject: [Search-l] Spell Checking
In-Reply-To: <86664ec20801021652gb45bdb4p2b8f6871fad9a524@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86664ec20801021652gb45bdb4p2b8f6871fad9a524@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800801021857h40cfcbc8x8b688d0a827e1ebc@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 3, 2008 11:52 AM, Camden Daily <camden at jaunter.com> wrote:
> Hello all, my name's Camden Daily, and I'm new to the list.  I was wondering
> if the wikia project has any plans to create a 'Did you mean' type of spell
> checker, and if so, an API to make use of it.

I've not heard about anyone here working on that so far, but it would
be extremely useful. It's one thing that I really miss when using
MediaWiki's internal search. Do you have an account on
http://swlabs.org/ yet?

Angela.


From gregor.urech at zeix.com  Thu Jan  3 03:07:35 2008
From: gregor.urech at zeix.com (gregor.urech at zeix.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:07:35 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Gregor Urech ist in den Ferien.
Message-ID: <OF81A5EC95.A88FB348-ONC12573C5.00112C63-C12573C5.00112C6B@zeix.com>


I will be out of the office starting  27.12.2007 and will not return until
07.01.2008.

Your mail will not be forwarded.
In urgent cases please contact Angie Born: angie.born at zeix.com.



From agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 04:44:03 2008
From: agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com (prakhar agrawal)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:14:03 +0530
Subject: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
In-Reply-To: <002401c84da5$2be241d0$83a6c570$@net>
References: <mailman.106690.1199322000.23935.search-l@wikia.com>
	<002401c84da5$2be241d0$83a6c570$@net>
Message-ID: <d80cfd5d0801022044g186f75f1t40165e4f8630696c@mail.gmail.com>

hi,
i would also love to have an invite sent to agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com
thanks,
Prakhar

On Jan 3, 2008 6:38 AM, Thomas Schaaf <thomas at schaafs.net> wrote:

> I would love an Invite to.
>
> Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),
>
> Thomas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Search-l mailing list
> Search-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
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From charles at thewybles.com  Thu Jan  3 04:56:00 2008
From: charles at thewybles.com (charles at thewybles.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:56:00 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
In-Reply-To: <d80cfd5d0801022044g186f75f1t40165e4f8630696c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.106690.1199322000.23935.search-l@wikia.com><002401c84da5$2be241d0$83a6c570$@net><d80cfd5d0801022044g186f75f1t40165e4f8630696c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1920131764-1199336240-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1144742915-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Guess I should add my hat to the ring before all the invites get used. :) 

Please send an invite to charles at thewybles.com


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "prakhar agrawal" <agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:14:03 
To:"Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available


hi, 
i would also love to have an invite sent to agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com <mailto:agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com> 
thanks, 
Prakhar

 
On Jan 3, 2008 6:38 AM, Thomas Schaaf <thomas at schaafs.net <mailto:thomas at schaafs.net> > wrote:
 I would love an Invite to.

Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),

 Thomas

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From fred.benenson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 04:59:22 2008
From: fred.benenson at gmail.com (Fred Benenson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:59:22 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
In-Reply-To: <1920131764-1199336240-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1144742915-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <mailman.106690.1199322000.23935.search-l@wikia.com>
	<002401c84da5$2be241d0$83a6c570$@net>
	<d80cfd5d0801022044g186f75f1t40165e4f8630696c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1920131764-1199336240-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1144742915-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <8e447b720801022059s3d49361ci469d2e77c23d940d@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to be that guy again, and this is nothing personal -- but invites need
to be sent to Jimmy directly. His e-mail is

"Jimmy Wales" <jwales at wikia.com>

Please do not use this list to request invites -- there are other
discussions going on here and plenty of people who don't want any more "me
too" e-mails.

Thanks,

Fred





On Jan 2, 2008 8:56 PM, <charles at thewybles.com> wrote:

> Guess I should add my hat to the ring before all the invites get used. :)
>
> Please send an invite to charles at thewybles.com
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "prakhar agrawal" <agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:14:03
> To:"Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
>
>
> hi,
> i would also love to have an invite sent to agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com<mailto:
> agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com>
> thanks,
> Prakhar
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 6:38 AM, Thomas Schaaf <thomas at schaafs.net <mailto:
> thomas at schaafs.net> > wrote:
>  I would love an Invite to.
>
> Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),
>
>  Thomas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Search-l mailing list
> Search-l at wikia.com <mailto:Search-l at wikia.com>
>
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l <
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l>
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From kanzure at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 05:04:25 2008
From: kanzure at gmail.com (Bryan Bishop)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:04:25 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
In-Reply-To: <8e447b720801022059s3d49361ci469d2e77c23d940d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.106690.1199322000.23935.search-l@wikia.com>
	<1920131764-1199336240-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1144742915-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<8e447b720801022059s3d49361ci469d2e77c23d940d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200801022304.25040.kanzure@gmail.com>

Fred,

I am afraid that I must be out of the loop. What are all of these invite 
requests about?

- Bryan


From fred.benenson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 05:04:35 2008
From: fred.benenson at gmail.com (Fred Benenson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:04:35 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
In-Reply-To: <200801022304.25040.kanzure@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.106690.1199322000.23935.search-l@wikia.com>
	<1920131764-1199336240-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1144742915-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<8e447b720801022059s3d49361ci469d2e77c23d940d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200801022304.25040.kanzure@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e447b720801022104u5e0a061eraf28eb6c129ab7fe@mail.gmail.com>

Please see Jimmy's original post here:

http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/2007-December/000845.html

...where he asks people to contact him directly for invitations to the alpha
of the Search Wikia site.

Best,

Fred

On Jan 2, 2008 9:04 PM, Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fred,
>
> I am afraid that I must be out of the loop. What are all of these invite
> requests about?
>
> - Bryan
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From jpfulton314 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  3 05:11:00 2008
From: jpfulton314 at hotmail.com (Joe Fulton)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:11:00 -0700
Subject: [Search-l] Alpha Invite
Message-ID: <BLU126-DAV745E3C5D1C7820CC0A255E9530@phx.gbl>

Please add me to the list.

 

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From natanael.l at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 09:51:00 2008
From: natanael.l at gmail.com (Natanael)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:51:00 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Alpha Invite
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-DAV745E3C5D1C7820CC0A255E9530@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU126-DAV745E3C5D1C7820CC0A255E9530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b7c66c690801030151m31d21498i81facaaf70cb9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Now I'm quoting somebody else:

"invites need to be sent to Jimmy directly. His e-mail is
"Jimmy Wales" <jwales at wikia.com >

Please do not use this list to request invites -- there are other
discussions going on here and plenty of people who don't want any more "me
too" e-mails."

On Jan 3, 2008 6:11 AM, Joe Fulton <jpfulton314 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Please add me to the list.
>
>
>
> Joe Fulton
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 10:57:26 2008
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:57:26 +1100
Subject: [Search-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia launched
In-Reply-To: <128182a90712241950v45dbb281y1fcb10ce30a065bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128182a90712241950v45dbb281y1fcb10ce30a065bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800801030257h607e513cqc55893382cbf87e7@mail.gmail.com>

This isn't related to Wikia, but is an interesting new search project
that might spark some ideas for Wikia Search.

http://www.seariki.com

Angela


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: J.H. Huang <jinh.huang at gmail.com>
Date: Dec 25, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia launched
To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org


Hi folks,
We have just launched a new Wikipedia-based search engine -
http://www.seariki.com

The idea is to combine searching and browsing effectively. For example, we
find paths from a category to top categories, and hopefully this makes
navigating through category hierarchy easier.
At this time, only English and Chinese are supported, but we are working on
indexing more languages.

Any comments will be appreciated.

Thanks and happy holiday.
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From jmcc at hackwatch.com  Thu Jan  3 12:09:53 2008
From: jmcc at hackwatch.com (John McCormac)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:09:53 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia
	launched
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800801030257h607e513cqc55893382cbf87e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128182a90712241950v45dbb281y1fcb10ce30a065bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800801030257h607e513cqc55893382cbf87e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <477CD091.9010509@hackwatch.com>

Angela wrote:
> This isn't related to Wikia, but is an interesting new search project
> that might spark some ideas for Wikia Search.

Isn't Wikia Search a general search engine rather than just a Wikipedia 
search engine that limits its index to Wikipedia? Could Wikia Search 
just provide a 'pages from' function to limit pages from a specific domain?

Regards...jmcc
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Ireland        *  Irish Domain Stats & Market Research
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From mjesales at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 15:30:11 2008
From: mjesales at gmail.com (MJE Sales, LLC)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:30:11 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] Local Crawling and client stability?
Message-ID: <4de9d4950801030730x40243e6cr2c350179818beb99@mail.gmail.com>

I'm psyched about the upcoming release - thats pretty cool!

Any plans on updating the local crawling feature so that our accounts
show something other than "your grub.txt file should contain the
following number: 0"
I have a number of sites that I would like to include in this.

Also - the client seems to stop working after an average of 1.5 hours
of use when left alone on a windows 2000 machine.  Any idea on how to
fix this.  If you leave it running but not open, then the number of
icons in the system tray can increase to about 20 while you are gone.
But if you leave it open it will prevent multiple instances.  I've
posted before on the wiki page but no one responds.


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else looks for work." ~ Robert Kiyosaki


From jmcc at hackwatch.com  Thu Jan  3 15:35:39 2008
From: jmcc at hackwatch.com (John McCormac)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:35:39 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
Message-ID: <477D00CB.1010909@hackwatch.com>

What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?

Regards...jmcc
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******************************************************


From sethf at sethf.com  Thu Jan  3 15:45:14 2008
From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:45:14 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
In-Reply-To: <477D00CB.1010909@hackwatch.com>
References: <477D00CB.1010909@hackwatch.com>
Message-ID: <20080103154514.GA16775@sethf.com>

On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
> What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?

	Hmm ... looks like this is it:

"Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"

 IP: 149.20.54.195 

 Resolves to: www.isc.swlabs.org

  and:

 OrgName:    Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 
 OrgID:      ISC-94
 Address:    950 Charter Street
 City:       Redwood City
 StateProv:  CA
 PostalCode: 94063
 Country:    US

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Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php


From kubes at apache.org  Thu Jan  3 15:56:59 2008
From: kubes at apache.org (Dennis Kubes)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:56:59 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
In-Reply-To: <20080103154514.GA16775@sethf.com>
References: <477D00CB.1010909@hackwatch.com> <20080103154514.GA16775@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <477D05CB.5010205@apache.org>

Yes that is the current bot.

Dennis

Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
>> What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?
> 
> 	Hmm ... looks like this is it:
> 
> "Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"
> 
>  IP: 149.20.54.195 
> 
>  Resolves to: www.isc.swlabs.org
> 
>   and:
> 
>  OrgName:    Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 
>  OrgID:      ISC-94
>  Address:    950 Charter Street
>  City:       Redwood City
>  StateProv:  CA
>  PostalCode: 94063
>  Country:    US
> 


From jmcc at hackwatch.com  Thu Jan  3 16:07:52 2008
From: jmcc at hackwatch.com (John McCormac)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:07:52 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
In-Reply-To: <477D05CB.5010205@apache.org>
References: <477D00CB.1010909@hackwatch.com> <20080103154514.GA16775@sethf.com>
	<477D05CB.5010205@apache.org>
Message-ID: <477D0858.3030004@hackwatch.com>

Dennis Kubes wrote:
> Yes that is the current bot.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
>>
>>>What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?
>>
>>	Hmm ... looks like this is it:
>>
>>"Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"

Brilliant move - use one a UA that is on the blacklist for many sites. I 
think that only Nutch is as equally blacklisted.

Regards...jmcc
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******************************************************


From jwales at wikia.com  Thu Jan  3 16:09:47 2008
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:09:47 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
In-Reply-To: <20080103154514.GA16775@sethf.com>
References: <477D00CB.1010909@hackwatch.com> <20080103154514.GA16775@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <477D08CB.3060308@wikia.com>

We are also crawling using Nutch... not sure what the user agent is for 
that.

Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
>> What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?
> 
> 	Hmm ... looks like this is it:
> 
> "Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"
> 
>  IP: 149.20.54.195 
> 
>  Resolves to: www.isc.swlabs.org
> 
>   and:
> 
>  OrgName:    Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 
>  OrgID:      ISC-94
>  Address:    950 Charter Street
>  City:       Redwood City
>  StateProv:  CA
>  PostalCode: 94063
>  Country:    US
> 



From kubes at apache.org  Thu Jan  3 16:14:11 2008
From: kubes at apache.org (Dennis Kubes)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:14:11 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
In-Reply-To: <477D08CB.3060308@wikia.com>
References: <477D00CB.1010909@hackwatch.com>
	<20080103154514.GA16775@sethf.com> <477D08CB.3060308@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <477D09D3.3020502@apache.org>

That is the current UA we are using for the Nutch crawling.


Jimmy Wales wrote:
> We are also crawling using Nutch... not sure what the user agent is for 
> that.
> 
> Seth Finkelstein wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
>>> What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?
>> 	Hmm ... looks like this is it:
>>
>> "Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"
>>
>>  IP: 149.20.54.195 
>>
>>  Resolves to: www.isc.swlabs.org
>>
>>   and:
>>
>>  OrgName:    Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 
>>  OrgID:      ISC-94
>>  Address:    950 Charter Street
>>  City:       Redwood City
>>  StateProv:  CA
>>  PostalCode: 94063
>>  Country:    US
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jmcc at hackwatch.com  Thu Jan  3 16:25:25 2008
From: jmcc at hackwatch.com (John McCormac)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:25:25 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
In-Reply-To: <477D08CB.3060308@wikia.com>
References: <477D00CB.1010909@hackwatch.com>
	<20080103154514.GA16775@sethf.com> <477D08CB.3060308@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <477D0C75.1030906@hackwatch.com>

Jimmy Wales wrote:
> We are also crawling using Nutch... not sure what the user agent is for 
> that.
It would be best for Search Wikia to have its own unique UA. That way it 
  will not get banned accidentally.

Both Grub and Nutch are common UAs in blacklists. Nutch tends to upset 
some directory owners as any muppet can generally set it up and hammer 
directories. This tends to result in a UA ban and is quickly followed by 
an IP range ban. The Apache mod_rewrite rules generally look for the 
term 'Nutch' in the UA.

Regards...jmcc
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******************************************************


From kanzure at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 16:33:39 2008
From: kanzure at gmail.com (Bryan Bishop)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:33:39 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
Message-ID: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>


Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the 
proliferation of the search model that was designed by the 
Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or 
four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories" 
to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to 
organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all 
through some common, open and standardized protocols for a diversity of 
third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything come of 
this?

- Bryan


From jeremie at jabber.org  Thu Jan  3 16:52:58 2008
From: jeremie at jabber.org (jer)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:52:58 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
In-Reply-To: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
References: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD@jabber.org>

Ahh, I think you mean Atlas, and the atlas-l group?
	http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/atlas-l
	http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Atlas
	
Definitely related, over the next week there will be a number of  
discussions about the initial architecture and long term goals and I  
think you'll see all the parallels :)

Jer

On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote:

>
> Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the
> proliferation of the search model that was designed by the
> Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or
> four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories"
> to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to
> organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all
> through some common, open and standardized protocols for a  
> diversity of
> third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything  
> come of
> this?
>
> - Bryan
> _______________________________________________
> Search-l mailing list
> Search-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
> Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/ 
> options/search-l



From lorderunion at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 16:56:57 2008
From: lorderunion at gmail.com (Jon Ursenbach)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:56:57 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
In-Reply-To: <0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD@jabber.org>
References: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
	<0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <605cd35e0801030856na9a5cbcod52724a7dee34d7c@mail.gmail.com>

Is it just me, or does Atlas sound a lot like Mahalo?


On Jan 3, 2008 8:52 AM, jer <jeremie at jabber.org> wrote:

> Ahh, I think you mean Atlas, and the atlas-l group?
>        http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/atlas-l
>        http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Atlas
>
> Definitely related, over the next week there will be a number of
> discussions about the initial architecture and long term goals and I
> think you'll see all the parallels :)
>
> Jer
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
>
> >
> > Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the
> > proliferation of the search model that was designed by the
> > Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or
> > four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories"
> > to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to
> > organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all
> > through some common, open and standardized protocols for a
> > diversity of
> > third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything
> > come of
> > this?
> >
> > - Bryan
> > _______________________________________________
> > Search-l mailing list
> > Search-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
> > Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/
> > options/search-l
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From aerik at thesylvans.com  Thu Jan  3 17:03:07 2008
From: aerik at thesylvans.com (Aerik Sylvan)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:03:07 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
In-Reply-To: <605cd35e0801030856na9a5cbcod52724a7dee34d7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
	<0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD@jabber.org>
	<605cd35e0801030856na9a5cbcod52724a7dee34d7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <355a36af0801030903wc8acb4w90555407b30ad88b@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 3, 2008 8:56 AM, Jon Ursenbach <lorderunion at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it just me, or does Atlas sound a lot like Mahalo?
>

Huh?  How so?  Atlas is an infrastructure, and Mahalo is basically a
twist on a directory.

Aerik


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From kanzure at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 17:07:35 2008
From: kanzure at gmail.com (Bryan Bishop)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:07:35 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
In-Reply-To: <605cd35e0801030856na9a5cbcod52724a7dee34d7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
	<0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD@jabber.org>
	<605cd35e0801030856na9a5cbcod52724a7dee34d7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200801031107.35779.kanzure@gmail.com>

On Thursday 03 January 2008, Jon Ursenbach wrote:
> Is it just me, or does Atlas sound a lot like Mahalo?

I just tried out Mahalo, which seems a lot like ChaCha without the 
immediate chat capacities. Atlas is an infrastructure or framework.

- Bryan
________________________________________
Bryan Bishop
http://heybryan.org/


From lorderunion at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 17:10:02 2008
From: lorderunion at gmail.com (Jon Ursenbach)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:10:02 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
In-Reply-To: <200801031107.35779.kanzure@gmail.com>
References: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
	<0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD@jabber.org>
	<605cd35e0801030856na9a5cbcod52724a7dee34d7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200801031107.35779.kanzure@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <605cd35e0801030910p3bb88634t755546578d76d59@mail.gmail.com>

My bad. I should have actually read the page instead of looking at pictures.
Guess that's what I get for being sick, haha.


On Jan 3, 2008 9:07 AM, Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday 03 January 2008, Jon Ursenbach wrote:
> > Is it just me, or does Atlas sound a lot like Mahalo?
>
> I just tried out Mahalo, which seems a lot like ChaCha without the
> immediate chat capacities. Atlas is an infrastructure or framework.
>
> - Bryan
> ________________________________________
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From aerik at thesylvans.com  Thu Jan  3 17:11:36 2008
From: aerik at thesylvans.com (Aerik Sylvan)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:11:36 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia
	launched
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800801030257h607e513cqc55893382cbf87e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128182a90712241950v45dbb281y1fcb10ce30a065bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800801030257h607e513cqc55893382cbf87e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <355a36af0801030911p66bf17b8n4ebf6e3f7223d101@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 3, 2008 2:57 AM, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> This isn't related to Wikia, but is an interesting new search project
> that might spark some ideas for Wikia Search.
>
> http://www.seariki.com
>
> Angela
>


That *is* cool.  Nice search interface.  That brings an idea to mind:
if one wanted to quickly build a Mahalo type directory-in-a-search
engine, one could do the same thing, and present the external links
found in Wikipedia.  Perhaps use the article title in some way to
narrow search topics.  Hmm...

Aerik


From ronald at istos.it  Thu Jan  3 17:31:36 2008
From: ronald at istos.it (Ronald Ashri)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:31:36 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
In-Reply-To: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
References: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F94AB4A4-65A2-4A63-BA82-582D9F7E23D9@istos.it>

Artemis sounds very much like a typical agent-based approach to  
problem solving. Individual agents specialise on specific tasks and  
share a common language (protocol) through which to  share results.

The notions of factories (or worker agents), brokers of agent  
capabilities and information, etc have been analysed extensively  
within this community and if I recall correctly there are some  
prototype search systems implemented using such as approach.

I don't know Artemis directly but if this sort of direction is of  
interest for Wikia then I would be happy to put together a little  
summary/bibliography of related agent-based research dealing with  
decentralised search. Might provide inspiration and/or work that can  
directly be inputted in Wikia.

Best,

Ronald

www.istos.it



On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Bryan Bishop wrote:

>
> Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the
> proliferation of the search model that was designed by the
> Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or
> four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories"
> to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to
> organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all
> through some common, open and standardized protocols for a  
> diversity of
> third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything  
> come of
> this?
>
> - Bryan
> _______________________________________________
> Search-l mailing list
> Search-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
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From sethf at sethf.com  Thu Jan  3 17:36:59 2008
From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:36:59 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the atlas-l plans?
In-Reply-To: <0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD@jabber.org>
References: <200801031033.40463.kanzure@gmail.com>
	<0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <20080103173659.GA17913@sethf.com>

Jer, I've had it in my mind to ask you what's the difference between
this architecture and something like model-view-controller patterns.
Maybe this is a topic for atlas-l, when you have the time. Frankly,
I don't get what's supposed to be the innovation here, beyond formalizing
search in something like modeling or design pattern language. But then,
that's not my area of expertise, so I could be missing the insight.

-- 
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Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php

On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:52:58AM -0600, jer wrote:
> Ahh, I think you mean Atlas, and the atlas-l group?
> 	http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/atlas-l
> 	http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Atlas
> 	
> Definitely related, over the next week there will be a number of  
> discussions about the initial architecture and long term goals and I  
> think you'll see all the parallels :)
> 
> Jer
> 
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
> 
> >
> > Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the
> > proliferation of the search model that was designed by the
> > Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or
> > four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories"
> > to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to
> > organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all
> > through some common, open and standardized protocols for a  
> > diversity of
> > third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything  
> > come of
> > this?
> >
> > - Bryan
> > _______________________________________________
> > Search-l mailing list
> > Search-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
> > Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/ 
> > options/search-l


From sfried at delvinia.com  Thu Jan  3 18:07:41 2008
From: sfried at delvinia.com (Simone Fried)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:07:41 -0500
Subject: [Search-l]  private pre-alpha invites available
Message-ID: <200801031807.m03I7j8L000228@delvinia.com>

Hi there,

 

Could you please add me to the pre-alpha list?

 

Thanks much,

 

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From: cheertogether at gmail.com (Matt Di Pasquale)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:42:51 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] Search-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 2
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I would also like an invite.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: private pre-alpha invites available (Thomas Schaaf)
   2. Re: private pre-alpha invites available (Nicholas Talarico)
   3. Re: Spell Checking (Angela)
   4. Gregor Urech ist in den Ferien. (gregor.urech at zeix.com)
   5. Re: private pre-alpha invites available (prakhar agrawal)
   6. Re: private pre-alpha invites available (charles at thewybles.com)
   7. Re: private pre-alpha invites available (Fred Benenson)
   8. Re: private pre-alpha invites available (Bryan Bishop)
   9. Re: private pre-alpha invites available (Fred Benenson)
  10. Alpha Invite (Joe Fulton)
  11. Re: Alpha Invite (Natanael)
  12. Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia launched (Angela)
  13. Re: Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia	launched
      (John McCormac)
  14. Local Crawling and client stability? (MJE Sales, LLC)
  15. User Agent For Search Wikia (John McCormac)
  16. Re: User Agent For Search Wikia (Seth Finkelstein)
  17. Re: User Agent For Search Wikia (Dennis Kubes)
  18. Re: User Agent For Search Wikia (John McCormac)
  19. Re: User Agent For Search Wikia (Jimmy Wales)
  20. Re: User Agent For Search Wikia (Dennis Kubes)
  21. Re: User Agent For Search Wikia (John McCormac)
  22. Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans? (Bryan Bishop)
  23. Re: Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans? (jer)
  24. Re: Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans? (Jon Ursenbach)
  25. Re: Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans? (Aerik Sylvan)
  26. Re: Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans? (Bryan Bishop)
  27. Re: Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans? (Jon Ursenbach)
  28. Re: Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia	launched
      (Aerik Sylvan)
  29. Re: Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans? (Ronald Ashri)
  30. Re: Does anyone remember the atlas-l plans? (Seth Finkelstein)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 02:08:32 +0100
From: "Thomas Schaaf" <thomas at schaafs.net>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
To: <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <002401c84da5$2be241d0$83a6c570$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I would love an Invite to.

Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),

Thomas



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:06:42 -0800
From: "Nicholas Talarico" <ntalarico at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
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I would also like an invite.  Thank you!



On 1/2/08, Thomas Schaaf <thomas at schaafs.net> wrote:
>
> I would love an Invite to.
>
> Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),
>
> Thomas
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:57:34 +1100
From: Angela <beesley at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Spell Checking
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
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On Jan 3, 2008 11:52 AM, Camden Daily <camden at jaunter.com> wrote:
> Hello all, my name's Camden Daily, and I'm new to the list.  I was
wondering
> if the wikia project has any plans to create a 'Did you mean' type of
spell
> checker, and if so, an API to make use of it.

I've not heard about anyone here working on that so far, but it would
be extremely useful. It's one thing that I really miss when using
MediaWiki's internal search. Do you have an account on
http://swlabs.org/ yet?

Angela.


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:07:35 +0100
From: gregor.urech at zeix.com
Subject: [Search-l] Gregor Urech ist in den Ferien.
To: search-l at wikia.com
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I will be out of the office starting  27.12.2007 and will not return until
07.01.2008.

Your mail will not be forwarded.
In urgent cases please contact Angie Born: angie.born at zeix.com.



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:14:03 +0530
From: "prakhar agrawal" <agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
	<d80cfd5d0801022044g186f75f1t40165e4f8630696c at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

hi,
i would also love to have an invite sent to agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com
thanks,
Prakhar

On Jan 3, 2008 6:38 AM, Thomas Schaaf <thomas at schaafs.net> wrote:

> I would love an Invite to.
>
> Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),
>
> Thomas
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:56:00 +0000
From: charles at thewybles.com
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
	
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Guess I should add my hat to the ring before all the invites get used. :) 

Please send an invite to charles at thewybles.com


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "prakhar agrawal" <agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:14:03 
To:"Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available


hi, 
i would also love to have an invite sent to agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com
<mailto:agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com> 
thanks, 
Prakhar

 
On Jan 3, 2008 6:38 AM, Thomas Schaaf <thomas at schaafs.net
<mailto:thomas at schaafs.net> > wrote:
 I would love an Invite to.

Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),

 Thomas

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:59:22 -0800
From: "Fred Benenson" <fred.benenson at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
To: charles at thewybles.com, "Mailing list for Search Wikia"
	<search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
	<8e447b720801022059s3d49361ci469d2e77c23d940d at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Sorry to be that guy again, and this is nothing personal -- but invites need
to be sent to Jimmy directly. His e-mail is

"Jimmy Wales" <jwales at wikia.com>

Please do not use this list to request invites -- there are other
discussions going on here and plenty of people who don't want any more "me
too" e-mails.

Thanks,

Fred





On Jan 2, 2008 8:56 PM, <charles at thewybles.com> wrote:

> Guess I should add my hat to the ring before all the invites get used. :)
>
> Please send an invite to charles at thewybles.com
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "prakhar agrawal" <agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:14:03
> To:"Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
>
>
> hi,
> i would also love to have an invite sent to
agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com<mailto:
> agrawal.prakhar88 at gmail.com>
> thanks,
> Prakhar
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 6:38 AM, Thomas Schaaf <thomas at schaafs.net <mailto:
> thomas at schaafs.net> > wrote:
>  I would love an Invite to.
>
> Greetings from San Jose(am on vacation normally live in Germany),
>
>  Thomas
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:04:25 -0600
From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <200801022304.25040.kanzure at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"

Fred,

I am afraid that I must be out of the loop. What are all of these invite 
requests about?

- Bryan


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:04:35 -0800
From: "Fred Benenson" <fred.benenson at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] private pre-alpha invites available
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
	<8e447b720801022104u5e0a061eraf28eb6c129ab7fe at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Please see Jimmy's original post here:

http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/2007-December/000845.html

...where he asks people to contact him directly for invitations to the alpha
of the Search Wikia site.

Best,

Fred

On Jan 2, 2008 9:04 PM, Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fred,
>
> I am afraid that I must be out of the loop. What are all of these invite
> requests about?
>
> - Bryan
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:11:00 -0700
From: "Joe Fulton" <jpfulton314 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Search-l] Alpha Invite
To: <Search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <BLU126-DAV745E3C5D1C7820CC0A255E9530 at phx.gbl>
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Please add me to the list.

 

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:51:00 +0100
From: Natanael <natanael.l at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Alpha Invite
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
	<b7c66c690801030151m31d21498i81facaaf70cb9a0 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Now I'm quoting somebody else:

"invites need to be sent to Jimmy directly. His e-mail is
"Jimmy Wales" <jwales at wikia.com >

Please do not use this list to request invites -- there are other
discussions going on here and plenty of people who don't want any more "me
too" e-mails."

On Jan 3, 2008 6:11 AM, Joe Fulton <jpfulton314 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Please add me to the list.
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:57:26 +1100
From: Angela <beesley at gmail.com>
Subject: [Search-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia
	launched
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
	<8b722b800801030257h607e513cqc55893382cbf87e7 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

This isn't related to Wikia, but is an interesting new search project
that might spark some ideas for Wikia Search.

http://www.seariki.com

Angela


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: J.H. Huang <jinh.huang at gmail.com>
Date: Dec 25, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for Wikipedia launched
To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org


Hi folks,
We have just launched a new Wikipedia-based search engine -
http://www.seariki.com

The idea is to combine searching and browsing effectively. For example, we
find paths from a category to top categories, and hopefully this makes
navigating through category hierarchy easier.
At this time, only English and Chinese are supported, but we are working on
indexing more languages.

Any comments will be appreciated.

Thanks and happy holiday.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:09:53 +0000
From: John McCormac <jmcc at hackwatch.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for
	Wikipedia	launched
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <477CD091.9010509 at hackwatch.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Angela wrote:
> This isn't related to Wikia, but is an interesting new search project
> that might spark some ideas for Wikia Search.

Isn't Wikia Search a general search engine rather than just a Wikipedia 
search engine that limits its index to Wikipedia? Could Wikia Search 
just provide a 'pages from' function to limit pages from a specific domain?

Regards...jmcc
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:30:11 -0500
From: "MJE Sales, LLC" <mjesales at gmail.com>
Subject: [Search-l] Local Crawling and client stability?
To: search-l at wikia.com
Message-ID:
	<4de9d4950801030730x40243e6cr2c350179818beb99 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I'm psyched about the upcoming release - thats pretty cool!

Any plans on updating the local crawling feature so that our accounts
show something other than "your grub.txt file should contain the
following number: 0"
I have a number of sites that I would like to include in this.

Also - the client seems to stop working after an average of 1.5 hours
of use when left alone on a windows 2000 machine.  Any idea on how to
fix this.  If you leave it running but not open, then the number of
icons in the system tray can increase to about 20 while you are gone.
But if you leave it open it will prevent multiple instances.  I've
posted before on the wiki page but no one responds.


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:35:39 +0000
From: John McCormac <jmcc at hackwatch.com>
Subject: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
To: "search-l at wikia.com" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <477D00CB.1010909 at hackwatch.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?

Regards...jmcc
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:45:14 -0500
From: Seth Finkelstein <sethf at sethf.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Cc: jmcc at whoisireland.com
Message-ID: <20080103154514.GA16775 at sethf.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
> What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?

	Hmm ... looks like this is it:

"Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"

 IP: 149.20.54.195 

 Resolves to: www.isc.swlabs.org

  and:

 OrgName:    Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 
 OrgID:      ISC-94
 Address:    950 Charter Street
 City:       Redwood City
 StateProv:  CA
 PostalCode: 94063
 Country:    US

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:56:59 -0600
From: Dennis Kubes <kubes at apache.org>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <477D05CB.5010205 at apache.org>
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Yes that is the current bot.

Dennis

Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
>> What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?
> 
> 	Hmm ... looks like this is it:
> 
> "Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"
> 
>  IP: 149.20.54.195 
> 
>  Resolves to: www.isc.swlabs.org
> 
>   and:
> 
>  OrgName:    Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 
>  OrgID:      ISC-94
>  Address:    950 Charter Street
>  City:       Redwood City
>  StateProv:  CA
>  PostalCode: 94063
>  Country:    US
> 


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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:07:52 +0000
From: John McCormac <jmcc at hackwatch.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <477D0858.3030004 at hackwatch.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Dennis Kubes wrote:
> Yes that is the current bot.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
>>
>>>What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?
>>
>>	Hmm ... looks like this is it:
>>
>>"Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"

Brilliant move - use one a UA that is on the blacklist for many sites. I 
think that only Nutch is as equally blacklisted.

Regards...jmcc
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:09:47 -0500
From: Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Cc: jmcc at whoisireland.com
Message-ID: <477D08CB.3060308 at wikia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

We are also crawling using Nutch... not sure what the user agent is for 
that.

Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
>> What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?
> 
> 	Hmm ... looks like this is it:
> 
> "Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"
> 
>  IP: 149.20.54.195 
> 
>  Resolves to: www.isc.swlabs.org
> 
>   and:
> 
>  OrgName:    Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 
>  OrgID:      ISC-94
>  Address:    950 Charter Street
>  City:       Redwood City
>  StateProv:  CA
>  PostalCode: 94063
>  Country:    US
> 



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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:14:11 -0600
From: Dennis Kubes <kubes at apache.org>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <477D09D3.3020502 at apache.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

That is the current UA we are using for the Nutch crawling.


Jimmy Wales wrote:
> We are also crawling using Nutch... not sure what the user agent is for 
> that.
> 
> Seth Finkelstein wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:35:39PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
>>> What is the User Agent for Search Wikia?
>> 	Hmm ... looks like this is it:
>>
>> "Grub/2.0 (Grub.org crawler; http://www.grub.org/; bot at grub.org)"
>>
>>  IP: 149.20.54.195 
>>
>>  Resolves to: www.isc.swlabs.org
>>
>>   and:
>>
>>  OrgName:    Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 
>>  OrgID:      ISC-94
>>  Address:    950 Charter Street
>>  City:       Redwood City
>>  StateProv:  CA
>>  PostalCode: 94063
>>  Country:    US
>>
> 
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:25:25 +0000
From: John McCormac <jmcc at hackwatch.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] User Agent For Search Wikia
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <477D0C75.1030906 at hackwatch.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Jimmy Wales wrote:
> We are also crawling using Nutch... not sure what the user agent is for 
> that.
It would be best for Search Wikia to have its own unique UA. That way it 
  will not get banned accidentally.

Both Grub and Nutch are common UAs in blacklists. Nutch tends to upset 
some directory owners as any muppet can generally set it up and hammer 
directories. This tends to result in a UA ban and is quickly followed by 
an IP range ban. The Apache mod_rewrite rules generally look for the 
term 'Nutch' in the UA.

Regards...jmcc
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:33:39 -0600
From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com>
Subject: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <200801031033.40463.kanzure at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"


Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the 
proliferation of the search model that was designed by the 
Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or 
four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories" 
to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to 
organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all 
through some common, open and standardized protocols for a diversity of 
third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything come of 
this?

- Bryan


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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:52:58 -0600
From: jer <jeremie at jabber.org>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <0C7074E3-D999-423D-A602-C074BDC592DD at jabber.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Ahh, I think you mean Atlas, and the atlas-l group?
	http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/atlas-l
	http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Atlas
	
Definitely related, over the next week there will be a number of  
discussions about the initial architecture and long term goals and I  
think you'll see all the parallels :)

Jer

On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote:

>
> Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the
> proliferation of the search model that was designed by the
> Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or
> four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories"
> to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to
> organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all
> through some common, open and standardized protocols for a  
> diversity of
> third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything  
> come of
> this?
>
> - Bryan
> _______________________________________________
> Search-l mailing list
> Search-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
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> options/search-l



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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:56:57 -0800
From: "Jon Ursenbach" <lorderunion at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
	<605cd35e0801030856na9a5cbcod52724a7dee34d7c at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Is it just me, or does Atlas sound a lot like Mahalo?


On Jan 3, 2008 8:52 AM, jer <jeremie at jabber.org> wrote:

> Ahh, I think you mean Atlas, and the atlas-l group?
>        http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/atlas-l
>        http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Atlas
>
> Definitely related, over the next week there will be a number of
> discussions about the initial architecture and long term goals and I
> think you'll see all the parallels :)
>
> Jer
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
>
> >
> > Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the
> > proliferation of the search model that was designed by the
> > Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or
> > four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories"
> > to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to
> > organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all
> > through some common, open and standardized protocols for a
> > diversity of
> > third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything
> > come of
> > this?
> >
> > - Bryan
> > _______________________________________________
> > Search-l mailing list
> > Search-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:03:07 -0800
From: "Aerik Sylvan" <aerik at thesylvans.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
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On Jan 3, 2008 8:56 AM, Jon Ursenbach <lorderunion at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it just me, or does Atlas sound a lot like Mahalo?
>

Huh?  How so?  Atlas is an infrastructure, and Mahalo is basically a
twist on a directory.

Aerik


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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:07:35 -0600
From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <200801031107.35779.kanzure at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"

On Thursday 03 January 2008, Jon Ursenbach wrote:
> Is it just me, or does Atlas sound a lot like Mahalo?

I just tried out Mahalo, which seems a lot like ChaCha without the 
immediate chat capacities. Atlas is an infrastructure or framework.

- Bryan
________________________________________
Bryan Bishop
http://heybryan.org/


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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:10:02 -0800
From: "Jon Ursenbach" <lorderunion at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
	<605cd35e0801030910p3bb88634t755546578d76d59 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

My bad. I should have actually read the page instead of looking at pictures.
Guess that's what I get for being sick, haha.


On Jan 3, 2008 9:07 AM, Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday 03 January 2008, Jon Ursenbach wrote:
> > Is it just me, or does Atlas sound a lot like Mahalo?
>
> I just tried out Mahalo, which seems a lot like ChaCha without the
> immediate chat capacities. Atlas is an infrastructure or framework.
>
> - Bryan
> ________________________________________
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:11:36 -0800
From: "Aerik Sylvan" <aerik at thesylvans.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] new search engine for
	Wikipedia	launched
To: "Mailing list for Search Wikia" <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
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On Jan 3, 2008 2:57 AM, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> This isn't related to Wikia, but is an interesting new search project
> that might spark some ideas for Wikia Search.
>
> http://www.seariki.com
>
> Angela
>


That *is* cool.  Nice search interface.  That brings an idea to mind:
if one wanted to quickly build a Mahalo type directory-in-a-search
engine, one could do the same thing, and present the external links
found in Wikipedia.  Perhaps use the article title in some way to
narrow search topics.  Hmm...

Aerik


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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:31:36 +0100
From: Ronald Ashri <ronald at istos.it>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the artemis-l plans?
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <F94AB4A4-65A2-4A63-BA82-582D9F7E23D9 at istos.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Artemis sounds very much like a typical agent-based approach to  
problem solving. Individual agents specialise on specific tasks and  
share a common language (protocol) through which to  share results.

The notions of factories (or worker agents), brokers of agent  
capabilities and information, etc have been analysed extensively  
within this community and if I recall correctly there are some  
prototype search systems implemented using such as approach.

I don't know Artemis directly but if this sort of direction is of  
interest for Wikia then I would be happy to put together a little  
summary/bibliography of related agent-based research dealing with  
decentralised search. Might provide inspiration and/or work that can  
directly be inputted in Wikia.

Best,

Ronald

www.istos.it



On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Bryan Bishop wrote:

>
> Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the
> proliferation of the search model that was designed by the
> Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or
> four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories"
> to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to
> organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all
> through some common, open and standardized protocols for a  
> diversity of
> third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything  
> come of
> this?
>
> - Bryan
> _______________________________________________
> Search-l mailing list
> Search-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:36:59 -0500
From: Seth Finkelstein <sethf at sethf.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Does anyone remember the atlas-l plans?
To: Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID: <20080103173659.GA17913 at sethf.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Jer, I've had it in my mind to ask you what's the difference between
this architecture and something like model-view-controller patterns.
Maybe this is a topic for atlas-l, when you have the time. Frankly,
I don't get what's supposed to be the innovation here, beyond formalizing
search in something like modeling or design pattern language. But then,
that's not my area of expertise, so I could be missing the insight.

-- 
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Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php

On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:52:58AM -0600, jer wrote:
> Ahh, I think you mean Atlas, and the atlas-l group?
> 	http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/atlas-l
> 	http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Atlas
> 	
> Definitely related, over the next week there will be a number of  
> discussions about the initial architecture and long term goals and I  
> think you'll see all the parallels :)
> 
> Jer
> 
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
> 
> >
> > Grub/Wikiasearch  looks like an excellent opportunity to begin the
> > proliferation of the search model that was designed by the
> > Wikia-Artemis group a while back. I know their posts stopped three or
> > four months ago, but they had published a sound model for "factories"
> > to produce 'nuggets' of information from the web, and 'brokers' to
> > organize the information and give them to 'filters' or 'users', all
> > through some common, open and standardized protocols for a  
> > diversity of
> > third-parties to step in and try to do the job better. Anything  
> > come of
> > this?
> >
> > - Bryan
> > _______________________________________________
> > Search-l mailing list
> > Search-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
> > Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/ 
> > options/search-l


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From sas at 321.hu  Thu Jan  3 18:58:07 2008
From: sas at 321.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?SZERV=C1C?= Attila)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:58:07 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Invites
In-Reply-To: <47791E70.7040501@wikia.com>
References: <41dbfd970712270750t3c110b81n2a627a56ae18f6da@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231080114.GS26420@lenin>
	<605cd35e0712310753o36819b36l114841aa78682daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47791E70.7040501@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <20080103185807.GD30421@lenin>


 News ?

On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:53:04AM -0500, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> 
> I am sending out a few invites each day, and we are responding rapidly 
> to feedback.  The pace of invites will accelerate in the next few days. :)

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From pagetronic at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 10:18:49 2008
From: pagetronic at gmail.com (PAGE Laurent)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:18:49 +0300
Subject: [Search-l]  private pre-alpha invites available
In-Reply-To: <48dd18770801040214j764d78b0r682cee5369d2c7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48dd18770801040214j764d78b0r682cee5369d2c7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48dd18770801040218q220e2051o4514e3df0a4ad535@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Can I have an invite :) please

Thanks and good luck!


From pagetronic at pagetronic.com  Fri Jan  4 10:14:58 2008
From: pagetronic at pagetronic.com (PAGE Laurent)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:14:58 +0300
Subject: [Search-l] Re :  private pre-alpha invites available
Message-ID: <48dd18770801040214j764d78b0r682cee5369d2c7c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Can I have an invite :) please

Thanks and good luck!


From jmcc at hackwatch.com  Fri Jan  4 15:26:34 2008
From: jmcc at hackwatch.com (John McCormac)
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:26:34 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] invites/launch?
Message-ID: <477E502A.9020401@hackwatch.com>

So any updates on the invites and will the project launch on January 7th 
as planned?

Regards...jmcc
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From sethf at sethf.com  Sat Jan  5 00:24:51 2008
From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:24:51 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] invites/launch?
In-Reply-To: <477E502A.9020401@hackwatch.com>
References: <477E502A.9020401@hackwatch.com>
Message-ID: <20080105002451.GA26049@sethf.com>

On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 03:26:34PM +0000, John McCormac wrote:
> So any updates on the invites and will the project launch on January 7th 
> as planned?
> 
> Regards...jmcc

	He said it, I didn't:

The Google Challengers: 2008 Edition
http://searchengineland.com/080103-084033.php

Now Wikia Search is at hand. A private "pre-alpha" test started in
late December, an invite-only thing I still find odd for a service
that's supposedly all about the "transparency." But on Monday, the
general public will finally get a look at whatever Wales and his team
have concocted. In the meantime, while Wales still hasn't posted any
news since July 27 to the "news" section of Search Wikia, press
reports tell us so far:

    * Only a tiny 50 to 100 million pages will be indexed at
      launch. The major search engines today have tens of billions of
      pages indexed. (AP)
       
    * There will be a high degree of human editorial influence, though
      whether that's over the algorithm or the search results on a
      per-query basis remains to be seen (CMP)
       
    * An early screenshot suggested that Search Wikia might be
      evolving more into a Facebook-style service, perhaps with some
      ways for users to share results (Matthew Buckland & Wired)


-- 
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From sas at 321.hu  Sat Jan  5 20:32:28 2008
From: sas at 321.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?SZERV=C1C?= Attila)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:32:28 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Invites
In-Reply-To: <20080103185807.GD30421@lenin>
References: <41dbfd970712270750t3c110b81n2a627a56ae18f6da@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231080114.GS26420@lenin>
	<605cd35e0712310753o36819b36l114841aa78682daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47791E70.7040501@wikia.com> <20080103185807.GD30421@lenin>
Message-ID: <20080105203228.GH30421@lenin>


 Ping #day4+5 :-)

On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:58:07PM +0100, SZERV?C Attila wrote:
> 
>  News ?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:53:04AM -0500, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> > 
> > I am sending out a few invites each day, and we are responding rapidly 
> > to feedback.  The pace of invites will accelerate in the next few days. :)

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From newsmarkie at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  5 22:33:46 2008
From: newsmarkie at googlemail.com (Mark (Markie))
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 22:33:46 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] Invites
In-Reply-To: <20080105203228.GH30421@lenin>
References: <41dbfd970712270750t3c110b81n2a627a56ae18f6da@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231080114.GS26420@lenin>
	<605cd35e0712310753o36819b36l114841aa78682daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47791E70.7040501@wikia.com> <20080103185807.GD30421@lenin>
	<20080105203228.GH30421@lenin>
Message-ID: <a6424d870801051433x7be24f72i3753a0f06258958e@mail.gmail.com>

launch is monday so you will probs have to wait until after then (as far as
i know)

mark

On Jan 5, 2008 8:32 PM, SZERV?C Attila <sas at 321.hu> wrote:

>
>  Ping #day4+5 :-)
>
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:58:07PM +0100, SZERV?C Attila wrote:
> >
> >  News ?
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:53:04AM -0500, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> > >
> > > I am sending out a few invites each day, and we are responding rapidly
> > > to feedback.  The pace of invites will accelerate in the next few
> days. :)
>
> --
>  sas ( satie ) - SZERV?C Attila - zeneszerz? - szoftvergazda  \
>  eln?khelyettes - Linux-felhaszn?l?k Magyarorsz?gi Egyes?lete -
> http://lme.hu/
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From sas at 321.hu  Sat Jan  5 23:27:52 2008
From: sas at 321.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?SZERV=C1C?= 'Servitore' Attila)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 00:27:52 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Invites
In-Reply-To: <a6424d870801051433x7be24f72i3753a0f06258958e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41dbfd970712270750t3c110b81n2a627a56ae18f6da@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231080114.GS26420@lenin>
	<605cd35e0712310753o36819b36l114841aa78682daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47791E70.7040501@wikia.com> <20080103185807.GD30421@lenin>
	<20080105203228.GH30421@lenin>
	<a6424d870801051433x7be24f72i3753a0f06258958e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080105232752.GI30421@lenin>


 '2008. janu?r 5., 22:56, Charitwo (Talk | Szerkeszt?sei) blokkolta
 Servitore (Talk | Szerkeszt?sei) felhaszn?l?t (lej?rat: expires 2008.
 janu?r 6., 22:56'

On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:33:46PM +0000, Mark (Markie) wrote:
> launch is monday so you will probs have to wait until after then (as far as
> i know)

-- 
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From sethf at sethf.com  Sun Jan  6 00:28:41 2008
From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
Message-ID: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>

	I dread the potential repercussions of asking this, but
in the service of journalism: Is there anyone on this list who
can confirm getting an invite?

[note - please DO NOT REPLY to the list that you *haven't* gotten an
invite! That's *assumed*. That's the default. And DON'T DON'T DON'T
reply that you'd *like* an invite!]

	I can't figure it out. The large numbers of servers mean money
and expertise from somewhere. Did Wikia acquire some more search tech
that it's rebranding? This is all much more like dealing with a
stealth startup than an open-source project.

-- 
Seth Finkelstein  Consulting Programmer  http://sethf.com/
Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php


From sas at 321.hu  Sun Jan  6 00:36:06 2008
From: sas at 321.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?SZERV=C1C?= Attila)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:36:06 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <20080106003606.GK30421@lenin>

On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:28:41PM -0500, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> 	I dread the potential repercussions of asking this, but
> in the service of journalism: Is there anyone on this list who
> can confirm getting an invite?

 Yes, THX !

-- 
 sas ( satie ) - SZERV?C Attila - zeneszerz? - szoftvergazda  \
 eln?khelyettes - Linux-felhaszn?l?k Magyarorsz?gi Egyes?lete - http://lme.hu/
 HU/Budapest - http://321.hu/sas/        http://321.hu/Elig



From peter.burden at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 00:36:54 2008
From: peter.burden at gmail.com (Peter Burden)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 00:36:54 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <db8759410801051636i3c205e3djf0ad709a49ea49ef@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - I received one at 21:19 [GMT] this evening (5/1/8)

On 06/01/2008, Seth Finkelstein <sethf at sethf.com> wrote:
>
>         I dread the potential repercussions of asking this, but
> in the service of journalism: Is there anyone on this list who
> can confirm getting an invite?
>
> [note - please DO NOT REPLY to the list that you *haven't* gotten an
> invite! That's *assumed*. That's the default. And DON'T DON'T DON'T
> reply that you'd *like* an invite!]
>
>         I can't figure it out. The large numbers of servers mean money
> and expertise from somewhere. Did Wikia acquire some more search tech
> that it's rebranding? This is all much more like dealing with a
> stealth startup than an open-source project.
>
> --
> Seth Finkelstein  Consulting Programmer  http://sethf.com/
> Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
> Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php
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From drfoxxy at pacbell.net  Sun Jan  6 00:33:33 2008
From: drfoxxy at pacbell.net (NMA)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:33:33 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <C9406255-0C75-49AB-AFA8-2C249140FFBE@pacbell.net>

I can confirn I got an invite today.

On Jan 5, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote:

> 	I dread the potential repercussions of asking this, but
> in the service of journalism: Is there anyone on this list who
> can confirm getting an invite?
>
> [note - please DO NOT REPLY to the list that you *haven't* gotten an
> invite! That's *assumed*. That's the default. And DON'T DON'T DON'T
> reply that you'd *like* an invite!]
>
> 	I can't figure it out. The large numbers of servers mean money
> and expertise from somewhere. Did Wikia acquire some more search tech
> that it's rebranding? This is all much more like dealing with a
> stealth startup than an open-source project.
>
> -- 
> Seth Finkelstein  Consulting Programmer  http://sethf.com/
> Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
> Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php
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From jason at calacanis.com  Sun Jan  6 00:51:46 2008
From: jason at calacanis.com (=?utf-8?B?SmFzb24gTWNDYWJlIENhbGFjYW5pcw==?=)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 00:51:46 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <C9406255-0C75-49AB-AFA8-2C249140FFBE@pacbell.net>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com><C9406255-0C75-49AB-AFA8-2C249140FFBE@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <877807311-1199580745-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-689657834-@bxe034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Can I have an invite?!? :)

J
---------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: NMA <drfoxxy at pacbell.net>

Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:33:33 
To:Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
Subject: Re: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?


I can confirn I got an invite today.

On Jan 5, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote:

> 	I dread the potential repercussions of asking this, but
> in the service of journalism: Is there anyone on this list who
> can confirm getting an invite?
>
> [note - please DO NOT REPLY to the list that you *haven't* gotten an
> invite! That's *assumed*. That's the default. And DON'T DON'T DON'T
> reply that you'd *like* an invite!]
>
> 	I can't figure it out. The large numbers of servers mean money
> and expertise from somewhere. Did Wikia acquire some more search tech
> that it's rebranding? This is all much more like dealing with a
> stealth startup than an open-source project.
>
> --
> Seth Finkelstein  Consulting Programmer  http://sethf.com/
> Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
> Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php
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From lorderunion at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 00:54:47 2008
From: lorderunion at gmail.com (Jon Ursenbach)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:54:47 -0800
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <877807311-1199580745-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-689657834-@bxe034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
	<C9406255-0C75-49AB-AFA8-2C249140FFBE@pacbell.net>
	<877807311-1199580745-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-689657834-@bxe034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <605cd35e0801051654j727c218es2cbf5b8e5fc4e56@mail.gmail.com>

E-Mail Jimmy.

On Jan 5, 2008 4:51 PM, Jason McCabe Calacanis <jason at calacanis.com> wrote:

> Can I have an invite?!? :)
>
> J
> ---------------
> Jason at Calacanis.com | Mobile: 310-456-4900
> http://www.calacanis.com | http://www.mahalo.com
> Executive Assistant: admin at calacanis.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NMA <drfoxxy at pacbell.net>
>
> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:33:33
> To:Mailing list for Search Wikia <search-l at wikia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
>
>
> I can confirn I got an invite today.
>
> On Jan 5, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
>
> >       I dread the potential repercussions of asking this, but
> > in the service of journalism: Is there anyone on this list who
> > can confirm getting an invite?
> >
> > [note - please DO NOT REPLY to the list that you *haven't* gotten an
> > invite! That's *assumed*. That's the default. And DON'T DON'T DON'T
> > reply that you'd *like* an invite!]
> >
> >       I can't figure it out. The large numbers of servers mean money
> > and expertise from somewhere. Did Wikia acquire some more search tech
> > that it's rebranding? This is all much more like dealing with a
> > stealth startup than an open-source project.
> >
> > --
> > Seth Finkelstein  Consulting Programmer  http://sethf.com/
> > Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
> > Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php
> > _______________________________________________
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From kanzure at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 01:04:47 2008
From: kanzure at gmail.com (Bryan Bishop)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:04:47 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <200801051904.47858.kanzure@gmail.com>

On Saturday 05 January 2008, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> ????????I can't figure it out. The large numbers of servers mean
> money and expertise from somewhere. Did Wikia acquire some more
> search tech that it's rebranding? This is all much more like dealing
> with a stealth startup than an open-source project.

http://grub.org/

- Bryan
________________________________________
Bryan Bishop
http://heybryan.org/


From borboleta at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 01:46:16 2008
From: borboleta at gmail.com (Bani)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 23:46:16 -0200
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>

Hehe I have to agree that it is very stealthy for something that
claims transparency as one of the pillars.
At the same time, I understand that other successful open source
projects (GCC for example) started their development in a "cathedral"
style instead of a "bazaar", so let's just hope this works out well
for Wikia.

I got an invite tonight too, and they mention we should post comments
on a wiki, but I don't know which wiki is that. Is there some sort of
bugzilla application running somewhere? I've already found a couple
things not working and I don't know if it's been reported already or
not.


On Jan 5, 2008 10:28 PM, Seth Finkelstein <sethf at sethf.com> wrote:
>         I can't figure it out. The large numbers of servers mean money
> and expertise from somewhere. Did Wikia acquire some more search tech
> that it's rebranding? This is all much more like dealing with a
> stealth startup than an open-source project.


From tempn at twmi.rr.com  Sun Jan  6 02:07:01 2008
From: tempn at twmi.rr.com (Compn)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:07:01 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
	<35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080105210701.601e686d.tempn@twmi.rr.com>

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 23:46:16 -0200, Bani wrote:
>I got an invite tonight too, and they mention we should post comments
>on a wiki, but I don't know which wiki is that. Is there some sort of


digging around the wiki i found this page

http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Prealpha_bug_reports

-compn


From baseballcards at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 02:34:36 2008
From: baseballcards at gmail.com (Bob Wells)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] Search-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <fb7f8f440801051831x508b36b6t8f34079cfdcef2bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.111652.1199585055.23935.search-l@wikia.com>
	<fb7f8f440801051831x508b36b6t8f34079cfdcef2bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb7f8f440801051834t285f0b7o24fcb46104bbc508@mail.gmail.com>

I'm liking what I read so far, may I have an invite, I'll be up all
night.   :)  Thank you


From jwales at wikia.com  Sun Jan  6 02:42:52 2008
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:42:52 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
	<35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4780402C.8010606@wikia.com>


At the bottom of each page there is a link "Help us make it better" that 
goes to a bug report form on the wiki.

No formal bugzilla right now, we are just banging away on the most 
urgent things and there are few enough bugs and coders that the wiki is 
working ok.

--Jimbo


From jeremie at jabber.org  Sun Jan  6 02:51:19 2008
From: jeremie at jabber.org (jer)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:51:19 -0600
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
	<35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6A2AC05-E5EC-47FE-B4B0-CAF66C1BB59E@jabber.org>

> Hehe I have to agree that it is very stealthy for something that
> claims transparency as one of the pillars.

It bothers me probably more than anyone... it's really not that  
there's any secrets (as will be soon apparent, pretty straight- 
forward stuff), but more-so just practicality.  All of the various  
pieces coming together has been very chaotic, just trying to get  
things functional and preparing for any sort of volume that may come :)

Jer


From omc168 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  6 06:30:09 2008
From: omc168 at hotmail.com (168 1337)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 23:30:09 -0700
Subject: [Search-l] Invites
In-Reply-To: <20080105203228.GH30421@lenin>
References: <41dbfd970712270750t3c110b81n2a627a56ae18f6da@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231080114.GS26420@lenin>
	<605cd35e0712310753o36819b36l114841aa78682daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47791E70.7040501@wikia.com> <20080103185807.GD30421@lenin> 
	<20080105203228.GH30421@lenin>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W65943842F0AF8CF5395F6914E0@phx.gbl>


Why am I rreceiving all these invite requests from other people to my account?
Please stop forwarding these to me.
 
thank you.> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:32:28 +0100> From: sas at 321.hu> To: search-l at wikia.com; jwales at wikia.com> Subject: Re: [Search-l] Invites> > > Ping #day4+5 :-)> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:58:07PM +0100, SZERV?C Attila wrote:> > > > News ?> > > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:53:04AM -0500, Jimmy Wales wrote:> > > > > > I am sending out a few invites each day, and we are responding rapidly > > > to feedback. The pace of invites will accelerate in the next few days. :)> > -- > sas ( satie ) - SZERV?C Attila - zeneszerz? - szoftvergazda \> eln?khelyettes - Linux-felhaszn?l?k Magyarorsz?gi Egyes?lete - http://lme.hu/> HU/Budapest - http://321.hu/sas/ http://321.hu/Elig> > _______________________________________________> Search-l mailing list> Search-l at wikia.com> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l> Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l
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From sethf at sethf.com  Sun Jan  6 09:19:56 2008
From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 04:19:56 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] transparency
In-Reply-To: <B6A2AC05-E5EC-47FE-B4B0-CAF66C1BB59E@jabber.org>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
	<35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6A2AC05-E5EC-47FE-B4B0-CAF66C1BB59E@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <20080106091956.GA936@sethf.com>

>> Hehe I have to agree that it is very stealthy for something that
>> claims transparency as one of the pilars.

> On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:51:19PM -0600, jer wrote:
> It bothers me probably more than anyone... it's really not that  
> there's any secrets (as will be soon apparent, pretty straight- 
> forward stuff), but more-so just practicality.  All of the various  
> pieces coming together has been very chaotic, just trying to get  
> things functional and preparing for any sort of volume that may come :)
> 
> Jer

	Well, it seems obvious that some sort of funding deal got
done. My *guess* is that it involved funneling money through the
"Internet Systems Consortium". Something like, *hypothetically*,
BigMoneyMan was convinced to donate a million bucks or so to the
ISC, where the ISC would then run the search project for Wikia.
That structuring would mean the BigMoneyMan would get a tax deduction,
while Wikia would not be saddled with more venture capital obligations.
Then that supports buying many servers and for expert consulting.

	I should clarify I'm not saying that the above *hypothetical*
is necessarily a bad thing (though small search engines might claim 
it's favoritism in spirit even if permitted under the letter of the law).

	Maybe the deal will be announced Monday, "We got X dollars from Y
(via ISC), which allowed us to put Z servers into production and hire ABC".
I should stress, before Jimmy flames me for speculation, that under
the current "mushroom management", speculation is all I can do. And I
assume such a sharp businessman has taken his financial experiences
with Wikipedia (as part of a non-profit, "501(c)(3)" foundation) to heart.

	There's a large amount of tension between the fact that Wikia
is a venture capital backed start-up, and the idea of running a
transparent open-source project. Let's remember that the price of the
Grub crawler being $50K was not a secret _per se_, eventually being
disclosed in SEC documents. But due to the implications, Wikia
definitely had an incentive to keep that info hidden as long as
possible. Businesses by nature aren't transparent - that's the whole
history of the Securities and Exchange Commission in a nutshell.

-- 
Seth Finkelstein  Consulting Programmer  http://sethf.com/
Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php


From gxsoft at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 10:49:05 2008
From: gxsoft at gmail.com (Gabriel Medina)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:49:05 -0300
Subject: [Search-l] transparency
In-Reply-To: <20080106091956.GA936@sethf.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
	<35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6A2AC05-E5EC-47FE-B4B0-CAF66C1BB59E@jabber.org>
	<20080106091956.GA936@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <39b08cc0801060249u57c9788bv5634003d6e2b39c@mail.gmail.com>

Seth Finkelstein

Nice Speculation!

Best Regards,
gab


On Jan 6, 2008 6:19 AM, Seth Finkelstein <sethf at sethf.com> wrote:

> >> Hehe I have to agree that it is very stealthy for something that
> >> claims transparency as one of the pilars.
>
> > On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:51:19PM -0600, jer wrote:
> > It bothers me probably more than anyone... it's really not that
> > there's any secrets (as will be soon apparent, pretty straight-
> > forward stuff), but more-so just practicality.  All of the various
> > pieces coming together has been very chaotic, just trying to get
> > things functional and preparing for any sort of volume that may come :)
> >
> > Jer
>
>        Well, it seems obvious that some sort of funding deal got
> done. My *guess* is that it involved funneling money through the
> "Internet Systems Consortium". Something like, *hypothetically*,
> BigMoneyMan was convinced to donate a million bucks or so to the
> ISC, where the ISC would then run the search project for Wikia.
> That structuring would mean the BigMoneyMan would get a tax deduction,
> while Wikia would not be saddled with more venture capital obligations.
> Then that supports buying many servers and for expert consulting.
>
>        I should clarify I'm not saying that the above *hypothetical*
> is necessarily a bad thing (though small search engines might claim
> it's favoritism in spirit even if permitted under the letter of the law).
>
>        Maybe the deal will be announced Monday, "We got X dollars from Y
> (via ISC), which allowed us to put Z servers into production and hire
> ABC".
> I should stress, before Jimmy flames me for speculation, that under
> the current "mushroom management", speculation is all I can do. And I
> assume such a sharp businessman has taken his financial experiences
> with Wikipedia (as part of a non-profit, "501(c)(3)" foundation) to heart.
>
>        There's a large amount of tension between the fact that Wikia
> is a venture capital backed start-up, and the idea of running a
> transparent open-source project. Let's remember that the price of the
> Grub crawler being $50K was not a secret _per se_, eventually being
> disclosed in SEC documents. But due to the implications, Wikia
> definitely had an incentive to keep that info hidden as long as
> possible. Businesses by nature aren't transparent - that's the whole
> history of the Securities and Exchange Commission in a nutshell.
>
> --
> Seth Finkelstein  Consulting Programmer  http://sethf.com/
> Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
> Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php
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From newsmarkie at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  6 14:27:17 2008
From: newsmarkie at googlemail.com (Mark (Markie))
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:27:17 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] Invites
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-W65943842F0AF8CF5395F6914E0@phx.gbl>
References: <41dbfd970712270750t3c110b81n2a627a56ae18f6da@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231080114.GS26420@lenin>
	<605cd35e0712310753o36819b36l114841aa78682daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47791E70.7040501@wikia.com> <20080103185807.GD30421@lenin>
	<20080105203228.GH30421@lenin>
	<BAY104-W65943842F0AF8CF5395F6914E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a6424d870801060627w4a4ecb3ej428a7906842c28d5@mail.gmail.com>

these are forwarded to everyone by the mailing list as people keep on
clicking the reply button.  theres nothing that can be done (except maybe
using digests or un-subscribing (but then you wont get anything :-( ))

mark

On Jan 6, 2008 6:30 AM, 168 1337 <omc168 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Why am I rreceiving all these invite requests from other people to my
> account?
> Please stop forwarding these to me.
>
> thank you.
>
> > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:32:28 +0100
> > From: sas at 321.hu
> > To: search-l at wikia.com; jwales at wikia.com
> > Subject: Re: [Search-l] Invites
>
> >
> >
> > Ping #day4+5 :-)
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:58:07PM +0100, SZERV?C Attila wrote:
> > >
> > > News ?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:53:04AM -0500, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am sending out a few invites each day, and we are responding
> rapidly
> > > > to feedback. The pace of invites will accelerate in the next few
> days. :)
> >
> > --
> > sas ( satie ) - SZERV?C Attila - zeneszerz? - szoftvergazda \
> > eln?khelyettes - Linux-felhaszn?l?k Magyarorsz?gi Egyes?lete -
> http://lme.hu/
> > HU/Budapest - http://321.hu/sas/ http://321.hu/Elig
> >
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From natanael.l at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 14:29:36 2008
From: natanael.l at gmail.com (Natanael)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:29:36 +0100
Subject: [Search-l] Can anyone confirm getting an invite?
In-Reply-To: <B6A2AC05-E5EC-47FE-B4B0-CAF66C1BB59E@jabber.org>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>
	<35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6A2AC05-E5EC-47FE-B4B0-CAF66C1BB59E@jabber.org>
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I got mine in Friday. I'm going to test it some more today.
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From jwales at wikia.com  Sun Jan  6 16:10:06 2008
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] transparency
In-Reply-To: <20080106091956.GA936@sethf.com>
References: <20080106002841.GA32070@sethf.com>	<35b94d690801051746h79ee4873m956146cec9c49286@mail.gmail.com>	<B6A2AC05-E5EC-47FE-B4B0-CAF66C1BB59E@jabber.org>
	<20080106091956.GA936@sethf.com>
Message-ID: <4780FD5E.4090303@wikia.com>

Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> Let's remember that the price of the
> Grub crawler being $50K was not a secret _per se_, eventually being
> disclosed in SEC documents. But due to the implications, Wikia
> definitely had an incentive to keep that info hidden as long as
> possible.

Seth, you're an idiot.

--Jimbo


From jwales at wikia.com  Sun Jan  6 16:14:09 2008
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:14:09 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] Seth on moderation
Message-ID: <4780FE51.6090204@wikia.com>

This is a working list, not a general debate mailing list.  I am no 
longer going to allow Seth to hijack the list for his crackpot 
theorizing and vendetta against me.

I have placed him on moderation.  I will allow through his posts if he 
wants to contribute positively to our work.  If he just wants to engage 
in conspiracy mongering and FUD, he can do it on his own blog.

--Jimbo


From jmcc at hackwatch.com  Sun Jan  6 19:01:08 2008
From: jmcc at hackwatch.com (John McCormac)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:01:08 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] launch time?
Message-ID: <47812574.8020609@hackwatch.com>

When is the launch time tomorrow for Wikia Search? Is it 0000 Hrs GMT or 
later in the day (California Time perhaps)?

Regards...jmcc
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From jwales at wikia.com  Sun Jan  6 21:04:10 2008
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:04:10 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] launch time?
In-Reply-To: <47812574.8020609@hackwatch.com>
References: <47812574.8020609@hackwatch.com>
Message-ID: <4781424A.5050909@wikia.com>

12:01AM PST

John McCormac wrote:
> When is the launch time tomorrow for Wikia Search? Is it 0000 Hrs GMT or 
> later in the day (California Time perhaps)?
> 
> Regards...jmcc



From gxsoft at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 21:07:50 2008
From: gxsoft at gmail.com (Gabriel Medina)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:07:50 -0300
Subject: [Search-l] launch time?
In-Reply-To: <4781424A.5050909@wikia.com>
References: <47812574.8020609@hackwatch.com> <4781424A.5050909@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <39b08cc0801061307o54ed535apd1f7e308d06112f0@mail.gmail.com>

PST?!

From Wikipedia

*PST* may refer to:

   - Pacific Standard Time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Standard_Time>,
   UTC?8:00
   - Paired Selected
Ternary<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paired_Selected_Ternary&action=edit>,
   a pulse transmission plan
   - Pakistan Standard
Time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Standard_Time>,
   UTC+5:00
   - *Patient Service Technician*, a job title given to a nursing
   assistant <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_assistant>
   - Philippine Standard
Time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Standard_Time>,
   UTC+8:00
   - Planar Separator
Theorem<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planar_Separator_Theorem&action=edit>,
   a theorem in graph theory <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory>
   - *Please Send Tell*, an online gaming term that indicates that the
   person speaking wants to receive private communication
   - Planescape: Torment<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planescape:_Torment>,
   a computer role-playing game
   - Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politiets_sikkerhetstjeneste>,
   the Norwegian police security agency
   - Post-stall technology<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-stall_technology>,
   aircraft control system
   - Pozna?ski Szybki
Tramwaj<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84ski_Szybki_Tramwaj>,
   a tram line in Pozna?, Poland
   - Prestonpans railway
station<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestonpans_railway_station>,
   East Lothian, Scotland
   - Provincial Sales Tax<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provincial_Sales_Tax>,
   a sales tax in most Canadian provinces
   - Program structure
tree<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_structure_tree>,
   a hierarchical representation of computer program structure
   - *Psst*, an exclamation to gain attention of someone covertly
   - .pst <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.pst>, a file extension used for
   "Personal Folder Files" which store information collected by the Microsoft
   Outlook application
   - Lead scandium
tantalate<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_scandium_tantalate>,
   a ceramic material



On Jan 6, 2008 6:04 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:

> 12:01AM PST
>
> John McCormac wrote:
> > When is the launch time tomorrow for Wikia Search? Is it 0000 Hrs GMT or
> > later in the day (California Time perhaps)?
> >
> > Regards...jmcc
>
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From newsmarkie at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  6 22:01:01 2008
From: newsmarkie at googlemail.com (Mark (Markie))
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:01:01 +0000
Subject: [Search-l] launch time?
In-Reply-To: <39b08cc0801061307o54ed535apd1f7e308d06112f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47812574.8020609@hackwatch.com> <4781424A.5050909@wikia.com>
	<39b08cc0801061307o54ed535apd1f7e308d06112f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6424d870801061401m56fc549bidd6edbf7a17e7feb@mail.gmail.com>

i think we can safely assume that this is Pacific standard time so UTC - 8.

thus 8.01 am UTC

mark



On Jan 6, 2008 9:07 PM, Gabriel Medina <gxsoft at gmail.com> wrote:

> PST?!
>
> From Wikipedia
>
> *PST* may refer to:
>
>    - Pacific Standard Time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Standard_Time>,
>    UTC?8:00
>    - Paired Selected Ternary<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paired_Selected_Ternary&action=edit>,
>    a pulse transmission plan
>    - Pakistan Standard Time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Standard_Time>,
>    UTC+5:00
>    - *Patient Service Technician *, a job title given to a nursing
>    assistant <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_assistant>
>    - Philippine Standard Time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Standard_Time>,
>    UTC+8:00
>    - Planar Separator Theorem<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planar_Separator_Theorem&action=edit>,
>    a theorem in graph theory<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory>
>    - *Please Send Tell*, an online gaming term that indicates that the
>    person speaking wants to receive private communication
>    - Planescape: Torment<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planescape:_Torment>,
>    a computer role-playing game
>    - Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politiets_sikkerhetstjeneste>,
>    the Norwegian police security agency
>    - Post-stall technology<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-stall_technology>,
>    aircraft control system
>    - Pozna?ski Szybki Tramwaj<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84ski_Szybki_Tramwaj>,
>    a tram line in Pozna?, Poland
>    - Prestonpans railway station<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestonpans_railway_station>,
>    East Lothian, Scotland
>    - Provincial Sales Tax<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provincial_Sales_Tax>,
>    a sales tax in most Canadian provinces
>    - Program structure tree<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_structure_tree>,
>    a hierarchical representation of computer program structure
>    - *Psst*, an exclamation to gain attention of someone covertly
>    - .pst <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.pst>, a file extension used
>    for "Personal Folder Files" which store information collected by the
>    Microsoft Outlook application
>    - Lead scandium tantalate<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_scandium_tantalate>,
>    a ceramic material
>
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2008 6:04 PM, Jimmy Wales < jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> > 12:01AM PST
> >
> > John McCormac wrote:
> > > When is the launch time tomorrow for Wikia Search? Is it 0000 Hrs GMT
> > or
> > > later in the day (California Time perhaps)?
> > >
> > > Regards...jmcc
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Search-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l
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>
>
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From jwales at wikia.com  Sun Jan  6 22:15:19 2008
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:15:19 -0500
Subject: [Search-l] launch time?
In-Reply-To: <39b08cc0801061307o54ed535apd1f7e308d06112f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47812574.8020609@hackwatch.com> <4781424A.5050909@wikia.com>
	<39b08cc0801061307o54ed535apd1f7e308d06112f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <478152F7.6040503@wikia.com>

:-)

Pacific Standard Time.

Gabriel Medina wrote:
> PST?!
> 
>  From Wikipedia
> 
> *PST* may refer to:
> 
>     * Pacific Standard Time
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Standard_Time>, UTC?8:00
>     * Paired Selected Ternary
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paired_Selected_Ternary&action=edit>,
>       a pulse transmission plan
>     * Pakistan Standard Time
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Standard_Time>, UTC+5:00
>     * /Patient Service Technician /, a job title given to a nursing
>       assistant <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_assistant>
>     * Philippine Standard Time
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Standard_Time>, UTC+8:00
>     * Planar Separator Theorem
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planar_Separator_Theorem&action=edit>,
>       a theorem in graph theory <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory>
>     * /Please Send Tell/, an online gaming term that indicates that the
>       person speaking wants to receive private communication
>     * Planescape: Torment
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planescape:_Torment>, a computer
>       role-playing game
>     * Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politiets_sikkerhetstjeneste>, the
>       Norwegian police security agency
>     * Post-stall technology
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-stall_technology>, aircraft
>       control system
>     * Pozna?ski Szybki Tramwaj
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84ski_Szybki_Tramwaj>, a
>       tram line in Pozna?, Poland
>     * Prestonpans railway station
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestonpans_railway_station>, East
>       Lothian, Scotland
>     * Provincial Sales Tax
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provincial_Sales_Tax>, a sales tax
>       in most Canadian provinces
>     * Program structure tree
>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_structure_tree>, a
>       hierarchical representation of computer program structure
>     * /Psst/,