[Search-l] POV aware searches (Was Re: NPOV for Search?)

[Brent Allsop]

Bryan Bishop wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 January 2008, Brent Allsop wrote:
>   
>> Yea, that sounds like a good idea.  Let me see if I'm following what
>> you're saying.  So perhaps you could use the quantifiable POV
>> canonized scores and rankings of web pages for search and stuff?  And
>> since the scores would be based on who you choose to trust, based on
>> what canonizer you have selected, you could better get what you want
>> from the search since higher scored pages, based on your selected
>> MPOV people (or just blind popularity for NPOV), would be given
>> priority?
>>     
>
> Somewhat. Jimmy mentioned in another email that he suspects this method 
> of relying on a person's social network will be a bad idea. I think I'd 
> have to agree. First of all, it would not be easy to change your 
> network if you suddenly wanted to take up the MPOV of a researcher, or 
> of a spy if you wanted to suddenly choose that. You wouldn't be able to 
> go get those friends and stuff, and that's just not right.
>
>   


The reputation system at http://canonizer.com is more based on what POV 
"camps" people are in on key topics.  If people support atheist MPOV 
camps, they can be given many votes by an Atheist canonizer (and 
everyone else's votes ignored).  Same for Mormons, people that believe 
in Qualia, or whatever.  This is what the personally selectable 
canonizers will use to determine how many votes they get for or against 
any page.

In reply to your query of how I think canonized data about web pages 
could be used to augment a search system:

Basically, the idea is that there can be canonized review topics for web 
pages with quantitative canonized numerical scores (both positive and 
negative) of their quality.

As we've discussed, soon we will be giving out free html plug in code 
that anyone can stick on blog posts, or newspaper editorial articles, or 
any web page or anything, that will basically be reduced views into the 
canonized POV topics at http://canonizer.com for that web page or 
whatever.  It will be a way for publishers to get free canonized comment 
systems for their articles, rather than a system that collects thousands 
of comments.  Such will provide external links back to them, enhancing 
their google ratings, and visa versa for the POV data in the Canonizer 
about that page.

Certainly, owners of some web pages will not want to promote the 
"canonized" page for their web page, if such is highly negative 
regardless of what Canonizer is used.  Yet people that think a page is 
of poor quality, misleading, or whatever, will be able to create such a 
canonized topic for such a page, whether the owner wants to acknowledge 
its existence or not.

Any search engine system could easily periodically download a set of 
canonized scores for pages with canonized information, and use such to 
enhance the search prioritizing systems.  Unlike Google's system that 
primarily relies on how many other references a page has, this system 
will know the difference between positive scores and negative scores.  
Also, a particular page may be highly ranked by atheists, and strongly 
negatively ranked by theists.  Of course, the Canonizer could help with 
all such, getting different people just what they want, based on their 
currently selected Canonizer, unlike any current system.

Also a search that produced a set of page results for a Transhumanist 
canonized search or whatever could also provide the associated links to 
canonized pages about them, along with their canonized scores, and so 
on.  Stumbled upon has a similar Google plug-in that shows stumbled upon 
only positive and non canonized 5 star rankings for pages in Google 
search results.


Brent Allsop




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