From jason at calacanis.com Sun Jun 1 01:30:39 2008 From: jason at calacanis.com (Jason Calacanis) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:30:39 -0700 Subject: [Search-l] Edit any page In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90805311319m4d918efdt3e491b37ea7e649a@mail.gmail.com> References: <70b3cf150805311238jc20778al1e3142ff14311d57@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90805311319m4d918efdt3e491b37ea7e649a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70b3cf150805311830p46af7457o3ccba1aaeb2defed@mail.gmail.com> > http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Tech/Open_Index. Right now ISC/Wikia > Search/whatever it's called has really crappy search results. But > adding it as an additional tab can't hurt, can it? Actually, adding crappy search results could/would hurt the Mahalo brand. The goal of Mahalo is to have spam-free results, and linking to something filled with spam or that's crappy might carry over to our brand. We're watching the results and hoping they get better... when they do, we'll add them I'm sure. best j --------------------- Jason McCabe Calacanis CEO, http://www.Mahalo.com Mobile: 310-456-4900 My blog: http://www.calacanis.com AOL IM/Skype: jasoncalacanis My admin: admin at calacanis.com From jason at calacanis.com Sun Jun 1 01:36:53 2008 From: jason at calacanis.com (Jason Calacanis) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:36:53 -0700 Subject: [Search-l] Edit any page In-Reply-To: <4841B131.1040104@gmail.com> References: <70b3cf150805311238jc20778al1e3142ff14311d57@mail.gmail.com> <4841B131.1040104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70b3cf150805311836k29c46497m719603fdd5c80472@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Sergio Monge wrote: > Wikipedia had (has) a powerful universal mission behind: create the free > universal online encyclopedia. A lot of folks will devote (in fact they > do) their time to this non-profit vision. They probably won't do for a > profit company. We've got a couple of hundred folks adding links to the system a day already, so it seems like folks will help build the system "for free." Of course, as Jimmy says "no one works for free." They are getting something out of it, it's different in each case. Of course, we see the user participation as the icing on the cake. We've got 400 paid folks helping build Mahalo (60 full-time), and that staff will grow to a couple of thousand paid editors over the next five years. Our vision is a New York Times or Dow Jones size staff building the site, with the public keeping us honest/checking out work. > You don't want the horrible editors than then become poor and so on. > Most of wikipedia is written by a small percentage of users: the core > community. You don't need the a lot of little contributors. If you get > the power-users, the great contributors, you can hope to get some > quantity of quality content. But I insist, you don't have the vision, > the universal mission of wikipedia. This is not about killer features. > It's about human beings and... belive it or not... ethics. I agree with all that. However, we have a paid staff looking at every edit, so none of the bad edits will make it through, and it will cost very little for us to deal with them (think pennies). > I think you won't get much collaboration (except from SEO/spammers) > unless you have a very enthusiastic, devoted community (as far as I know > you are working on it but at this time is not true). Nevertheless, I can > be wrong. I hope I am wrong. I really like your project. Good luck. We've got a great core group of users right now who love to submit links. You can see accepted links by person here: http://www.mahalo.com/Special:Mahalosocialrank?type=a and you can see recommend links here: http://www.mahalo.com/Special:Mahalosocialrank?type=s We've built a trust score based on these users contributions over the last six months, so we know who we have to keep on an eye on (i.e. folks with banned links), and we know who we should be hanging out with and sending free beach blankets too. :-) Over the next six months we will combine link reputation with Guide Note (miniarticles in Wikia speak) trust score... that is, which of your edits to the Guide Notes were accepted, declined, or banned. > Kind regards, > Sergio Monge right back at you Sergio! What's your Mahalo profile page? add me! http://www.mahalo.com/member/jasoncalacanis best j --------------------- Jason McCabe Calacanis CEO, http://www.Mahalo.com Mobile: 310-456-4900 My blog: http://www.calacanis.com AOL IM/Skype: jasoncalacanis My admin: admin at calacanis.com From monge.sergio at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 08:43:31 2008 From: monge.sergio at gmail.com (Sergio Monge) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:43:31 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] Edit any page In-Reply-To: <70b3cf150805311836k29c46497m719603fdd5c80472@mail.gmail.com> References: <70b3cf150805311238jc20778al1e3142ff14311d57@mail.gmail.com> <4841B131.1040104@gmail.com> <70b3cf150805311836k29c46497m719603fdd5c80472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48426133.9060701@gmail.com> > right back at you Sergio! What's your Mahalo profile page? add me! > http://www.mahalo.com/member/jasoncalacanis > Done! I had the profile since you created the Mahalo Social but I haven't been very active. I like sniffing but I have been quite busy last year. Sergio From dan at wikia.com Mon Jun 2 21:28:04 2008 From: dan at wikia.com (Dan Lewis) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:28:04 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] June 3, 2008 Search update Message-ID: Here is what the Search team worked on this week. Operations: * Fought a lot of index searching code * Improving mulicast code * Began exploring building a newer version of hbase * Added caching and fixed misc errors in search JSON. Index: * Improved Wikipedia results widget * Starting human improvement on top keywords Nutch: * Helped fix a tika bug in Nutch 1 * Changed Nutch 2 crawler to use commons httpclient 4.x * Implemented gzip processing * Implemented https processing * Implemented manual handling and storage of redirect info * Improved Nutch 2 serialization libraries -- allowed arbitrary object creation, created finctions to allow non-default constructor object creation, and allowed serialing of object fields from serialization implementations Social Tools: * Added RSS feeds for user activity * Re-worked notifications Search Tools: * Re-worked main page * Made related searches graphic * Changed the "See results from" into favicons * Added language support * Added RSS feeds for search results * Drafted copyright policy * Annotations now give instant feedback * Links can be added into annotations * Added sorting based on star rating * Re-incorporated and improved handling of Mini articles * Added fun stuff -- Mapped Changes, Live Changes, The Faviconnery, Micro Results, Bloom, Clippy, Texter * Lots of cross-browser testing and bug swatting From bryanprandall at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 08:12:04 2008 From: bryanprandall at gmail.com (Bryan Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:12:04 -0700 Subject: [Search-l] Old markets and methods vs. new In-Reply-To: <70b3cf150805291956t2b23f98ap620293f7b6f7331c@mail.gmail.com> References: <355a36af0805271134t5201b5berf60daeebcba25bd7@mail.gmail.com> <70b3cf150805281417t265a8bcekb13c1a90f3f808df@mail.gmail.com> <483DD76B.9050406@wikia.com> <1891027556-1212016215-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-922212593-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <355a36af0805281625u6548847bl19e1c097a4f615d0@mail.gmail.com> <183541377-1212022612-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1508445096-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <355a36af0805291538u27637712me69122bbe7c820e8@mail.gmail.com> <70b3cf150805291956t2b23f98ap620293f7b6f7331c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok, I'll bite ?.Here's my two cent rant (dream)? What's motivating the internet search industry? Is it the desire to help people? Is it the desire to save people some time while allowing them to find what it is they are looking for? Is the desire to treat users fairly in all regards? Is it the desire to align internet data, services, etc so that the internet and search technology can progress as fast as possible and live up to its potential sooner rather than later? No. The major desire and motivating factor is too make money and maintain control of the internet environment. That's why those who already have money and majority control will remain most successful. Those with the most money are going to win the money game. What if a search engines motivating factors were much different though? What if one of a search engine's primary motivating factors was the desire to help people perform better and more useful searches? What if a primary motivating factor for a search engine was to treat internet searchers with fairness in all regards? With those intentions as the primary motivators, I believe a truly useful, efficient, popular, etc search engine could be created quite simply. Coincidentally, I believe that a search engine with those primary motivations would also make lots of money (despite what traditional business paradigms say about fairness, etc in regards to the bottom line). What if instead of trying to dream up new fangled ways of doing something as simple as create a large online database (search engine), a search company was just exceedingly dedicated to its internet searchers (those who ultimately make or break any search engine) and to the intentions briefly described above? What if a search company put people and quality above profit? Gasp?. I don't mean like corporations do (which is to say they don't really they just say they do to sell more of whatever it is they are selling), but I mean really and truly make those intentions the primary motivating factors of the search engine? I believe internet searchers deserve nothing less. When someone searches the internet they are performing a service for the search engine. Why not pay them (directly or indirectly)? They are the ones arranging the search engine's database (as their search queries update data files) in the most contextually (socially, etc) relevant way. Why do internet searchers currently get less than nothing (when adjusted for big-picture economics) to perform a service for search engines (and make the owners rich)? Why do only a few people get to keep the trillions of dollars of profit generated by search engines? The bottom line is that without internet searchers, search engines are useless. Yes, I know, im sure the search execs are saying, "but we offer you a useful a service and we give you free things like online storage, email, documents, etc? Why are you complaining? You are our customer and we LOVE you? Our feelings are hurt that you would even think such selfish thoughts L" The 'realists' are saying, "why do birds have wings? Why are some people rich and some people poor? Why don't you just be a good citizen and do what everybody else does? Who do you think you are? Quit complaining, you're not special. You are just like everyone else and the status quo is always right, so just shut up. How dare you propose some kind of 'disruptive' (what exactly does that mean btw) idea / technology ? be careful? you know what happened to the last person with a 'disruptive' idea, right?" While I must admit that I am impressed with the amount of services Google (and others) offer their users, how tiny is the fraction of their revenue that is actually required / used to provide those services? Money aside, what is the price internet searchers pay in lost efficiency, wasted time, etc due to the fact that these traditional search engines are set up to make themselves more money, not to perform searches in the best way (for the user) possible? The most popular search websites are simply search engines of its customer lists. It is next to impossible to find anything of real value (unless you don't mind getting the same large companies / websites returned for just about every search you perform) when searching on most search engines. These search engines do little more than scratch the surface of the surface of the surface of the information the internet provides. It really doesn't have to be that way though. What if a user could search any search engine and get useful search results? What if a user could click any ad-link (on any website) and have the revenue directed to a company of his or her choice or even go back to the user? Of course the technology already exists to do this and search engines know this so they created "search for donation" sites that pay charity a less than a minuscule donation when you search on those sites. Of course these sites only superficially placate users enough to prevent them from expecting more from search engines and to prevent them from creating a better solution themselves. These sites are merely jetsam. Although every bit of money donated to charity helps, donating to charity is not the primary goal of these sites. Also, there were the now-failed companies that paid users to "surf" the net. But these companies were built on the infra structure and with the same intentions of the current search paradigm and so were irrelevant and wrought with click / ad fraud, etc (hence the failure). Regarding ideas: My dad used to say that, "ideas are like a--holes. Everyone's got one and they all stink." Actually, I think he used to say that, "excuses are like a--holes ?" but 'idea' works just as well in that metaphor. Honestly, there are many simple solutions (ideas) to the search "problem". None of those ideas that have money as the primary motivating factor will 'beat' the incumbents. On the other hand, just about any idea that makes fairness, quality, efficiency, etc its goal will succeed (with or without money)?. I've thought of a few. If anyone is interested in implementing them send me an email?. Take Care, Bryan Randall On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jason Calacanis wrote: > > a large number of people - If the company doesn't have to be big, you > don't > > need a lot of people. I think Craigslist (for just one example), which > is a > > huge service, has a staff of 25? And it started out smaller than that. > > Yes, that is a great example of a service that was built of a long > time very slowly. Of course, when they started they didn't have > competition to speak of. > > If you look at the search space Wikia, PowerSet, and Mahalo are coming > into a space where there are MANY excellent search options. Google and > Yahoo are doing AMAZING things in search... and they are working on > thousands of significant improvements all the time. > > Search is a very mature space with a lot of revenue at stake... it's > not classifieds in 1996. > > > Okay, sure... but if you don't need all that capital in the first > place... > > Actually, what you need that capital for is *marketing*. > > Not true actually. > > Google, YouTube, and Weblogs, Inc. spent exactly nothing on marketing. > The best products on the web spread by work of mouth or some viral > component (think syndication of videos in YouTube's case). > > Mahalo is spending exactly zero on marketing. > > Ask.com spent $100m on marketing last year and didn't change their > share of search. > > > I think ideas are more important than you seem to - without ideas you've > got > > nada - but your point about execution is a good one. > > Most folks over emphasize the importance of ideas. It's human nature. :-) > > >> In terms of specific ideas if you make a list of them I will tell you > >> exactly how likely they are to work on a percentage basis.* > > Hah! I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take you seriously, or not!? > > Not kidding at all. Make a list and I will give you the exact > percentage chance that it will work... but only to two decimal points. > :-) > > > users. Does it have to work this way? No. Mahalo does the same thing - > > reinforces the position of the incumbents. Users would be better served > by > > an intelligent (whether computer powered, or human powered) system that > is > > constantly on the lookout for for the *best* resources, whether they be > new > > or old. > > If you're saying that it takes a long time to get people to switch you > are absolutely correct. Incumbents have a huge advantage because > people are lazy and they will not switch services EVEN IF the new > service is better. There are people using AOL Mail at this very moment > in fact. > > That is why it is so important to create a product that is 2-3x better > than the incumbents... not 2-3% better. If you compare PowerSet's > current offering it is--in most cases--no different than searching in > Google with the "site:wikipedia.org" parameter. in fact, it's worse as > often as it is better. > > Making something better than Google/Yahoo/MSN is a five to ten year > project. Look forward to discussing it with you during that time. > > all the best, Jason > --------------------- > Jason McCabe Calacanis > CEO, http://www.Mahalo.com > Mobile: 310-456-4900 > My blog: http://www.calacanis.com > AOL IM/Skype: jasoncalacanis > My admin: admin at calacanis.com > _______________________________________________ > Wikia Search mailing list > http://alpha.search.wikia.com/ > Change options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From allen at centernetworks.com Tue Jun 3 16:45:36 2008 From: allen at centernetworks.com (Allen Stern) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:45:36 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] New launch In-Reply-To: <484552F5.4040202@wikia.com> References: <484552F5.4040202@wikia.com> Message-ID: <48457530.3090106@centernetworks.com> Here's mine: http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-updates-wikia-search Jimmy Wales wrote: > Just pinging this list to make sure everyone here is seeing the new > launch today... lots of new features, new and much better index, etc. > > Getting favorable reviews so far... > _______________________________________________ > Wikia Search mailing list > http://alpha.search.wikia.com/ > Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l > > -- Allen Stern - CenterNetworks http://www.centernetworks.com Have you subscribed to our RSS Feed? http://feeds.feedburner.com/Centernetworks- From newsmarkie at googlemail.com Wed Jun 4 09:41:51 2008 From: newsmarkie at googlemail.com (Mark (Markie)) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:41:51 +0100 Subject: [Search-l] Branding Message-ID: Hi all Just a point of thought here over whether the project is called "Search Wikia" or "Wikia Search". Some things say one others say the opposite, so i was wondering if we could get feedback on what the official version is? http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Search_Wikia is search wikia but then the line below says welcome to wikia search, but then the line two below that says search wikia again. emails for notifications come from Wikia Search, yet this mailing list is for search wikia. Search Wikia - Global Changes - A New Way to Search: in the window titles on pages, yet the logo (if logically read from top to bottom) reads Wikia Search. Also all the legal pages show Wikia Search (eg. Welcome to Wika Search (the "Service", operated by Wikia, Inc. ("Wikia" or the "Company").", yet when you click the logo top right it takes you to search wikia arrghh the mind boggles :-p i know its only a small thing but i think its something we need to sort, the name of the product :-p regards mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Angela From newsmarkie at googlemail.com Wed Jun 4 11:06:19 2008 From: newsmarkie at googlemail.com (Mark (Markie)) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:06:19 +0100 Subject: [Search-l] BBC News: Google accused over privacy law Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7434558.stm heh regards mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/attachments/20080604/ee8e6e46/attachment.html From newsmarkie at googlemail.com Wed Jun 4 12:44:44 2008 From: newsmarkie at googlemail.com (Mark (Markie)) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:44:44 +0100 Subject: [Search-l] New launch In-Reply-To: <484552F5.4040202@wikia.com> References: <484552F5.4040202@wikia.com> Message-ID: yup looks great :-D thanks for all the work :-) post @ http://searchwikia.wordpress.com/ has lots of details for those who may not be up to date, and also a video of some of the new updates :-) regards mark On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > Just pinging this list to make sure everyone here is seeing the new > launch today... lots of new features, new and much better index, etc. > > Getting favorable reviews so far... > _______________________________________________ > Wikia Search mailing list > http://alpha.search.wikia.com/ > Change options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/attachments/20080604/74a6afb4/attachment.html From aaron.wright at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 12:56:02 2008 From: aaron.wright at gmail.com (Aaron Wright) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:56:02 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] Branding In-Reply-To: <8b722b800806040329y4b597e87oa11ca72f3fa7f243@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b722b800806040329y4b597e87oa11ca72f3fa7f243@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Markie, great call. The official name for the project is called "Wikia Search." The titles to the pages are incorrect and will be fixed by the end of the day today. We will also look into changing the main page of the wiki. Angela, we checked out Google Fight before making the decision too! I think that's another great idea for the "fun" section. --Aaron On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Angela wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Mark (Markie) wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Just a point of thought here over whether the project is called "Search >> Wikia" or "Wikia Search". Some things say one others say the opposite, so i >> was wondering if we could get feedback on what the official version is? > > That's a really good question. The press release uses both: > . > > "Wikia Search" wins on Google fight: > > > (and why don't we have a tool like that?) > > Angela > _______________________________________________ > Wikia Search mailing list > http://re.search.wikia.com/ > Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l > From jwales at wikia.com Wed Jun 4 14:10:13 2008 From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:10:13 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] Branding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4846A245.7070102@wikia.com> Should be Wikia Search, everywhere. We have to find all the old versions and kill them. :-) Mark (Markie) wrote: > Hi all > > Just a point of thought here over whether the project is called "Search > Wikia" or "Wikia Search". Some things say one others say the opposite, > so i was wondering if we could get feedback on what the official version is? > > http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Search_Wikia is search wikia but then the > line below says welcome to wikia search, but then the line two below > that says search wikia again. > > emails for notifications come from Wikia Search, yet this mailing list > is for search wikia. > > Search Wikia - Global Changes - A New Way to Search: in the window > titles on pages, yet the logo (if logically read from top to bottom) > reads Wikia Search. > > Also all the legal pages show Wikia Search (eg. Welcome to Wika Search > (the "Service", operated by Wikia, Inc. ("Wikia" or the "Company").", > yet when you click the logo top right it takes you to search wikia > > arrghh the mind boggles :-p i know its only a small thing but i think > its something we need to sort, the name of the product :-p > > regards > > mark From newsmarkie at googlemail.com Wed Jun 4 14:20:58 2008 From: newsmarkie at googlemail.com (Mark (Markie)) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:20:58 +0100 Subject: [Search-l] Branding In-Reply-To: <4846A245.7070102@wikia.com> References: <4846A245.7070102@wikia.com> Message-ID: hehe cheers all for the definitive answer :-) regards mark On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > Should be Wikia Search, everywhere. We have to find all the old versions > and kill them. :-) > > > Mark (Markie) wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Just a point of thought here over whether the project is called "Search >> Wikia" or "Wikia Search". Some things say one others say the opposite, so i >> was wondering if we could get feedback on what the official version is? >> >> http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Search_Wikia is search wikia but then the >> line below says welcome to wikia search, but then the line two below that >> says search wikia again. >> >> emails for notifications come from Wikia Search, yet this mailing list is >> for search wikia. >> >> Search Wikia - Global Changes - A New Way to Search: in the window titles >> on pages, yet the logo (if logically read from top to bottom) reads Wikia >> Search. >> >> Also all the legal pages show Wikia Search (eg. Welcome to Wika Search >> (the "Service", operated by Wikia, Inc. ("Wikia" or the "Company").", yet >> when you click the logo top right it takes you to search wikia >> >> arrghh the mind boggles :-p i know its only a small thing but i think its >> something we need to sort, the name of the product :-p >> >> regards >> >> mark >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/attachments/20080604/d6fcf99f/attachment.html From aerik at thesylvans.com Wed Jun 4 17:08:01 2008 From: aerik at thesylvans.com (Aerik Sylvan) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:08:01 -0700 Subject: [Search-l] New launch In-Reply-To: <484552F5.4040202@wikia.com> References: <484552F5.4040202@wikia.com> Message-ID: <355a36af0806041008k178e5658i4f9fec88423230c7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > Just pinging this list to make sure everyone here is seeing the new > launch today... lots of new features, new and much better index, etc. > > Getting favorable reviews so far... > > Cool! looks like a lot of progress in the right direction. I love the stars, and the ability to add results. I'm curious about a technical aspect of it - adding a result is easy (it's just a Lucene document add, I'd expect), but how do you handle the stars? I'm theorizing that the stars are a weight that is applied to the search term (and the search term is a term in a field in Lucene) - are you operating directly on the lucene index at a low level, or applying the weight in some kind of secondary sorting operation? I only know a little about Lucene, but I'm trying to soak up more ;-) Keep up the good work, Aerik -- http://www.wikidweb.com - the Wiki Directory of the Web http://tagthis.info - Hosted Tagging for your website! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/attachments/20080604/ecc16f1c/attachment.html From jeremie at jabber.org Wed Jun 4 17:51:49 2008 From: jeremie at jabber.org (Jeremie Miller) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:51:49 -0500 Subject: [Search-l] New launch In-Reply-To: <355a36af0806041008k178e5658i4f9fec88423230c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <484552F5.4040202@wikia.com> <355a36af0806041008k178e5658i4f9fec88423230c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <770056DE-E556-45B6-AF2C-46720CD1E6A5@jabber.org> It's all stored in hbase (http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Hbase) via a wrapper called KT (http://svn.swlabs.org/kt/) that exposes a JSON interface to the hbase schema :) On Jun 4, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Aerik Sylvan wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > Just pinging this list to make sure everyone here is seeing the new > launch today... lots of new features, new and much better index, etc. > > Getting favorable reviews so far... > > > Cool! looks like a lot of progress in the right direction. I love > the stars, and the ability to add results. > > I'm curious about a technical aspect of it - adding a result is easy > (it's just a Lucene document add, I'd expect), but how do you handle > the stars? I'm theorizing that the stars are a weight that is > applied to the search term (and the search term is a term in a field > in Lucene) - are you operating directly on the lucene index at a low > level, or applying the weight in some kind of secondary sorting > operation? I only know a little about Lucene, but I'm trying to > soak up more ;-) > > Keep up the good work, > Aerik > > -- > http://www.wikidweb.com - the Wiki Directory of the Web > http://tagthis.info - Hosted Tagging for your website! > _______________________________________________ > Wikia Search mailing list > http://re.search.wikia.com/ > Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l From jwales at wikia.com Wed Jun 4 18:01:01 2008 From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:01:01 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] New launch In-Reply-To: <770056DE-E556-45B6-AF2C-46720CD1E6A5@jabber.org> References: <484552F5.4040202@wikia.com> <355a36af0806041008k178e5658i4f9fec88423230c7@mail.gmail.com> <770056DE-E556-45B6-AF2C-46720CD1E6A5@jabber.org> Message-ID: <4846D85D.8030303@wikia.com> Jeremie Miller wrote: > It's all stored in hbase (http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Hbase) via a > wrapper called KT (http://svn.swlabs.org/kt/) that exposes a JSON > interface to the hbase schema :) Another way of saying it, and we will test my understanding of the technical details here, is that the highlighting, annotating, and star-rating stuff is a layer on top of lucene/nutch. It does not directly affect lucene at all. --Jimbo From faigos at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 19:16:14 2008 From: faigos at gmail.com (Fajro) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:16:14 -0300 Subject: [Search-l] Branding In-Reply-To: <8b722b800806040329y4b597e87oa11ca72f3fa7f243@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b722b800806040329y4b597e87oa11ca72f3fa7f243@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78eaa86e0806041216uc4a9467lbba14a9a9d5fe006@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Angela wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Mark (Markie) wrote: > > "Wikia Search" wins on Google fight: > > > (and why don't we have a tool like that?) A tool similar to http://bestthing.info/ would be very useful in Wikia Search. Instead of "Which is better?" you could use "Which is most accurate?" :) -- ? ?ajro ? IM: fajro at jabber.org Lernu! - http://www.lernu.net From jwales at wikia.com Wed Jun 11 16:56:49 2008 From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:56:49 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] May 20, 2008 Update In-Reply-To: <4f8a4c2c0805221204p4196c5a2o8045baf148c28e88@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f8a4c2c0805221204p4196c5a2o8045baf148c28e88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485003D1.8000906@wikia.com> Mahavir Saran Jain wrote: > Thanks.impressed.Please improve for Hindi language & Dev nagri script . > Mahavir Can you help us translate the interface? This is something we really need. We are seeing a TON of non-English traffic and editing going on, and Jer is working on getting it all split out appropriately, probably this week. But we need help translating the string tables... Dan is looking to coordinate people who are eager to help with this. From alvaro at alvaro-martinez.net Wed Jun 11 20:08:52 2008 From: alvaro at alvaro-martinez.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1lvaro_Mart=EDnez_Majado?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:08:52 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] May 20, 2008 Update In-Reply-To: <485003D1.8000906@wikia.com> References: <4f8a4c2c0805221204p4196c5a2o8045baf148c28e88@mail.gmail.com> <485003D1.8000906@wikia.com> Message-ID: <485030D4.1010402@alvaro-martinez.net> En/na Jimmy Wales ha escrit: > Mahavir Saran Jain wrote: >> Thanks.impressed.Please improve for Hindi language & Dev nagri script . >> Mahavir > > Can you help us translate the interface? > > This is something we really need. We are seeing a TON of non-English > traffic and editing going on, and Jer is working on getting it all split > out appropriately, probably this week. > > But we need help translating the string tables... Dan is looking to > coordinate people who are eager to help with this. Some Catalan-speaking users are also interested in translating the interface into Catalan. Greetings, ?lvaro. From dan at wikia.com Wed Jun 18 16:29:49 2008 From: dan at wikia.com (Dan Lewis) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:29:49 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] Search Team Update: June 18, 2008 Message-ID: Here's what the Wikia Search team worked on last week. Nutch 2: * Completed LinkAnalysis tool for web ranking. This is a big one -- it allows Wikia Search to recognize the value of web pages based on the other pages that link to it. Specifically: 1) There's an OutlinkDb tool to create an outlink database 2) There's a LinkAnalysis tool for pagerank type ranking scores within Nutch 3) There's a display tool to view the inlinks and outlinks of a given URL * Started LinkFarm analysis to remove link farm spam Search Tools: * Started work on creating bookmarklets * Added dismissable message and associated files to make Search the browser's default search * Added google ads * Working on outputting search data to a metrics package which will be publicly viewable * Made minor enhancements mapped changes * Fixed timestamp error which affected recent changes * Added keyword browser to Fun tab * Added ability to delete URLs from activity pages * Improved annotations for IE6, IE7, and Opera * Fixed hiding and showing of logo when one toggles through related changes * Began language filtering tools * Started work on preliminary keyword controls * Improved bug report form * Figuring out how to do grouping for collaborative tools * Initial prep work to continually update results page looking for new changes * Ongoing annotation hiding/editing * Deployed Internationalization filtering of KT * KT loads are now background threaded * Developed preliminary keyboard control experiments * Developed preliminary library for starlets (bookmarkets/favlets) Social Tools: * Patched relationship.js * Continuted to improve use of real names throughout interface * Fixed "avoid" functionality * Created and style anonymous user page * Added Wall to anon user pages * Fixed "What are you doing?" bug * Fixed "Nudge" bug * Added blocking functionality * Added "invite friends" link to header * Improved privacy options -- if you don't want to be messaged, you can prevent that; if you don't want people to see your friends, you can prevent that Operations: * Made tweak to improve search results page performance * Page performance should be improved when there are multiple search results now * Started work on tools to close the KT <==> nutch loop * Improved the DB backup tools for KT * SA support for the new grub site From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Jun 19 18:24:19 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:24:19 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] Edit any page In-Reply-To: <70b3cf150805311238jc20778al1e3142ff14311d57@mail.gmail.com> (Jason Calacanis's message of "Sat, 31 May 2008 12:38:40 -0700") References: <70b3cf150805311238jc20778al1e3142ff14311d57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87y751i8q4.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> "Jason Calacanis" writes: > we've made it so you can edit any page on Mahalo This list is not for advertising. At least not for a project that don't share any of the ethics of any projects related to this list. -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From balinny at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 21:43:41 2008 From: balinny at gmail.com (Balinny) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:43:41 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] Edit any page In-Reply-To: <87y751i8q4.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <70b3cf150805311238jc20778al1e3142ff14311d57@mail.gmail.com> <87y751i8q4.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <485AD30D.4000201@gmail.com> Esben Stien writes: > "Jason Calacanis" writes >> we've made it so you can edit any page on Mahalo >> > > This list is not for advertising. At least not for a project that > don't share any of the ethics of any projects related to this list. > Quite late for saying that, isn't? That announcement fell into the topic of search business, which has been discussed in the past. A bit spammy? Granted. But that doesn't excuse you being rude. From aaron.wright at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 17:16:22 2008 From: aaron.wright at gmail.com (Aaron Wright) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:16:22 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] Site Statistics Live Message-ID: Wikia Search's Site Statistics are live, as well as some preliminary "Site Tools"! You can check them out here: http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/queries.html (or by clicking the community tab then site statistics). ===Highlights of Statistics=== * Now we have basic statistics for queries, contributions, and the social network. * All of the statistics can be viewed on a daily or monthly basis * You can easily view a range of statistics by simply dragging the slider under the graphs * For any date range you will be provided with an average, the change in average, the min and max for the range, as well as the standard deviation ===Site Tools== * Most Queries: http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/topqueries.html * Most Contributions: http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/topkeywords.html * Recent Top Queries, a list of most recently queried keywords (over the past 6 hours): http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/recentqueries.html * Recent Top Contributions, a list of search results with the most recent contributions (over the past 6 hours): http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/recentkeywords.html * Added list of most "wanted" pages, meaning keywords in the top 250 queries from the Recent Top Queries that do not appear in the top 250 keywords from the Recent Top Contributions over the the last 6 hours: http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/wantedpages.html * Trends for keywords, e.g., http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/querytrends.html?query=wikia&lang=en Thanks to the tremendous effort by Ashish and Dennis. Thanks, Aaron From rainer.blome at gmx.de Tue Jun 24 19:54:24 2008 From: rainer.blome at gmx.de (Rainer Blome) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:54:24 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] Site Statistics Live In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <486150F0.10304@gmx.de> Aaron Wright wrote: > Wikia Search's Site Statistics are live, Super! > * You can easily view a range of statistics by simply dragging the > slider under the graphs Nice. The Graphs are apparently drawn by the server. It would be cool if they were drawn on the client, allowing the interactive feel of much of the rest of the site. Is there a way to draw such a Graph using only ECMAScript? Java could do this, but would be heavier (and may be more work to support). > * Added list of most "wanted" pages, meaning keywords in the top 250 > queries from the Recent Top Queries that do not appear in the top 250 > keywords from the Recent Top Contributions over the the last 6 hours: > http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/wantedpages.html So, a site is either wanted or not. However, the page shows an ordered (numbered) list. Is the order meaningful? If so, what does it mean? > * Trends for keywords, e.g., > http://re.search.wikia.com/metrics/querytrends.html?query=wikia&lang=en Interesting. Rainer From aaron.wright at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 20:03:51 2008 From: aaron.wright at gmail.com (Aaron Wright) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:03:51 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] Site Statistics Live In-Reply-To: <486150F0.10304@gmx.de> References: <486150F0.10304@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Rainer Blome wrote: > Nice. The Graphs are apparently drawn by the server. It would be cool > if they were drawn on the client, allowing the interactive feel of much > of the rest of the site. Is there a way to draw such a Graph using only > ECMAScript? Java could do this, but would be heavier (and may be more > work to support). Good point. I'll check out ECMA or something comparable. > So, a site is either wanted or not. However, the page shows an ordered > (numbered) list. Is the order meaningful? If so, what does it mean? It's still a bit rough. The list is only ordered by the most queried keyword. I will clarify this in the text blurb on the top of the page. --Aaron From aerik at thesylvans.com Tue Jun 24 21:50:46 2008 From: aerik at thesylvans.com (Aerik Sylvan) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:50:46 -0700 Subject: [Search-l] Old markets and methods vs. new In-Reply-To: <70b3cf150805291956t2b23f98ap620293f7b6f7331c@mail.gmail.com> References: <355a36af0805271134t5201b5berf60daeebcba25bd7@mail.gmail.com> <70b3cf150805281417t265a8bcekb13c1a90f3f808df@mail.gmail.com> <483DD76B.9050406@wikia.com> <1891027556-1212016215-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-922212593-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <355a36af0805281625u6548847bl19e1c097a4f615d0@mail.gmail.com> <183541377-1212022612-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1508445096-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <355a36af0805291538u27637712me69122bbe7c820e8@mail.gmail.com> <70b3cf150805291956t2b23f98ap620293f7b6f7331c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <355a36af0806241450l6be3730x1c8131c5d2e6c91c@mail.gmail.com> I know we beat this thread up pretty good, but I just read something on "WebPro News" (not necessarily a definitive, high-profile source, I know) that brought me back to it. Here's the excerpt: Big companies were reluctant a few years back to shift a significant amount of their advertising budgets to search marketing. This reluctance made conditions perfect for small businesses to take advantage of Google's relevancy at bargain basement prices while Google built its reputation and search share. But big companies wised up, making competition for ad space even fiercer. Those big budgets provided a big advantage in organic results, too. While bootstrappy, budget-conscious companies tweaked and tested and gamed to get better organic placement, large companies realized pretty fast it was easier just to buy a site already ranking for relevant keywords. Exactly the points I was trying to make, particularly with respect to dollar generally spent on *marketing*. Jason, you and Jimmy are kind of special cases - you both have some celebrity that substitutes nicely for money. But Jason, I've read and re-read your input, and I've got to admit, you've got some great points: - First to market is important because people don't tend to move out of their comfort zone - Execution of a good idea is very important - without good execution, the idea is worthless Also, reading between the lines, we touched on the topic that competing with a big business in the same space is a big project. Absolutely. But I want to try to talk about something slightly more abstract than that. The big search engines and other portals account for some large percentage of internet traffic. And most search results point to big, entrenched players for search results. They're the head of a long tail distribution. But there is a lot of stuff out there that people would find valuable if they knew about it. This brings up two topics, or perhaps two faces of the same thing: Better search will help people find resources that fit them better personally. This is the holy grail of personalized search, I suppose. But here's the other thing: all those small resources out on the tail are fighting the big guys for eyeballs. It's not just the ability of search to find them (relevancy), but also something else, and that's that uphill battle with the entrenched players I'm talking about. So I think one dynamic is that the algorithms for trying to improve your signal to noise (relevancy) tend to squelch a lot of the small players. So I think there are opportunities to influence the overall dynamic and culture of the internet with community driven content, and also with open content. There's ton's of really interesting data locked away (del.ico.us's bookmarks, for example, which are protected by their terms of use) that could be harnessed to find relevant content with minimal squelch. But I think there are bigger things possible than that. I loved reading Jer's vision for Atlas. There's a whole Data Portability movement growing that dances to the same beat. So, okay, Mahalo is going to share data and stuff, and that's cool. And everybody and their grandma is trying to figure out how to harness community generated content to make a buck (and maybe change the world, but usually "make a buck" comes first). But Mahalo is still creating entrenched players. Digg, Fark, and Slashdot are all cool because they bubble cool new things to the top. I think that that mode of thinking is where there could be some opportunity for interesting innovation (if it's well executed :-)). I think shared information (a la Atlas, RDF data of all sorts) and cheap storage and computing mean that pretty soon, a lot of data is going to be available to a lot of people, and there will be some success stories in using community created content, sharing it, analyzing it, and serving up fresh new content and relevant information with algorithms that have a low squelch factor. But as Jason points out, it will have to be well done, and the guys who do it first will have an edge... Well... that's enough babbling for now... Aerik On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jason Calacanis wrote: > > a large number of people - If the company doesn't have to be big, you > don't > > need a lot of people. I think Craigslist (for just one example), which > is a > > huge service, has a staff of 25? And it started out smaller than that. > > Yes, that is a great example of a service that was built of a long > time very slowly. Of course, when they started they didn't have > competition to speak of. > > If you look at the search space Wikia, PowerSet, and Mahalo are coming > into a space where there are MANY excellent search options. Google and > Yahoo are doing AMAZING things in search... and they are working on > thousands of significant improvements all the time. > > Search is a very mature space with a lot of revenue at stake... it's > not classifieds in 1996. > > > Okay, sure... but if you don't need all that capital in the first > place... > > Actually, what you need that capital for is *marketing*. > > Not true actually. > > Google, YouTube, and Weblogs, Inc. spent exactly nothing on marketing. > The best products on the web spread by work of mouth or some viral > component (think syndication of videos in YouTube's case). > > Mahalo is spending exactly zero on marketing. > > Ask.com spent $100m on marketing last year and didn't change their > share of search. > > > I think ideas are more important than you seem to - without ideas you've > got > > nada - but your point about execution is a good one. > > Most folks over emphasize the importance of ideas. It's human nature. :-) > > >> In terms of specific ideas if you make a list of them I will tell you > >> exactly how likely they are to work on a percentage basis.* > > Hah! I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take you seriously, or not!? > > Not kidding at all. Make a list and I will give you the exact > percentage chance that it will work... but only to two decimal points. > :-) > > > users. Does it have to work this way? No. Mahalo does the same thing - > > reinforces the position of the incumbents. Users would be better served > by > > an intelligent (whether computer powered, or human powered) system that > is > > constantly on the lookout for for the *best* resources, whether they be > new > > or old. > > If you're saying that it takes a long time to get people to switch you > are absolutely correct. Incumbents have a huge advantage because > people are lazy and they will not switch services EVEN IF the new > service is better. There are people using AOL Mail at this very moment > in fact. > > That is why it is so important to create a product that is 2-3x better > than the incumbents... not 2-3% better. If you compare PowerSet's > current offering it is--in most cases--no different than searching in > Google with the "site:wikipedia.org" parameter. in fact, it's worse as > often as it is better. > > Making something better than Google/Yahoo/MSN is a five to ten year > project. Look forward to discussing it with you during that time. > > all the best, Jason > --------------------- > Jason McCabe Calacanis > CEO, http://www.Mahalo.com > Mobile: 310-456-4900 > My blog: http://www.calacanis.com > AOL IM/Skype: jasoncalacanis > My admin: admin at calacanis.com > -- http://www.wikidweb.com - the Wiki Directory of the Web http://tagthis.info - Hosted Tagging for your website! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/attachments/20080624/56c6bbdb/attachment.html From balinny at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 00:34:46 2008 From: balinny at gmail.com (Balinny) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:34:46 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] Site Statistics Live In-Reply-To: <486150F0.10304@gmx.de> References: <486150F0.10304@gmx.de> Message-ID: <486192A6.9060900@gmail.com> Rainer Blome wrote: >> * You can easily view a range of statistics by simply dragging the >> slider under the graphs >> > > Nice. The Graphs are apparently drawn by the server. It would be cool > if they were drawn on the client, allowing the interactive feel of much > of the rest of the site. Is there a way to draw such a Graph using only > ECMAScript? Java could do this, but would be heavier (and may be more > work to support). You could draw the graph on the client using svg. But as IE doesn't support svg without adobe plugin and would need to fallback to vml... From swaroop at swaroopch.com Wed Jun 25 01:41:52 2008 From: swaroop at swaroopch.com (Swaroop C H) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:11:52 +0530 Subject: [Search-l] Site Statistics Live In-Reply-To: <486192A6.9060900@gmail.com> References: <486150F0.10304@gmx.de> <486192A6.9060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <351e88710806241841n6b921b6h2ba19ff156956d9f@mail.gmail.com> >> Nice. The Graphs are apparently drawn by the server. It would be cool >> if they were drawn on the client, allowing the interactive feel of much >> of the rest of the site. Is there a way to draw such a Graph using only >> ECMAScript? Java could do this, but would be heavier (and may be more >> work to support). > > You could draw the graph on the client using svg. But as IE doesn't > support svg without adobe > plugin and would need to fallback to vml... One possibility is to use processing.js - http://ejohn.org/blog/processingjs/ See http://www.obsessing.org as an example. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with JavaScript, so can't comment much on the practical aspects. Regards, Swaroop From gregor.urech at zeix.com Wed Jun 25 02:00:39 2008 From: gregor.urech at zeix.com (gregor.urech at zeix.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:00:39 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] Gregor Urech ist abwesend Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 20.06.2008 and will not return until 14.07.2008. Ich bin bis am Montag 14.07.2008 nicht im B?ro. Ihr E-Mail wird nicht gelesen oder weitergeleitet. Bei dringenden Anfragen wenden Sie sich bitte an Frau Ina Hedwiger (ina.hedwiger at zeix.com) oder Herr Beat vonGunten (beat.vongunten at zeix.com). Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen Gregor Urech _________________________________________________________________ Gregor Urech Partner Zeix AG, Badenerstrasse 65 Postfach 2522, CH-8026 Z?rich direkt +41 44 247 78 72 zentral +41 44 247 78 78 mobil +41 78 737 87 44 skype gurech gregor.urech at zeix.com www.zeix.com _________________________________________________________________ Zeix AG ? Agentur f?r Usability und User Education Wir machen einfach bedienbare Benutzerschnittstellen und die User schlauer. _________________________________________________________________ From aerik at thesylvans.com Wed Jun 25 16:44:33 2008 From: aerik at thesylvans.com (Aerik Sylvan) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Search-l] Site Statistics Live In-Reply-To: <351e88710806241841n6b921b6h2ba19ff156956d9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <486150F0.10304@gmx.de> <486192A6.9060900@gmail.com> <351e88710806241841n6b921b6h2ba19ff156956d9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <355a36af0806250944u7875f183vcd5c09f506fbc979@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Swaroop C H wrote: >> Nice. The Graphs are apparently drawn by the server. It would be cool >> if they were drawn on the client, allowing the interactive feel of much >> of the rest of the site. Is there a way to draw such a Graph using only >> ECMAScript? Java could do this, but would be heavier (and may be more >> work to support). http://www.geocities.com/james_melanson/JSOOP/jsgraph.html and plenty of others... that's one of the better ones I've seen though. (Haven't actually used it yet, just looked at the demos). Aerik -- http://www.wikidweb.com - the Wiki Directory of the Web http://tagthis.info - Hosted Tagging for your website! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/attachments/20080625/6a5e1669/attachment.html From natanael.l at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 12:18:54 2008 From: natanael.l at gmail.com (Natanael) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:18:54 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] May 20, 2008 Update In-Reply-To: <485030D4.1010402@alvaro-martinez.net> References: <4f8a4c2c0805221204p4196c5a2o8045baf148c28e88@mail.gmail.com> <485003D1.8000906@wikia.com> <485030D4.1010402@alvaro-martinez.net> Message-ID: I'll do swedish translations when I get internet at home again. :P On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:08 PM, ?lvaro Mart?nez Majado < alvaro at alvaro-martinez.net> wrote: > En/na Jimmy Wales ha escrit: > > Mahavir Saran Jain wrote: > >> Thanks.impressed.Please improve for Hindi language & Dev nagri script . > >> Mahavir > > > > Can you help us translate the interface? > > > > This is something we really need. We are seeing a TON of non-English > > traffic and editing going on, and Jer is working on getting it all split > > out appropriately, probably this week. > > > > But we need help translating the string tables... Dan is looking to > > coordinate people who are eager to help with this. > > Some Catalan-speaking users are also interested in translating the > interface into Catalan. > > Greetings, > ?lvaro. > _______________________________________________ > Wikia Search mailing list > http://re.search.wikia.com/ > Change options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l > -- If everybody are thinking alike, then somebody aren't thinking || Stupidity is a renewable resource || Macs are for those who dont want to know why their computer works. Linux is for those who want to know why their computer works. DOS is for those who want to know why their computer doesnt work. Windows is for those who dont want to know why their computer doesnt work! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/attachments/20080626/ffb650dc/attachment.html From marcnaweb at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 15:42:56 2008 From: marcnaweb at gmail.com (Marc .) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:42:56 -0300 Subject: [Search-l] May 20, 2008 Update In-Reply-To: References: <4f8a4c2c0805221204p4196c5a2o8045baf148c28e88@mail.gmail.com> <485003D1.8000906@wikia.com> <485030D4.1010402@alvaro-martinez.net> Message-ID: <5f2640d0806260842u43689d7dw434e75d19144b935@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, Apparently there is no portugues-br translation, how can i help to do it? Note: I am not a coder... BR Marc Rosenfeld 2008/6/26 Natanael : > I'll do swedish translations when I get internet at home again. :P > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:08 PM, ?lvaro Mart?nez Majado > wrote: >> >> En/na Jimmy Wales ha escrit: >> > Mahavir Saran Jain wrote: >> >> Thanks.impressed.Please improve for Hindi language & Dev nagri script . >> >> Mahavir >> > >> > Can you help us translate the interface? >> > >> > This is something we really need. We are seeing a TON of non-English >> > traffic and editing going on, and Jer is working on getting it all split >> > out appropriately, probably this week. >> > >> > But we need help translating the string tables... Dan is looking to >> > coordinate people who are eager to help with this. >> >> Some Catalan-speaking users are also interested in translating the >> interface into Catalan. >> >> Greetings, >> ?lvaro. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikia Search mailing list >> http://re.search.wikia.com/ >> Change options or unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l > > > > -- > If everybody are thinking alike, then somebody aren't thinking || Stupidity > is a renewable resource || > Macs are for those who dont want to know why their computer works. > Linux is for those who want to know why their computer works. > DOS is for those who want to know why their computer doesnt work. > Windows is for those who dont want to know why their computer doesnt work! > _______________________________________________ > Wikia Search mailing list > http://re.search.wikia.com/ > Change options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l > From ger.dupont at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 07:26:08 2008 From: ger.dupont at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard_Dupont?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:26:08 +0200 Subject: [Search-l] advanced search Message-ID: <471965e10806300026u1b256248i8c8b0eb2eb31b863@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, First of all, I must say that I recently go back to search wikia to test the relevance of its results after a few months. Well, I must say that I'm quite impressed by the results. That's really good ! Ok it's still suffer on very recent topics and google beat it, but IMHO for stable thema, the results are really good. I really like the idea that I can interact directly with the results and for 2/3 queries, I actually saw the change when I launch (accidentally) the same query some after some days. I don't really point out the benefit of the social network aspect but it might be useful later. Now, I have a simple basic question, I don't think this is the right place to post this question, but can't find a better one. So where is tha advanced search part where I can use specific query syntax (site or domain restriction is one of my favourite) ? Do you process the query in a specila way or is the lucene syntax available ? Hope that someone has the answer. cheers -- G?rard Dupont Information Processing Competence Center (IPCC) - EADS DS http://weblab-project.org Perception & Machine Learning team - LITIS Laboratory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-l/attachments/20080630/6d9d731b/attachment.html From jwales at wikia.com Mon Jun 30 12:28:43 2008 From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Search-l] advanced search In-Reply-To: <471965e10806300026u1b256248i8c8b0eb2eb31b863@mail.gmail.com> References: <471965e10806300026u1b256248i8c8b0eb2eb31b863@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4868D17B.5070609@wikia.com> Oooh, I agree. We need an "advanced search" screen pronto, and an explanation of advanced syntax. ? wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, I must say that I recently go back to search wikia to test > the relevance of its results after a few months. Well, I must say that > I'm quite impressed by the results. That's really good ! Ok it's still > suffer on very recent topics and google beat it, but IMHO for stable > thema, the results are really good. > > I really like the idea that I can interact directly with the results and > for 2/3 queries, I actually saw the change when I launch (accidentally) > the same query some after some days. I don't really point out the > benefit of the social network aspect but it might be useful later. > > Now, I have a simple basic question, I don't think this is the right > place to post this question, but can't find a better one. So where is > tha advanced search part where I can use specific query syntax (site or > domain restriction is one of my favourite) ? Do you process the query in > a specila way or is the lucene syntax available ? > > Hope that someone has the answer. > > cheers > > -- > G?rard Dupont > Information Processing Competence Center (IPCC) - EADS DS > http://weblab-project.org > > Perception & Machine Learning team - LITIS Laboratory > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia Search mailing list > http://re.search.wikia.com/ > Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l