From tat.wright at googlemail.com  Thu Feb  7 20:17:37 2008
From: tat.wright at googlemail.com (Tom Wright)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:17:37 +0000
Subject: [search-ui] Mini-article redirects
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At the moment mini-articles redirects don't work. This is (probably) a
problem with wfGetArticleJSON function.

Is the source code for this available anywhere?

Tom

From jeremie at jabber.org  Thu Feb  7 20:50:46 2008
From: jeremie at jabber.org (jer)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:50:46 -0600
Subject: [search-ui] Mini-article redirects
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I'll try to get it checked into the re.search subversion shortly...

In what ways should mini articles use redirects?

On Feb 7, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Tom Wright wrote:

> At the moment mini-articles redirects don't work. This is (probably) a
> problem with wfGetArticleJSON function.
>
> Is the source code for this available anywhere?
>
> Tom
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From tat.wright at googlemail.com  Thu Feb  7 21:13:45 2008
From: tat.wright at googlemail.com (Tom Wright)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:13:45 +0000
Subject: [search-ui] Mini-article redirects
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Redirects would be used to display identical content for search terms
that are that have exactly the same intent. For example plurals should
problem map to their singular equivalent, and some acronyms should
expand to their full meaning (if there is only one expansion).

This would only redirect the content of the mini-articles - not the
search itself, though perhaps this is a possibily.

Also redirects could be used to deal with the capitalization problem -
though perhaps a more automatic solution would be better.

I think it's confusing to have different behaviours for the mediawiki
display and the insearch display of mini-articles.

Tom


On Feb 7, 2008 8:50 PM, jer <jeremie at jabber.org> wrote:
> I'll try to get it checked into the re.search subversion shortly...
>
> In what ways should mini articles use redirects?
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Tom Wright wrote:
>
> > At the moment mini-articles redirects don't work. This is (probably) a
> > problem with wfGetArticleJSON function.
> >
> > Is the source code for this available anywhere?
> >
> > Tom
> > _______________________________________________
> > Search-UI mailing list
> > Search-UI at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui
>
> _______________________________________________
> Search-UI mailing list
> Search-UI at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui
>

From tat.wright at googlemail.com  Thu Feb  7 21:14:51 2008
From: tat.wright at googlemail.com (Tom Wright)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:14:51 +0000
Subject: [search-ui] Mini-article redirects
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p.s There are probably some issues to be discussed about when
redirects are appropriate.

On Feb 7, 2008 9:13 PM, Tom Wright <tat.wright at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Redirects would be used to display identical content for search terms
> that are that have exactly the same intent. For example plurals should
> problem map to their singular equivalent, and some acronyms should
> expand to their full meaning (if there is only one expansion).
>
> This would only redirect the content of the mini-articles - not the
> search itself, though perhaps this is a possibily.
>
> Also redirects could be used to deal with the capitalization problem -
> though perhaps a more automatic solution would be better.
>
> I think it's confusing to have different behaviours for the mediawiki
> display and the insearch display of mini-articles.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2008 8:50 PM, jer <jeremie at jabber.org> wrote:
> > I'll try to get it checked into the re.search subversion shortly...
> >
> > In what ways should mini articles use redirects?
> >
> >
> > On Feb 7, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Tom Wright wrote:
> >
> > > At the moment mini-articles redirects don't work. This is (probably) a
> > > problem with wfGetArticleJSON function.
> > >
> > > Is the source code for this available anywhere?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Search-UI mailing list
> > > Search-UI at wikia.com
> > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Search-UI mailing list
> > Search-UI at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui
> >
>

From balinny at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 21:27:06 2008
From: balinny at gmail.com (Balinny)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:27:06 +0100
Subject: [search-ui] Mini-article redirects
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jer wrote:
> I'll try to get it checked into the re.search subversion shortly...
>
> In what ways should mini articles use redirects?
>   
User searches for 'Foo bar'
[[Mini:Foo_bar]] is a redirect to [[Mini:Foo_Bar]]
The contents of [[Mini:Foo_Bar]] should be shown.

It'd be cleaner to have wfGetArticleJSON retrieve anything and resolve 
the redirect on client,
but more efficient sending the right page first time.

That function needs to cleanup to detect the right article no matter how 
the user types the query.
There has been some comments - I think on wikiasearch. It's not clear 
how to do it. And there's
still the language thing...

From tat.wright at googlemail.com  Thu Feb  7 22:10:23 2008
From: tat.wright at googlemail.com (Tom Wright)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:10:23 +0000
Subject: [search-ui] Mini-article redirects
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Hmm. My understanding was that wfGetArticleJSON was a mediawiki
extension, which gets run on the server...


On Feb 7, 2008 9:27 PM, Balinny <balinny at gmail.com> wrote:
> jer wrote:
> > I'll try to get it checked into the re.search subversion shortly...
> >
> > In what ways should mini articles use redirects?
> >
> User searches for 'Foo bar'
> [[Mini:Foo_bar]] is a redirect to [[Mini:Foo_Bar]]
> The contents of [[Mini:Foo_Bar]] should be shown.
>
> It'd be cleaner to have wfGetArticleJSON retrieve anything and resolve
> the redirect on client,
> but more efficient sending the right page first time.
>
> That function needs to cleanup to detect the right article no matter how
> the user types the query.
> There has been some comments - I think on wikiasearch. It's not clear
> how to do it. And there's
> still the language thing...
>
> _______________________________________________
> Search-UI mailing list
> Search-UI at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui
>

From balinny at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 14:59:46 2008
From: balinny at gmail.com (Balinny)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:59:46 +0100
Subject: [search-ui] Mini-article redirects
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Tom Wright wrote:
> Hmm. My understanding was that wfGetArticleJSON was a mediawiki
> extension, which gets run on the server...
>   
Yes, it is.
Or maybe i should call it a function extension :P