From jeremie at jabber.org  Thu May 15 03:07:25 2008
From: jeremie at jabber.org (Jeremie Miller)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:07:25 -0500
Subject: [search-ui] [Search-l] why is Wikia's the only frontend? [Was:
	wrong questions]
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The cost of setting up another front-end is very low, as you pointed  
out "svn co http://svn.swlabs.org/re.search" and particularly looking  
in the "cool" folder then modding/hacking away, the results will load/ 
work from the html files loaded locally even.

I've just been waiting for someone to ask about the license, you're  
the first!  For a lightweight/little codebase like this I'm a fan of  
the very very open ones, even public domain (since people copy html/JS  
all the time the way it is).  Any strong preferences?

I'd like to also suggest discussions around the UI (including licenses  
for it) continue on the search-ui at wikia.com list which is dedicated to  
any <discussion style="type:gritty" /> :)

Jer

On May 14, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Rainer Blome wrote:

> If alternative front ends are desired, the costs of writing them  
> should
> be lowered.  The cost of writing another front end could be lowered by
> copying and modifying an existing front end.  To do this, programmers
> need an appropriate license, which I miss.
>
> Source code for the Wikia Search front end is accessible at
>
> http://svn.swlabs.org/re.search/
>
> In there, I can not find any pertinent copyright or license notices.
>
> Whose code is this (I assume Wikia's, unless otherwise noted).
> How is this code licensed?
>
> Rainer
> _______________________________________________
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> http://alpha.search.wikia.com/
> Change options or unsubscribe: http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/options/search-l
>


From rainer.blome at gmx.de  Wed May 28 08:22:16 2008
From: rainer.blome at gmx.de (Rainer Blome)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:22:16 +0200
Subject: [search-ui] Licensing [was: Re: [Search-l] why is Wikia's the only
	frontend?]
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Jeremie Miller wrote:
> I've just been waiting for someone to ask about the license, you're  
> the first!  For a lightweight/little codebase like this I'm a fan of  
> the very very open ones, even public domain (since people copy html/JS  
> all the time the way it is).  Any strong preferences?

BSD- or MIT-style would be fine.

Rainer


From rainer.blome at gmx.de  Wed May 28 09:12:51 2008
From: rainer.blome at gmx.de (Rainer Blome)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:12:51 +0200
Subject: [search-ui] Integrating search results from commercial search
	engines
Message-ID: <483D2213.1060802@gmx.de>

Mahalo shows Google search results when no dedicated Mahalo page exists. 
  Mahalo uses the Google AJAX Search API (uds.js) to achieve this.

Has this been considered as a user option for Wikia Search, similar to 
selecting an alternative index?

Personally, I would appreciate this option.  It would allow simultaneous 
access to Google's currently superior search results and the mini 
articles, making routine mini article editing easier.

An important question here is whether it is legal to do so.  These are 
their terms of use: http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/terms.html .
Prohibition number one is to "incorporate Google Search Results as the 
primary content on your website or page".  The requirement would be for 
other content to be primary, for example mini articles.

Rainer

From jeremie at jabber.org  Wed May 28 20:03:59 2008
From: jeremie at jabber.org (Jeremie Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:03:59 -0500
Subject: [search-ui] Integrating search results from commercial search
	engines
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I looked into it very seriously for a while, but had two hangups...  
the first was I *love* all the editable stuff in BEWARE and we can't  
even think about integrating it with that (so it feels like a dead-end  
effort):

	"You agree that you will not, and you will not permit your users or  
other third parties to: (a) modify or replace the text, images, or  
other content of the Google Search Results, including by (i) changing  
the order in which the Google Search Results appear, (ii) intermixing  
Search Results from sources other than Google, or (iii) intermixing  
other content such that it appears to be part of the Google Search  
Results; or (b) modify, replace or otherwise disable the functioning  
of links to Google or third party websites provided in the Google  
Search Results."

Second, I actually like to see the other stuff in google's results,  
the widgety kinds of things at the top and even sponsored results,  
etc... so having just the "raw" index results from google is kind of  
paltry (for me personally, mind you).

Actually, a third is that I can see having some good tools as  
bookmarklets and/or in a future toolbar, that would work on any search  
engine :)

Jer

On May 28, 2008, at 4:12 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:

> Mahalo shows Google search results when no dedicated Mahalo page  
> exists.
>  Mahalo uses the Google AJAX Search API (uds.js) to achieve this.
>
> Has this been considered as a user option for Wikia Search, similar to
> selecting an alternative index?
>
> Personally, I would appreciate this option.  It would allow  
> simultaneous
> access to Google's currently superior search results and the mini
> articles, making routine mini article editing easier.
>
> An important question here is whether it is legal to do so.  These are
> their terms of use: http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/ 
> terms.html .
> Prohibition number one is to "incorporate Google Search Results as the
> primary content on your website or page".  The requirement would be  
> for
> other content to be primary, for example mini articles.
>
> Rainer
> _______________________________________________
> Search-UI mailing list
> Search-UI at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui
>


From jeremie at jabber.org  Wed May 28 20:12:48 2008
From: jeremie at jabber.org (Jeremie Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:12:48 -0500
Subject: [search-ui] Licensing [was: Re: [Search-l] why is Wikia's the
	only frontend?]
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BSD it is, I just checked in a LICENSE.txt into svn for the re.search  
"cool" folder that has all the newer results BEWARE code in it :)

On May 28, 2008, at 3:22 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:

> Jeremie Miller wrote:
>> I've just been waiting for someone to ask about the license, you're
>> the first!  For a lightweight/little codebase like this I'm a fan of
>> the very very open ones, even public domain (since people copy html/ 
>> JS
>> all the time the way it is).  Any strong preferences?
>
> BSD- or MIT-style would be fine.
>
> Rainer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Search-UI mailing list
> Search-UI at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui
>