From magic5227 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 01:27:35 2009 From: magic5227 at gmail.com (Aaron Dunn) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:27:35 -0800 Subject: [search-ui] Welcome to the "Search-UI" mailing list (Digest mode) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55661c000902031727i2096b08bh261282859af36f51@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have SVN access or more complete copy of the UI source code? I wanted to take a look at how it works but the existing online code seems incomplete. 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URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/search-ui/attachments/20090203/920c0526/attachment-0001.html From rainer.blome at gmx.de Wed Feb 4 07:18:04 2009 From: rainer.blome at gmx.de (Rainer Blome) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:18:04 +0100 Subject: [search-ui] Welcome to the "Search-UI" mailing list (Digest mode) In-Reply-To: <55661c000902031727i2096b08bh261282859af36f51@mail.gmail.com> References: <55661c000902031727i2096b08bh261282859af36f51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4989412C.50309@gmx.de> Aaron Dunn wrote: > Does anyone have SVN access or more complete copy of the UI source code? > I wanted to take a look at how it works but the existing online code > seems incomplete. What do you mean by "online code"? The live code should differ from the SVN only with regard to script and style sheet concatenation and minimization and maybe some configuration. The live code is "manually" synced to SVN. Is this what you are looking for?: svn checkout http://svn.swlabs.org/re.search cd re.search/cool svn checkout http://svn.swlabs.org/WISE For some reason, the WISE stuff has been put in its own repository. Rainer From macbre at wikia-inc.com Wed Feb 4 10:24:42 2009 From: macbre at wikia-inc.com (Maciej Brencz) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:24:42 +0100 Subject: [search-ui] RTL support, loading indicators, pagination, developers WISE app ready to be tested and then deployed In-Reply-To: <49766503.3040307@gmx.de> References: <49727274.7060505@gmx.de> <298babfb0901190159r6baf18acte5c97db85398e333@mail.gmail.com> <4975148D.9050307@gmx.de> <49766503.3040307@gmx.de> Message-ID: Hi all! I've spent recent two weeks adding RTL support to Wikia Search UI. You can see the result here: . Please change your language (using language selector) to Hebrew to test RTL version of UI... I want to thank Rainer for the discussion and his ideas about adding RTL support. Another thing I've been working on recently was adding loading indicators to fun, tools and metrics. Those can be tested in the same place. Initial version of pagination for search results contributions and user recent activity can also be tested. WISE app for developers was added to the WISE repo. Few links to click on: Questions, ideas? Don't hesitate to send them on mailing list ;) If no big bugs will be found, those changes can go live! Thanks -- Maciej [macbre] Brencz macbre[at]wikia.com skype: macbre_wikia From rainer.blome at gmx.de Tue Feb 10 00:47:37 2009 From: rainer.blome at gmx.de (Rainer Blome) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:47:37 +0100 Subject: [search-ui] RTL support, loading indicators, pagination, developers WISE app ready to be tested and then deployed In-Reply-To: References: <49727274.7060505@gmx.de> <298babfb0901190159r6baf18acte5c97db85398e333@mail.gmail.com> <4975148D.9050307@gmx.de> <49766503.3040307@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4990CEA9.9030106@gmx.de> Maciej Brencz wrote: > I've spent recent two weeks adding RTL support to Wikia Search UI. You can > see the result here: > . Please change > your language (using language selector) to Hebrew to test RTL version of > UI... I want to thank Rainer for the discussion and his ideas about adding > RTL support. It was fun (mostly ;-) to learn the various ways in which this can be achieved. I still shake my head in disbelief that there is no HTML/CSS construct that, without absolute directionality such as "float:left", gives an "inline sequence of block elements" (except for "table"). Yes, I've now read (and I think understood) the CSS2 spec. If only inline elements didn't ignore the width attribute... :-) > ... > If no big bugs will be found, those changes can go live! Works beautifully. Two things that I've noticed: o For the RTL version a horizontal scroll bar appears. Maybe there's an extraneous margin or padding somewhere? o Some parentheses appear on the wrong side of the parenthesized text. We may need to explicitly insert direction marker characters to fix this. Rainer From macbre at wikia-inc.com Tue Feb 10 09:55:10 2009 From: macbre at wikia-inc.com (Maciej Brencz) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:55:10 +0100 Subject: [search-ui] RTL support, loading indicators, pagination, developers WISE app ready to be tested and then deployed In-Reply-To: <4990CEA9.9030106@gmx.de> References: <49727274.7060505@gmx.de> <298babfb0901190159r6baf18acte5c97db85398e333@mail.gmail.com> <4975148D.9050307@gmx.de> <49766503.3040307@gmx.de> <4990CEA9.9030106@gmx.de> Message-ID: <298babfb0902100155r4d0b2bffk9f8b6c2ca8345728@mail.gmail.com> Hi, > o For the RTL version a horizontal scroll bar appears. > Maybe there's an extraneous margin or padding somewhere? I'll take a look... > o Some parentheses appear on the wrong side of the parenthesized text. > We may need to explicitly insert direction marker characters to > fix this. Can you give direct link to page with that problem? Thanks -- Maciej 'macbre' Brencz skype: macbre_wikia From rainer.blome at gmx.de Tue Feb 10 18:46:02 2009 From: rainer.blome at gmx.de (Rainer Blome) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:46:02 +0100 Subject: [search-ui] RTL support, loading indicators, pagination, developers WISE app ready to be tested and then deployed In-Reply-To: <298babfb0902100155r4d0b2bffk9f8b6c2ca8345728@mail.gmail.com> References: <49727274.7060505@gmx.de> <298babfb0901190159r6baf18acte5c97db85398e333@mail.gmail.com> <4975148D.9050307@gmx.de> <49766503.3040307@gmx.de> <4990CEA9.9030106@gmx.de> <298babfb0902100155r4d0b2bffk9f8b6c2ca8345728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4991CB6A.8010307@gmx.de> Maciej Brencz wrote: >> o Some parentheses appear on the wrong side of the parenthesized text. >> We may need to explicitly insert direction marker characters to >> fix this. This is independent of the changes to support RTL *layout*, it is a consequence of the bidi algorithm. > Can you give direct link to page with that problem? For example, switch to Arabic and look at the entries in the language selection drop down list. R. From phil.nelson at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 18:57:23 2009 From: phil.nelson at gmail.com (Christian Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:57:23 -0500 Subject: [search-ui] RTL support, loading indicators, pagination, developers WISE app ready to be tested and then deployed In-Reply-To: <4991CB6A.8010307@gmx.de> References: <49727274.7060505@gmx.de> <298babfb0901190159r6baf18acte5c97db85398e333@mail.gmail.com> <4975148D.9050307@gmx.de> <49766503.3040307@gmx.de> <4990CEA9.9030106@gmx.de> <298babfb0902100155r4d0b2bffk9f8b6c2ca8345728@mail.gmail.com> <4991CB6A.8010307@gmx.de> Message-ID: Just chiming in to say that this looks great. Since I know the two of you have done much more research than I have in this area, I'm interested to know where you think Wikia Search stacks up against the other major search engines in RTL support (with this patch). - Phil Nelson On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Rainer Blome wrote: > Maciej Brencz wrote: >>> o Some parentheses appear on the wrong side of the parenthesized >>> text. >>> We may need to explicitly insert direction marker characters to >>> fix this. > > This is independent of the changes to support RTL *layout*, > it is a consequence of the bidi algorithm. > >> Can you give direct link to page with that problem? > > For example, switch to Arabic and look at the entries in the > language selection drop down list. > > R. > _______________________________________________ > Search-UI mailing list > Search-UI at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui From rainer.blome at gmx.de Tue Feb 10 21:21:22 2009 From: rainer.blome at gmx.de (Rainer Blome) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:21:22 +0100 Subject: [search-ui] RTL support, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <49727274.7060505@gmx.de> <298babfb0901190159r6baf18acte5c97db85398e333@mail.gmail.com> <4975148D.9050307@gmx.de> <49766503.3040307@gmx.de> <4990CEA9.9030106@gmx.de> <298babfb0902100155r4d0b2bffk9f8b6c2ca8345728@mail.gmail.com> <4991CB6A.8010307@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4991EFD2.4000105@gmx.de> Christian Nelson wrote: > Just chiming in to say that this looks great. Since I know the two of > you have done much more research than I have in this area, I'm > interested to know where you think Wikia Search stacks up against the > other major search engines in RTL support (with this patch). > > - Phil Nelson I don't think much in this "direction". :-) All I did for "researching the competition" was to look at http://www.google.ae/search?hl=ar&q=??????? (the query is for "books"), and saw that they had an apparently well working RTL layout. Looking at the source of the above page (or of http://www.google.com/), I note that they use tables to achieve a "nested and sequenced boxes" layout for some parts of the pages, especially for forms and headers. Rainer From rainer.blome at gmx.de Thu Feb 12 10:37:09 2009 From: rainer.blome at gmx.de (Rainer Blome) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:37:09 +0100 Subject: [search-ui] Logging? Message-ID: <4993FBD5.5010004@gmx.de> In the past days, I went back to work on sprintf (now in SVN, should be fully useable) and ngettext (I need to check in the integration of it into i18n.js). Regarding ngettext and its integration, I need to make a few decisions regarding logging. During development and in production code, I routinely use logging as a debugging aid. Is there a guideline if, when and how to log events in the search UI code? For example, I routinely log events (collect messages about something that happened or was detected), so that I may use the log to figure out why something did not work. With beta code and data (such as incomplete translation tables), there are a lot of issues, things that are "wrong", resulting in many logged events. With most of these issues, many users can simply live with them and don't want to be notified of them. If we showed all internally detected issues, the amount of messages would be annoying. To avoid annoying the user (including myself), I normally do not show any of the logged messages. In fairly stable code, for example in sprintf.js, I use an idiom like 'mylog && mylog("blah")' to be able to turn off logging entirely. In ngettext.js, many of the events represent genuine errors detected in external data and should always be logged somehow, so I leave the logging itself active and in the published code disable only the output (showlog()). There are luxurious logging packages out there, especially log4javascript. However, they are are a bit heavy for live deployment (ca. 70k). Are you using logging? If so, what are you using? Is there a guideline? Rainer From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Thu Feb 12 10:50:40 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:50:40 +1300 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface Message-ID: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> Hey guys, I've noticed a lot of activity of the mailing lists, though haven't followed it much as it seemed to be talking about details of the layout code. Are there any plans yet to clean up the interface, remove superfluous crap like spotlight, select background (or putting in place a measure to stop abuse here), and also the 'Result History' seems to me, to be worrying as far as privacy goes. I bought up a few of these issues some time ago, and it was generally agreed that a cleaner, simpler layout would really improve things. From beesley at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 03:19:39 2009 From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:19:39 +1000 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface In-Reply-To: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> References: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <8b722b800902121919s43c65dcaqf45940a643f3c827@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Josh Martens wrote: > ... the 'Result History' seems to me, to be > worrying as far as privacy goes. The result history only shows edits that people have made - not pages that people have only viewed, so I see this more as a positive feature for transparency and not as a negative feature for privacy. As with any wiki, you ought to be able to find out who edited the content. This is needed for the copyright license as the GFDL requires those authors be attributed. It's also important for monitoring the content and checking people are not editing with a conflict of interest, and it's essential in tracking down vandals and spammers so they can be blocked from damaging the search results. Angela From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Fri Feb 13 21:00:35 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:00:35 +1300 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface In-Reply-To: <8b722b800902121919s43c65dcaqf45940a643f3c827@mail.gmail.com> References: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> <8b722b800902121919s43c65dcaqf45940a643f3c827@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234558835.6517.2.camel@studypad> > The result history only shows edits that people have made - not pages > that people have only viewed, so I see this more as a positive feature > for transparency and not as a negative feature for privacy. As with > any wiki, you ought to be able to find out who edited the content. > This is needed for the copyright license as the GFDL requires those > authors be attributed. It's also important for monitoring the content > and checking people are not editing with a conflict of interest, and > it's essential in tracking down vandals and spammers so they can be > blocked from damaging the search results. > > Angela That's a good point. It does though I think show a fundamental problem. Many people aren't going to want to contribute to this search engine if their contributions are going to be displayed right there for everyone to see. Many people do not want others to easily know what they've been searching for in a lot of cases. From phil.nelson at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 21:03:04 2009 From: phil.nelson at gmail.com (Christian Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:03:04 -0500 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface In-Reply-To: <1234558835.6517.2.camel@studypad> References: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> <8b722b800902121919s43c65dcaqf45940a643f3c827@mail.gmail.com> <1234558835.6517.2.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <7DF37512-3D3E-4A06-8383-F952704618DE@zerolives.org> On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Josh Martens wrote: > >> The result history only shows edits that people have made - not pages >> that people have only viewed, so I see this more as a positive >> feature >> for transparency and not as a negative feature for privacy. As with >> any wiki, you ought to be able to find out who edited the content. >> This is needed for the copyright license as the GFDL requires those >> authors be attributed. It's also important for monitoring the content >> and checking people are not editing with a conflict of interest, and >> it's essential in tracking down vandals and spammers so they can be >> blocked from damaging the search results. >> >> Angela > > That's a good point. It does though I think show a fundamental > problem. > Many people aren't going to want to contribute to this search engine > if > their contributions are going to be displayed right there for everyone > to see. Many people do not want others to easily know what they've > been > searching for in a lot of cases. It's pretty necessary. Again, people don't have to contribute to anything. If they're worried about people seeing their IP address or username on some porn contribution or whatever, they are 100% free to not do it or even make a second account with phony information if they're really afraid. > > > _______________________________________________ > Search-UI mailing list > Search-UI at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Fri Feb 13 21:09:18 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:09:18 +1300 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface In-Reply-To: <7DF37512-3D3E-4A06-8383-F952704618DE@zerolives.org> References: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> <8b722b800902121919s43c65dcaqf45940a643f3c827@mail.gmail.com> <1234558835.6517.2.camel@studypad> <7DF37512-3D3E-4A06-8383-F952704618DE@zerolives.org> Message-ID: <1234559358.6517.7.camel@studypad> On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 16:03 -0500, Christian Nelson wrote: > On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Josh Martens wrote: > > > > >> The result history only shows edits that people have made - not pages > >> that people have only viewed, so I see this more as a positive > >> feature > >> for transparency and not as a negative feature for privacy. As with > >> any wiki, you ought to be able to find out who edited the content. > >> This is needed for the copyright license as the GFDL requires those > >> authors be attributed. It's also important for monitoring the content > >> and checking people are not editing with a conflict of interest, and > >> it's essential in tracking down vandals and spammers so they can be > >> blocked from damaging the search results. > >> > >> Angela > > > > That's a good point. It does though I think show a fundamental > > problem. > > Many people aren't going to want to contribute to this search engine > > if > > their contributions are going to be displayed right there for everyone > > to see. Many people do not want others to easily know what they've > > been > > searching for in a lot of cases. > > It's pretty necessary. Again, people don't have to contribute to > anything. If they're worried about people seeing their IP address or > username on some porn contribution or whatever, they are 100% free to > not do it or even make a second account with phony information if > they're really afraid. That's true. I think a better solution though would be a 'contributions' page, like the discussion, edit and history pages of wikipedia, this is more because I think that having 'weird looking technical mumbo rumbo' (read IP address') on the front page makes the search engine confusing and unpolished for the average person. Certainly it'd look page if wikipedia had a side bar on each article that listed the users and IP address' of contributors to the articles. It's better to have that in a separate area. From Daemonax at orcon.net.nz Fri Feb 13 21:16:52 2009 From: Daemonax at orcon.net.nz (Josh Martens) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:16:52 +1300 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface In-Reply-To: <1234559358.6517.7.camel@studypad> References: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> <8b722b800902121919s43c65dcaqf45940a643f3c827@mail.gmail.com> <1234558835.6517.2.camel@studypad> <7DF37512-3D3E-4A06-8383-F952704618DE@zerolives.org> <1234559358.6517.7.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <1234559812.6517.9.camel@studypad> > Certainly it'd look page if wikipedia had a side bar on each article > that listed the users and IP address' of contributors to the articles. > It's better to have that in a separate area. Sorry, I mean, it'd look bad if wikipedia.... And mumbo jumbo. From jwales at wikia-inc.com Fri Feb 13 23:24:27 2009 From: jwales at wikia-inc.com (Jimmy Wales) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:24:27 -0500 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface In-Reply-To: <1234558835.6517.2.camel@studypad> References: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> <8b722b800902121919s43c65dcaqf45940a643f3c827@mail.gmail.com> <1234558835.6517.2.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <4996012B.5080504@wikia-inc.com> Josh Martens wrote: > That's a good point. It does though I think show a fundamental problem. > Many people aren't going to want to contribute to this search engine if > their contributions are going to be displayed right there for everyone > to see. Many people do not want others to easily know what they've been > searching for in a lot of cases. Yes, well, I think it will be a lot like Wikipedia - there are some, um, "difficult" subjects that a lot of people would read (privately, secretly) but would be too embarassed to edit publicly. They often create sockpuppet accounts to do that, I think. --Jimbo From jwales at wikia-inc.com Fri Feb 13 23:25:28 2009 From: jwales at wikia-inc.com (Jimmy Wales) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:25:28 -0500 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface In-Reply-To: <1234559812.6517.9.camel@studypad> References: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> <8b722b800902121919s43c65dcaqf45940a643f3c827@mail.gmail.com> <1234558835.6517.2.camel@studypad> <7DF37512-3D3E-4A06-8383-F952704618DE@zerolives.org> <1234559358.6517.7.camel@studypad> <1234559812.6517.9.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <49960168.60807@wikia-inc.com> Josh Martens wrote: >> Certainly it'd look page if wikipedia had a side bar on each article >> that listed the users and IP address' of contributors to the articles. >> It's better to have that in a separate area. > > Sorry, I mean, it'd look bad if wikipedia.... > > And mumbo jumbo. I actually agree with you that a separate "history" page like in an ordinary wiki makes more sense. From jwales at wikia-inc.com Sun Feb 15 20:44:39 2009 From: jwales at wikia-inc.com (Jimmy Wales) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:44:39 -0500 Subject: [search-ui] Wikia search interface In-Reply-To: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> References: <1234435840.6236.4.camel@studypad> Message-ID: <49987EB7.6090502@wikia-inc.com> I think Jer was working on a super-clean version, a version without the infinite scroll (which was cute and seemed awesome, but I find it annoying and so do other people), etc. Not sure the current status, jer can you update us? (I think he got distracted with another project...) Josh Martens wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've noticed a lot of activity of the mailing lists, though haven't > followed it much as it seemed to be talking about details of the layout > code. > > Are there any plans yet to clean up the interface, remove superfluous > crap like spotlight, select background (or putting in place a measure to > stop abuse here), and also the 'Result History' seems to me, to be > worrying as far as privacy goes. > > I bought up a few of these issues some time ago, and it was generally > agreed that a cleaner, simpler layout would really improve things. > > _______________________________________________ > Search-UI mailing list > Search-UI at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-ui