[Search wiki] Mini Aricles and Use of the Main Namespace

[jer]

Once we have wikipedia crawled/imported, it's flagged as a whitelist  
so WP results should show up at the top of any search as the first  
hit, for close or exact matching keywords.

I could see integrating closely with WP's disambig pages, but the  
bulk of the content should just be a normal search result, no need to  
special case it is there?

Jer

On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Mark (Markie) wrote:

> hmm what would be peoples thought of using wp content in the main  
> space, which could either be local copies or dynamically called,  
> with local overwrite possible, so that we can have minis with "more  
> here" which then links to pages which have either been specially  
> adapted written locally or then just falls back onto wp (or should  
> be just have a kinda "if local exists then use that, if not link  
> directly to wp" thing)
>
> thoughts
>
> mark
>
> On Jan 25, 2008 10:49 PM, jer <jeremie at jabber.org> wrote:
> >> As has been noted, links within mini articles to other mini
> >> articles are
> >> awkward. Using the main namespace for mini articles would make
> >> internal
> >> linking  more straightforward.
>
> My inclination is to make almost all views of a mini article be in-
> context, that you only see them in their search result.  What reasons
> are there to view them outside of that context?
>
> >> There is also the question of what the
> >> content of mini articles ought to be. One possibility is brief
> >> articles
> >> about the word or term, a sort of mini Wikipedia article.
>
> If these are short as in a sentence or two I could see this, but when
> they grow to be a body of "real" content, the actual answers to the
> search term, I worry that it's becoming an answer service and not
> something that compliments one of the core functions of a search
> result, to direct people somewhere.
>
> >> Another is
> >> adding significant material about disambiguation of the term.
>
> Disambig, as well as poorly formed queries, misspellings (that the
> currently non-existant did-you-mean feature might not cover), and
> "hot" or fresh searches (like news, memes, so on) that are always
> harder with algorithmic approaches.
>
> What about the usage of mini articles for straight up "this is the
> best link and isn't in the search result!" ?  Shouldn't we support
> this and use that data to index and improve the rankings?  Is it a
> problem to support that usage?
>
> >> Either
> >> alternative could occur in the mini or main namespace. If the mini
> >> namespace is used in one of those ways, the question remains of
> >> what the
> >> main namespace is is used for. I have tentatively assumed the  
> search
> >> namespace is for policy, the help namespace is for help. If you are
> >> confused, the main namespace is an article with nothing in front
> >> of it
> >> ([[Apple]] rather than [[Mini:Apple]]).
> >>
> >> As an alternative, I suggest that we continue with the mini
> >> articles as
> >> a brief introduction to the subject and reserve the main namespace
> >> for
> >> an intensive disambiguation of its subject, including suggestions
> >> regarding how to use appropriate keywords to refine searches to
> >> get good
> >> results for various possibilities. Whether our projected user base
> >> would
> >> actively use and develop such pages remains to be seen, although I
> >> find
> >> it enjoyable.
>
> I'm starting to agree with this line of thought, and thinking that it
> might be good if Mini: is limited to a very small size, few
> sentences, and can add a "see more" which links to a regular article
> on the topic.  We can set it up so that the Mini's are only viewed,
> created, and edited in the search result page directly.
>
> Am I at odds with current thoughts on this, or does it sound  
> reasonable?
>
> >> There are some discussions at Forum:Mini articles and at Forum:Main
> >> Namespace I have been so bold as to provisionally advance a policy
> >> page
> >> at search:Main namespace
> >>
> >> Fred Bauder
> >
> > Here's a suggested treatment I kind of like:
> >
> >     1. As an alternative to maintaining separate articles, the  
> "mini"
> > content could be maintained as a part of a larger article, for  
> example
> > in the form of a formal "Summary" section. That section would  
> need to
> > be extracted on the fly. Would this work?
> >     2. You have put the big, "encyclopedic" disambiguation article
> > in the
> > main space, and the "dictionary" article (which also provides some
> > disambiguation, which is good) in the Mini space. To keep the  
> bulk of
> > links and articles simple, I would prefer to do it the other way
> > around: Put the small, "mini" article in the main space and the  
> large,
> > detailed one in a different namespace, such as "dis[ambiguation]" or
> > "extended". Or give it an extension, as in "innocence/ 
> disambiguation"
> > or "innocence (disambiguation)".
> >     My guess is that there will always be many more small articles
> > than
> > large ones. Keeping the bulk of the articles in the main space will
> > make linking simpler. Notice all those "create" and "edit" links in
> > parentheses behind the "search query" (keyword?) links. Currently,
> > they all point to Mini. Most links will intend to refer to the small
> > articles. The namespace prefix would vanish, simplifying the links.
> >     --RainerBlome 00:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
> >
> > Perhaps the extended articles could use the Search namespace and we
> > could
> > put policy in some other namespace such as policy.
>
> If interacting with Mini: is abstracted/hidden through the search
> result page, I think it would be best to keep it the way it is, so
> the regular articles are in the regular namespace.
>
> One *very* long term thinking is that others could mimic the "Mini:"
> namespace on their own wiki's, and a crawler can build a database of
> mini articles from any wiki on the web.
>
> Jer
>
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