[Vim-l] Location of categorization lines & Redirect categorization

[Sebastian Menge]

Am Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:39:32 -0600 schrieb Christian J. Robinson:

> I mentioned this on
> <http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Uncategorize_redirect_pages>
> but I thought I should bring it up here.
> 
> I've noticed that people are placing the [[Category:...]] lines at the
> top of the tip articles.  I can understand the desire to do this, but
> there's a reason why Wikipedia has standardized on putting those at
> the bottom of articles, and that's when you need to do category sort
> overriding, e.g., an article named:
> 
>   "foo" bar
> 
> Needs to be manually told to sort under the "F" section in the
> category:
> 
>   [[Category:VimTip|foo bar]]
> 
> This can't work if the line is above the {{Tip}} template inclusion
> which has its own [[Category:VimTip]] line--the last category line for
> the same category takes precedence.

Advanced stuff, but seems logical :-), Thanks for the tip. So we have a
new guideline: Categories to the bottom.

> Another issue brought up in the above URL is that while I can
> understand why the VimTip## pages are categorized under VimTip, but I
> don't think this is a good idea.  Just go to the "V" section of the
> category <http://vim.wikia.com/index.php?title=Category:VimTip&from=V>
> to see why.
> 
> If we really need VimTip## pages to be categorized, I propose a
> sub-category of th VimTip category--something like VimTipRedirects.

You're right. My hidden plan was to keep all tips at one place (category) to
ease handling by a bot. It will be easy to iterate over all articles of one
category. Your idea to do a subcategory for that sounds very good.

Before I was thinking about a "namespace" for vimtips, but that
seemed to be more complicated in the beginning. We would need advice by
experienced mediawiki users/admins, under what circumstances that would be
useful. 

I (personally!) would like to see more on the wiki than only the tips. The
first careful tryout is the "Other Pages" section, but I can think of a lot
more of good information that could be contributed by the community). But this
topic is worth its own thread perhaps on vim at vim.org and perhaps at a later
stage ...

> It'd be nice if we could have some kind of an auto-edit bot that could
> fix both of these problems, once a decision has been made.  Does Wikia
> offer something like that?

Easy things can be done by their techs. One can get in contact via #wikia on
freenode (or a java applet on wikia.com ). For more complicated things we
would have to write our own bots. which is easy with this toolkit:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywikipediabot/

The sources can be adapted quickly ... But I have no idea where to host a bot
that should run e.g. nightly? Angela?

Sebastian.