From robs at mainspring.co.za  Sat Feb  3 19:05:50 2007
From: robs at mainspring.co.za (Rob Smorfitt )
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:05:50 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
Message-ID: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>

 

Hi everyone

 

A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever reasons,
in small and medium business (SME?s)

 

We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism welcome,
as well as tips

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

Rob Smorfitt

MainSpring - driving business development

http://main-spring.blogspot.com

 

 

+27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)

+27 33 342 8870 (Never there)

+27 33 342 0246 (Fax)

 


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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 19:33:34 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:33:34 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
In-Reply-To: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>
References: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702031133s34b69a4eldb2f10f5fa6586b8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rob,

What's the URL?

Chad

On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME's)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
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From robs at mainspring.co.za  Sat Feb  3 19:40:21 2007
From: robs at mainspring.co.za (Rob Smorfitt )
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:40:21 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0702031133s34b69a4eldb2f10f5fa6586b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006701c747cb$2bcdf6c0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>

Hi Chad

http://sme.wikia.com 

Rob Smorfitt
MainSpring - driving business development
www.mainspring.co.za 

+27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
+27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
+27 33 342 0246 (Fax)


-----Original Message-----
From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On Behalf
Of Chad Lupkes
Sent: 03 February 2007 21:34
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki

Hi Rob,

What's the URL?

Chad

On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME's)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
> --
>  No virus found in this outgoing message.
>  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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2007/02/01
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 18:35:14 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:35:14 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>

Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
"santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Feb  5 18:43:59 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:43:59 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45C77AEF.7020908@wikia.com>

Ok, thanks Scott. We'll take a look as soon as we can.
Q.


Scott Hanson wrote:
> Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and 
> "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
>  
> -Scott
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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From frankiefans at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 17:55:47 2007
From: frankiefans at gmail.com (Frankie Fans)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Pew report on tagging
Message-ID: <86f2075f0702060955k2646d117sd9f7b214d5310f84@mail.gmail.com>

good read  --

http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/201/report_display.asp


Just as the internet allows users to create and share their own media, it is
also enabling them to organize digital material their own way, rather than
relying on pre-existing formats of classifying information.

A December 2006 survey has found that 28% of internet users have tagged or
categorized content online such as photos, news stories or blog posts. On a
typical day online, 7% of internet users say they tag or categorize online
content.

The report features an interview with David Weinberger, a prominent blogger
and fellow at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet & Society.
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From beesley at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 17:08:27 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:08:27 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] What is your Wikia story?
Message-ID: <8b722b800702070908r32560574hdd26fd79c132e736@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have a story to tell about Wikia?

Please share it at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia:Our_stories

The page is hoped to be an interesting place to find out about how
other users are using Wikia and what their wiki is doing for them. It
could also be useful for reporters when they want to add a more human
perspective to their stories about Wikia.

I look forward to seeing your stories!

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb  9 19:57:11 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:57:11 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
Message-ID: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that 
they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over 
the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they 
re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.

Thanks,
John Q.



From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 22:21:38 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:21:38 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
In-Reply-To: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>
References: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702091421ga913da8xa910fc2462b8c219@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the head's up, John.

-Scott


On 2/9/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From duncan at wikia.com  Sat Feb 10 06:14:03 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:14:03 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Outage
Message-ID: <EE862968-5CE7-446B-BAB9-D7B68159B2C1@wikia.com>

Folks,

We had a bit of a blip earlier on the website related to a file  
server.  We just received a replacement server and it will be brought  
online soon to prevent things like this from happening.
Let us know if you see any further issues.

Matthew


From johnq at wikia.com  Sat Feb 10 07:39:24 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:39:24 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] slowdowns detected...
Message-ID: <45CD76AC.4090405@wikia.com>

Hi,

There have been a couple of slowdowns over the last 20-30 minutes. This 
appears to be the colo doing the work previously mentioned.

Thanks,
John Q.



From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 15:35:15 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:35:15 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13913.1171088033.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
References: <mailman.13913.1171088033.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10702100735m5d51a43fic36b590d76159e3c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone, Um well i am not sure what to think i have a nameless ip
address on my wikia and i do not know if they are testing pages or what but
they keep adding articles like Jamesha and stuff. I do not want to ban them
because that would just encourage them more i think i will just wait them
out and keep removing the stuff. Phillip http://puppet.wikia.com

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>   3. Re: A new Wiki (Rob Smorfitt )
>   4. search broken again (Scott Hanson)
>   5. Re: search broken again (John Q.)
>   6. Pew report on tagging (Frankie Fans)
>   7. What is your Wikia story? (Angela)
>   8. datacenter maintenance... (John Q.)
>   9. Re: datacenter maintenance... (Scott Hanson)
> 10. Site Outage (Matthew Silvey)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:05:50 +0200
> From: "Rob Smorfitt " <robs at mainspring.co.za>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0 at cradungroup.co.za>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME?s)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:33:34 -0800
> From: "Chad Lupkes" <chadlupkes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
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>
> Hi Rob,
>
> What's the URL?
>
> Chad
>
> On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> >
> >
> >
> > A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> > in small and medium business (SME's)
> >
> >
> >
> > We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> > as well as tips
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Smorfitt
> >
> > MainSpring - driving business development
> >
> > http://main-spring.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> >
> > +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> >
> > +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:40:21 +0200
> From: "Rob Smorfitt " <robs at mainspring.co.za>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: "'Central Wikia Mailing List'" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <006701c747cb$2bcdf6c0$4001a8c0 at cradungroup.co.za>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="windows-1250"
>
> Hi Chad
>
> http://sme.wikia.com
>
> Rob Smorfitt
> MainSpring - driving business development
> www.mainspring.co.za
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Chad Lupkes
> Sent: 03 February 2007 21:34
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> What's the URL?
>
> Chad
>
> On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> >
> >
> >
> > A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> > in small and medium business (SME's)
> >
> >
> >
> > We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> > as well as tips
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Smorfitt
> >
> > MainSpring - driving business development
> >
> > http://main-spring.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> >
> > +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> >
> > +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:35:14 -0500
> From: "Scott Hanson" <scarecroe at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
> "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
>
> -Scott
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:43:59 -0800
> From: "John Q." <johnq at wikia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] search broken again
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <45C77AEF.7020908 at wikia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> Ok, thanks Scott. We'll take a look as soon as we can.
> Q.
>
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
> > Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
> > "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
> >
> > -Scott
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
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> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:55:47 -0500
> From: "Frankie Fans" <frankiefans at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Pew report on tagging
> To: wikia-l at wikia.com
> Message-ID:
>        <86f2075f0702060955k2646d117sd9f7b214d5310f84 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> good read  --
>
> http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/201/report_display.asp
>
>
> Just as the internet allows users to create and share their own media, it
> is
> also enabling them to organize digital material their own way, rather than
> relying on pre-existing formats of classifying information.
>
> A December 2006 survey has found that 28% of internet users have tagged or
> categorized content online such as photos, news stories or blog posts. On
> a
> typical day online, 7% of internet users say they tag or categorize online
> content.
>
> The report features an interview with David Weinberger, a prominent
> blogger
> and fellow at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet & Society.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:08:27 -0800
> From: Angela <beesley at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] What is your Wikia story?
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <8b722b800702070908r32560574hdd26fd79c132e736 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Do you have a story to tell about Wikia?
>
> Please share it at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia:Our_stories
>
> The page is hoped to be an interesting place to find out about how
> other users are using Wikia and what their wiki is doing for them. It
> could also be useful for reporters when they want to add a more human
> perspective to their stories about Wikia.
>
> I look forward to seeing your stories!
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:57:11 -0800
> From: "John Q." <johnq at wikia.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <45CCD217.6020601 at wikia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:21:38 -0500
> From: "Scott Hanson" <scarecroe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
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> Thanks for the head's up, John.
>
> -Scott
>
>
> On 2/9/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> > they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> > the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> > re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Q.
> >
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> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:14:03 -0800
> From: Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Outage
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
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> Folks,
>
> We had a bit of a blip earlier on the website related to a file
> server.  We just received a replacement server and it will be brought
> online soon to prevent things like this from happening.
> Let us know if you see any further issues.
>
> Matthew
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 16:50:18 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:50:18 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
Message-ID: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/10/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everyone, Um well i am not sure what to think i have a nameless ip
> address on my wikia and i do not know if they are testing pages or what but
> they keep adding articles like Jamesha and stuff. I do not want to ban them
> because that would just encourage them more i think i will just wait them
> out and keep removing the stuff. Phillip http://puppet.wikia.com

Hi Phillip,

The edits seem to be relevant to the puppet wiki. I've put a copy of
one of the pages you deleted at
http://puppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Puppet_Wikia:Sandbox&oldid=5208
so others can see what it is. The pages about song spoofs seem fine
too.

Other pages seem a bit confusing, but on-topic, so perhaps the user
just needs to explain what they are writing about. See
http://puppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Puppet_Wikia:Sandbox&oldid=5205
for example.

I think it would be best to unblock the user and talk to them on their
discussion page at
http://puppet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:74.128.200.222 to explain how
they should be editing.

Angela


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 21:15:48 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:15:48 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>

That page is pure nonsense. We've seen stuff like that on Muppet Wiki a lot.
That's not a confused person who needs an explanation. That's an autistic
kid who needs to be blocked.


-- Danny
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 18:45:48 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:45:48 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers :)

Angela


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 22:47:29 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>

Well, that's not a newcomer. I've seen that person before; he's been posting
similar nonsense on Muppet Wiki for a long time.

"Jamesha Beard, Madeline Kahn, And Kermit the Frog Appear In. In Elmo's
World Instead Of "Jamesha Beard's World"

That's not just badly formatted content; it's actual nonsense, written by
somebody with OCD. If you'd like to see more of that contributor's work,
check out this link:

http://lyrics.astraweb.com/browse/bands/18/Jameshabeard.html

where you can find 75 "songs" about Jamesha Beard, Kermit, Miss Piggy,
Sesame Street and Muppet Pinball. It doesn't matter which one you click on;
they're all nuts.

In most cases, I agree with "Please do not bite the newcomers", but there
are moments when common sense tells you that this isn't your average
newcomer. Some people are just nuts, and being nice to them doesn't turn
them into productive contributors. In fact, keeping them around will drive
away your regular contributors.


-- Danny
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 11 23:13:25 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (greenreaper at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>

To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur and start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though - we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most suitable place for their content. Their value seems minimal at best, and the articles have been deleted at WikiFur.

--
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Danny Horn 
  To: Central Wikia Mailing List 
  Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki


  Well, that's not a newcomer. I've seen that person before; he's been posting similar nonsense on Muppet Wiki for a long time. 

  "Jamesha Beard, Madeline Kahn, And Kermit the Frog Appear In. In Elmo's World Instead Of "Jamesha Beard's World" 

  That's not just badly formatted content; it's actual nonsense, written by somebody with OCD. If you'd like to see more of that contributor's work, check out this link:

  http://lyrics.astraweb.com/browse/bands/18/Jameshabeard.html

  where you can find 75 "songs" about Jamesha Beard, Kermit, Miss Piggy, Sesame Street and Muppet Pinball. It doesn't matter which one you click on; they're all nuts.

  In most cases, I agree with "Please do not bite the newcomers", but there are moments when common sense tells you that this isn't your average newcomer. Some people are just nuts, and being nice to them doesn't turn them into productive contributors. In fact, keeping them around will drive away your regular contributors. 


  -- Danny




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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 23:58:26 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:58:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702111558t44361c54jcfc1f920f6514c8f@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, here's a couple pages that this productive "newcomer" just added to
WikiFur:

deleted "I Love You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Love_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>":
content was: 'A Parody Of the Song "I Hate You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Hate_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>"In
this song, Miss Piggy <http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Miss_Piggy> shows a heart
and a banjo of Kermiit the
Frog's<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kermiit_the_Frog%27s&action=edit>Theme,And
Jamesha Bea...'

deleted "I Hate You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Hate_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>":
content was: 'Grover Sings About The Disco Song, "I Hate You, Kermit"
Song.This Song Parodied "I Love You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Love_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>
.'

deleted "Kiss Kermit the
Frog<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kiss_Kermit_the_Frog&action=edit>":
content was: 'A Parody Of "Elmo's
Song<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Elmo%27s_Song&action=edit>"In
this Song, Madeline
Kahn<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Madeline_Kahn&action=edit>Helps
The Muppets With An Big Kiss.'

deleted "Elmo's
Song<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Elmo%27s_Song&action=edit>":
content was: 'Sung By Elmo, Big Bird, And Snuffy.This Song Parodied "Kiss
Kermit the Frog<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kiss_Kermit_the_Frog&action=edit>
"'

None of those songs exist. Angela, do you really think that the best thing
to do would be to welcome this guy, because "perhaps the user just needs to
explain what they are writing about"? At what point do you think an
administrator can legitimately say, this guy is batshit crazy?

Angela, I'm honestly astonished at your group facilitation skills. Your
instincts are, as ever, flawless.


-- Danny
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 02:01:24 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:01:24 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>

Has the site stalled right now?


-- Danny
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 02:09:43 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:09:43 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702111809v481246f7ib92684a31f83db8c@mail.gmail.com>

It had, looks to be up now

On 2/12/07, Danny Horn <toughpigs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has the site stalled right now?
>
>
> -- Danny
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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>


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From duncan at wikia.com  Mon Feb 12 02:10:36 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:10:36 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6A4DE28-478C-4D3B-98A7-A4A3BCBFCD56@wikia.com>

I believe we had another network blip, but I don't recall these being  
scheduled.

Matthew
On Feb 11, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Danny Horn wrote:

> Has the site stalled right now?
>
>
> -- Danny
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 06:40:25 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:40:25 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>

> To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur and
> start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though -
> we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most
> suitable place for their content.

Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
this user.

Wikipedia has dozens of warning templates for users like this -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace
The idea is to make them contribute usefully or give them fair warning
if they really can not. We have people like this every day on
Wikipedia and they are never blocked without warning for it.

Even if that one user is never going to be a useful member of your
community, it sends a positive message to other new users who will be
useful members, rather than scaring them into thinking they are likely
to be banned any minute if they don't understand some policy (which
was very much the feeling at the Open Directory Project every time
someone was blocked for violating a policy new users hadn't even heard
of). Please remember that banning someone can affect the whole
community - and not just the user you block.

Angela


From johnjreaves at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 07:21:25 2007
From: johnjreaves at gmail.com (John Reaves)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:21:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Autoblocked
Message-ID: <21bbbd860702112321i3b181644g17185c6b387d932c@mail.gmail.com>

My IP (74.140.190.187) was autoblocked for using User:Public account.  Can
someone unblock this please?  Also, my RfA at the Harry Potter wiki (
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Harry_Potter_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal)
appears to have reached consensus.  If someone could take  look, it would be
appreciated.

-John Reaves
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 12 07:26:32 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (greenreaper at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com><BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
	<8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV7737B40FCD8719EDA8128A5910@phx.gbl>

> Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
> wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
> discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
> this user.

Well, I should note that another of our admins went through and deleted all 
of those pages shortly after I posted. Different admins have differing 
tolerance levels. :-)

I think that there is a need for both a definite response to material that 
should not be on a particular wiki, _and_ an explicit "offering of the olive 
branch" to the people who are, perhaps, not quite on the same page as 
everyone else. If that branch is refused or ignored, then it may become 
necessary to move to other resolutions.

I agree that a friendly atmosphere encourages both public contribution and 
increases the public reputation of the project. I know that some people do 
not contribute, just watch WikiFur's recent changes for items of interest, 
and I am keenly aware that my actions there (and here) reflect on the wiki 
as a whole.

WikiFur has a good reputation in part because its admins are usually willing 
to be patient when problems arise. That doesn't mean we let random 
contributors walk all over our policies - I reverted someone just now for 
deleting someone else's talk on a discussion page - but we do explain what 
we're doing and why, and try to suggest alternatives to them, even if it's 
not clear that they will listen, because we know that the other people who 
see it will. Just because a talk page is "personal" does not mean it is less 
subject to monitoring by others.

I think Wikipedia sometimes waits too long to respond, in part because it is 
so distributed. But not waiting at all (or responding without trying to 
explain) is not ideal either. There is always more time on a wiki - or at 
least, there should be. If there is no admin time to deal with such users, 
you need to make sure other contributors can handle such situations and feel 
that they are entitled to speak to such people on behalf of the wiki. The 
more the merrier, in this situation, as it means less stress for individual 
admins.

Thoughtfully,

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" 



From toughpigs at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 11:31:31 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:31:31 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
	<8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702120331q2799e7b9s2ad59d843d0d2380@mail.gmail.com>

Wikipedia has 43,000 contributors a month. They can afford to be more
lenient, because if you don't have time to deal with a vandal, you have tens
of thousands of colleagues who can do it for you. An individual vandal, or
nutjob, can't do very much harm to the 1.4 million pages on Wikipedia.

In contrast, WikiFur has 90 contributors. Puppet Wiki currently has 6.
Policies and procedures that work for a group of 43,000 people don't make
sense for a group of 6.

One thing that makes good, productive contributors feel unsafe is the idea
that the group is overrun by vandals and crazy people. I don't think new
people want to see that particular contributor welcomed by the admins.
People can tell the difference between inexperienced newbies and lunatics.
Well, most people can, anyway.


-- Danny


On 2/12/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur
> and
> > start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though -
> > we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most
> > suitable place for their content.
>
> Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
> wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
> discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
> this user.
>
> Wikipedia has dozens of warning templates for users like this -
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace
> The idea is to make them contribute usefully or give them fair warning
> if they really can not. We have people like this every day on
> Wikipedia and they are never blocked without warning for it.
>
> Even if that one user is never going to be a useful member of your
> community, it sends a positive message to other new users who will be
> useful members, rather than scaring them into thinking they are likely
> to be banned any minute if they don't understand some policy (which
> was very much the feeling at the Open Directory Project every time
> someone was blocked for violating a policy new users hadn't even heard
> of). Please remember that banning someone can affect the whole
> community - and not just the user you block.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From jwales at wikia.com  Mon Feb 12 20:27:35 2007
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702120331q2799e7b9s2ad59d843d0d2380@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>	<8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702120331q2799e7b9s2ad59d843d0d2380@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D0CDB7.2030303@wikia.com>

As the oldest of old timers, my own position here is that I have no 
position and respect both points of view.  The key to successful wiki 
culture, to my mind, is precisely having these kinds of interesting 
varying points of view on how to deal with problem users.  In the dialog 
around that tension, wisdom emerges.

Here are some things I think everyone can agree with:

1. Vandals and crazy people have to be dealt with for the benefit of the 
entire community.

2.  Usually we can tell the difference between newbies and crazy people, 
but sometimes they do look quite similar. :)

3. Even with vandals and crazy people, firmness and respect both play a 
role.  Demeaning or insulting a troll only makes them worse.  Treating 
them as if their behavior is acceptable only makes them worse.  We just 
have to firmly say "no, sorry, you can't do that here.  I hope we can 
help you have fun in some more helpful way, but if we can't, we can't."

4.  Wikia is not therapy.  We are not here to help people cure their 
problems.  If they need professional help, they should get professional 
help.

5.  Wikia is not a police state.  Good admins know that a healthy degree 
of sane dissent in our communities makes us stronger and more thoughtful.

6. EVEN WITH general agreement on statements like this, good admins may 
find themselves in respectful disagreement on many particular cases, and 
on how far to carry out different principles which appear to be in tension.

--Jimbo


From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Tue Feb 13 07:00:53 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:00:53 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>

Just a follow-up on the status of the spammer on the Puppet Wikia. I banned
him and Angela removed some of his edits (Thanks Angela). My first thought
from reading some information about the problem of spam was to change so
only a user can only edit i decided not to and just go head to head with
spammers and beat them at their own game. One thing i thought was weird
about the IP's edits is that the only page he edited that he did not create
was the sandbox; my understanding of spammers is that they vandelize pages
that are already added.

Spammers and the cause of spamming in my view is a very complex issue. I
mean would they spam there own website or blog? i would like to thank
everyone for their input on this subject it has been interesting
reading what they would do. Hopefully that will be the last of the spam for
awhile; another reason i think they spam is because they are bored but it
would make much more sense if they just helped with the project instead of
adding nonsense.

Regards,
*Phillip "Muppets101"*
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 00:58:41 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>

I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They seem
really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying something
new.

So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is this
all new?


-- Danny
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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 01:00:54 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:00:54 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702131700m42d110cfgbffa310bc31289f7@mail.gmail.com>

The spin is a new skin from ArmchairGM, at least on Politics.  Ramping up
the innovation!

Chad


On 2/13/07, Danny Horn <toughpigs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They seem
> really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying something
> new.
>
> So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is
> this all new?
>
>
> -- Danny
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Feb 14 02:28:06 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:28:06 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0702131700m42d110cfgbffa310bc31289f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
	<801553ab0702131700m42d110cfgbffa310bc31289f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D273B6.3030101@wikia.com>

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From jwales at wikia.com  Wed Feb 14 03:53:43 2007
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:53:43 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>

Danny Horn wrote:
> I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They 
> seem really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying 
> something new.
> 
> So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is 
> this all new?

Pretty neat stuff, huh?  I am happy that we are finally starting to see 
the results of the investment... it costs a lot to innovate this stuff, 
but it's pretty cool, and all open source, and all free content, and it 
makes my head explode with the possibilities.

I think muppets (for example) is best with the traditional format, but I 
have to wonder if there aren't some interesting "magazine" spin off 
possibilities for you guys, too, perhaps at a sister site?  I am just 
brainstorming here...

--Jimbo


From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 04:10:30 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:10:30 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702132010s5e78f612qd2454061a9b7b9ae@mail.gmail.com>

I'm actually more comfortable in the standard skin, but the sky is
certainly the limit.

Chad

On 2/13/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> Danny Horn wrote:
> > I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They
> > seem really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying
> > something new.
> >
> > So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is
> > this all new?
>
> Pretty neat stuff, huh?  I am happy that we are finally starting to see
> the results of the investment... it costs a lot to innovate this stuff,
> but it's pretty cool, and all open source, and all free content, and it
> makes my head explode with the possibilities.
>
> I think muppets (for example) is best with the traditional format, but I
> have to wonder if there aren't some interesting "magazine" spin off
> possibilities for you guys, too, perhaps at a sister site?  I am just
> brainstorming here...
>
> --Jimbo
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From markdarb at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 09:27:28 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:27:28 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
	<af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm at high school and I know lots of people who vandalise on Wikipedia (my
school's been blocked from editing a few times, which is very annoying for
me). I try in vain to dissuade them from vandalising, but they're just not
interested in making constructive edits because that's no fun. Thankfully
none of them have moved onto vandalising Wikia.

People my age are just very good at doing really stupid things and enjoying
it, and this is one of them. For some inexplicable reason they find it funny
when they make Wikipedia say something stupid. They also think it's funny
when they get blocked for a couple of weeks. They get some sort of pleasure
from this. I'm not sure if boredom's the reason, although I suppose people
only do this sort of thing if they're bored. So yes it's a very complex
issue, but in my opinion it all boils down to mere stupidity, ignorance and
selfishness - they're having fun and they don't care how it might affect
others, or if anything the way it affects others is funny in itself.

Well, that's what it boils down to for high school spammers. I suppose there
are all sorts of other motives for vandalism, so it really is a complex
issue!

Mark.

On 13/02/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just a follow-up on the status of the spammer on the Puppet Wikia. I
> banned him and Angela removed some of his edits (Thanks Angela). My
> first thought from reading some information about the problem of spam was to
> change so only a user can only edit i decided not to and just go head to
> head with spammers and beat them at their own game. One thing i thought was
> weird about the IP's edits is that the only page he edited that he did not
> create was the sandbox; my understanding of spammers is that they vandelize
> pages that are already added.
>
> Spammers and the cause of spamming in my view is a very complex issue. I
> mean would they spam there own website or blog? i would like to thank
> everyone for their input on this subject it has been interesting
> reading what they would do. Hopefully that will be the last of the spam for
> awhile; another reason i think they spam is because they are bored but it
> would make much more sense if they just helped with the project instead of
> adding nonsense.
>
> Regards,
> *Phillip "Muppets101"*
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:06:25 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).

I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like I'm
MickeyMouse-ing it.

Thanks,
Scott
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:10:14 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:10:14 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>

I have a way around this.

Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like this

http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0

Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
done.

On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
> is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
>
> I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like I'm
> MickeyMouse-ing it.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:14:15 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.



On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a way around this.
>
> Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> this
>
>
> http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
>
> Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> done.
>
> On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> >
> > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> I'm
> > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:21:06 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:21:06 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>

OK, that I did not see. Bug in MediaWiki?

On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.
>
>
>
>
> On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a way around this.
> >
> > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> this
> >
> >
> http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> >
> > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > done.
> >
> > On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> > >
> > > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> I'm
> > > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Scott
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikia-l mailing list
> > > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:33:29 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>	<af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D3AA59.5000706@gmail.com>

Mark William Darbyshire wrote:
> I'm at high school and I know lots of people who vandalise on 
> Wikipedia (my school's been blocked from editing a few times, which is 
> very annoying for me). I try in vain to dissuade them from 
> vandalising, but they're just not interested in making constructive 
> edits because that's no fun. Thankfully none of them have moved onto 
> vandalising Wikia.
>
> People my age are just very good at doing really stupid things and 
> enjoying it, and this is one of them. For some inexplicable reason 
> they find it funny when they make Wikipedia say something stupid. They 
> also think it's funny when they get blocked for a couple of weeks. 
> They get some sort of pleasure from this. I'm not sure if boredom's 
> the reason, although I suppose people only do this sort of thing if 
> they're bored. So yes it's a very complex issue, but in my opinion it 
> all boils down to mere stupidity, ignorance and selfishness - they're 
> having fun and they don't care how it might affect others, or if 
> anything the way it affects others is funny in itself.
>
> Well, that's what it boils down to for high school spammers. I suppose 
> there are all sorts of other motives for vandalism, so it really is a 
> complex issue!
>
> Mark.
>
If anyone knows of individuals who are using school resources to 
vandalize Wikia, please let the staff know; I can't speak for everyone, 
but I for one will be more than happy to phone up the head of IT for the 
school and have a chat. I've done it a number of times for Wikipedia, 
and usually solves the problem quite quickly. (On that note, if anyone 
knows about it on Wikipedia, there is a page for such reports 
[[Wikipedia:Abuse reports]].)

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From lcarsdata at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 15 08:42:23 2007
From: lcarsdata at googlemail.com (Robert Leverington)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:42:23 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a3c9ee0702150042y56a4af40qaa76e52e9c75fb68@mail.gmail.com>

It is a value is LocalSettings.php - it is set low because it is
generally considered that no one would want to go higher. Once you
unredirect one another one will appear on the top of the list. Ask
Angela and she might get it changed.
Yours,
Robert.

On 15/02/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, that I did not see. Bug in MediaWiki?
>
> On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have a way around this.
> > >
> > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> > this
> > >
> > >
> > http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > >
> > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > > done.
> > >
> > > On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> > Special:Listredirects
> > > > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> > I'm
> > > > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Scott
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Wikia-l mailing list
> > > > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikia-l mailing list
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From robinp at xtra.co.nz  Thu Feb 15 10:44:52 2007
From: robinp at xtra.co.nz (Robin Patterson)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:44:52 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8a3c9ee0702150042y56a4af40qaa76e52e9c75fb68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018701c750ee$542fb640$860cf6d2@633>

How about changing the offset instead of the limit?
Robin

----- Original Message ----- 
.....
> > > On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > I have a way around this.
> > > >
> > > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new
url that may look like
> > > this
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > > >
> > > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it.



From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 02:01:54 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site unavail...
Message-ID: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>

Hi,

While launching a lot of new sites, we had a configuration issue which 
we're resolving right now. We'll be back on-line in a jiffy.

Thanks,
John Q.



From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 02:02:51 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:02:51 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site unavail...
In-Reply-To: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>
References: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <45D510CB.7060201@wikia.com>

Ok... site is avail once again.

John Q. wrote:

>Hi,
>
>While launching a lot of new sites, we had a configuration issue which 
>we're resolving right now. We'll be back on-line in a jiffy.
>
>Thanks,
>John Q.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wikia-l mailing list
>Wikia-l at wikia.com
>http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>  
>


From duncan at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 04:18:13 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:18:13 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Issues
Message-ID: <D2396E14-A47C-49E2-887A-FF26F59F3113@wikia.com>

Folks,

One of our upstream providers had a bit of a service interruption  
again.  I'm getting more information about this.  It's been a bit of  
a bumpy week network-wise.

Matthew


From duncan at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 04:24:50 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:24:50 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Update
Message-ID: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>


Folks,

Our upstream provider said they just had a control module on a router  
switchover to a backup unit.

Matthew


From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 11:14:24 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:14:24 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/14/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
> is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).

I believe the limit is there for performance reasons and the only way
to get the full list is to download the database and extract a list
from there. Perhaps we could experiment with upping the limit to
something more than 1000, and check it doesn't kill the site. Do you
want the full list as a one-off or is it somthing you regularly need?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 12:48:05 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.

Thanks,
Scott


On 2/16/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/14/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
>
> I believe the limit is there for performance reasons and the only way
> to get the full list is to download the database and extract a list
> from there. Perhaps we could experiment with upping the limit to
> something more than 1000, and check it doesn't kill the site. Do you
> want the full list as a one-off or is it somthing you regularly need?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 18:17:47 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:17:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Update
In-Reply-To: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>
References: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702161017u6da71ab1qd24df14b9c245464@mail.gmail.com>

We seem to be having some network slowness and site downage... don't know if
it's related to last night's problem or not, but thought I'd send a head's
up just in case.

-Scott


On 2/15/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Our upstream provider said they just had a control module on a router
> switchover to a backup unit.
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 19:08:42 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:08:42 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] brief site problem...
Message-ID: <45D6013A.40301@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We had a brief problem with the site a little while ago for about 15 
minutes. Everything should be back to normal. Please let us know if you 
continue to see anything out of whack.

Thanks,
John Q.



From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 21:53:20 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:53:20 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/16/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.

I've left you a list at http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Scarecroe/Redirects

Hopefully the toolserver Wikia will be getting later this year will
enable users to run their own queries to create these sorts of lists.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 22:46:10 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:46:10 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702161446s75ffed62w7cb22c39e897f1e0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

On 2/16/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/16/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.
>
> I've left you a list at
> http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Scarecroe/Redirects
>
> Hopefully the toolserver Wikia will be getting later this year will
> enable users to run their own queries to create these sorts of lists.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 15:03:39 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
extension?

Special:Imagelist is limited to sorting by name, size and date.

Special:Log/Upload has some search fields, but nothing I've tried has
worked. For example, .ogg, *.ogg, Image:*.ogg, Media:*.ogg

As you can tell, I'm trying to keep track of all the .ogg files that have
been uploaded, but the same could be said if I were looking for all the .gif
or .png files.

Any ideas on how one could do this? Just trying to do some more maintenance.

Thanks in advance,
Scott
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 15:31:32 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:31:32 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/17/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
> extension?

That feature doesn't exist. When we upgrade, we'll get the version
Wikipedia uses - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Imagelist -
which allows sorting by Date, Name, User, Size, and Description. Since
the file type doesn't exist as a field in the database, it isn't
possible to sort by that, unlike the other fields.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 17:25:21 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:25:21 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702170925o510490acn5d00dbe95fd84065@mail.gmail.com>

I see. Surely there's another way to keep track o such things?

For example, Special:Log/Upload lets you filter results to the user and file
name, but the file name field only works if you know the exact file name. Is
there a wildcard that can be used, such as using *.ogg in Windows?

Or perhaps a bot that I could run myself to run a report on specific search
terms?

-Scott


On 2/17/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/17/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
> > extension?
>
> That feature doesn't exist. When we upgrade, we'll get the version
> Wikipedia uses - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Imagelist -
> which allows sorting by Date, Name, User, Size, and Description. Since
> the file type doesn't exist as a field in the database, it isn't
> possible to sort by that, unlike the other fields.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
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From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 12:51:45 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:51:45 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
Message-ID: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>

Wikia is pleased to be sponsoring Wikimania again this year. Wikimania
is the annual international conference of the Wikimedia Foundation and
will be held in Taipei in August.

Although Wikia is not a Wikimedia project, the conference is very
relevant to Wikia users, and we encourage you to attend. You will
learn more about the fun, theory, and practice of wikis and related
free content communities, have a chance to discuss your wiki, meet
other Wikians, meet Wikia staff, and hang out with Jimmy Wales! :) A
special Wikia users group meeting will be held during or just before
Wikimania.

Wikia has a small number of partial scholarships available to Wikia
editors who need support with the costs of travel, accommodation, or
entry fees for Wikimania. Please see
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania for details of how to apply for
this funding.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From bhorst at mac.com  Mon Feb 19 17:40:58 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:40:58 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
Message-ID: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>

Hello Wikia folks,

I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's  
currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I  
have that they can't answer.

In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that  
each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and  
"boston.wikipages.com" etc.

Before I try that, though, I thought I'd inquire: Is it possible to  
host a site like mine on Wikia, but keep my domain name, and possibly  
add subdomains in the future?

Thanks,
Ben


From tibor.szurok at freemail.hu  Mon Feb 19 18:15:05 2007
From: tibor.szurok at freemail.hu (Szurok Tibor)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:15:05 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c75451$e31b4d90$a951e8b0$@szurok@freemail.hu>

Hello Ben,
I have a sullotion but it is not the best. 
I host my dns entries at a 3th party (Zoneedit), the main domain (larp.hu)
is redirected to the wikia page (hu.larp.wikia.com) and you can redirect al
kind of subdomains (like about.larp.hu) to any url
(http://hu.larp.wikia.com/wiki/LSZT). 
But:
It's not the best sollution, because the user can see, that he/she is
redirected, because in the address bar the new url is visible. You can also
hide the redirection, but it use a 0 high frame and it's not the best way in
the 21th century.

regards:
Tibor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf Of Benjamin Horst
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:41 PM
> To: wikia-l at wikia.com
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
> 
> Hello Wikia folks,
> 
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
> have that they can't answer.
> 
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
> 
> Before I try that, though, I thought I'd inquire: Is it possible to
> host a site like mine on Wikia, but keep my domain name, and possibly
> add subdomains in the future?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 21 09:43:15 2007
From: florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Florian_K=E4utner?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:43:15 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ben!

2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
>
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.


There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a bouquet
of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.

Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what copyright
or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you but wikia
is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it even can
be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions for this
which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial
use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC
licences).

Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not edited
for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read: adopt)
this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
other places if you like.

For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.

Just my two cents,
Florian
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From bhorst at mac.com  Wed Feb 21 19:20:22 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:20:22 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>

Hi Angela,

How many attendees do you expect for Wikimania 2007? How many attended Wikimania 2006?

Thanks,
Ben

----
OpenOffice and open source blog:
http://www.solidoffice.com/

Wiki business directory:
http://www.wikipages.com/

 
On Monday, February 19, 2007, at 07:48AM, "Angela" <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>Wikia is pleased to be sponsoring Wikimania again this year. Wikimania
>is the annual international conference of the Wikimedia Foundation and
>will be held in Taipei in August.
>
>Although Wikia is not a Wikimedia project, the conference is very
>relevant to Wikia users, and we encourage you to attend. You will
>learn more about the fun, theory, and practice of wikis and related
>free content communities, have a chance to discuss your wiki, meet
>other Wikians, meet Wikia staff, and hang out with Jimmy Wales! :) A
>special Wikia users group meeting will be held during or just before
>Wikimania.
>
>Wikia has a small number of partial scholarships available to Wikia
>editors who need support with the costs of travel, accommodation, or
>entry fees for Wikimania. Please see
>http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania for details of how to apply for
>this funding.
>
>Angela
>
>-- 
>Angela Beesley
>Wikia.com
>_______________________________________________
>Wikia-l mailing list
>Wikia-l at wikia.com
>http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


From beesley at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 19:26:15 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:26:15 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
In-Reply-To: <143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
	<143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702211126s3566b263t2501a56dea4b1f29@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/21/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
> Hi Angela,
>
> How many attendees do you expect for Wikimania 2007? How many attended Wikimania 2006?

I believe there were around 400 last year and a similar number are
being planned for this year.

Angela


From rsw154 at psu.edu  Thu Feb 22 01:00:39 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
Message-ID: <1172106037l.1417280l.0l@psu.edu>


TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > I have a way around this.
> > >
> > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> > this
> > >
> > >
> >
http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > >
> > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > > done.

Scott Hanson wrote:
> > Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.

TwoTailedFox wrote:
> Bug in MediaWiki?

IMHO it is a bug.  See "Forum:Logs stop after 30 days" on the central wikia
(especially the bottom of the page) for further discussion.


cheers,
r.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802



From rsw154 at psu.edu  Thu Feb 22 02:43:26 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
Message-ID: <1172112204l.798902l.0l@psu.edu>


Jimmy Wales wrote:
> The key to successful wiki 
> culture, to my mind, is precisely having these kinds of interesting 
> varying points of view on how to deal with problem users.



I am moved to add my two cents to this conversation, recalling that Angela's
"Let's have a zero-tolerance politeness rule" post came suspiciously soon after
an arguably snarky policy revision on the Doom Wiki, where I hang out.

Video games, like conventional athletic competitions, tap directly into the
lizard brain instincts of all who play regularly.  The degree to which these
instincts interfere with rational thought, empathy, and constructive collective
behavior cannot be overstated.  A few supremely introspective participants
force themselves to keep the meritocracy in perspective, and attempt to pursue
the philosophical ideals of athletics (teamwork, self-discipline, thinking on
one's feet, civic pride).  The large majority, on the other hand, become
enslaved by their own endorphins and embody somewhat different ideals
(narcissism, territorialism, one-upmanship, religious zealotry).  In
conventional athletics, the latter group can still perform well when controlled
by a militaristic coach, but gamers generally have no coaches, and internet
access is cheap, so each player gets an equal voice.

As a result of this population imbalance, whenever a web page about gaming
reaches a certain size, it bifurcates into a protected area, containing actual
information, and a public area, which is more like the floor of the Chicago
Stock Exchange.  What makes the Doom Wiki unusual is its claim to combine the
two: anyone can participate, yet our goal is an organized "encyclopedia".  I
suppose the limited scope of the project, relative to Wikipedia, may counteract
certain large problems (if a non-bot even bothers to look us up, they're
probably not against the entire concept of Doom), but the fact remains that
with trifling exception, all editors and all readers there are gamers.  Each
time a new vanity article or a new picture of a penis arrives, I can hear the
snarling hordes encamped on the horizon.

On the Doom Wiki, when a new contributor adds content without bothering to read
our formatting or notability guidelines, or to double-check any technical data
against existing secondary sources, the edit is usually corrected or reverted
without explanation (aside from the edit summary).  The aforementioned "puppet
wiki editor" would probably also receive a note on his/her user page, but the
various admins tend to use varying language to describe the appropriation of a
reference work for personal artistic expression.  Out-and-out vandals have been
known to receive permanent bans the first time they show themselves.

I am often told IRL that I am a rather genteel representative of the human
species; if true, I hope that that makes me a relatively benign presence on the
internet at large.  Since joining a gaming project of this magnitude, however,
I have learned from our veteran editors (who between them have taken decades of
abuse on forums and listservs in direct proportion to their own dedication) to
develop a more... balanced view of the average wiki reader.



cheers,
r.


_____________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802




From markdarb at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 04:51:41 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:51:41 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
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I had a look at this particular wiki a few days ago.

At present it is not clearly released under a particular licence. The page
http://www.wikipages.com/index.php/Wikipages.com:About says:
All content distributed on Wikipages is licensed... (Creative Commons
probably, details TBD).

With the wiki not officially licensed under a particular licence, and with
so many contributors, I doubt that Wikia would be prepared to host it.
Permission needs to be obtained from every single contributor before the
work is licensed under a Creative Commons licence or the GFDL. This isn't
really possible, so I can't see Wikipages being ported to Wikia. On the
other hand, perhaps "all content...is licenced...details TBD" is enough to
give the owner of the wiki the right to decide on any licence to release it
under.

Anyway, someone from Wikia will have to comment on this (such as Jimmy or
Angela). I'm just saying all this because so far noone else has!


On 21/02/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> >
> > I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
> >
> > In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> > each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> > "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a
> bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
> sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
> tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
> for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
> created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.
>
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you
> but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it
> even can be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions
> for this which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts
> commercial use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several
> CC licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not
> edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read:
> adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
> http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
> licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
> wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
> currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
> other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
> wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
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From bhorst at mac.com  Thu Feb 22 12:37:59 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702212051x11906e4bx44730b19baa26d19@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Mark,

I know all of the contributors, so setting the license should be  
relatively easy. Plus, the majority of the information is purely  
factual, like business names, street addresses and phone numbers,  
which, to my understanding, cannot be copyrighted.

But I have long wondered and been unable to determine whether the  
GFDL or a CC license would be more appropriate for Wikipages. What is  
the Wikia opinion on these license options?

Thanks,
Ben

On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Mark William Darbyshire wrote:

> I had a look at this particular wiki a few days ago.
>
> At present it is not clearly released under a particular licence.  
> The page http://www.wikipages.com/index.php/Wikipages.com:About says:
> All content distributed on Wikipages is licensed... (Creative  
> Commons probably, details TBD).
>
> With the wiki not officially licensed under a particular licence,  
> and with so many contributors, I doubt that Wikia would be prepared  
> to host it. Permission needs to be obtained from every single  
> contributor before the work is licensed under a Creative Commons  
> licence or the GFDL. This isn't really possible, so I can't see  
> Wikipages being ported to Wikia. On the other hand, perhaps "all  
> content...is licenced...details TBD" is enough to give the owner of  
> the wiki the right to decide on any licence to release it under.
>
> Anyway, someone from Wikia will have to comment on this (such as  
> Jimmy or Angela). I'm just saying all this because so far noone  
> else has!
>
>
> On 21/02/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> " boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across  
> a bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is  
> doing it, sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;)  
> True, it's a bit tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you  
> need an external database for authentication, you need a mechanism  
> on user talk pages, wikia just created for itself, ...) but I can  
> start a little investigation if you like.
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what  
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a  
> minor for you but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you  
> release all copyright, it even can be used for commercial  
> products). There are very rare exceptions for this which are on a  
> CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial use of  
> the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC  
> licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:  
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places . This New York Wiki was  
> not edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly  
> takeover" (read: adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this.  
> ( http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect  
> the licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast  
> userbase (all wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting  
> is care free (you are currently running a fairly old 1.6 version),  
> you can link to interwikis of other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and  
> other wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/ 
> About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l

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From bhorst at mac.com  Thu Feb 22 12:44:19 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
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Florian,

Thanks for your suggestions.

I've looked into some of the technical issues with the subdomains,  
and there is documentation about doing it with MediaWiki, but for the  
most part, it's beyond my skill level of server administration (which  
is relatively basic).

I'm somewhat familiar with the different licenses of GFDL and the CC  
gamut, but I don't know the nuances well enough to be sure of which  
one I want... If this list can help me choose one for my content, I  
would be very pleased.

I should also clarify what Wikipages is a bit more. Unlike a city  
wiki that might be a travel guide or complete description of a city,  
Wikipages is a business directory (you could call it a "yellow pages"  
except that term is trademarked). The idea is that it's easy to keep  
it up-to-date rather than rely on a printed book that quickly becomes  
obsolete.

Thanks,
Ben

On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Florian K?utner wrote:

> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across  
> a bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is  
> doing it, sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;)  
> True, it's a bit tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you  
> need an external database for authentication, you need a mechanism  
> on user talk pages, wikia just created for itself, ...) but I can  
> start a little investigation if you like.
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what  
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a  
> minor for you but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you  
> release all copyright, it even can be used for commercial  
> products). There are very rare exceptions for this which are on a  
> CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial use of  
> the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC  
> licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:  
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was  
> not edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly  
> takeover" (read: adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this.  
> ( http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect  
> the licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast  
> userbase (all wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting  
> is care free (you are currently running a fairly old 1.6 version),  
> you can link to interwikis of other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and  
> other wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/ 
> About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l

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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 03:49:25 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:49:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>

Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 04:12:30 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:12:30 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
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From jamie at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 04:12:18 2007
From: jamie at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
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Yup.

It definitely does seem like there is a significant slowdown. If past
behaviour is any indication of future events, I am sure it will pass soon
enough; probably related to Wikia's service provider. That would indicate to
me that it may be beyond their control.

>From first hand knowledge, I know that Wikia keeps a constant vigil on
network conditions. With all that said, I don't see a necessity to
constantly spam the central mailing list with these advisories.

Can I suggest instead we either notify Wikia on IRC or discreetly email a
technical representative?

Thanks for your consideration.


Jamie Hari
Marvel Database Project


On 2/22/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.
>
> -Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 04:21:01 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:21:01 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702222021k1224e9eek89d00528b2553bb6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

You guys are on top of things as usual. About 20 minutes after I sent the
message, the site picked up again and I figured my you noticed the spike --
either by your own means or thanks to the email. I'm cautious to hit send
now, as that has usually meant in the past that things get slow again just
after I verify that they're okay :)

Thanks again,
Scott


On 2/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> No planned maintenance. We see the spike and we're looking into it. Looks
> like some slowness for about 10 minutes.
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
>
> Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 04:27:41 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:27:41 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
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From markdarb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 06:06:29 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:06:29 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <72CD70E1-75D5-428D-A6E2-9AF8AB9E55C3@mac.com>
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If it's going to be hosted on Wikia, I would say that the GFDL would be
preferrable (because that's the licence Wikia almost always uses).

Regardless, the GFDL would probably be better because it's aimed more at
documentation, whereas the various Creative Commons licences are more suited
to creative/artistic works.

The Creative Commons licences aren't all truly copyleft (in fact most of
them aren't). If you wish to have a free/copyleft resource released under a
Creative Commons licence, you should choose the Creative Commons
Attribution-Share Alike License (now just released under version 3). Even
this licence, however, is not considered truly copyleft by organisations
such as the Free Software Foundation (although Wikimedia acknowledges it as
a free licence, and so do I)!

In short, I recommend the GFDL, especially in the event that your wiki gets
moved to Wikia. However, I think some Wikia staff need to comment on the
technicalities and legalities, because they know better than I what will and
won't work and whether or not Wikia would be prepared to host your wiki.

On 23/02/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Florian,
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> I've looked into some of the technical issues with the subdomains, and
> there is documentation about doing it with MediaWiki, but for the most part,
> it's beyond my skill level of server administration (which is relatively
> basic).
>
> I'm somewhat familiar with the different licenses of GFDL and the CC
> gamut, but I don't know the nuances well enough to be sure of which one I
> want... If this list can help me choose one for my content, I would be very
> pleased.
>
> I should also clarify what Wikipages is a bit more. Unlike a city wiki
> that might be a travel guide or complete description of a city, Wikipages is
> a business directory (you could call it a "yellow pages" except that term is
> trademarked). The idea is that it's easy to keep it up-to-date rather than
> rely on a printed book that quickly becomes obsolete.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Florian K?utner wrote:
>
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> >
> > I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
> >
> > In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> > each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> > "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a
> bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
> sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
> tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
> for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
> created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.
>
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you
> but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it
> even can be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions
> for this which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts
> commercial use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several
> CC licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not
> edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read:
> adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
> http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
> licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
> wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
> currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
> other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
> wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
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>
>
>
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From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 12:40:46 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
Message-ID: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>

The Community Team would like to announce a new feature enabled globally 
today:

An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via 
Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well 
as breaking them down by namespace. For those who will want to link 
directly to their count on a particular wiki, the page accepts input via 
the url; as an example, my edit count on Central Wikia would be 
http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Editcount&username=Essjay.

We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and 
exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us 
know if there are any problems.

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From lcarsdata at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:17:12 2007
From: lcarsdata at googlemail.com (Robert Leverington)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:17:12 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a possibility of upgrading this to use subpage-style input.
For example [[Specal:Editcount/Lcarsdata]] - this would be much easier
to link to and is already used in some extensions.
Thanks.
Robert.

On 23/02/07, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Community Team would like to announce a new feature enabled globally
> today:
>
> An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> as breaking them down by namespace. For those who will want to link
> directly to their count on a particular wiki, the page accepts input via
> the url; as an example, my edit count on Central Wikia would be
> http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Editcount&username=Essjay.
>
> We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> know if there are any problems.
>
> Ryan
>
> --
> Ryan Jordan
> Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
> www.wikia.com
> Username: Essjay
> essjay.wikia at gmail.com
> www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:21:28 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:21:28 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230521i2abdda3ag8167c4552ecab2b3@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Robert Leverington <lcarsdata at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Is there a possibility of upgrading this to use subpage-style input.
> For example [[Special:Editcount/Lcarsdata]] - this would be much easier
> to link to and is already used in some extensions.

That format works too.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:26:58 2007
From: florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Florian_K=E4utner?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:26:58 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ryan,

2007/2/23, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com>:
>
> An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> as breaking them down by namespace.


> We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> know if there are any problems.


Is this feature linked on the special page overview or the sidebar of user
pages? Maybe I did oversee it.

Please switch the style- and colour-management to some css definition or
manage it by WikiMedia system texts. Not all wikis have white backgrounds. (
http://www.memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Spezial:Editcount/Florian_K)

There may be a flaw in calculation, see URL above. I've made 7767 edits,
3000 are in article namespace which is calculated to a ratio of 0.04%. Maybe
there is a mis-interpretation of the point (or comma) to mark thousands.
Keep in mind that this mark differs from country to country.

Regards,
Florian
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From webmaster at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 13:47:33 2007
From: webmaster at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm....
Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie

I know I have done more than 353 edits...
(Great idea for an extension though!)


Jamie
Marvel Database Project

On 2/23/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Ryan,
>
> 2007/2/23, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com>:
> >
> > An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> > Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> > as breaking them down by namespace.
>
>
> > We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> > exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> > know if there are any problems.
>
>
> Is this feature linked on the special page overview or the sidebar of user
> pages? Maybe I did oversee it.
>
> Please switch the style- and colour-management to some css definition or
> manage it by WikiMedia system texts. Not all wikis have white backgrounds. (http://www.memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Spezial:Editcount/Florian_K
> )
>
> There may be a flaw in calculation, see URL above. I've made 7767 edits,
> 3000 are in article namespace which is calculated to a ratio of 0.04% .
> Maybe there is a mis-interpretation of the point (or comma) to mark
> thousands. Keep in mind that this mark differs from country to country.
>
> Regards,
> Florian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:59:36 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:59:36 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> Hmm....
> Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
> Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)
>
> http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie
>
> I know I have done more than 353 edits...
> (Great idea for an extension though!)

This might be related to the fact you changed username when
marveldatabase.com moved to Wikia.

Angela


From webmaster at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 14:41:37 2007
From: webmaster at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:41:37 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>

Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
curious why these below stats are correct then?

http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm

This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.


Jamie.


On 2/23/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> > Hmm....
> > Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
> > Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)
> >
> > http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie
> >
> > I know I have done more than 353 edits...
> > (Great idea for an extension though!)
>
> This might be related to the fact you changed username when
> marveldatabase.com moved to Wikia.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 14:49:49 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:49:49 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
> curious why these below stats are correct then?
>
> http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm
>
> This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.

Special:Editcount counts by user_id. I expect the wikistats (which
shouldn't be relied on) count by username, not ID. That might account
for the difference, but I'm not completely sure.

Have any other wikis which started off-wikia noticed a problem like this?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:18:03 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <45DE6D3D.2020104@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702222021k1224e9eek89d00528b2553bb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<45DE6D3D.2020104@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702230818p6c52020ref9e8f244aaead8a@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>
> Fortunately, these days when our phones ring it's a surprising event...
> last summer, not so much. :)
>

I'll raise my glass to that! Downtime has been reduced greatly since last
year :)

-S
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:25:00 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>

Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet Wiki
for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
Special:Editcount?

-S


On 2/23/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> > Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
> > curious why these below stats are correct then?
> >
> > http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm
> >
> > This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.
>
> Special:Editcount counts by user_id. I expect the wikistats (which
> shouldn't be relied on) count by username, not ID. That might account
> for the difference, but I'm not completely sure.
>
> Have any other wikis which started off-wikia noticed a problem like this?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 17:06:07 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:06:07 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230906o182c566cw2df020e699df832b@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet Wiki
> for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
> Special:Editcount?

It's possible it's only the overall stats that are out since the
muppet ones look ok to me. Michael Davis might be able to tell you
more.

Wikipedia has the same problem and actually disabled them completely
last October. We are trying to find an alternative, perhaps via Google
analytics which could provide reliable stats as well as referrer data.

Angela


From mdavis at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 17:43:26 2007
From: mdavis at wikia.com (Michael Davis)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702230906o182c566cw2df020e699df832b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>	
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>	
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>	
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>	
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>	
	<8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>	
	<3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230906o182c566cw2df020e699df832b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45DF27BE.1030206@wikia.com>

Angela wrote:
> On 2/23/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet 
>> Wiki
>> for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
>> Special:Editcount?
>
> It's possible it's only the overall stats that are out since the
> muppet ones look ok to me. Michael Davis might be able to tell you
> more.
>
> Wikipedia has the same problem and actually disabled them completely
> last October. We are trying to find an alternative, perhaps via Google
> analytics which could provide reliable stats as well as referrer data.
>
> Angela
>
I'm aware of an error in the article count stats for at least one wiki 
where the article count fluctuates from day to day between 5 (just five) 
and 3,000.   I don't know the cause of the error or what other data or 
wikis might be affected by the problem.  I'm suspicious of all the 
wikistat data but if the data looks about right for a particular wiki 
then it is probably is correct.

We are working on  a way to provide daily pageviews, visitor count, and 
referral information for each wiki.


Michael 
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From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 19:51:09 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:51:09 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
Message-ID: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>

I got an email from a user of the Efrat Wiki saying that they couldn't
get into any of the Wiki content, since every link led to edit main
page.

I couldn't figure out what was going on, so I asked her to call me.

After walking her through a few scenarios, we came up with the problem.

When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.

The problem doesn't appear on single click.  The problem doesn't
appear on Firefox.  It does appear on other Wikis that use the old
fashion skin (I recreated it on the Toronto Wiki).  It doesn't appear
on Torvid, which doesn't use the old fashion skin.

This is the kind of problem that most of us web savvy people will
never encounter (we know when to single click and when to double
click), but will occur a lot with newbees.
-- 
David Fink


From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:15:41 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:41 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> instead of going to the link.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:26:29 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:26:29 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
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1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.
2. Please please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy
users don't understand the nuances of when to single click and when to
double click.  It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away
without complaining.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> > instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> --
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> Wikia.com
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:29:25 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:29:25 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.

I just tried it on Firefox 2.0 and it seems to work for me. You need
to be a new user or logged out. Existed users won't have their
preferences changed so you need to enable it yourself if you want to
use it.

Angela


From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:31:58 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:31:58 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
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I recently noticed this function as well, and I'd prefer it be disabled by 
default. I'm a little click-happy in general, and I've found myself 
accidentally going to the edit page from time to time. This function also 
prevents double clicking to select a single word.  I would expect that 
people who get to the Edit page by this means are probably more confused 
than anything else.

So far as encouraging editing goes, I think that the Edit link (and the 
various section links) are prominent enough. If someone doesn't know to 
click on the edit link (or maybe feel comfortable enough to do so), they may 
not want to be thrown unexpectantly into an edit page.

Scott


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From: "Angela" <beesley at gmail.com>
To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
>> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
>> instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> -- 
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
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From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:32:10 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:32:10 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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I'm using Firefox 1.5, I'm logged out, and it's not working.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.
>
> I just tried it on Firefox 2.0 and it seems to work for me. You need
> to be a new user or logged out. Existed users won't have their
> preferences changed so you need to enable it yourself if you want to
> use it.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
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From bkaufmann at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:40:16 2007
From: bkaufmann at gmail.com (Bill Kaufmann)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:40:16 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>

The problem is that Non-savvy users also don't know that 1) editing is
possible and 2) how to edit.
This could be one way (of many) to point them to do so. 
Perhaps a statement on each page "double click anywhere on this page to edit
it" would help.

Double clicking works for me in FF 2.0.

Thanks,
Bill
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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox. 2. Please
please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy users don't
understand the nuances of when to single click and when to double click.
It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away without complaining.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page 
> > instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but 
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier 
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click 
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled 
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences - 
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the 
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From markdarb at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:44:53 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:44:53 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>
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	<000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>
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I didn't know about this feature. I'll use it in all MediaWiki sites I
contribute to from now on! However I think it should be disabled by default
to avoid confusion (although the feature should be prominently mentioned in
the editing help pages).

On 25/02/07, Bill Kaufmann <bkaufmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The problem is that Non-savvy users also don't know that 1) editing is
> possible and 2) how to edit.
> This could be one way (of many) to point them to do so.
> Perhaps a statement on each page "double click anywhere on this page to
> edit
> it" would help.
>
> Double clicking works for me in FF 2.0.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf
> Of David Fink
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox. 2.
> Please
> please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy users don't
> understand the nuances of when to single click and when to double click.
> It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away without
> complaining.
>
> On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> > > instead of going to the link.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> > one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
> >
> > The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> > to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> > to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
> >
> > This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> > or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> > look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> > preferences.
> >
> > We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> > 1) on by default for everyone
> > 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> > 3) always off by default
> > 4) something else?
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > --
> > Angela Beesley
> > Wikia.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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>
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:06:11 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 00:11:31 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:11:31 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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On 2/25/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>  Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does
> the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other
> than just "turn it off" :) :)

How about a message the first time someone sees it?

"You have double clicked this page which will lead you to an editing
screen. Choose Cancel to disable this feature or OK to continue".

For unregistered users, their preference could be stored in a cookie
rather than in their preferences. For logged in users, this would
actually change their [[Special:Preferences]].

Angela


From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 00:37:49 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:37:49 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me to the edit page. 

Scott


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Q. 
  To: Central Wikia Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


  Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other than just "turn it off" :) :)
  Thanks,
  Q.


  Angela wrote: 
On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
  When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.
    
Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela

  

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From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 03:41:51 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:41:51 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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> How about a message the first time someone sees it?
>
> "You have double clicked this page which will lead you to an editing
> screen. Choose Cancel to disable this feature or OK to continue".

Newbies expect links to lead to pages.  That's what the web does.
Anything other than that will confuse them.

I think I figured out the issue with Firefox 1.5, and it may provide a
solution.  In FF1.5, if you double click on a link, it takes you to
the link.  If you double click on anything else, you get the edit
page.

Can we get that behavior on the other browsers?

David


From johnq at wikia.com  Sun Feb 25 06:40:01 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:40:01 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 16:14:40 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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So double-clicking on text to go to the edit screen will remain? That's 
actually the behavior that I dislike most.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Q.
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


Hi Scott,

Yes, the extension adds the ability to double click on a section and it 
edits that section. The problem with the double-click is that, as David 
pointed out, many people double click on links... which then doesn't go to 
the link but edits the page. So, yes, we'll look into making this "do the 
right thing" as soon as possible.

Thanks,
Q.


ScottW wrote:
Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that 
I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me to 
the edit page.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Q.
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does 
the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other 
than just "turn it off" :) :)
Thanks,
Q.


Angela wrote:
On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:

When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.


Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela




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From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 22:52:26 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:52:26 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Editcount and Article Counter
Message-ID: <af548eb10702251452l3fbb0b4g26c7bdd3df90fbb1@mail.gmail.com>

I really am enjoying the new edit counter. It updates automatically which is
really nice, In my view it was a great addition to every wikia. One thing i
noticed on my wikia that the Number of Articles takes a few minutes to
update. Has wikia thought about making it instantly also?, if so when might
something like this happen?

Muppets101
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 23:01:32 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:01:32 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Editcount and Article Counter
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10702251452l3fbb0b4g26c7bdd3df90fbb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10702251452l3fbb0b4g26c7bdd3df90fbb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702251501w7b8f076eja5dfe301018ff70e@mail.gmail.com>

Whenever I want to get an up-to-date Article Count, I add
"?action=purge" to the Main {ahe URL.

On 2/25/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> I really am enjoying the new edit counter. It updates automatically which is
> really nice, In my view it was a great addition to every wikia. One thing i
> noticed on my wikia that the Number of Articles takes a few minutes to
> update. Has wikia thought about making it instantly also?, if so when might
> something like this happen?
>
> Muppets101
>
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>


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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 23:55:07 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:07 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/19/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
> Hello Wikia folks,
>
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
> have that they can't answer.
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.

Hi Ben,

Sorry for not responding to this sooner. I was trying to find out what
the situation was with a similar project Wikia is hosting -
yellowikis.org - since that overlaps with your proposal.

We are trying to keep all Wikia on the Wikia.com domain as much as
possible. In cases where there is a large existing community, we do
make exceptions, but that prevents single-login to all sites and makes
it harder to track page view stats across all wikis. So, I would say
that we are happy to host wikipages for you, and to create subdomains
for different languages or directories for different locations, but
that this would be on wikia.com. Perhaps listings.wikia.com or
similar.

To be consistent with most other Wikia and Wikimedia sites, we would
like for all new wikis to release their content under the GFDL.

Would you be happy with that and to redirect wikipages.com there
instead of keeping the content on your current domain?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From bhorst at mac.com  Mon Feb 26 03:49:05 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>

Hi Angela,

I do know of yellowikis.org, but haven't taken a look in a while. I'm  
glad that we don't overlap too much with what they are doing.

I'm pretty sure I will license Wikipages under GFDL soon. There's a  
new version about to be released, from what I read on Wikipedia, that  
will deal with some of the problems the current version has. Will  
Wikia use this version?  (As for CC licenses, the only one I've used  
in the past is BY-SA, the others don't really appeal to me.)

I'm pretty set on keeping the site at the Wikipages.com domain now,  
but I am very tempted... something like "pages.wikia.com" might work  
very well. I'll keep thinking about it, and thank you for the offer.

-Ben

On Feb 25, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Angela wrote:

> On 2/19/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
>> Hello Wikia folks,
>>
>> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
>> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
>> have that they can't answer.
>>
>> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
>> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
>> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> Sorry for not responding to this sooner. I was trying to find out what
> the situation was with a similar project Wikia is hosting -
> yellowikis.org - since that overlaps with your proposal.
>
> We are trying to keep all Wikia on the Wikia.com domain as much as
> possible. In cases where there is a large existing community, we do
> make exceptions, but that prevents single-login to all sites and makes
> it harder to track page view stats across all wikis. So, I would say
> that we are happy to host wikipages for you, and to create subdomains
> for different languages or directories for different locations, but
> that this would be on wikia.com. Perhaps listings.wikia.com or
> similar.
>
> To be consistent with most other Wikia and Wikimedia sites, we would
> like for all new wikis to release their content under the GFDL.
>
> Would you be happy with that and to redirect wikipages.com there
> instead of keeping the content on your current domain?
>
> Angela
>
> -- 
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 05:57:00 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com><8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
	<50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV85015D25388F437F65AB0A5830@phx.gbl>

> I'm pretty set on keeping the site at the Wikipages.com domain now,
> but I am very tempted... something like "pages.wikia.com" might work
> very well. I'll keep thinking about it, and thank you for the offer.

I would note that transferring to the Wikia domain would be easier if there 
was still the possibility of using a . . . well, *better* domain name to 
refer to the site in advertising and promotion.

What we have wanted to do at WikiFur for some time now is to have 
"http://furry.wikia.com/wiki" redirect to "http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/" 
rather than giving a 404. This will allow us to make our domain 
"wikifur.com" into a redirect to "http://furry.wikia.com/wiki" and so we 
will be able to use "wikifur.com/articlename" as an alias for 
"http://furry.wikia.com/articlename", without having to worry that 
"wikifur.com" (the bare URL) will not work.

I appreciate that Wikia would like their domain name to be prominent. 
However, communities like the idea of having their own websites, and it is 
easier to rally people around a second-level domain name than it is a third. 
:-)

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?"
 



From markdarb at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 06:29:15 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:29:15 +1200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <002e01c758f8$0e37f370$6500a8c0@SWR>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E0D2F3.7080305@wikia.com> <002301c75875$305b5ba0$6500a8c0@SWR>
	<45E12F41.6060007@wikia.com> <002e01c758f8$0e37f370$6500a8c0@SWR>
Message-ID: <44b952b0702252229wb8924dfm1407f1cb6a4f67bc@mail.gmail.com>

I see no harm in completely disabling double click editing so that people
have to explicitly change that setting in their preferences if they want to
be able to double click to edit. The majority of people who would like that
feature wouldn't have any trouble enabling it. People who are unaware of it
(such as I was until this thread) probably aren't going to accidentally
discover the feature and decide to use it (I know I didn't, but it sounds
useful) - so there's no point in having it enabled by default, because the
only people who will use it know how to enable it.

On 26/02/07, ScottW <coffeewiki at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So double-clicking on text to go to the edit screen will remain? That's
> actually the behavior that I dislike most.
>
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Q.
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Yes, the extension adds the ability to double click on a section and it
> edits that section. The problem with the double-click is that, as David
> pointed out, many people double click on links... which then doesn't go to
> the link but edits the page. So, yes, we'll look into making this "do the
> right thing" as soon as possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Q.
>
>
> ScottW wrote:
> Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that
> I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me
> to
> the edit page.
>
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Q.
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does
> the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other
> than just "turn it off" :) :)
> Thanks,
> Q.
>
>
> Angela wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> instead of going to the link.
>
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
>
>
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 17:35:04 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:35:04 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
	<50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702260935m176e22e9m9864d495abc8aff9@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/26/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I will license Wikipages under GFDL soon. There's a
> new version about to be released

There was discussion of a new version, but there's no guarantee of if
or when that will be completed since even the draft has not yet been
released.

Let me know when you're ready to move and I can set up pages.wikia.com for you.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Feb 26 20:18:00 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:18:00 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702252229wb8924dfm1407f1cb6a4f67bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<45E0D2F3.7080305@wikia.com>
	<002301c75875$305b5ba0$6500a8c0@SWR>	<45E12F41.6060007@wikia.com>
	<002e01c758f8$0e37f370$6500a8c0@SWR>
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From afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp  Wed Feb 28 12:49:54 2007
From: afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp (Afker Aih)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:49:54 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Wikia-l] To admins of gaming-related wikias: you can easily help
	promote gameinfo
Message-ID: <20070228124954.76012.qmail@web3712.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>

If you are willing to, you can easily add links in the
navigation side bar for gameinfo.  Here is how you do it:

1. Edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
2. Add the following line to the bottom:
** gameinfo:|Gameinfo Wikia
3. Uncheck "minor edit" box (making the edit minor may
prevent it affecting the interface)
4. Flush your browser cache.

Also, we can all help promote each other by providing a
link in the navigation side bar for the gaming category on
central:
** w:Category:Gaming |Other gaming wikias

Cheers!

-Afker


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From robs at mainspring.co.za  Sat Feb  3 19:05:50 2007
From: robs at mainspring.co.za (Rob Smorfitt )
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:05:50 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
Message-ID: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>

 

Hi everyone

 

A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever reasons,
in small and medium business (SME?s)

 

We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism welcome,
as well as tips

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

Rob Smorfitt

MainSpring - driving business development

http://main-spring.blogspot.com

 

 

+27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)

+27 33 342 8870 (Never there)

+27 33 342 0246 (Fax)

 


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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 19:33:34 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:33:34 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
In-Reply-To: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>
References: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702031133s34b69a4eldb2f10f5fa6586b8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rob,

What's the URL?

Chad

On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME's)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
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From robs at mainspring.co.za  Sat Feb  3 19:40:21 2007
From: robs at mainspring.co.za (Rob Smorfitt )
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:40:21 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0702031133s34b69a4eldb2f10f5fa6586b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006701c747cb$2bcdf6c0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>

Hi Chad

http://sme.wikia.com 

Rob Smorfitt
MainSpring - driving business development
www.mainspring.co.za 

+27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
+27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
+27 33 342 0246 (Fax)


-----Original Message-----
From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On Behalf
Of Chad Lupkes
Sent: 03 February 2007 21:34
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki

Hi Rob,

What's the URL?

Chad

On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME's)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
> --
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 18:35:14 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:35:14 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>

Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
"santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Feb  5 18:43:59 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:43:59 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45C77AEF.7020908@wikia.com>

Ok, thanks Scott. We'll take a look as soon as we can.
Q.


Scott Hanson wrote:
> Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and 
> "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
>  
> -Scott
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From frankiefans at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 17:55:47 2007
From: frankiefans at gmail.com (Frankie Fans)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Pew report on tagging
Message-ID: <86f2075f0702060955k2646d117sd9f7b214d5310f84@mail.gmail.com>

good read  --

http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/201/report_display.asp


Just as the internet allows users to create and share their own media, it is
also enabling them to organize digital material their own way, rather than
relying on pre-existing formats of classifying information.

A December 2006 survey has found that 28% of internet users have tagged or
categorized content online such as photos, news stories or blog posts. On a
typical day online, 7% of internet users say they tag or categorize online
content.

The report features an interview with David Weinberger, a prominent blogger
and fellow at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet & Society.
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From beesley at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 17:08:27 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:08:27 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] What is your Wikia story?
Message-ID: <8b722b800702070908r32560574hdd26fd79c132e736@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have a story to tell about Wikia?

Please share it at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia:Our_stories

The page is hoped to be an interesting place to find out about how
other users are using Wikia and what their wiki is doing for them. It
could also be useful for reporters when they want to add a more human
perspective to their stories about Wikia.

I look forward to seeing your stories!

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb  9 19:57:11 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:57:11 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
Message-ID: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that 
they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over 
the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they 
re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.

Thanks,
John Q.



From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 22:21:38 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:21:38 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
In-Reply-To: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>
References: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702091421ga913da8xa910fc2462b8c219@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the head's up, John.

-Scott


On 2/9/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From duncan at wikia.com  Sat Feb 10 06:14:03 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:14:03 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Outage
Message-ID: <EE862968-5CE7-446B-BAB9-D7B68159B2C1@wikia.com>

Folks,

We had a bit of a blip earlier on the website related to a file  
server.  We just received a replacement server and it will be brought  
online soon to prevent things like this from happening.
Let us know if you see any further issues.

Matthew


From johnq at wikia.com  Sat Feb 10 07:39:24 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:39:24 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] slowdowns detected...
Message-ID: <45CD76AC.4090405@wikia.com>

Hi,

There have been a couple of slowdowns over the last 20-30 minutes. This 
appears to be the colo doing the work previously mentioned.

Thanks,
John Q.



From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 15:35:15 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:35:15 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13913.1171088033.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
References: <mailman.13913.1171088033.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10702100735m5d51a43fic36b590d76159e3c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone, Um well i am not sure what to think i have a nameless ip
address on my wikia and i do not know if they are testing pages or what but
they keep adding articles like Jamesha and stuff. I do not want to ban them
because that would just encourage them more i think i will just wait them
out and keep removing the stuff. Phillip http://puppet.wikia.com

On 2/9/07, wikia-l-request at wikia.com <wikia-l-request at wikia.com> wrote:
>
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>   1. A new Wiki (Rob Smorfitt )
>   2. Re: A new Wiki (Chad Lupkes)
>   3. Re: A new Wiki (Rob Smorfitt )
>   4. search broken again (Scott Hanson)
>   5. Re: search broken again (John Q.)
>   6. Pew report on tagging (Frankie Fans)
>   7. What is your Wikia story? (Angela)
>   8. datacenter maintenance... (John Q.)
>   9. Re: datacenter maintenance... (Scott Hanson)
> 10. Site Outage (Matthew Silvey)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:05:50 +0200
> From: "Rob Smorfitt " <robs at mainspring.co.za>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0 at cradungroup.co.za>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME?s)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:33:34 -0800
> From: "Chad Lupkes" <chadlupkes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> What's the URL?
>
> Chad
>
> On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> >
> >
> >
> > A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> > in small and medium business (SME's)
> >
> >
> >
> > We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> > as well as tips
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Smorfitt
> >
> > MainSpring - driving business development
> >
> > http://main-spring.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> >
> > +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> >
> > +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >  No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >  Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date:
> 2007/02/01
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:40:21 +0200
> From: "Rob Smorfitt " <robs at mainspring.co.za>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: "'Central Wikia Mailing List'" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <006701c747cb$2bcdf6c0$4001a8c0 at cradungroup.co.za>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="windows-1250"
>
> Hi Chad
>
> http://sme.wikia.com
>
> Rob Smorfitt
> MainSpring - driving business development
> www.mainspring.co.za
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Chad Lupkes
> Sent: 03 February 2007 21:34
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> What's the URL?
>
> Chad
>
> On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> >
> >
> >
> > A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> > in small and medium business (SME's)
> >
> >
> >
> > We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> > as well as tips
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Smorfitt
> >
> > MainSpring - driving business development
> >
> > http://main-spring.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> >
> > +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> >
> > +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >  No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >  Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date:
> 2007/02/01
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date:
> 2007/02/01
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
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> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date:
> 2007/02/01
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:35:14 -0500
> From: "Scott Hanson" <scarecroe at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
> "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
>
> -Scott
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:43:59 -0800
> From: "John Q." <johnq at wikia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] search broken again
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <45C77AEF.7020908 at wikia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Ok, thanks Scott. We'll take a look as soon as we can.
> Q.
>
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
> > Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
> > "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
> >
> > -Scott
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:55:47 -0500
> From: "Frankie Fans" <frankiefans at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Pew report on tagging
> To: wikia-l at wikia.com
> Message-ID:
>        <86f2075f0702060955k2646d117sd9f7b214d5310f84 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> good read  --
>
> http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/201/report_display.asp
>
>
> Just as the internet allows users to create and share their own media, it
> is
> also enabling them to organize digital material their own way, rather than
> relying on pre-existing formats of classifying information.
>
> A December 2006 survey has found that 28% of internet users have tagged or
> categorized content online such as photos, news stories or blog posts. On
> a
> typical day online, 7% of internet users say they tag or categorize online
> content.
>
> The report features an interview with David Weinberger, a prominent
> blogger
> and fellow at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet & Society.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:08:27 -0800
> From: Angela <beesley at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] What is your Wikia story?
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <8b722b800702070908r32560574hdd26fd79c132e736 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Do you have a story to tell about Wikia?
>
> Please share it at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia:Our_stories
>
> The page is hoped to be an interesting place to find out about how
> other users are using Wikia and what their wiki is doing for them. It
> could also be useful for reporters when they want to add a more human
> perspective to their stories about Wikia.
>
> I look forward to seeing your stories!
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:57:11 -0800
> From: "John Q." <johnq at wikia.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <45CCD217.6020601 at wikia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:21:38 -0500
> From: "Scott Hanson" <scarecroe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <3b6cf93a0702091421ga913da8xa910fc2462b8c219 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Thanks for the head's up, John.
>
> -Scott
>
>
> On 2/9/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> > they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> > the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> > re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Q.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:14:03 -0800
> From: Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Outage
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <EE862968-5CE7-446B-BAB9-D7B68159B2C1 at wikia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Folks,
>
> We had a bit of a blip earlier on the website related to a file
> server.  We just received a replacement server and it will be brought
> online soon to prevent things like this from happening.
> Let us know if you see any further issues.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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>
> End of Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1
> **************************************
>



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http://puppet.wikia.com
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 16:50:18 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:50:18 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
Message-ID: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/10/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everyone, Um well i am not sure what to think i have a nameless ip
> address on my wikia and i do not know if they are testing pages or what but
> they keep adding articles like Jamesha and stuff. I do not want to ban them
> because that would just encourage them more i think i will just wait them
> out and keep removing the stuff. Phillip http://puppet.wikia.com

Hi Phillip,

The edits seem to be relevant to the puppet wiki. I've put a copy of
one of the pages you deleted at
http://puppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Puppet_Wikia:Sandbox&oldid=5208
so others can see what it is. The pages about song spoofs seem fine
too.

Other pages seem a bit confusing, but on-topic, so perhaps the user
just needs to explain what they are writing about. See
http://puppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Puppet_Wikia:Sandbox&oldid=5205
for example.

I think it would be best to unblock the user and talk to them on their
discussion page at
http://puppet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:74.128.200.222 to explain how
they should be editing.

Angela


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 21:15:48 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:15:48 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>

That page is pure nonsense. We've seen stuff like that on Muppet Wiki a lot.
That's not a confused person who needs an explanation. That's an autistic
kid who needs to be blocked.


-- Danny
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 18:45:48 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:45:48 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers :)

Angela


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 22:47:29 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>

Well, that's not a newcomer. I've seen that person before; he's been posting
similar nonsense on Muppet Wiki for a long time.

"Jamesha Beard, Madeline Kahn, And Kermit the Frog Appear In. In Elmo's
World Instead Of "Jamesha Beard's World"

That's not just badly formatted content; it's actual nonsense, written by
somebody with OCD. If you'd like to see more of that contributor's work,
check out this link:

http://lyrics.astraweb.com/browse/bands/18/Jameshabeard.html

where you can find 75 "songs" about Jamesha Beard, Kermit, Miss Piggy,
Sesame Street and Muppet Pinball. It doesn't matter which one you click on;
they're all nuts.

In most cases, I agree with "Please do not bite the newcomers", but there
are moments when common sense tells you that this isn't your average
newcomer. Some people are just nuts, and being nice to them doesn't turn
them into productive contributors. In fact, keeping them around will drive
away your regular contributors.


-- Danny
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 11 23:13:25 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (greenreaper at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>

To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur and start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though - we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most suitable place for their content. Their value seems minimal at best, and the articles have been deleted at WikiFur.

--
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Danny Horn 
  To: Central Wikia Mailing List 
  Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki


  Well, that's not a newcomer. I've seen that person before; he's been posting similar nonsense on Muppet Wiki for a long time. 

  "Jamesha Beard, Madeline Kahn, And Kermit the Frog Appear In. In Elmo's World Instead Of "Jamesha Beard's World" 

  That's not just badly formatted content; it's actual nonsense, written by somebody with OCD. If you'd like to see more of that contributor's work, check out this link:

  http://lyrics.astraweb.com/browse/bands/18/Jameshabeard.html

  where you can find 75 "songs" about Jamesha Beard, Kermit, Miss Piggy, Sesame Street and Muppet Pinball. It doesn't matter which one you click on; they're all nuts.

  In most cases, I agree with "Please do not bite the newcomers", but there are moments when common sense tells you that this isn't your average newcomer. Some people are just nuts, and being nice to them doesn't turn them into productive contributors. In fact, keeping them around will drive away your regular contributors. 


  -- Danny




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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 23:58:26 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:58:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, here's a couple pages that this productive "newcomer" just added to
WikiFur:

deleted "I Love You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Love_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>":
content was: 'A Parody Of the Song "I Hate You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Hate_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>"In
this song, Miss Piggy <http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Miss_Piggy> shows a heart
and a banjo of Kermiit the
Frog's<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kermiit_the_Frog%27s&action=edit>Theme,And
Jamesha Bea...'

deleted "I Hate You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Hate_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>":
content was: 'Grover Sings About The Disco Song, "I Hate You, Kermit"
Song.This Song Parodied "I Love You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Love_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>
.'

deleted "Kiss Kermit the
Frog<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kiss_Kermit_the_Frog&action=edit>":
content was: 'A Parody Of "Elmo's
Song<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Elmo%27s_Song&action=edit>"In
this Song, Madeline
Kahn<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Madeline_Kahn&action=edit>Helps
The Muppets With An Big Kiss.'

deleted "Elmo's
Song<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Elmo%27s_Song&action=edit>":
content was: 'Sung By Elmo, Big Bird, And Snuffy.This Song Parodied "Kiss
Kermit the Frog<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kiss_Kermit_the_Frog&action=edit>
"'

None of those songs exist. Angela, do you really think that the best thing
to do would be to welcome this guy, because "perhaps the user just needs to
explain what they are writing about"? At what point do you think an
administrator can legitimately say, this guy is batshit crazy?

Angela, I'm honestly astonished at your group facilitation skills. Your
instincts are, as ever, flawless.


-- Danny
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 02:01:24 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:01:24 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>

Has the site stalled right now?


-- Danny
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 02:09:43 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:09:43 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702111809v481246f7ib92684a31f83db8c@mail.gmail.com>

It had, looks to be up now

On 2/12/07, Danny Horn <toughpigs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has the site stalled right now?
>
>
> -- Danny
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From duncan at wikia.com  Mon Feb 12 02:10:36 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:10:36 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6A4DE28-478C-4D3B-98A7-A4A3BCBFCD56@wikia.com>

I believe we had another network blip, but I don't recall these being  
scheduled.

Matthew
On Feb 11, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Danny Horn wrote:

> Has the site stalled right now?
>
>
> -- Danny
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 06:40:25 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:40:25 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>

> To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur and
> start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though -
> we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most
> suitable place for their content.

Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
this user.

Wikipedia has dozens of warning templates for users like this -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace
The idea is to make them contribute usefully or give them fair warning
if they really can not. We have people like this every day on
Wikipedia and they are never blocked without warning for it.

Even if that one user is never going to be a useful member of your
community, it sends a positive message to other new users who will be
useful members, rather than scaring them into thinking they are likely
to be banned any minute if they don't understand some policy (which
was very much the feeling at the Open Directory Project every time
someone was blocked for violating a policy new users hadn't even heard
of). Please remember that banning someone can affect the whole
community - and not just the user you block.

Angela


From johnjreaves at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 07:21:25 2007
From: johnjreaves at gmail.com (John Reaves)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:21:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Autoblocked
Message-ID: <21bbbd860702112321i3b181644g17185c6b387d932c@mail.gmail.com>

My IP (74.140.190.187) was autoblocked for using User:Public account.  Can
someone unblock this please?  Also, my RfA at the Harry Potter wiki (
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Harry_Potter_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal)
appears to have reached consensus.  If someone could take  look, it would be
appreciated.

-John Reaves
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 12 07:26:32 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (greenreaper at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com><BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
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> Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
> wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
> discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
> this user.

Well, I should note that another of our admins went through and deleted all 
of those pages shortly after I posted. Different admins have differing 
tolerance levels. :-)

I think that there is a need for both a definite response to material that 
should not be on a particular wiki, _and_ an explicit "offering of the olive 
branch" to the people who are, perhaps, not quite on the same page as 
everyone else. If that branch is refused or ignored, then it may become 
necessary to move to other resolutions.

I agree that a friendly atmosphere encourages both public contribution and 
increases the public reputation of the project. I know that some people do 
not contribute, just watch WikiFur's recent changes for items of interest, 
and I am keenly aware that my actions there (and here) reflect on the wiki 
as a whole.

WikiFur has a good reputation in part because its admins are usually willing 
to be patient when problems arise. That doesn't mean we let random 
contributors walk all over our policies - I reverted someone just now for 
deleting someone else's talk on a discussion page - but we do explain what 
we're doing and why, and try to suggest alternatives to them, even if it's 
not clear that they will listen, because we know that the other people who 
see it will. Just because a talk page is "personal" does not mean it is less 
subject to monitoring by others.

I think Wikipedia sometimes waits too long to respond, in part because it is 
so distributed. But not waiting at all (or responding without trying to 
explain) is not ideal either. There is always more time on a wiki - or at 
least, there should be. If there is no admin time to deal with such users, 
you need to make sure other contributors can handle such situations and feel 
that they are entitled to speak to such people on behalf of the wiki. The 
more the merrier, in this situation, as it means less stress for individual 
admins.

Thoughtfully,

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" 



From toughpigs at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 11:31:31 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:31:31 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
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Wikipedia has 43,000 contributors a month. They can afford to be more
lenient, because if you don't have time to deal with a vandal, you have tens
of thousands of colleagues who can do it for you. An individual vandal, or
nutjob, can't do very much harm to the 1.4 million pages on Wikipedia.

In contrast, WikiFur has 90 contributors. Puppet Wiki currently has 6.
Policies and procedures that work for a group of 43,000 people don't make
sense for a group of 6.

One thing that makes good, productive contributors feel unsafe is the idea
that the group is overrun by vandals and crazy people. I don't think new
people want to see that particular contributor welcomed by the admins.
People can tell the difference between inexperienced newbies and lunatics.
Well, most people can, anyway.


-- Danny


On 2/12/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur
> and
> > start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though -
> > we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most
> > suitable place for their content.
>
> Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
> wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
> discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
> this user.
>
> Wikipedia has dozens of warning templates for users like this -
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace
> The idea is to make them contribute usefully or give them fair warning
> if they really can not. We have people like this every day on
> Wikipedia and they are never blocked without warning for it.
>
> Even if that one user is never going to be a useful member of your
> community, it sends a positive message to other new users who will be
> useful members, rather than scaring them into thinking they are likely
> to be banned any minute if they don't understand some policy (which
> was very much the feeling at the Open Directory Project every time
> someone was blocked for violating a policy new users hadn't even heard
> of). Please remember that banning someone can affect the whole
> community - and not just the user you block.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From jwales at wikia.com  Mon Feb 12 20:27:35 2007
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702120331q2799e7b9s2ad59d843d0d2380@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>	<8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
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As the oldest of old timers, my own position here is that I have no 
position and respect both points of view.  The key to successful wiki 
culture, to my mind, is precisely having these kinds of interesting 
varying points of view on how to deal with problem users.  In the dialog 
around that tension, wisdom emerges.

Here are some things I think everyone can agree with:

1. Vandals and crazy people have to be dealt with for the benefit of the 
entire community.

2.  Usually we can tell the difference between newbies and crazy people, 
but sometimes they do look quite similar. :)

3. Even with vandals and crazy people, firmness and respect both play a 
role.  Demeaning or insulting a troll only makes them worse.  Treating 
them as if their behavior is acceptable only makes them worse.  We just 
have to firmly say "no, sorry, you can't do that here.  I hope we can 
help you have fun in some more helpful way, but if we can't, we can't."

4.  Wikia is not therapy.  We are not here to help people cure their 
problems.  If they need professional help, they should get professional 
help.

5.  Wikia is not a police state.  Good admins know that a healthy degree 
of sane dissent in our communities makes us stronger and more thoughtful.

6. EVEN WITH general agreement on statements like this, good admins may 
find themselves in respectful disagreement on many particular cases, and 
on how far to carry out different principles which appear to be in tension.

--Jimbo


From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Tue Feb 13 07:00:53 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:00:53 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>

Just a follow-up on the status of the spammer on the Puppet Wikia. I banned
him and Angela removed some of his edits (Thanks Angela). My first thought
from reading some information about the problem of spam was to change so
only a user can only edit i decided not to and just go head to head with
spammers and beat them at their own game. One thing i thought was weird
about the IP's edits is that the only page he edited that he did not create
was the sandbox; my understanding of spammers is that they vandelize pages
that are already added.

Spammers and the cause of spamming in my view is a very complex issue. I
mean would they spam there own website or blog? i would like to thank
everyone for their input on this subject it has been interesting
reading what they would do. Hopefully that will be the last of the spam for
awhile; another reason i think they spam is because they are bored but it
would make much more sense if they just helped with the project instead of
adding nonsense.

Regards,
*Phillip "Muppets101"*
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 00:58:41 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>

I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They seem
really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying something
new.

So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is this
all new?


-- Danny
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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 01:00:54 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:00:54 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702131700m42d110cfgbffa310bc31289f7@mail.gmail.com>

The spin is a new skin from ArmchairGM, at least on Politics.  Ramping up
the innovation!

Chad


On 2/13/07, Danny Horn <toughpigs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They seem
> really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying something
> new.
>
> So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is
> this all new?
>
>
> -- Danny
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Feb 14 02:28:06 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:28:06 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0702131700m42d110cfgbffa310bc31289f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
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From jwales at wikia.com  Wed Feb 14 03:53:43 2007
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:53:43 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>

Danny Horn wrote:
> I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They 
> seem really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying 
> something new.
> 
> So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is 
> this all new?

Pretty neat stuff, huh?  I am happy that we are finally starting to see 
the results of the investment... it costs a lot to innovate this stuff, 
but it's pretty cool, and all open source, and all free content, and it 
makes my head explode with the possibilities.

I think muppets (for example) is best with the traditional format, but I 
have to wonder if there aren't some interesting "magazine" spin off 
possibilities for you guys, too, perhaps at a sister site?  I am just 
brainstorming here...

--Jimbo


From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 04:10:30 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:10:30 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702132010s5e78f612qd2454061a9b7b9ae@mail.gmail.com>

I'm actually more comfortable in the standard skin, but the sky is
certainly the limit.

Chad

On 2/13/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> Danny Horn wrote:
> > I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They
> > seem really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying
> > something new.
> >
> > So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is
> > this all new?
>
> Pretty neat stuff, huh?  I am happy that we are finally starting to see
> the results of the investment... it costs a lot to innovate this stuff,
> but it's pretty cool, and all open source, and all free content, and it
> makes my head explode with the possibilities.
>
> I think muppets (for example) is best with the traditional format, but I
> have to wonder if there aren't some interesting "magazine" spin off
> possibilities for you guys, too, perhaps at a sister site?  I am just
> brainstorming here...
>
> --Jimbo
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From markdarb at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 09:27:28 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:27:28 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
	<af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm at high school and I know lots of people who vandalise on Wikipedia (my
school's been blocked from editing a few times, which is very annoying for
me). I try in vain to dissuade them from vandalising, but they're just not
interested in making constructive edits because that's no fun. Thankfully
none of them have moved onto vandalising Wikia.

People my age are just very good at doing really stupid things and enjoying
it, and this is one of them. For some inexplicable reason they find it funny
when they make Wikipedia say something stupid. They also think it's funny
when they get blocked for a couple of weeks. They get some sort of pleasure
from this. I'm not sure if boredom's the reason, although I suppose people
only do this sort of thing if they're bored. So yes it's a very complex
issue, but in my opinion it all boils down to mere stupidity, ignorance and
selfishness - they're having fun and they don't care how it might affect
others, or if anything the way it affects others is funny in itself.

Well, that's what it boils down to for high school spammers. I suppose there
are all sorts of other motives for vandalism, so it really is a complex
issue!

Mark.

On 13/02/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just a follow-up on the status of the spammer on the Puppet Wikia. I
> banned him and Angela removed some of his edits (Thanks Angela). My
> first thought from reading some information about the problem of spam was to
> change so only a user can only edit i decided not to and just go head to
> head with spammers and beat them at their own game. One thing i thought was
> weird about the IP's edits is that the only page he edited that he did not
> create was the sandbox; my understanding of spammers is that they vandelize
> pages that are already added.
>
> Spammers and the cause of spamming in my view is a very complex issue. I
> mean would they spam there own website or blog? i would like to thank
> everyone for their input on this subject it has been interesting
> reading what they would do. Hopefully that will be the last of the spam for
> awhile; another reason i think they spam is because they are bored but it
> would make much more sense if they just helped with the project instead of
> adding nonsense.
>
> Regards,
> *Phillip "Muppets101"*
>
> _______________________________________________
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:06:25 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).

I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like I'm
MickeyMouse-ing it.

Thanks,
Scott
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:10:14 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:10:14 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>

I have a way around this.

Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like this

http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0

Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
done.

On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
> is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
>
> I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like I'm
> MickeyMouse-ing it.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:14:15 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.



On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a way around this.
>
> Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> this
>
>
> http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
>
> Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> done.
>
> On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> >
> > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> I'm
> > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:21:06 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:21:06 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>

OK, that I did not see. Bug in MediaWiki?

On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.
>
>
>
>
> On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a way around this.
> >
> > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> this
> >
> >
> http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> >
> > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > done.
> >
> > On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> > >
> > > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> I'm
> > > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Scott
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikia-l mailing list
> > > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:33:29 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>	<af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D3AA59.5000706@gmail.com>

Mark William Darbyshire wrote:
> I'm at high school and I know lots of people who vandalise on 
> Wikipedia (my school's been blocked from editing a few times, which is 
> very annoying for me). I try in vain to dissuade them from 
> vandalising, but they're just not interested in making constructive 
> edits because that's no fun. Thankfully none of them have moved onto 
> vandalising Wikia.
>
> People my age are just very good at doing really stupid things and 
> enjoying it, and this is one of them. For some inexplicable reason 
> they find it funny when they make Wikipedia say something stupid. They 
> also think it's funny when they get blocked for a couple of weeks. 
> They get some sort of pleasure from this. I'm not sure if boredom's 
> the reason, although I suppose people only do this sort of thing if 
> they're bored. So yes it's a very complex issue, but in my opinion it 
> all boils down to mere stupidity, ignorance and selfishness - they're 
> having fun and they don't care how it might affect others, or if 
> anything the way it affects others is funny in itself.
>
> Well, that's what it boils down to for high school spammers. I suppose 
> there are all sorts of other motives for vandalism, so it really is a 
> complex issue!
>
> Mark.
>
If anyone knows of individuals who are using school resources to 
vandalize Wikia, please let the staff know; I can't speak for everyone, 
but I for one will be more than happy to phone up the head of IT for the 
school and have a chat. I've done it a number of times for Wikipedia, 
and usually solves the problem quite quickly. (On that note, if anyone 
knows about it on Wikipedia, there is a page for such reports 
[[Wikipedia:Abuse reports]].)

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From lcarsdata at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 15 08:42:23 2007
From: lcarsdata at googlemail.com (Robert Leverington)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:42:23 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a3c9ee0702150042y56a4af40qaa76e52e9c75fb68@mail.gmail.com>

It is a value is LocalSettings.php - it is set low because it is
generally considered that no one would want to go higher. Once you
unredirect one another one will appear on the top of the list. Ask
Angela and she might get it changed.
Yours,
Robert.

On 15/02/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, that I did not see. Bug in MediaWiki?
>
> On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have a way around this.
> > >
> > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> > this
> > >
> > >
> > http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > >
> > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > > done.
> > >
> > > On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> > Special:Listredirects
> > > > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> > I'm
> > > > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Scott
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Wikia-l mailing list
> > > > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikia-l mailing list
> > > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From robinp at xtra.co.nz  Thu Feb 15 10:44:52 2007
From: robinp at xtra.co.nz (Robin Patterson)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:44:52 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8a3c9ee0702150042y56a4af40qaa76e52e9c75fb68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018701c750ee$542fb640$860cf6d2@633>

How about changing the offset instead of the limit?
Robin

----- Original Message ----- 
.....
> > > On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > I have a way around this.
> > > >
> > > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new
url that may look like
> > > this
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > > >
> > > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it.



From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 02:01:54 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site unavail...
Message-ID: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>

Hi,

While launching a lot of new sites, we had a configuration issue which 
we're resolving right now. We'll be back on-line in a jiffy.

Thanks,
John Q.



From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 02:02:51 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:02:51 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site unavail...
In-Reply-To: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>
References: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <45D510CB.7060201@wikia.com>

Ok... site is avail once again.

John Q. wrote:

>Hi,
>
>While launching a lot of new sites, we had a configuration issue which 
>we're resolving right now. We'll be back on-line in a jiffy.
>
>Thanks,
>John Q.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wikia-l mailing list
>Wikia-l at wikia.com
>http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>  
>


From duncan at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 04:18:13 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:18:13 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Issues
Message-ID: <D2396E14-A47C-49E2-887A-FF26F59F3113@wikia.com>

Folks,

One of our upstream providers had a bit of a service interruption  
again.  I'm getting more information about this.  It's been a bit of  
a bumpy week network-wise.

Matthew


From duncan at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 04:24:50 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:24:50 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Update
Message-ID: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>


Folks,

Our upstream provider said they just had a control module on a router  
switchover to a backup unit.

Matthew


From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 11:14:24 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:14:24 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/14/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
> is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).

I believe the limit is there for performance reasons and the only way
to get the full list is to download the database and extract a list
from there. Perhaps we could experiment with upping the limit to
something more than 1000, and check it doesn't kill the site. Do you
want the full list as a one-off or is it somthing you regularly need?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 12:48:05 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.

Thanks,
Scott


On 2/16/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/14/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
>
> I believe the limit is there for performance reasons and the only way
> to get the full list is to download the database and extract a list
> from there. Perhaps we could experiment with upping the limit to
> something more than 1000, and check it doesn't kill the site. Do you
> want the full list as a one-off or is it somthing you regularly need?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 18:17:47 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:17:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Update
In-Reply-To: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>
References: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702161017u6da71ab1qd24df14b9c245464@mail.gmail.com>

We seem to be having some network slowness and site downage... don't know if
it's related to last night's problem or not, but thought I'd send a head's
up just in case.

-Scott


On 2/15/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Our upstream provider said they just had a control module on a router
> switchover to a backup unit.
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 19:08:42 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:08:42 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] brief site problem...
Message-ID: <45D6013A.40301@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We had a brief problem with the site a little while ago for about 15 
minutes. Everything should be back to normal. Please let us know if you 
continue to see anything out of whack.

Thanks,
John Q.



From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 21:53:20 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:53:20 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/16/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.

I've left you a list at http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Scarecroe/Redirects

Hopefully the toolserver Wikia will be getting later this year will
enable users to run their own queries to create these sorts of lists.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 22:46:10 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:46:10 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702161446s75ffed62w7cb22c39e897f1e0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

On 2/16/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/16/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.
>
> I've left you a list at
> http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Scarecroe/Redirects
>
> Hopefully the toolserver Wikia will be getting later this year will
> enable users to run their own queries to create these sorts of lists.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 15:03:39 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
extension?

Special:Imagelist is limited to sorting by name, size and date.

Special:Log/Upload has some search fields, but nothing I've tried has
worked. For example, .ogg, *.ogg, Image:*.ogg, Media:*.ogg

As you can tell, I'm trying to keep track of all the .ogg files that have
been uploaded, but the same could be said if I were looking for all the .gif
or .png files.

Any ideas on how one could do this? Just trying to do some more maintenance.

Thanks in advance,
Scott
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 15:31:32 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:31:32 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/17/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
> extension?

That feature doesn't exist. When we upgrade, we'll get the version
Wikipedia uses - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Imagelist -
which allows sorting by Date, Name, User, Size, and Description. Since
the file type doesn't exist as a field in the database, it isn't
possible to sort by that, unlike the other fields.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 17:25:21 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:25:21 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702170925o510490acn5d00dbe95fd84065@mail.gmail.com>

I see. Surely there's another way to keep track o such things?

For example, Special:Log/Upload lets you filter results to the user and file
name, but the file name field only works if you know the exact file name. Is
there a wildcard that can be used, such as using *.ogg in Windows?

Or perhaps a bot that I could run myself to run a report on specific search
terms?

-Scott


On 2/17/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/17/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
> > extension?
>
> That feature doesn't exist. When we upgrade, we'll get the version
> Wikipedia uses - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Imagelist -
> which allows sorting by Date, Name, User, Size, and Description. Since
> the file type doesn't exist as a field in the database, it isn't
> possible to sort by that, unlike the other fields.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 12:51:45 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:51:45 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
Message-ID: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>

Wikia is pleased to be sponsoring Wikimania again this year. Wikimania
is the annual international conference of the Wikimedia Foundation and
will be held in Taipei in August.

Although Wikia is not a Wikimedia project, the conference is very
relevant to Wikia users, and we encourage you to attend. You will
learn more about the fun, theory, and practice of wikis and related
free content communities, have a chance to discuss your wiki, meet
other Wikians, meet Wikia staff, and hang out with Jimmy Wales! :) A
special Wikia users group meeting will be held during or just before
Wikimania.

Wikia has a small number of partial scholarships available to Wikia
editors who need support with the costs of travel, accommodation, or
entry fees for Wikimania. Please see
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania for details of how to apply for
this funding.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From bhorst at mac.com  Mon Feb 19 17:40:58 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:40:58 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
Message-ID: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>

Hello Wikia folks,

I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's  
currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I  
have that they can't answer.

In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that  
each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and  
"boston.wikipages.com" etc.

Before I try that, though, I thought I'd inquire: Is it possible to  
host a site like mine on Wikia, but keep my domain name, and possibly  
add subdomains in the future?

Thanks,
Ben


From tibor.szurok at freemail.hu  Mon Feb 19 18:15:05 2007
From: tibor.szurok at freemail.hu (Szurok Tibor)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:15:05 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c75451$e31b4d90$a951e8b0$@szurok@freemail.hu>

Hello Ben,
I have a sullotion but it is not the best. 
I host my dns entries at a 3th party (Zoneedit), the main domain (larp.hu)
is redirected to the wikia page (hu.larp.wikia.com) and you can redirect al
kind of subdomains (like about.larp.hu) to any url
(http://hu.larp.wikia.com/wiki/LSZT). 
But:
It's not the best sollution, because the user can see, that he/she is
redirected, because in the address bar the new url is visible. You can also
hide the redirection, but it use a 0 high frame and it's not the best way in
the 21th century.

regards:
Tibor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf Of Benjamin Horst
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:41 PM
> To: wikia-l at wikia.com
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
> 
> Hello Wikia folks,
> 
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
> have that they can't answer.
> 
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
> 
> Before I try that, though, I thought I'd inquire: Is it possible to
> host a site like mine on Wikia, but keep my domain name, and possibly
> add subdomains in the future?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 21 09:43:15 2007
From: florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Florian_K=E4utner?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:43:15 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ben!

2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
>
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.


There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a bouquet
of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.

Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what copyright
or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you but wikia
is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it even can
be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions for this
which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial
use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC
licences).

Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not edited
for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read: adopt)
this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
other places if you like.

For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.

Just my two cents,
Florian
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From bhorst at mac.com  Wed Feb 21 19:20:22 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:20:22 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>

Hi Angela,

How many attendees do you expect for Wikimania 2007? How many attended Wikimania 2006?

Thanks,
Ben

----
OpenOffice and open source blog:
http://www.solidoffice.com/

Wiki business directory:
http://www.wikipages.com/

 
On Monday, February 19, 2007, at 07:48AM, "Angela" <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>Wikia is pleased to be sponsoring Wikimania again this year. Wikimania
>is the annual international conference of the Wikimedia Foundation and
>will be held in Taipei in August.
>
>Although Wikia is not a Wikimedia project, the conference is very
>relevant to Wikia users, and we encourage you to attend. You will
>learn more about the fun, theory, and practice of wikis and related
>free content communities, have a chance to discuss your wiki, meet
>other Wikians, meet Wikia staff, and hang out with Jimmy Wales! :) A
>special Wikia users group meeting will be held during or just before
>Wikimania.
>
>Wikia has a small number of partial scholarships available to Wikia
>editors who need support with the costs of travel, accommodation, or
>entry fees for Wikimania. Please see
>http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania for details of how to apply for
>this funding.
>
>Angela
>
>-- 
>Angela Beesley
>Wikia.com
>_______________________________________________
>Wikia-l mailing list
>Wikia-l at wikia.com
>http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


From beesley at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 19:26:15 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:26:15 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
In-Reply-To: <143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
	<143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702211126s3566b263t2501a56dea4b1f29@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/21/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
> Hi Angela,
>
> How many attendees do you expect for Wikimania 2007? How many attended Wikimania 2006?

I believe there were around 400 last year and a similar number are
being planned for this year.

Angela


From rsw154 at psu.edu  Thu Feb 22 01:00:39 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
Message-ID: <1172106037l.1417280l.0l@psu.edu>


TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > I have a way around this.
> > >
> > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> > this
> > >
> > >
> >
http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > >
> > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > > done.

Scott Hanson wrote:
> > Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.

TwoTailedFox wrote:
> Bug in MediaWiki?

IMHO it is a bug.  See "Forum:Logs stop after 30 days" on the central wikia
(especially the bottom of the page) for further discussion.


cheers,
r.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802



From rsw154 at psu.edu  Thu Feb 22 02:43:26 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
Message-ID: <1172112204l.798902l.0l@psu.edu>


Jimmy Wales wrote:
> The key to successful wiki 
> culture, to my mind, is precisely having these kinds of interesting 
> varying points of view on how to deal with problem users.



I am moved to add my two cents to this conversation, recalling that Angela's
"Let's have a zero-tolerance politeness rule" post came suspiciously soon after
an arguably snarky policy revision on the Doom Wiki, where I hang out.

Video games, like conventional athletic competitions, tap directly into the
lizard brain instincts of all who play regularly.  The degree to which these
instincts interfere with rational thought, empathy, and constructive collective
behavior cannot be overstated.  A few supremely introspective participants
force themselves to keep the meritocracy in perspective, and attempt to pursue
the philosophical ideals of athletics (teamwork, self-discipline, thinking on
one's feet, civic pride).  The large majority, on the other hand, become
enslaved by their own endorphins and embody somewhat different ideals
(narcissism, territorialism, one-upmanship, religious zealotry).  In
conventional athletics, the latter group can still perform well when controlled
by a militaristic coach, but gamers generally have no coaches, and internet
access is cheap, so each player gets an equal voice.

As a result of this population imbalance, whenever a web page about gaming
reaches a certain size, it bifurcates into a protected area, containing actual
information, and a public area, which is more like the floor of the Chicago
Stock Exchange.  What makes the Doom Wiki unusual is its claim to combine the
two: anyone can participate, yet our goal is an organized "encyclopedia".  I
suppose the limited scope of the project, relative to Wikipedia, may counteract
certain large problems (if a non-bot even bothers to look us up, they're
probably not against the entire concept of Doom), but the fact remains that
with trifling exception, all editors and all readers there are gamers.  Each
time a new vanity article or a new picture of a penis arrives, I can hear the
snarling hordes encamped on the horizon.

On the Doom Wiki, when a new contributor adds content without bothering to read
our formatting or notability guidelines, or to double-check any technical data
against existing secondary sources, the edit is usually corrected or reverted
without explanation (aside from the edit summary).  The aforementioned "puppet
wiki editor" would probably also receive a note on his/her user page, but the
various admins tend to use varying language to describe the appropriation of a
reference work for personal artistic expression.  Out-and-out vandals have been
known to receive permanent bans the first time they show themselves.

I am often told IRL that I am a rather genteel representative of the human
species; if true, I hope that that makes me a relatively benign presence on the
internet at large.  Since joining a gaming project of this magnitude, however,
I have learned from our veteran editors (who between them have taken decades of
abuse on forums and listservs in direct proportion to their own dedication) to
develop a more... balanced view of the average wiki reader.



cheers,
r.


_____________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802




From markdarb at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 04:51:41 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:51:41 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44b952b0702212051x11906e4bx44730b19baa26d19@mail.gmail.com>

I had a look at this particular wiki a few days ago.

At present it is not clearly released under a particular licence. The page
http://www.wikipages.com/index.php/Wikipages.com:About says:
All content distributed on Wikipages is licensed... (Creative Commons
probably, details TBD).

With the wiki not officially licensed under a particular licence, and with
so many contributors, I doubt that Wikia would be prepared to host it.
Permission needs to be obtained from every single contributor before the
work is licensed under a Creative Commons licence or the GFDL. This isn't
really possible, so I can't see Wikipages being ported to Wikia. On the
other hand, perhaps "all content...is licenced...details TBD" is enough to
give the owner of the wiki the right to decide on any licence to release it
under.

Anyway, someone from Wikia will have to comment on this (such as Jimmy or
Angela). I'm just saying all this because so far noone else has!


On 21/02/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> >
> > I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
> >
> > In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> > each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> > "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a
> bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
> sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
> tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
> for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
> created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.
>
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you
> but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it
> even can be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions
> for this which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts
> commercial use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several
> CC licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not
> edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read:
> adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
> http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
> licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
> wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
> currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
> other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
> wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From bhorst at mac.com  Thu Feb 22 12:37:59 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702212051x11906e4bx44730b19baa26d19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Mark,

I know all of the contributors, so setting the license should be  
relatively easy. Plus, the majority of the information is purely  
factual, like business names, street addresses and phone numbers,  
which, to my understanding, cannot be copyrighted.

But I have long wondered and been unable to determine whether the  
GFDL or a CC license would be more appropriate for Wikipages. What is  
the Wikia opinion on these license options?

Thanks,
Ben

On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Mark William Darbyshire wrote:

> I had a look at this particular wiki a few days ago.
>
> At present it is not clearly released under a particular licence.  
> The page http://www.wikipages.com/index.php/Wikipages.com:About says:
> All content distributed on Wikipages is licensed... (Creative  
> Commons probably, details TBD).
>
> With the wiki not officially licensed under a particular licence,  
> and with so many contributors, I doubt that Wikia would be prepared  
> to host it. Permission needs to be obtained from every single  
> contributor before the work is licensed under a Creative Commons  
> licence or the GFDL. This isn't really possible, so I can't see  
> Wikipages being ported to Wikia. On the other hand, perhaps "all  
> content...is licenced...details TBD" is enough to give the owner of  
> the wiki the right to decide on any licence to release it under.
>
> Anyway, someone from Wikia will have to comment on this (such as  
> Jimmy or Angela). I'm just saying all this because so far noone  
> else has!
>
>
> On 21/02/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> " boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across  
> a bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is  
> doing it, sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;)  
> True, it's a bit tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you  
> need an external database for authentication, you need a mechanism  
> on user talk pages, wikia just created for itself, ...) but I can  
> start a little investigation if you like.
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what  
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a  
> minor for you but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you  
> release all copyright, it even can be used for commercial  
> products). There are very rare exceptions for this which are on a  
> CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial use of  
> the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC  
> licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:  
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places . This New York Wiki was  
> not edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly  
> takeover" (read: adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this.  
> ( http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect  
> the licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast  
> userbase (all wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting  
> is care free (you are currently running a fairly old 1.6 version),  
> you can link to interwikis of other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and  
> other wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/ 
> About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bhorst at mac.com  Thu Feb 22 12:44:19 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72CD70E1-75D5-428D-A6E2-9AF8AB9E55C3@mac.com>

Florian,

Thanks for your suggestions.

I've looked into some of the technical issues with the subdomains,  
and there is documentation about doing it with MediaWiki, but for the  
most part, it's beyond my skill level of server administration (which  
is relatively basic).

I'm somewhat familiar with the different licenses of GFDL and the CC  
gamut, but I don't know the nuances well enough to be sure of which  
one I want... If this list can help me choose one for my content, I  
would be very pleased.

I should also clarify what Wikipages is a bit more. Unlike a city  
wiki that might be a travel guide or complete description of a city,  
Wikipages is a business directory (you could call it a "yellow pages"  
except that term is trademarked). The idea is that it's easy to keep  
it up-to-date rather than rely on a printed book that quickly becomes  
obsolete.

Thanks,
Ben

On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Florian K?utner wrote:

> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across  
> a bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is  
> doing it, sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;)  
> True, it's a bit tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you  
> need an external database for authentication, you need a mechanism  
> on user talk pages, wikia just created for itself, ...) but I can  
> start a little investigation if you like.
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what  
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a  
> minor for you but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you  
> release all copyright, it even can be used for commercial  
> products). There are very rare exceptions for this which are on a  
> CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial use of  
> the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC  
> licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:  
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was  
> not edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly  
> takeover" (read: adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this.  
> ( http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect  
> the licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast  
> userbase (all wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting  
> is care free (you are currently running a fairly old 1.6 version),  
> you can link to interwikis of other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and  
> other wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/ 
> About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l

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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 03:49:25 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:49:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>

Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 04:12:30 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:12:30 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
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From jamie at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 04:12:18 2007
From: jamie at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <757d22db0702222012t2c9041ddq7902043ef682f5cd@mail.gmail.com>

Yup.

It definitely does seem like there is a significant slowdown. If past
behaviour is any indication of future events, I am sure it will pass soon
enough; probably related to Wikia's service provider. That would indicate to
me that it may be beyond their control.

>From first hand knowledge, I know that Wikia keeps a constant vigil on
network conditions. With all that said, I don't see a necessity to
constantly spam the central mailing list with these advisories.

Can I suggest instead we either notify Wikia on IRC or discreetly email a
technical representative?

Thanks for your consideration.


Jamie Hari
Marvel Database Project


On 2/22/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.
>
> -Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 04:21:01 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:21:01 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702222021k1224e9eek89d00528b2553bb6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

You guys are on top of things as usual. About 20 minutes after I sent the
message, the site picked up again and I figured my you noticed the spike --
either by your own means or thanks to the email. I'm cautious to hit send
now, as that has usually meant in the past that things get slow again just
after I verify that they're okay :)

Thanks again,
Scott


On 2/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> No planned maintenance. We see the spike and we're looking into it. Looks
> like some slowness for about 10 minutes.
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
>
> Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 04:27:41 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:27:41 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
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From markdarb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 06:06:29 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:06:29 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <72CD70E1-75D5-428D-A6E2-9AF8AB9E55C3@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<72CD70E1-75D5-428D-A6E2-9AF8AB9E55C3@mac.com>
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If it's going to be hosted on Wikia, I would say that the GFDL would be
preferrable (because that's the licence Wikia almost always uses).

Regardless, the GFDL would probably be better because it's aimed more at
documentation, whereas the various Creative Commons licences are more suited
to creative/artistic works.

The Creative Commons licences aren't all truly copyleft (in fact most of
them aren't). If you wish to have a free/copyleft resource released under a
Creative Commons licence, you should choose the Creative Commons
Attribution-Share Alike License (now just released under version 3). Even
this licence, however, is not considered truly copyleft by organisations
such as the Free Software Foundation (although Wikimedia acknowledges it as
a free licence, and so do I)!

In short, I recommend the GFDL, especially in the event that your wiki gets
moved to Wikia. However, I think some Wikia staff need to comment on the
technicalities and legalities, because they know better than I what will and
won't work and whether or not Wikia would be prepared to host your wiki.

On 23/02/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Florian,
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> I've looked into some of the technical issues with the subdomains, and
> there is documentation about doing it with MediaWiki, but for the most part,
> it's beyond my skill level of server administration (which is relatively
> basic).
>
> I'm somewhat familiar with the different licenses of GFDL and the CC
> gamut, but I don't know the nuances well enough to be sure of which one I
> want... If this list can help me choose one for my content, I would be very
> pleased.
>
> I should also clarify what Wikipages is a bit more. Unlike a city wiki
> that might be a travel guide or complete description of a city, Wikipages is
> a business directory (you could call it a "yellow pages" except that term is
> trademarked). The idea is that it's easy to keep it up-to-date rather than
> rely on a printed book that quickly becomes obsolete.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Florian K?utner wrote:
>
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> >
> > I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
> >
> > In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> > each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> > "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a
> bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
> sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
> tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
> for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
> created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.
>
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you
> but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it
> even can be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions
> for this which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts
> commercial use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several
> CC licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not
> edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read:
> adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
> http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
> licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
> wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
> currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
> other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
> wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 12:40:46 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
Message-ID: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>

The Community Team would like to announce a new feature enabled globally 
today:

An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via 
Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well 
as breaking them down by namespace. For those who will want to link 
directly to their count on a particular wiki, the page accepts input via 
the url; as an example, my edit count on Central Wikia would be 
http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Editcount&username=Essjay.

We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and 
exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us 
know if there are any problems.

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From lcarsdata at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:17:12 2007
From: lcarsdata at googlemail.com (Robert Leverington)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:17:12 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a possibility of upgrading this to use subpage-style input.
For example [[Specal:Editcount/Lcarsdata]] - this would be much easier
to link to and is already used in some extensions.
Thanks.
Robert.

On 23/02/07, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Community Team would like to announce a new feature enabled globally
> today:
>
> An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> as breaking them down by namespace. For those who will want to link
> directly to their count on a particular wiki, the page accepts input via
> the url; as an example, my edit count on Central Wikia would be
> http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Editcount&username=Essjay.
>
> We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> know if there are any problems.
>
> Ryan
>
> --
> Ryan Jordan
> Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
> www.wikia.com
> Username: Essjay
> essjay.wikia at gmail.com
> www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:21:28 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:21:28 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230521i2abdda3ag8167c4552ecab2b3@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Robert Leverington <lcarsdata at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Is there a possibility of upgrading this to use subpage-style input.
> For example [[Special:Editcount/Lcarsdata]] - this would be much easier
> to link to and is already used in some extensions.

That format works too.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:26:58 2007
From: florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Florian_K=E4utner?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:26:58 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ryan,

2007/2/23, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com>:
>
> An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> as breaking them down by namespace.


> We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> know if there are any problems.


Is this feature linked on the special page overview or the sidebar of user
pages? Maybe I did oversee it.

Please switch the style- and colour-management to some css definition or
manage it by WikiMedia system texts. Not all wikis have white backgrounds. (
http://www.memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Spezial:Editcount/Florian_K)

There may be a flaw in calculation, see URL above. I've made 7767 edits,
3000 are in article namespace which is calculated to a ratio of 0.04%. Maybe
there is a mis-interpretation of the point (or comma) to mark thousands.
Keep in mind that this mark differs from country to country.

Regards,
Florian
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From webmaster at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 13:47:33 2007
From: webmaster at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm....
Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie

I know I have done more than 353 edits...
(Great idea for an extension though!)


Jamie
Marvel Database Project

On 2/23/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Ryan,
>
> 2007/2/23, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com>:
> >
> > An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> > Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> > as breaking them down by namespace.
>
>
> > We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> > exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> > know if there are any problems.
>
>
> Is this feature linked on the special page overview or the sidebar of user
> pages? Maybe I did oversee it.
>
> Please switch the style- and colour-management to some css definition or
> manage it by WikiMedia system texts. Not all wikis have white backgrounds. (http://www.memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Spezial:Editcount/Florian_K
> )
>
> There may be a flaw in calculation, see URL above. I've made 7767 edits,
> 3000 are in article namespace which is calculated to a ratio of 0.04% .
> Maybe there is a mis-interpretation of the point (or comma) to mark
> thousands. Keep in mind that this mark differs from country to country.
>
> Regards,
> Florian
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:59:36 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:59:36 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> Hmm....
> Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
> Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)
>
> http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie
>
> I know I have done more than 353 edits...
> (Great idea for an extension though!)

This might be related to the fact you changed username when
marveldatabase.com moved to Wikia.

Angela


From webmaster at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 14:41:37 2007
From: webmaster at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:41:37 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>

Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
curious why these below stats are correct then?

http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm

This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.


Jamie.


On 2/23/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> > Hmm....
> > Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
> > Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)
> >
> > http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie
> >
> > I know I have done more than 353 edits...
> > (Great idea for an extension though!)
>
> This might be related to the fact you changed username when
> marveldatabase.com moved to Wikia.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 14:49:49 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:49:49 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
> curious why these below stats are correct then?
>
> http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm
>
> This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.

Special:Editcount counts by user_id. I expect the wikistats (which
shouldn't be relied on) count by username, not ID. That might account
for the difference, but I'm not completely sure.

Have any other wikis which started off-wikia noticed a problem like this?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:18:03 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <45DE6D3D.2020104@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702222021k1224e9eek89d00528b2553bb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<45DE6D3D.2020104@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702230818p6c52020ref9e8f244aaead8a@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>
> Fortunately, these days when our phones ring it's a surprising event...
> last summer, not so much. :)
>

I'll raise my glass to that! Downtime has been reduced greatly since last
year :)

-S
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:25:00 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>

Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet Wiki
for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
Special:Editcount?

-S


On 2/23/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> > Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
> > curious why these below stats are correct then?
> >
> > http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm
> >
> > This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.
>
> Special:Editcount counts by user_id. I expect the wikistats (which
> shouldn't be relied on) count by username, not ID. That might account
> for the difference, but I'm not completely sure.
>
> Have any other wikis which started off-wikia noticed a problem like this?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 17:06:07 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:06:07 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230906o182c566cw2df020e699df832b@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet Wiki
> for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
> Special:Editcount?

It's possible it's only the overall stats that are out since the
muppet ones look ok to me. Michael Davis might be able to tell you
more.

Wikipedia has the same problem and actually disabled them completely
last October. We are trying to find an alternative, perhaps via Google
analytics which could provide reliable stats as well as referrer data.

Angela


From mdavis at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 17:43:26 2007
From: mdavis at wikia.com (Michael Davis)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702230906o182c566cw2df020e699df832b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>	
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>	
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>	
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>	
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>	
	<8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>	
	<3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230906o182c566cw2df020e699df832b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45DF27BE.1030206@wikia.com>

Angela wrote:
> On 2/23/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet 
>> Wiki
>> for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
>> Special:Editcount?
>
> It's possible it's only the overall stats that are out since the
> muppet ones look ok to me. Michael Davis might be able to tell you
> more.
>
> Wikipedia has the same problem and actually disabled them completely
> last October. We are trying to find an alternative, perhaps via Google
> analytics which could provide reliable stats as well as referrer data.
>
> Angela
>
I'm aware of an error in the article count stats for at least one wiki 
where the article count fluctuates from day to day between 5 (just five) 
and 3,000.   I don't know the cause of the error or what other data or 
wikis might be affected by the problem.  I'm suspicious of all the 
wikistat data but if the data looks about right for a particular wiki 
then it is probably is correct.

We are working on  a way to provide daily pageviews, visitor count, and 
referral information for each wiki.


Michael 
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From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 19:51:09 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:51:09 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
Message-ID: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>

I got an email from a user of the Efrat Wiki saying that they couldn't
get into any of the Wiki content, since every link led to edit main
page.

I couldn't figure out what was going on, so I asked her to call me.

After walking her through a few scenarios, we came up with the problem.

When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.

The problem doesn't appear on single click.  The problem doesn't
appear on Firefox.  It does appear on other Wikis that use the old
fashion skin (I recreated it on the Toronto Wiki).  It doesn't appear
on Torvid, which doesn't use the old fashion skin.

This is the kind of problem that most of us web savvy people will
never encounter (we know when to single click and when to double
click), but will occur a lot with newbees.
-- 
David Fink


From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:15:41 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:41 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> instead of going to the link.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:26:29 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:26:29 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>

1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.
2. Please please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy
users don't understand the nuances of when to single click and when to
double click.  It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away
without complaining.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> > instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
David Fink


From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:29:25 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:29:25 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702241229l6e77182en1667e426c462f2fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.

I just tried it on Firefox 2.0 and it seems to work for me. You need
to be a new user or logged out. Existed users won't have their
preferences changed so you need to enable it yourself if you want to
use it.

Angela


From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:31:58 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:31:58 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c75852$d59b8450$6500a8c0@SWR>

I recently noticed this function as well, and I'd prefer it be disabled by 
default. I'm a little click-happy in general, and I've found myself 
accidentally going to the edit page from time to time. This function also 
prevents double clicking to select a single word.  I would expect that 
people who get to the Edit page by this means are probably more confused 
than anything else.

So far as encouraging editing goes, I think that the Edit link (and the 
various section links) are prominent enough. If someone doesn't know to 
click on the edit link (or maybe feel comfortable enough to do so), they may 
not want to be thrown unexpectantly into an edit page.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angela" <beesley at gmail.com>
To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
>> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
>> instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> -- 
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l 



From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:32:10 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:32:10 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702241229l6e77182en1667e426c462f2fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241229l6e77182en1667e426c462f2fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10e892f40702241232v6cbb9256kb3035d71ecf63d1b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using Firefox 1.5, I'm logged out, and it's not working.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.
>
> I just tried it on Firefox 2.0 and it seems to work for me. You need
> to be a new user or logged out. Existed users won't have their
> preferences changed so you need to enable it yourself if you want to
> use it.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
David Fink


From bkaufmann at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:40:16 2007
From: bkaufmann at gmail.com (Bill Kaufmann)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:40:16 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>

The problem is that Non-savvy users also don't know that 1) editing is
possible and 2) how to edit.
This could be one way (of many) to point them to do so. 
Perhaps a statement on each page "double click anywhere on this page to edit
it" would help.

Double clicking works for me in FF 2.0.

Thanks,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On Behalf
Of David Fink
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox. 2. Please
please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy users don't
understand the nuances of when to single click and when to double click.
It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away without complaining.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page 
> > instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but 
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier 
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click 
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled 
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences - 
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the 
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
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From markdarb at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:44:53 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:44:53 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>
References: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>
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I didn't know about this feature. I'll use it in all MediaWiki sites I
contribute to from now on! However I think it should be disabled by default
to avoid confusion (although the feature should be prominently mentioned in
the editing help pages).

On 25/02/07, Bill Kaufmann <bkaufmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The problem is that Non-savvy users also don't know that 1) editing is
> possible and 2) how to edit.
> This could be one way (of many) to point them to do so.
> Perhaps a statement on each page "double click anywhere on this page to
> edit
> it" would help.
>
> Double clicking works for me in FF 2.0.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf
> Of David Fink
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox. 2.
> Please
> please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy users don't
> understand the nuances of when to single click and when to double click.
> It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away without
> complaining.
>
> On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> > > instead of going to the link.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> > one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
> >
> > The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> > to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> > to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
> >
> > This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> > or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> > look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> > preferences.
> >
> > We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> > 1) on by default for everyone
> > 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> > 3) always off by default
> > 4) something else?
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > --
> > Angela Beesley
> > Wikia.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Sun Feb 25 00:06:11 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:06:11 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:08:47 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 00:11:31 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:11:31 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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On 2/25/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>  Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does
> the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other
> than just "turn it off" :) :)

How about a message the first time someone sees it?

"You have double clicked this page which will lead you to an editing
screen. Choose Cancel to disable this feature or OK to continue".

For unregistered users, their preference could be stored in a cookie
rather than in their preferences. For logged in users, this would
actually change their [[Special:Preferences]].

Angela


From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 00:37:49 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:37:49 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me to the edit page. 

Scott


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Q. 
  To: Central Wikia Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


  Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other than just "turn it off" :) :)
  Thanks,
  Q.


  Angela wrote: 
On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
  When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.
    
Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela

  

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From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 03:41:51 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:41:51 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702241611u5cfeb0c1v1d0a51cb1f20a5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
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> How about a message the first time someone sees it?
>
> "You have double clicked this page which will lead you to an editing
> screen. Choose Cancel to disable this feature or OK to continue".

Newbies expect links to lead to pages.  That's what the web does.
Anything other than that will confuse them.

I think I figured out the issue with Firefox 1.5, and it may provide a
solution.  In FF1.5, if you double click on a link, it takes you to
the link.  If you double click on anything else, you get the edit
page.

Can we get that behavior on the other browsers?

David


From johnq at wikia.com  Sun Feb 25 06:40:01 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:40:01 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 16:14:40 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<45E0D2F3.7080305@wikia.com><002301c75875$305b5ba0$6500a8c0@SWR>
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So double-clicking on text to go to the edit screen will remain? That's 
actually the behavior that I dislike most.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Q.
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


Hi Scott,

Yes, the extension adds the ability to double click on a section and it 
edits that section. The problem with the double-click is that, as David 
pointed out, many people double click on links... which then doesn't go to 
the link but edits the page. So, yes, we'll look into making this "do the 
right thing" as soon as possible.

Thanks,
Q.


ScottW wrote:
Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that 
I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me to 
the edit page.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Q.
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does 
the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other 
than just "turn it off" :) :)
Thanks,
Q.


Angela wrote:
On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:

When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.


Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela




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From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 22:52:26 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:52:26 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Editcount and Article Counter
Message-ID: <af548eb10702251452l3fbb0b4g26c7bdd3df90fbb1@mail.gmail.com>

I really am enjoying the new edit counter. It updates automatically which is
really nice, In my view it was a great addition to every wikia. One thing i
noticed on my wikia that the Number of Articles takes a few minutes to
update. Has wikia thought about making it instantly also?, if so when might
something like this happen?

Muppets101
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 23:01:32 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:01:32 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Editcount and Article Counter
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Whenever I want to get an up-to-date Article Count, I add
"?action=purge" to the Main {ahe URL.

On 2/25/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> I really am enjoying the new edit counter. It updates automatically which is
> really nice, In my view it was a great addition to every wikia. One thing i
> noticed on my wikia that the Number of Articles takes a few minutes to
> update. Has wikia thought about making it instantly also?, if so when might
> something like this happen?
>
> Muppets101
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 23:55:07 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:07 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/19/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
> Hello Wikia folks,
>
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
> have that they can't answer.
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.

Hi Ben,

Sorry for not responding to this sooner. I was trying to find out what
the situation was with a similar project Wikia is hosting -
yellowikis.org - since that overlaps with your proposal.

We are trying to keep all Wikia on the Wikia.com domain as much as
possible. In cases where there is a large existing community, we do
make exceptions, but that prevents single-login to all sites and makes
it harder to track page view stats across all wikis. So, I would say
that we are happy to host wikipages for you, and to create subdomains
for different languages or directories for different locations, but
that this would be on wikia.com. Perhaps listings.wikia.com or
similar.

To be consistent with most other Wikia and Wikimedia sites, we would
like for all new wikis to release their content under the GFDL.

Would you be happy with that and to redirect wikipages.com there
instead of keeping the content on your current domain?

Angela

-- 
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Wikia.com


From bhorst at mac.com  Mon Feb 26 03:49:05 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>

Hi Angela,

I do know of yellowikis.org, but haven't taken a look in a while. I'm  
glad that we don't overlap too much with what they are doing.

I'm pretty sure I will license Wikipages under GFDL soon. There's a  
new version about to be released, from what I read on Wikipedia, that  
will deal with some of the problems the current version has. Will  
Wikia use this version?  (As for CC licenses, the only one I've used  
in the past is BY-SA, the others don't really appeal to me.)

I'm pretty set on keeping the site at the Wikipages.com domain now,  
but I am very tempted... something like "pages.wikia.com" might work  
very well. I'll keep thinking about it, and thank you for the offer.

-Ben

On Feb 25, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Angela wrote:

> On 2/19/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
>> Hello Wikia folks,
>>
>> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
>> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
>> have that they can't answer.
>>
>> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
>> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
>> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> Sorry for not responding to this sooner. I was trying to find out what
> the situation was with a similar project Wikia is hosting -
> yellowikis.org - since that overlaps with your proposal.
>
> We are trying to keep all Wikia on the Wikia.com domain as much as
> possible. In cases where there is a large existing community, we do
> make exceptions, but that prevents single-login to all sites and makes
> it harder to track page view stats across all wikis. So, I would say
> that we are happy to host wikipages for you, and to create subdomains
> for different languages or directories for different locations, but
> that this would be on wikia.com. Perhaps listings.wikia.com or
> similar.
>
> To be consistent with most other Wikia and Wikimedia sites, we would
> like for all new wikis to release their content under the GFDL.
>
> Would you be happy with that and to redirect wikipages.com there
> instead of keeping the content on your current domain?
>
> Angela
>
> -- 
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 05:57:00 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com><8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
	<50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV85015D25388F437F65AB0A5830@phx.gbl>

> I'm pretty set on keeping the site at the Wikipages.com domain now,
> but I am very tempted... something like "pages.wikia.com" might work
> very well. I'll keep thinking about it, and thank you for the offer.

I would note that transferring to the Wikia domain would be easier if there 
was still the possibility of using a . . . well, *better* domain name to 
refer to the site in advertising and promotion.

What we have wanted to do at WikiFur for some time now is to have 
"http://furry.wikia.com/wiki" redirect to "http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/" 
rather than giving a 404. This will allow us to make our domain 
"wikifur.com" into a redirect to "http://furry.wikia.com/wiki" and so we 
will be able to use "wikifur.com/articlename" as an alias for 
"http://furry.wikia.com/articlename", without having to worry that 
"wikifur.com" (the bare URL) will not work.

I appreciate that Wikia would like their domain name to be prominent. 
However, communities like the idea of having their own websites, and it is 
easier to rally people around a second-level domain name than it is a third. 
:-)

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?"
 



From markdarb at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 06:29:15 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:29:15 +1200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <002e01c758f8$0e37f370$6500a8c0@SWR>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E0D2F3.7080305@wikia.com> <002301c75875$305b5ba0$6500a8c0@SWR>
	<45E12F41.6060007@wikia.com> <002e01c758f8$0e37f370$6500a8c0@SWR>
Message-ID: <44b952b0702252229wb8924dfm1407f1cb6a4f67bc@mail.gmail.com>

I see no harm in completely disabling double click editing so that people
have to explicitly change that setting in their preferences if they want to
be able to double click to edit. The majority of people who would like that
feature wouldn't have any trouble enabling it. People who are unaware of it
(such as I was until this thread) probably aren't going to accidentally
discover the feature and decide to use it (I know I didn't, but it sounds
useful) - so there's no point in having it enabled by default, because the
only people who will use it know how to enable it.

On 26/02/07, ScottW <coffeewiki at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So double-clicking on text to go to the edit screen will remain? That's
> actually the behavior that I dislike most.
>
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Q.
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Yes, the extension adds the ability to double click on a section and it
> edits that section. The problem with the double-click is that, as David
> pointed out, many people double click on links... which then doesn't go to
> the link but edits the page. So, yes, we'll look into making this "do the
> right thing" as soon as possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Q.
>
>
> ScottW wrote:
> Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that
> I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me
> to
> the edit page.
>
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Q.
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does
> the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other
> than just "turn it off" :) :)
> Thanks,
> Q.
>
>
> Angela wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> instead of going to the link.
>
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
>
>
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 17:35:04 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:35:04 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
	<50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702260935m176e22e9m9864d495abc8aff9@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/26/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I will license Wikipages under GFDL soon. There's a
> new version about to be released

There was discussion of a new version, but there's no guarantee of if
or when that will be completed since even the draft has not yet been
released.

Let me know when you're ready to move and I can set up pages.wikia.com for you.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Feb 26 20:18:00 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:18:00 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702252229wb8924dfm1407f1cb6a4f67bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<45E0D2F3.7080305@wikia.com>
	<002301c75875$305b5ba0$6500a8c0@SWR>	<45E12F41.6060007@wikia.com>
	<002e01c758f8$0e37f370$6500a8c0@SWR>
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From afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp  Wed Feb 28 12:49:54 2007
From: afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp (Afker Aih)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:49:54 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Wikia-l] To admins of gaming-related wikias: you can easily help
	promote gameinfo
Message-ID: <20070228124954.76012.qmail@web3712.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>

If you are willing to, you can easily add links in the
navigation side bar for gameinfo.  Here is how you do it:

1. Edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
2. Add the following line to the bottom:
** gameinfo:|Gameinfo Wikia
3. Uncheck "minor edit" box (making the edit minor may
prevent it affecting the interface)
4. Flush your browser cache.

Also, we can all help promote each other by providing a
link in the navigation side bar for the gaming category on
central:
** w:Category:Gaming |Other gaming wikias

Cheers!

-Afker


--------------------------------------
Start Yahoo! Auction now! Check out the cool campaign
http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/auction/



From robs at mainspring.co.za  Sat Feb  3 19:05:50 2007
From: robs at mainspring.co.za (Rob Smorfitt )
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:05:50 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
Message-ID: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>

 

Hi everyone

 

A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever reasons,
in small and medium business (SME?s)

 

We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism welcome,
as well as tips

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

Rob Smorfitt

MainSpring - driving business development

http://main-spring.blogspot.com

 

 

+27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)

+27 33 342 8870 (Never there)

+27 33 342 0246 (Fax)

 


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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 19:33:34 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:33:34 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
In-Reply-To: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>
References: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702031133s34b69a4eldb2f10f5fa6586b8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rob,

What's the URL?

Chad

On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME's)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
> --
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From robs at mainspring.co.za  Sat Feb  3 19:40:21 2007
From: robs at mainspring.co.za (Rob Smorfitt )
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:40:21 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0702031133s34b69a4eldb2f10f5fa6586b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006701c747cb$2bcdf6c0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>

Hi Chad

http://sme.wikia.com 

Rob Smorfitt
MainSpring - driving business development
www.mainspring.co.za 

+27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
+27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
+27 33 342 0246 (Fax)


-----Original Message-----
From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On Behalf
Of Chad Lupkes
Sent: 03 February 2007 21:34
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki

Hi Rob,

What's the URL?

Chad

On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME's)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
> --
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 18:35:14 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:35:14 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>

Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
"santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Feb  5 18:43:59 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:43:59 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45C77AEF.7020908@wikia.com>

Ok, thanks Scott. We'll take a look as soon as we can.
Q.


Scott Hanson wrote:
> Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and 
> "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
>  
> -Scott
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From frankiefans at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 17:55:47 2007
From: frankiefans at gmail.com (Frankie Fans)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Pew report on tagging
Message-ID: <86f2075f0702060955k2646d117sd9f7b214d5310f84@mail.gmail.com>

good read  --

http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/201/report_display.asp


Just as the internet allows users to create and share their own media, it is
also enabling them to organize digital material their own way, rather than
relying on pre-existing formats of classifying information.

A December 2006 survey has found that 28% of internet users have tagged or
categorized content online such as photos, news stories or blog posts. On a
typical day online, 7% of internet users say they tag or categorize online
content.

The report features an interview with David Weinberger, a prominent blogger
and fellow at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet & Society.
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From beesley at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 17:08:27 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:08:27 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] What is your Wikia story?
Message-ID: <8b722b800702070908r32560574hdd26fd79c132e736@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have a story to tell about Wikia?

Please share it at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia:Our_stories

The page is hoped to be an interesting place to find out about how
other users are using Wikia and what their wiki is doing for them. It
could also be useful for reporters when they want to add a more human
perspective to their stories about Wikia.

I look forward to seeing your stories!

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb  9 19:57:11 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:57:11 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
Message-ID: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that 
they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over 
the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they 
re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.

Thanks,
John Q.



From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 22:21:38 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:21:38 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
In-Reply-To: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>
References: <45CCD217.6020601@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702091421ga913da8xa910fc2462b8c219@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the head's up, John.

-Scott


On 2/9/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
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From duncan at wikia.com  Sat Feb 10 06:14:03 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:14:03 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Outage
Message-ID: <EE862968-5CE7-446B-BAB9-D7B68159B2C1@wikia.com>

Folks,

We had a bit of a blip earlier on the website related to a file  
server.  We just received a replacement server and it will be brought  
online soon to prevent things like this from happening.
Let us know if you see any further issues.

Matthew


From johnq at wikia.com  Sat Feb 10 07:39:24 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:39:24 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] slowdowns detected...
Message-ID: <45CD76AC.4090405@wikia.com>

Hi,

There have been a couple of slowdowns over the last 20-30 minutes. This 
appears to be the colo doing the work previously mentioned.

Thanks,
John Q.



From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 15:35:15 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:35:15 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13913.1171088033.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
References: <mailman.13913.1171088033.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10702100735m5d51a43fic36b590d76159e3c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone, Um well i am not sure what to think i have a nameless ip
address on my wikia and i do not know if they are testing pages or what but
they keep adding articles like Jamesha and stuff. I do not want to ban them
because that would just encourage them more i think i will just wait them
out and keep removing the stuff. Phillip http://puppet.wikia.com

On 2/9/07, wikia-l-request at wikia.com <wikia-l-request at wikia.com> wrote:
>
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>   1. A new Wiki (Rob Smorfitt )
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>   3. Re: A new Wiki (Rob Smorfitt )
>   4. search broken again (Scott Hanson)
>   5. Re: search broken again (John Q.)
>   6. Pew report on tagging (Frankie Fans)
>   7. What is your Wikia story? (Angela)
>   8. datacenter maintenance... (John Q.)
>   9. Re: datacenter maintenance... (Scott Hanson)
> 10. Site Outage (Matthew Silvey)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:05:50 +0200
> From: "Rob Smorfitt " <robs at mainspring.co.za>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: <wikia-l at wikia.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME?s)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:33:34 -0800
> From: "Chad Lupkes" <chadlupkes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
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> Hi Rob,
>
> What's the URL?
>
> Chad
>
> On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> >
> >
> >
> > A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> > in small and medium business (SME's)
> >
> >
> >
> > We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> > as well as tips
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Smorfitt
> >
> > MainSpring - driving business development
> >
> > http://main-spring.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> >
> > +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> >
> > +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:40:21 +0200
> From: "Rob Smorfitt " <robs at mainspring.co.za>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
> To: "'Central Wikia Mailing List'" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
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>
> Hi Chad
>
> http://sme.wikia.com
>
> Rob Smorfitt
> MainSpring - driving business development
> www.mainspring.co.za
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Chad Lupkes
> Sent: 03 February 2007 21:34
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> What's the URL?
>
> Chad
>
> On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> >
> >
> >
> > A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
> reasons,
> > in small and medium business (SME's)
> >
> >
> >
> > We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
> welcome,
> > as well as tips
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Smorfitt
> >
> > MainSpring - driving business development
> >
> > http://main-spring.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
> >
> > +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
> >
> > +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >  No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >  Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date:
> 2007/02/01
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> 2007/02/01
>
>
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> 2007/02/01
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:35:14 -0500
> From: "Scott Hanson" <scarecroe at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
> "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:43:59 -0800
> From: "John Q." <johnq at wikia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] search broken again
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
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> Ok, thanks Scott. We'll take a look as soon as we can.
> Q.
>
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
> > Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
> > "santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.
> >
> > -Scott
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:55:47 -0500
> From: "Frankie Fans" <frankiefans at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Pew report on tagging
> To: wikia-l at wikia.com
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> good read  --
>
> http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/201/report_display.asp
>
>
> Just as the internet allows users to create and share their own media, it
> is
> also enabling them to organize digital material their own way, rather than
> relying on pre-existing formats of classifying information.
>
> A December 2006 survey has found that 28% of internet users have tagged or
> categorized content online such as photos, news stories or blog posts. On
> a
> typical day online, 7% of internet users say they tag or categorize online
> content.
>
> The report features an interview with David Weinberger, a prominent
> blogger
> and fellow at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet & Society.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:08:27 -0800
> From: Angela <beesley at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] What is your Wikia story?
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Do you have a story to tell about Wikia?
>
> Please share it at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia:Our_stories
>
> The page is hoped to be an interesting place to find out about how
> other users are using Wikia and what their wiki is doing for them. It
> could also be useful for reporters when they want to add a more human
> perspective to their stories about Wikia.
>
> I look forward to seeing your stories!
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:57:11 -0800
> From: "John Q." <johnq at wikia.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID: <45CCD217.6020601 at wikia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:21:38 -0500
> From: "Scott Hanson" <scarecroe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] datacenter maintenance...
> To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <3b6cf93a0702091421ga913da8xa910fc2462b8c219 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Thanks for the head's up, John.
>
> -Scott
>
>
> On 2/9/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > We received an e-mail from our datacenter in San Jose telling us that
> > they will be doing maintenance on the fiber link connects to Level3 over
> > the next two days. We may experience periods of slowness as they
> > re-route traffic to other channels while doing their work.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Q.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:14:03 -0800
> From: Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com>
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Outage
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List <wikia-l at wikia.com>
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>
> Folks,
>
> We had a bit of a blip earlier on the website related to a file
> server.  We just received a replacement server and it will be brought
> online soon to prevent things like this from happening.
> Let us know if you see any further issues.
>
> Matthew
>
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 16:50:18 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:50:18 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
Message-ID: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/10/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everyone, Um well i am not sure what to think i have a nameless ip
> address on my wikia and i do not know if they are testing pages or what but
> they keep adding articles like Jamesha and stuff. I do not want to ban them
> because that would just encourage them more i think i will just wait them
> out and keep removing the stuff. Phillip http://puppet.wikia.com

Hi Phillip,

The edits seem to be relevant to the puppet wiki. I've put a copy of
one of the pages you deleted at
http://puppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Puppet_Wikia:Sandbox&oldid=5208
so others can see what it is. The pages about song spoofs seem fine
too.

Other pages seem a bit confusing, but on-topic, so perhaps the user
just needs to explain what they are writing about. See
http://puppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Puppet_Wikia:Sandbox&oldid=5205
for example.

I think it would be best to unblock the user and talk to them on their
discussion page at
http://puppet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:74.128.200.222 to explain how
they should be editing.

Angela


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 21:15:48 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:15:48 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>

That page is pure nonsense. We've seen stuff like that on Muppet Wiki a lot.
That's not a confused person who needs an explanation. That's an autistic
kid who needs to be blocked.


-- Danny
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 18:45:48 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:45:48 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers :)

Angela


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 22:47:29 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>

Well, that's not a newcomer. I've seen that person before; he's been posting
similar nonsense on Muppet Wiki for a long time.

"Jamesha Beard, Madeline Kahn, And Kermit the Frog Appear In. In Elmo's
World Instead Of "Jamesha Beard's World"

That's not just badly formatted content; it's actual nonsense, written by
somebody with OCD. If you'd like to see more of that contributor's work,
check out this link:

http://lyrics.astraweb.com/browse/bands/18/Jameshabeard.html

where you can find 75 "songs" about Jamesha Beard, Kermit, Miss Piggy,
Sesame Street and Muppet Pinball. It doesn't matter which one you click on;
they're all nuts.

In most cases, I agree with "Please do not bite the newcomers", but there
are moments when common sense tells you that this isn't your average
newcomer. Some people are just nuts, and being nice to them doesn't turn
them into productive contributors. In fact, keeping them around will drive
away your regular contributors.


-- Danny
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 11 23:13:25 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (greenreaper at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>

To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur and start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though - we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most suitable place for their content. Their value seems minimal at best, and the articles have been deleted at WikiFur.

--
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Danny Horn 
  To: Central Wikia Mailing List 
  Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki


  Well, that's not a newcomer. I've seen that person before; he's been posting similar nonsense on Muppet Wiki for a long time. 

  "Jamesha Beard, Madeline Kahn, And Kermit the Frog Appear In. In Elmo's World Instead Of "Jamesha Beard's World" 

  That's not just badly formatted content; it's actual nonsense, written by somebody with OCD. If you'd like to see more of that contributor's work, check out this link:

  http://lyrics.astraweb.com/browse/bands/18/Jameshabeard.html

  where you can find 75 "songs" about Jamesha Beard, Kermit, Miss Piggy, Sesame Street and Muppet Pinball. It doesn't matter which one you click on; they're all nuts.

  In most cases, I agree with "Please do not bite the newcomers", but there are moments when common sense tells you that this isn't your average newcomer. Some people are just nuts, and being nice to them doesn't turn them into productive contributors. In fact, keeping them around will drive away your regular contributors. 


  -- Danny




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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 23:58:26 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:58:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702111558t44361c54jcfc1f920f6514c8f@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, here's a couple pages that this productive "newcomer" just added to
WikiFur:

deleted "I Love You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Love_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>":
content was: 'A Parody Of the Song "I Hate You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Hate_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>"In
this song, Miss Piggy <http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Miss_Piggy> shows a heart
and a banjo of Kermiit the
Frog's<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kermiit_the_Frog%27s&action=edit>Theme,And
Jamesha Bea...'

deleted "I Hate You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Hate_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>":
content was: 'Grover Sings About The Disco Song, "I Hate You, Kermit"
Song.This Song Parodied "I Love You,
Kermit<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=I_Love_You%2C_Kermit&action=edit>
.'

deleted "Kiss Kermit the
Frog<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kiss_Kermit_the_Frog&action=edit>":
content was: 'A Parody Of "Elmo's
Song<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Elmo%27s_Song&action=edit>"In
this Song, Madeline
Kahn<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Madeline_Kahn&action=edit>Helps
The Muppets With An Big Kiss.'

deleted "Elmo's
Song<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Elmo%27s_Song&action=edit>":
content was: 'Sung By Elmo, Big Bird, And Snuffy.This Song Parodied "Kiss
Kermit the Frog<http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kiss_Kermit_the_Frog&action=edit>
"'

None of those songs exist. Angela, do you really think that the best thing
to do would be to welcome this guy, because "perhaps the user just needs to
explain what they are writing about"? At what point do you think an
administrator can legitimately say, this guy is batshit crazy?

Angela, I'm honestly astonished at your group facilitation skills. Your
instincts are, as ever, flawless.


-- Danny
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 02:01:24 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:01:24 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>

Has the site stalled right now?


-- Danny
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 02:09:43 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:09:43 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702111809v481246f7ib92684a31f83db8c@mail.gmail.com>

It had, looks to be up now

On 2/12/07, Danny Horn <toughpigs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has the site stalled right now?
>
>
> -- Danny
>
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-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From duncan at wikia.com  Mon Feb 12 02:10:36 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:10:36 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Slowdown?
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702111801n1aae1f5am30839afd60b4a92d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6A4DE28-478C-4D3B-98A7-A4A3BCBFCD56@wikia.com>

I believe we had another network blip, but I don't recall these being  
scheduled.

Matthew
On Feb 11, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Danny Horn wrote:

> Has the site stalled right now?
>
>
> -- Danny
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 06:40:25 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:40:25 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>

> To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur and
> start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though -
> we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most
> suitable place for their content.

Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
this user.

Wikipedia has dozens of warning templates for users like this -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace
The idea is to make them contribute usefully or give them fair warning
if they really can not. We have people like this every day on
Wikipedia and they are never blocked without warning for it.

Even if that one user is never going to be a useful member of your
community, it sends a positive message to other new users who will be
useful members, rather than scaring them into thinking they are likely
to be banned any minute if they don't understand some policy (which
was very much the feeling at the Open Directory Project every time
someone was blocked for violating a policy new users hadn't even heard
of). Please remember that banning someone can affect the whole
community - and not just the user you block.

Angela


From johnjreaves at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 07:21:25 2007
From: johnjreaves at gmail.com (John Reaves)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:21:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Autoblocked
Message-ID: <21bbbd860702112321i3b181644g17185c6b387d932c@mail.gmail.com>

My IP (74.140.190.187) was autoblocked for using User:Public account.  Can
someone unblock this please?  Also, my RfA at the Harry Potter wiki (
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Harry_Potter_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal)
appears to have reached consensus.  If someone could take  look, it would be
appreciated.

-John Reaves
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 12 07:26:32 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (greenreaper at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com><e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com><BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>
	<8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV7737B40FCD8719EDA8128A5910@phx.gbl>

> Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
> wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
> discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
> this user.

Well, I should note that another of our admins went through and deleted all 
of those pages shortly after I posted. Different admins have differing 
tolerance levels. :-)

I think that there is a need for both a definite response to material that 
should not be on a particular wiki, _and_ an explicit "offering of the olive 
branch" to the people who are, perhaps, not quite on the same page as 
everyone else. If that branch is refused or ignored, then it may become 
necessary to move to other resolutions.

I agree that a friendly atmosphere encourages both public contribution and 
increases the public reputation of the project. I know that some people do 
not contribute, just watch WikiFur's recent changes for items of interest, 
and I am keenly aware that my actions there (and here) reflect on the wiki 
as a whole.

WikiFur has a good reputation in part because its admins are usually willing 
to be patient when problems arise. That doesn't mean we let random 
contributors walk all over our policies - I reverted someone just now for 
deleting someone else's talk on a discussion page - but we do explain what 
we're doing and why, and try to suggest alternatives to them, even if it's 
not clear that they will listen, because we know that the other people who 
see it will. Just because a talk page is "personal" does not mean it is less 
subject to monitoring by others.

I think Wikipedia sometimes waits too long to respond, in part because it is 
so distributed. But not waiting at all (or responding without trying to 
explain) is not ideal either. There is always more time on a wiki - or at 
least, there should be. If there is no admin time to deal with such users, 
you need to make sure other contributors can handle such situations and feel 
that they are entitled to speak to such people on behalf of the wiki. The 
more the merrier, in this situation, as it means less stress for individual 
admins.

Thoughtfully,

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" 



From toughpigs at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 11:31:31 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:31:31 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702120331q2799e7b9s2ad59d843d0d2380@mail.gmail.com>

Wikipedia has 43,000 contributors a month. They can afford to be more
lenient, because if you don't have time to deal with a vandal, you have tens
of thousands of colleagues who can do it for you. An individual vandal, or
nutjob, can't do very much harm to the 1.4 million pages on Wikipedia.

In contrast, WikiFur has 90 contributors. Puppet Wiki currently has 6.
Policies and procedures that work for a group of 43,000 people don't make
sense for a group of 6.

One thing that makes good, productive contributors feel unsafe is the idea
that the group is overrun by vandals and crazy people. I don't think new
people want to see that particular contributor welcomed by the admins.
People can tell the difference between inexperienced newbies and lunatics.
Well, most people can, anyway.


-- Danny


On 2/12/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To be fair to Danny here, we've now had that person come onto WikiFur
> and
> > start adding the pages instead. We've not had to ban them yet, though -
> > we've just left a note suggesting that WikiFur isn't really the most
> > suitable place for their content.
>
> Perhaps if someone had talked to him about what he was doing wrong, he
> wouldn't simply move to a new wiki every time he got blocked without
> discussion. I'm glad WikiFur is taking a more gentle approach with
> this user.
>
> Wikipedia has dozens of warning templates for users like this -
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace
> The idea is to make them contribute usefully or give them fair warning
> if they really can not. We have people like this every day on
> Wikipedia and they are never blocked without warning for it.
>
> Even if that one user is never going to be a useful member of your
> community, it sends a positive message to other new users who will be
> useful members, rather than scaring them into thinking they are likely
> to be banned any minute if they don't understand some policy (which
> was very much the feeling at the Open Directory Project every time
> someone was blocked for violating a policy new users hadn't even heard
> of). Please remember that banning someone can affect the whole
> community - and not just the user you block.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From jwales at wikia.com  Mon Feb 12 20:27:35 2007
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702120331q2799e7b9s2ad59d843d0d2380@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702100850u61857efja8c9ea0353eb44ac@mail.gmail.com>	<e61da0d10702101315p2f8000b5g7a33e28ced3ce03f@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800702111045p32f95784k93d3147528f28db7@mail.gmail.com>	<e61da0d10702111447k5e6eeb87h775e0855a7bd0d4@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY104-DAV1464AD2CFAABF529D6A04EA5920@phx.gbl>	<8b722b800702112240h70bb3e4aq7c823f6628708c3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10702120331q2799e7b9s2ad59d843d0d2380@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D0CDB7.2030303@wikia.com>

As the oldest of old timers, my own position here is that I have no 
position and respect both points of view.  The key to successful wiki 
culture, to my mind, is precisely having these kinds of interesting 
varying points of view on how to deal with problem users.  In the dialog 
around that tension, wisdom emerges.

Here are some things I think everyone can agree with:

1. Vandals and crazy people have to be dealt with for the benefit of the 
entire community.

2.  Usually we can tell the difference between newbies and crazy people, 
but sometimes they do look quite similar. :)

3. Even with vandals and crazy people, firmness and respect both play a 
role.  Demeaning or insulting a troll only makes them worse.  Treating 
them as if their behavior is acceptable only makes them worse.  We just 
have to firmly say "no, sorry, you can't do that here.  I hope we can 
help you have fun in some more helpful way, but if we can't, we can't."

4.  Wikia is not therapy.  We are not here to help people cure their 
problems.  If they need professional help, they should get professional 
help.

5.  Wikia is not a police state.  Good admins know that a healthy degree 
of sane dissent in our communities makes us stronger and more thoughtful.

6. EVEN WITH general agreement on statements like this, good admins may 
find themselves in respectful disagreement on many particular cases, and 
on how far to carry out different principles which appear to be in tension.

--Jimbo


From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Tue Feb 13 07:00:53 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:00:53 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>

Just a follow-up on the status of the spammer on the Puppet Wikia. I banned
him and Angela removed some of his edits (Thanks Angela). My first thought
from reading some information about the problem of spam was to change so
only a user can only edit i decided not to and just go head to head with
spammers and beat them at their own game. One thing i thought was weird
about the IP's edits is that the only page he edited that he did not create
was the sandbox; my understanding of spammers is that they vandelize pages
that are already added.

Spammers and the cause of spamming in my view is a very complex issue. I
mean would they spam there own website or blog? i would like to thank
everyone for their input on this subject it has been interesting
reading what they would do. Hopefully that will be the last of the spam for
awhile; another reason i think they spam is because they are bored but it
would make much more sense if they just helped with the project instead of
adding nonsense.

Regards,
*Phillip "Muppets101"*
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 00:58:41 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
Message-ID: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>

I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They seem
really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying something
new.

So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is this
all new?


-- Danny
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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 01:00:54 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:00:54 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702131700m42d110cfgbffa310bc31289f7@mail.gmail.com>

The spin is a new skin from ArmchairGM, at least on Politics.  Ramping up
the innovation!

Chad


On 2/13/07, Danny Horn <toughpigs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They seem
> really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying something
> new.
>
> So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is
> this all new?
>
>
> -- Danny
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Feb 14 02:28:06 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:28:06 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0702131700m42d110cfgbffa310bc31289f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
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From jwales at wikia.com  Wed Feb 14 03:53:43 2007
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:53:43 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>

Danny Horn wrote:
> I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They 
> seem really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying 
> something new.
> 
> So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is 
> this all new?

Pretty neat stuff, huh?  I am happy that we are finally starting to see 
the results of the investment... it costs a lot to innovate this stuff, 
but it's pretty cool, and all open source, and all free content, and it 
makes my head explode with the possibilities.

I think muppets (for example) is best with the traditional format, but I 
have to wonder if there aren't some interesting "magazine" spin off 
possibilities for you guys, too, perhaps at a sister site?  I am just 
brainstorming here...

--Jimbo


From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 04:10:30 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:10:30 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Wikia sites
In-Reply-To: <45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>
References: <e61da0d10702131658h2a675bd5y919b358443ab4e83@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D287C7.1040209@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702132010s5e78f612qd2454061a9b7b9ae@mail.gmail.com>

I'm actually more comfortable in the standard skin, but the sky is
certainly the limit.

Chad

On 2/13/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> Danny Horn wrote:
> > I saw the new sites on Wikia -- Politics, Entertainment, Local. They
> > seem really cool and interesting; it's obvious that Wikia is trying
> > something new.
> >
> > So what's up? Is this new stuff spinning off from somewhere else, or is
> > this all new?
>
> Pretty neat stuff, huh?  I am happy that we are finally starting to see
> the results of the investment... it costs a lot to innovate this stuff,
> but it's pretty cool, and all open source, and all free content, and it
> makes my head explode with the possibilities.
>
> I think muppets (for example) is best with the traditional format, but I
> have to wonder if there aren't some interesting "magazine" spin off
> possibilities for you guys, too, perhaps at a sister site?  I am just
> brainstorming here...
>
> --Jimbo
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From markdarb at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 09:27:28 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:27:28 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>
	<af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm at high school and I know lots of people who vandalise on Wikipedia (my
school's been blocked from editing a few times, which is very annoying for
me). I try in vain to dissuade them from vandalising, but they're just not
interested in making constructive edits because that's no fun. Thankfully
none of them have moved onto vandalising Wikia.

People my age are just very good at doing really stupid things and enjoying
it, and this is one of them. For some inexplicable reason they find it funny
when they make Wikipedia say something stupid. They also think it's funny
when they get blocked for a couple of weeks. They get some sort of pleasure
from this. I'm not sure if boredom's the reason, although I suppose people
only do this sort of thing if they're bored. So yes it's a very complex
issue, but in my opinion it all boils down to mere stupidity, ignorance and
selfishness - they're having fun and they don't care how it might affect
others, or if anything the way it affects others is funny in itself.

Well, that's what it boils down to for high school spammers. I suppose there
are all sorts of other motives for vandalism, so it really is a complex
issue!

Mark.

On 13/02/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just a follow-up on the status of the spammer on the Puppet Wikia. I
> banned him and Angela removed some of his edits (Thanks Angela). My
> first thought from reading some information about the problem of spam was to
> change so only a user can only edit i decided not to and just go head to
> head with spammers and beat them at their own game. One thing i thought was
> weird about the IP's edits is that the only page he edited that he did not
> create was the sandbox; my understanding of spammers is that they vandelize
> pages that are already added.
>
> Spammers and the cause of spamming in my view is a very complex issue. I
> mean would they spam there own website or blog? i would like to thank
> everyone for their input on this subject it has been interesting
> reading what they would do. Hopefully that will be the last of the spam for
> awhile; another reason i think they spam is because they are bored but it
> would make much more sense if they just helped with the project instead of
> adding nonsense.
>
> Regards,
> *Phillip "Muppets101"*
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:06:25 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).

I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like I'm
MickeyMouse-ing it.

Thanks,
Scott
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:10:14 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:10:14 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>

I have a way around this.

Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like this

http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0

Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
done.

On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
> is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
>
> I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like I'm
> MickeyMouse-ing it.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:14:15 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.



On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a way around this.
>
> Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> this
>
>
> http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
>
> Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> done.
>
> On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> >
> > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> I'm
> > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:21:06 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:21:06 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>

OK, that I did not see. Bug in MediaWiki?

On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.
>
>
>
>
> On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a way around this.
> >
> > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> this
> >
> >
> http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> >
> > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > done.
> >
> > On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> > >
> > > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> I'm
> > > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Scott
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikia-l mailing list
> > > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 00:33:29 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.15551.1171121705.28524.wikia-l@wikia.com>	<af548eb10702122300o7b3d9bf1y3855744b627c69cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<44b952b0702140127q65ae415bsd78d59733164a95b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D3AA59.5000706@gmail.com>

Mark William Darbyshire wrote:
> I'm at high school and I know lots of people who vandalise on 
> Wikipedia (my school's been blocked from editing a few times, which is 
> very annoying for me). I try in vain to dissuade them from 
> vandalising, but they're just not interested in making constructive 
> edits because that's no fun. Thankfully none of them have moved onto 
> vandalising Wikia.
>
> People my age are just very good at doing really stupid things and 
> enjoying it, and this is one of them. For some inexplicable reason 
> they find it funny when they make Wikipedia say something stupid. They 
> also think it's funny when they get blocked for a couple of weeks. 
> They get some sort of pleasure from this. I'm not sure if boredom's 
> the reason, although I suppose people only do this sort of thing if 
> they're bored. So yes it's a very complex issue, but in my opinion it 
> all boils down to mere stupidity, ignorance and selfishness - they're 
> having fun and they don't care how it might affect others, or if 
> anything the way it affects others is funny in itself.
>
> Well, that's what it boils down to for high school spammers. I suppose 
> there are all sorts of other motives for vandalism, so it really is a 
> complex issue!
>
> Mark.
>
If anyone knows of individuals who are using school resources to 
vandalize Wikia, please let the staff know; I can't speak for everyone, 
but I for one will be more than happy to phone up the head of IT for the 
school and have a chat. I've done it a number of times for Wikipedia, 
and usually solves the problem quite quickly. (On that note, if anyone 
knows about it on Wikipedia, there is a page for such reports 
[[Wikipedia:Abuse reports]].)

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From lcarsdata at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 15 08:42:23 2007
From: lcarsdata at googlemail.com (Robert Leverington)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:42:23 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a3c9ee0702150042y56a4af40qaa76e52e9c75fb68@mail.gmail.com>

It is a value is LocalSettings.php - it is set low because it is
generally considered that no one would want to go higher. Once you
unredirect one another one will appear on the top of the list. Ask
Angela and she might get it changed.
Yours,
Robert.

On 15/02/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, that I did not see. Bug in MediaWiki?
>
> On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have a way around this.
> > >
> > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> > this
> > >
> > >
> > http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > >
> > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > > done.
> > >
> > > On 2/15/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> > Special:Listredirects
> > > > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to do some maintenance, but without a proper list, I feel like
> > I'm
> > > > MickeyMouse-ing it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Scott
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Wikia-l mailing list
> > > > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikia-l mailing list
> > > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From robinp at xtra.co.nz  Thu Feb 15 10:44:52 2007
From: robinp at xtra.co.nz (Robin Patterson)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:44:52 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141610wb71c62ay4cfe8175b577618d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702141614k16cb80eeu3b000f84bbbee285@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50702141621u1de812e9r5c85a5106c04c7a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8a3c9ee0702150042y56a4af40qaa76e52e9c75fb68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018701c750ee$542fb640$860cf6d2@633>

How about changing the offset instead of the limit?
Robin

----- Original Message ----- 
.....
> > > On 2/14/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > I have a way around this.
> > > >
> > > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new
url that may look like
> > > this
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > > >
> > > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it.



From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 02:01:54 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site unavail...
Message-ID: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>

Hi,

While launching a lot of new sites, we had a configuration issue which 
we're resolving right now. We'll be back on-line in a jiffy.

Thanks,
John Q.



From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 02:02:51 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:02:51 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site unavail...
In-Reply-To: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>
References: <45D51092.6000405@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <45D510CB.7060201@wikia.com>

Ok... site is avail once again.

John Q. wrote:

>Hi,
>
>While launching a lot of new sites, we had a configuration issue which 
>we're resolving right now. We'll be back on-line in a jiffy.
>
>Thanks,
>John Q.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wikia-l mailing list
>Wikia-l at wikia.com
>http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>  
>


From duncan at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 04:18:13 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:18:13 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Issues
Message-ID: <D2396E14-A47C-49E2-887A-FF26F59F3113@wikia.com>

Folks,

One of our upstream providers had a bit of a service interruption  
again.  I'm getting more information about this.  It's been a bit of  
a bumpy week network-wise.

Matthew


From duncan at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 04:24:50 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:24:50 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Update
Message-ID: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>


Folks,

Our upstream provider said they just had a control module on a router  
switchover to a backup unit.

Matthew


From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 11:14:24 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:14:24 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/14/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki? Special:Listredirects
> is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).

I believe the limit is there for performance reasons and the only way
to get the full list is to download the database and extract a list
from there. Perhaps we could experiment with upping the limit to
something more than 1000, and check it doesn't kill the site. Do you
want the full list as a one-off or is it somthing you regularly need?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 12:48:05 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.

Thanks,
Scott


On 2/16/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/14/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a way to see *all* the redirects on a wiki?
> Special:Listredirects
> > is limited to 1,000 (on Muppet Wiki anyway).
>
> I believe the limit is there for performance reasons and the only way
> to get the full list is to download the database and extract a list
> from there. Perhaps we could experiment with upping the limit to
> something more than 1000, and check it doesn't kill the site. Do you
> want the full list as a one-off or is it somthing you regularly need?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 18:17:47 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:17:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Network Update
In-Reply-To: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>
References: <13FB2276-C4DE-45DD-9947-DDE138F4C87A@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702161017u6da71ab1qd24df14b9c245464@mail.gmail.com>

We seem to be having some network slowness and site downage... don't know if
it's related to last night's problem or not, but thought I'd send a head's
up just in case.

-Scott


On 2/15/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Our upstream provider said they just had a control module on a router
> switchover to a backup unit.
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 16 19:08:42 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:08:42 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] brief site problem...
Message-ID: <45D6013A.40301@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We had a brief problem with the site a little while ago for about 15 
minutes. Everything should be back to normal. Please let us know if you 
continue to see anything out of whack.

Thanks,
John Q.



From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 21:53:20 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:53:20 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/16/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.

I've left you a list at http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Scarecroe/Redirects

Hopefully the toolserver Wikia will be getting later this year will
enable users to run their own queries to create these sorts of lists.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 22:46:10 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:46:10 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702141606k4ee2d5bk87eb40a8f03d22@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702160314i202ea756g6dd412be0366b843@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0702160448h28e33e38t64974f56f76016c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702161353t60ce09fcgbdfcba0ea9fd3f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702161446s75ffed62w7cb22c39e897f1e0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

On 2/16/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/16/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wouldn't regularly need it. Just a one-off for maintenance would do.
>
> I've left you a list at
> http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Scarecroe/Redirects
>
> Hopefully the toolserver Wikia will be getting later this year will
> enable users to run their own queries to create these sorts of lists.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 15:03:39 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
extension?

Special:Imagelist is limited to sorting by name, size and date.

Special:Log/Upload has some search fields, but nothing I've tried has
worked. For example, .ogg, *.ogg, Image:*.ogg, Media:*.ogg

As you can tell, I'm trying to keep track of all the .ogg files that have
been uploaded, but the same could be said if I were looking for all the .gif
or .png files.

Any ideas on how one could do this? Just trying to do some more maintenance.

Thanks in advance,
Scott
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 15:31:32 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:31:32 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/17/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
> extension?

That feature doesn't exist. When we upgrade, we'll get the version
Wikipedia uses - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Imagelist -
which allows sorting by Date, Name, User, Size, and Description. Since
the file type doesn't exist as a field in the database, it isn't
possible to sort by that, unlike the other fields.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 17:25:21 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:25:21 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] File List options
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702170703x63b45effyc7021f2c12c201c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702170731o68c3100bp37bc8b3afdd7867f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702170925o510490acn5d00dbe95fd84065@mail.gmail.com>

I see. Surely there's another way to keep track o such things?

For example, Special:Log/Upload lets you filter results to the user and file
name, but the file name field only works if you know the exact file name. Is
there a wildcard that can be used, such as using *.ogg in Windows?

Or perhaps a bot that I could run myself to run a report on specific search
terms?

-Scott


On 2/17/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/17/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if there's a way to view all uploaded files sorted by
> > extension?
>
> That feature doesn't exist. When we upgrade, we'll get the version
> Wikipedia uses - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Imagelist -
> which allows sorting by Date, Name, User, Size, and Description. Since
> the file type doesn't exist as a field in the database, it isn't
> possible to sort by that, unlike the other fields.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
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From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 12:51:45 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:51:45 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
Message-ID: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>

Wikia is pleased to be sponsoring Wikimania again this year. Wikimania
is the annual international conference of the Wikimedia Foundation and
will be held in Taipei in August.

Although Wikia is not a Wikimedia project, the conference is very
relevant to Wikia users, and we encourage you to attend. You will
learn more about the fun, theory, and practice of wikis and related
free content communities, have a chance to discuss your wiki, meet
other Wikians, meet Wikia staff, and hang out with Jimmy Wales! :) A
special Wikia users group meeting will be held during or just before
Wikimania.

Wikia has a small number of partial scholarships available to Wikia
editors who need support with the costs of travel, accommodation, or
entry fees for Wikimania. Please see
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania for details of how to apply for
this funding.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From bhorst at mac.com  Mon Feb 19 17:40:58 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:40:58 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
Message-ID: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>

Hello Wikia folks,

I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's  
currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I  
have that they can't answer.

In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that  
each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and  
"boston.wikipages.com" etc.

Before I try that, though, I thought I'd inquire: Is it possible to  
host a site like mine on Wikia, but keep my domain name, and possibly  
add subdomains in the future?

Thanks,
Ben


From tibor.szurok at freemail.hu  Mon Feb 19 18:15:05 2007
From: tibor.szurok at freemail.hu (Szurok Tibor)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:15:05 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c75451$e31b4d90$a951e8b0$@szurok@freemail.hu>

Hello Ben,
I have a sullotion but it is not the best. 
I host my dns entries at a 3th party (Zoneedit), the main domain (larp.hu)
is redirected to the wikia page (hu.larp.wikia.com) and you can redirect al
kind of subdomains (like about.larp.hu) to any url
(http://hu.larp.wikia.com/wiki/LSZT). 
But:
It's not the best sollution, because the user can see, that he/she is
redirected, because in the address bar the new url is visible. You can also
hide the redirection, but it use a 0 high frame and it's not the best way in
the 21th century.

regards:
Tibor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf Of Benjamin Horst
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:41 PM
> To: wikia-l at wikia.com
> Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
> 
> Hello Wikia folks,
> 
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
> have that they can't answer.
> 
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
> 
> Before I try that, though, I thought I'd inquire: Is it possible to
> host a site like mine on Wikia, but keep my domain name, and possibly
> add subdomains in the future?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 21 09:43:15 2007
From: florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Florian_K=E4utner?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:43:15 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ben!

2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
>
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.


There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a bouquet
of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.

Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what copyright
or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you but wikia
is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it even can
be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions for this
which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial
use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC
licences).

Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not edited
for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read: adopt)
this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
other places if you like.

For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.

Just my two cents,
Florian
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From bhorst at mac.com  Wed Feb 21 19:20:22 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:20:22 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>

Hi Angela,

How many attendees do you expect for Wikimania 2007? How many attended Wikimania 2006?

Thanks,
Ben

----
OpenOffice and open source blog:
http://www.solidoffice.com/

Wiki business directory:
http://www.wikipages.com/

 
On Monday, February 19, 2007, at 07:48AM, "Angela" <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>Wikia is pleased to be sponsoring Wikimania again this year. Wikimania
>is the annual international conference of the Wikimedia Foundation and
>will be held in Taipei in August.
>
>Although Wikia is not a Wikimedia project, the conference is very
>relevant to Wikia users, and we encourage you to attend. You will
>learn more about the fun, theory, and practice of wikis and related
>free content communities, have a chance to discuss your wiki, meet
>other Wikians, meet Wikia staff, and hang out with Jimmy Wales! :) A
>special Wikia users group meeting will be held during or just before
>Wikimania.
>
>Wikia has a small number of partial scholarships available to Wikia
>editors who need support with the costs of travel, accommodation, or
>entry fees for Wikimania. Please see
>http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania for details of how to apply for
>this funding.
>
>Angela
>
>-- 
>Angela Beesley
>Wikia.com
>_______________________________________________
>Wikia-l mailing list
>Wikia-l at wikia.com
>http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


From beesley at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 19:26:15 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:26:15 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikimania 2007
In-Reply-To: <143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <8b722b800702190451ja2be1cet86bc52fab69ac26c@mail.gmail.com>
	<143B7DC2-0110-1000-F7CF-F7D7603C68C7-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702211126s3566b263t2501a56dea4b1f29@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/21/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
> Hi Angela,
>
> How many attendees do you expect for Wikimania 2007? How many attended Wikimania 2006?

I believe there were around 400 last year and a similar number are
being planned for this year.

Angela


From rsw154 at psu.edu  Thu Feb 22 01:00:39 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Listredirects
Message-ID: <1172106037l.1417280l.0l@psu.edu>


TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > I have a way around this.
> > >
> > > Click on a valuel let's say '500', It'll load a new url that may look like
> > this
> > >
> > >
> >
http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Listredirects&limit=500&offset=0
> > >
> > > Notice the '500' in my URL. Simply change it. To any value. I've used
> > > it to view all 6,000 articles and images on my Wikia, so it can be
> > > done.

Scott Hanson wrote:
> > Thanks, I tried that last night, but I'm still topped off at 1,000.

TwoTailedFox wrote:
> Bug in MediaWiki?

IMHO it is a bug.  See "Forum:Logs stop after 30 days" on the central wikia
(especially the bottom of the page) for further discussion.


cheers,
r.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802



From rsw154 at psu.edu  Thu Feb 22 02:43:26 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Edits on puppet wiki
Message-ID: <1172112204l.798902l.0l@psu.edu>


Jimmy Wales wrote:
> The key to successful wiki 
> culture, to my mind, is precisely having these kinds of interesting 
> varying points of view on how to deal with problem users.



I am moved to add my two cents to this conversation, recalling that Angela's
"Let's have a zero-tolerance politeness rule" post came suspiciously soon after
an arguably snarky policy revision on the Doom Wiki, where I hang out.

Video games, like conventional athletic competitions, tap directly into the
lizard brain instincts of all who play regularly.  The degree to which these
instincts interfere with rational thought, empathy, and constructive collective
behavior cannot be overstated.  A few supremely introspective participants
force themselves to keep the meritocracy in perspective, and attempt to pursue
the philosophical ideals of athletics (teamwork, self-discipline, thinking on
one's feet, civic pride).  The large majority, on the other hand, become
enslaved by their own endorphins and embody somewhat different ideals
(narcissism, territorialism, one-upmanship, religious zealotry).  In
conventional athletics, the latter group can still perform well when controlled
by a militaristic coach, but gamers generally have no coaches, and internet
access is cheap, so each player gets an equal voice.

As a result of this population imbalance, whenever a web page about gaming
reaches a certain size, it bifurcates into a protected area, containing actual
information, and a public area, which is more like the floor of the Chicago
Stock Exchange.  What makes the Doom Wiki unusual is its claim to combine the
two: anyone can participate, yet our goal is an organized "encyclopedia".  I
suppose the limited scope of the project, relative to Wikipedia, may counteract
certain large problems (if a non-bot even bothers to look us up, they're
probably not against the entire concept of Doom), but the fact remains that
with trifling exception, all editors and all readers there are gamers.  Each
time a new vanity article or a new picture of a penis arrives, I can hear the
snarling hordes encamped on the horizon.

On the Doom Wiki, when a new contributor adds content without bothering to read
our formatting or notability guidelines, or to double-check any technical data
against existing secondary sources, the edit is usually corrected or reverted
without explanation (aside from the edit summary).  The aforementioned "puppet
wiki editor" would probably also receive a note on his/her user page, but the
various admins tend to use varying language to describe the appropriation of a
reference work for personal artistic expression.  Out-and-out vandals have been
known to receive permanent bans the first time they show themselves.

I am often told IRL that I am a rather genteel representative of the human
species; if true, I hope that that makes me a relatively benign presence on the
internet at large.  Since joining a gaming project of this magnitude, however,
I have learned from our veteran editors (who between them have taken decades of
abuse on forums and listservs in direct proportion to their own dedication) to
develop a more... balanced view of the average wiki reader.



cheers,
r.


_____________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802




From markdarb at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 04:51:41 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:51:41 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44b952b0702212051x11906e4bx44730b19baa26d19@mail.gmail.com>

I had a look at this particular wiki a few days ago.

At present it is not clearly released under a particular licence. The page
http://www.wikipages.com/index.php/Wikipages.com:About says:
All content distributed on Wikipages is licensed... (Creative Commons
probably, details TBD).

With the wiki not officially licensed under a particular licence, and with
so many contributors, I doubt that Wikia would be prepared to host it.
Permission needs to be obtained from every single contributor before the
work is licensed under a Creative Commons licence or the GFDL. This isn't
really possible, so I can't see Wikipages being ported to Wikia. On the
other hand, perhaps "all content...is licenced...details TBD" is enough to
give the owner of the wiki the right to decide on any licence to release it
under.

Anyway, someone from Wikia will have to comment on this (such as Jimmy or
Angela). I'm just saying all this because so far noone else has!


On 21/02/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> >
> > I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
> >
> > In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> > each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> > "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a
> bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
> sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
> tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
> for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
> created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.
>
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you
> but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it
> even can be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions
> for this which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts
> commercial use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several
> CC licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not
> edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read:
> adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
> http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
> licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
> wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
> currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
> other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
> wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
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From bhorst at mac.com  Thu Feb 22 12:37:59 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702212051x11906e4bx44730b19baa26d19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<44b952b0702212051x11906e4bx44730b19baa26d19@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Mark,

I know all of the contributors, so setting the license should be  
relatively easy. Plus, the majority of the information is purely  
factual, like business names, street addresses and phone numbers,  
which, to my understanding, cannot be copyrighted.

But I have long wondered and been unable to determine whether the  
GFDL or a CC license would be more appropriate for Wikipages. What is  
the Wikia opinion on these license options?

Thanks,
Ben

On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Mark William Darbyshire wrote:

> I had a look at this particular wiki a few days ago.
>
> At present it is not clearly released under a particular licence.  
> The page http://www.wikipages.com/index.php/Wikipages.com:About says:
> All content distributed on Wikipages is licensed... (Creative  
> Commons probably, details TBD).
>
> With the wiki not officially licensed under a particular licence,  
> and with so many contributors, I doubt that Wikia would be prepared  
> to host it. Permission needs to be obtained from every single  
> contributor before the work is licensed under a Creative Commons  
> licence or the GFDL. This isn't really possible, so I can't see  
> Wikipages being ported to Wikia. On the other hand, perhaps "all  
> content...is licenced...details TBD" is enough to give the owner of  
> the wiki the right to decide on any licence to release it under.
>
> Anyway, someone from Wikia will have to comment on this (such as  
> Jimmy or Angela). I'm just saying all this because so far noone  
> else has!
>
>
> On 21/02/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> " boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across  
> a bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is  
> doing it, sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;)  
> True, it's a bit tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you  
> need an external database for authentication, you need a mechanism  
> on user talk pages, wikia just created for itself, ...) but I can  
> start a little investigation if you like.
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what  
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a  
> minor for you but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you  
> release all copyright, it even can be used for commercial  
> products). There are very rare exceptions for this which are on a  
> CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial use of  
> the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC  
> licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:  
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places . This New York Wiki was  
> not edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly  
> takeover" (read: adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this.  
> ( http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect  
> the licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast  
> userbase (all wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting  
> is care free (you are currently running a fairly old 1.6 version),  
> you can link to interwikis of other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and  
> other wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/ 
> About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From bhorst at mac.com  Thu Feb 22 12:44:19 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
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Florian,

Thanks for your suggestions.

I've looked into some of the technical issues with the subdomains,  
and there is documentation about doing it with MediaWiki, but for the  
most part, it's beyond my skill level of server administration (which  
is relatively basic).

I'm somewhat familiar with the different licenses of GFDL and the CC  
gamut, but I don't know the nuances well enough to be sure of which  
one I want... If this list can help me choose one for my content, I  
would be very pleased.

I should also clarify what Wikipages is a bit more. Unlike a city  
wiki that might be a travel guide or complete description of a city,  
Wikipages is a business directory (you could call it a "yellow pages"  
except that term is trademarked). The idea is that it's easy to keep  
it up-to-date rather than rely on a printed book that quickly becomes  
obsolete.

Thanks,
Ben

On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Florian K?utner wrote:

> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across  
> a bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is  
> doing it, sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;)  
> True, it's a bit tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you  
> need an external database for authentication, you need a mechanism  
> on user talk pages, wikia just created for itself, ...) but I can  
> start a little investigation if you like.
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what  
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a  
> minor for you but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you  
> release all copyright, it even can be used for commercial  
> products). There are very rare exceptions for this which are on a  
> CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts commercial use of  
> the content (in fact not automatically, there are several CC  
> licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:  
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was  
> not edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly  
> takeover" (read: adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this.  
> ( http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect  
> the licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast  
> userbase (all wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting  
> is care free (you are currently running a fairly old 1.6 version),  
> you can link to interwikis of other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and  
> other wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/ 
> About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
> _______________________________________________
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 03:49:25 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:49:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>

Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 04:12:30 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:12:30 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
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From jamie at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 04:12:18 2007
From: jamie at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <757d22db0702222012t2c9041ddq7902043ef682f5cd@mail.gmail.com>

Yup.

It definitely does seem like there is a significant slowdown. If past
behaviour is any indication of future events, I am sure it will pass soon
enough; probably related to Wikia's service provider. That would indicate to
me that it may be beyond their control.

>From first hand knowledge, I know that Wikia keeps a constant vigil on
network conditions. With all that said, I don't see a necessity to
constantly spam the central mailing list with these advisories.

Can I suggest instead we either notify Wikia on IRC or discreetly email a
technical representative?

Thanks for your consideration.


Jamie Hari
Marvel Database Project


On 2/22/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.
>
> -Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 04:21:01 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:21:01 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702222021k1224e9eek89d00528b2553bb6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

You guys are on top of things as usual. About 20 minutes after I sent the
message, the site picked up again and I figured my you noticed the spike --
either by your own means or thanks to the email. I'm cautious to hit send
now, as that has usually meant in the past that things get slow again just
after I verify that they're okay :)

Thanks again,
Scott


On 2/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> No planned maintenance. We see the spike and we're looking into it. Looks
> like some slowness for about 10 minutes.
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
>
> Is there maintenance tonight? The site is at a crawl right now.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 04:27:41 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:27:41 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702222021k1224e9eek89d00528b2553bb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702221949n650a0b38gf35e968df6229c4c@mail.gmail.com>	<45DE69AE.1070808@wikia.com>
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From markdarb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 06:06:29 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:06:29 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <72CD70E1-75D5-428D-A6E2-9AF8AB9E55C3@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<5ac482150702210143l4a99a5f1hf1bec171be1633f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<72CD70E1-75D5-428D-A6E2-9AF8AB9E55C3@mac.com>
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If it's going to be hosted on Wikia, I would say that the GFDL would be
preferrable (because that's the licence Wikia almost always uses).

Regardless, the GFDL would probably be better because it's aimed more at
documentation, whereas the various Creative Commons licences are more suited
to creative/artistic works.

The Creative Commons licences aren't all truly copyleft (in fact most of
them aren't). If you wish to have a free/copyleft resource released under a
Creative Commons licence, you should choose the Creative Commons
Attribution-Share Alike License (now just released under version 3). Even
this licence, however, is not considered truly copyleft by organisations
such as the Free Software Foundation (although Wikimedia acknowledges it as
a free licence, and so do I)!

In short, I recommend the GFDL, especially in the event that your wiki gets
moved to Wikia. However, I think some Wikia staff need to comment on the
technicalities and legalities, because they know better than I what will and
won't work and whether or not Wikia would be prepared to host your wiki.

On 23/02/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Florian,
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> I've looked into some of the technical issues with the subdomains, and
> there is documentation about doing it with MediaWiki, but for the most part,
> it's beyond my skill level of server administration (which is relatively
> basic).
>
> I'm somewhat familiar with the different licenses of GFDL and the CC
> gamut, but I don't know the nuances well enough to be sure of which one I
> want... If this list can help me choose one for my content, I would be very
> pleased.
>
> I should also clarify what Wikipages is a bit more. Unlike a city wiki
> that might be a travel guide or complete description of a city, Wikipages is
> a business directory (you could call it a "yellow pages" except that term is
> trademarked). The idea is that it's easy to keep it up-to-date rather than
> rely on a printed book that quickly becomes obsolete.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Florian K?utner wrote:
>
> Hi Ben!
>
> 2007/2/19, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com>:
> >
> > I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com).
> >
> > In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> > each city can have its own, for example, " newyork.wikipages.com" and
> > "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
>
> There are some technical features to host one wiki-userbase across a
> bouquet of sub-domains just like you are planning. See, wikia is doing it,
> sub-domaining is done on wikipedia, why can't you? ;) True, it's a bit
> tricky to have one userbase on several wikis (you need an external database
> for authentication, you need a mechanism on user talk pages, wikia just
> created for itself, ...) but I can start a little investigation if you like.
>
>
> Migrating to wikia will have some major issues: I don't know what
> copyright or licence model you are publishing. That might be a minor for you
> but wikia is hosted on GFDL (it free for all, you release all copyright, it
> even can be used for commercial products). There are very rare exceptions
> for this which are on a CCL (Creative Commons License) which interdicts
> commercial use of the content (in fact not automatically, there are several
> CC licences).
>
> Plus: There are already some wikias dealing with places and cities:
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Places. This New York Wiki was not
> edited for the last 30 days, maybe you want to "friendly takeover" (read:
> adopt) this wiki and migrate your ideas into this. (
> http://newyork.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Although, please respect the
> licence model! Some advantages for you are: You have a vast userbase (all
> wikia users are member of all wikia wikis), hosting is care free (you are
> currently running a fairly old 1.6 version), you can link to interwikis of
> other places if you like.
>
> For more information on migration, you should deal with Angela and other
> wikia staff, you might start at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/About_Wikia.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Florian
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
>
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From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 12:40:46 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
Message-ID: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>

The Community Team would like to announce a new feature enabled globally 
today:

An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via 
Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well 
as breaking them down by namespace. For those who will want to link 
directly to their count on a particular wiki, the page accepts input via 
the url; as an example, my edit count on Central Wikia would be 
http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Editcount&username=Essjay.

We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and 
exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us 
know if there are any problems.

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From lcarsdata at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:17:12 2007
From: lcarsdata at googlemail.com (Robert Leverington)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:17:12 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a possibility of upgrading this to use subpage-style input.
For example [[Specal:Editcount/Lcarsdata]] - this would be much easier
to link to and is already used in some extensions.
Thanks.
Robert.

On 23/02/07, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Community Team would like to announce a new feature enabled globally
> today:
>
> An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> as breaking them down by namespace. For those who will want to link
> directly to their count on a particular wiki, the page accepts input via
> the url; as an example, my edit count on Central Wikia would be
> http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Editcount&username=Essjay.
>
> We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> know if there are any problems.
>
> Ryan
>
> --
> Ryan Jordan
> Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
> www.wikia.com
> Username: Essjay
> essjay.wikia at gmail.com
> www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:21:28 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:21:28 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<8a3c9ee0702230517s419e6546j327a1ea97f2913fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230521i2abdda3ag8167c4552ecab2b3@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Robert Leverington <lcarsdata at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Is there a possibility of upgrading this to use subpage-style input.
> For example [[Special:Editcount/Lcarsdata]] - this would be much easier
> to link to and is already used in some extensions.

That format works too.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:26:58 2007
From: florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Florian_K=E4utner?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:26:58 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ryan,

2007/2/23, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com>:
>
> An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> as breaking them down by namespace.


> We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> know if there are any problems.


Is this feature linked on the special page overview or the sidebar of user
pages? Maybe I did oversee it.

Please switch the style- and colour-management to some css definition or
manage it by WikiMedia system texts. Not all wikis have white backgrounds. (
http://www.memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Spezial:Editcount/Florian_K)

There may be a flaw in calculation, see URL above. I've made 7767 edits,
3000 are in article namespace which is calculated to a ratio of 0.04%. Maybe
there is a mis-interpretation of the point (or comma) to mark thousands.
Keep in mind that this mark differs from country to country.

Regards,
Florian
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From webmaster at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 13:47:33 2007
From: webmaster at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm....
Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie

I know I have done more than 353 edits...
(Great idea for an extension though!)


Jamie
Marvel Database Project

On 2/23/07, Florian K?utner <florian.kaeutner at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Ryan,
>
> 2007/2/23, Ryan Jordan <essjay.wikia at gmail.com>:
> >
> > An extension was enabled giving all wikis access to an edit counter via
> > Special:Editcount. The counter provides a count of total edits, as well
> > as breaking them down by namespace.
>
>
> > We hope that you will all enjoy this new feature, and will find new and
> > exciting ways of utilizing it. As with all new features, please let us
> > know if there are any problems.
>
>
> Is this feature linked on the special page overview or the sidebar of user
> pages? Maybe I did oversee it.
>
> Please switch the style- and colour-management to some css definition or
> manage it by WikiMedia system texts. Not all wikis have white backgrounds. (http://www.memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Spezial:Editcount/Florian_K
> )
>
> There may be a flaw in calculation, see URL above. I've made 7767 edits,
> 3000 are in article namespace which is calculated to a ratio of 0.04% .
> Maybe there is a mis-interpretation of the point (or comma) to mark
> thousands. Keep in mind that this mark differs from country to country.
>
> Regards,
> Florian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 13:59:36 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:59:36 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> Hmm....
> Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
> Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)
>
> http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie
>
> I know I have done more than 353 edits...
> (Great idea for an extension though!)

This might be related to the fact you changed username when
marveldatabase.com moved to Wikia.

Angela


From webmaster at marveldatabase.com  Fri Feb 23 14:41:37 2007
From: webmaster at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:41:37 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>

Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
curious why these below stats are correct then?

http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm

This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.


Jamie.


On 2/23/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> > Hmm....
> > Is this supposed to show edits since a certain date, or alltime?
> > Mine is off by tens of thousands of edits or so. ;)
> >
> > http://www.marveldatabase.com/Special:Editcount/Jamie
> >
> > I know I have done more than 353 edits...
> > (Great idea for an extension though!)
>
> This might be related to the fact you changed username when
> marveldatabase.com moved to Wikia.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 14:49:49 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:49:49 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DEE0CE.8060002@gmail.com>
	<5ac482150702230526j22b2bef1k63ef427511e269bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230547m31ed1b04v641193406ae05fc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702230559u631a29e6s187efce39b0a0367@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b50af570702230641t4ac5f535wbdaf2c91bbd5872@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
> curious why these below stats are correct then?
>
> http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm
>
> This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.

Special:Editcount counts by user_id. I expect the wikistats (which
shouldn't be relied on) count by username, not ID. That might account
for the difference, but I'm not completely sure.

Have any other wikis which started off-wikia noticed a problem like this?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:18:03 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <45DE6D3D.2020104@wikia.com>
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On 2/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>
> Fortunately, these days when our phones ring it's a surprising event...
> last summer, not so much. :)
>

I'll raise my glass to that! Downtime has been reduced greatly since last
year :)

-S
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:25:00 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702230649o5bd84443k7201bab8a4763ec8@mail.gmail.com>
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Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet Wiki
for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
Special:Editcount?

-S


On 2/23/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/23/07, Jamie Hari <webmaster at marveldatabase.com> wrote:
> > Definitely makes sense that it could be 'since we switched', but I am
> > curious why these below stats are correct then?
> >
> > http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaENMARVELDATABASE.htm
> >
> > This page correctly puts me at about 14,000 edits for the MDP.
>
> Special:Editcount counts by user_id. I expect the wikistats (which
> shouldn't be relied on) count by username, not ID. That might account
> for the difference, but I'm not completely sure.
>
> Have any other wikis which started off-wikia noticed a problem like this?
>
> Angela
>
> --
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> Wikia.com
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From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 17:06:07 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:06:07 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702230825r5b765cccye72958b0c35f2e81@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/23/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet Wiki
> for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
> Special:Editcount?

It's possible it's only the overall stats that are out since the
muppet ones look ok to me. Michael Davis might be able to tell you
more.

Wikipedia has the same problem and actually disabled them completely
last October. We are trying to find an alternative, perhaps via Google
analytics which could provide reliable stats as well as referrer data.

Angela


From mdavis at wikia.com  Fri Feb 23 17:43:26 2007
From: mdavis at wikia.com (Michael Davis)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] New Feature - Edit Counter Enabled
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Angela wrote:
> On 2/23/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why shouldn't wikistats be relied on? We've been using them on Muppet 
>> Wiki
>> for some time now. Are the numbers going to be different than
>> Special:Editcount?
>
> It's possible it's only the overall stats that are out since the
> muppet ones look ok to me. Michael Davis might be able to tell you
> more.
>
> Wikipedia has the same problem and actually disabled them completely
> last October. We are trying to find an alternative, perhaps via Google
> analytics which could provide reliable stats as well as referrer data.
>
> Angela
>
I'm aware of an error in the article count stats for at least one wiki 
where the article count fluctuates from day to day between 5 (just five) 
and 3,000.   I don't know the cause of the error or what other data or 
wikis might be affected by the problem.  I'm suspicious of all the 
wikistat data but if the data looks about right for a particular wiki 
then it is probably is correct.

We are working on  a way to provide daily pageviews, visitor count, and 
referral information for each wiki.


Michael 
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From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 19:51:09 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:51:09 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
Message-ID: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>

I got an email from a user of the Efrat Wiki saying that they couldn't
get into any of the Wiki content, since every link led to edit main
page.

I couldn't figure out what was going on, so I asked her to call me.

After walking her through a few scenarios, we came up with the problem.

When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.

The problem doesn't appear on single click.  The problem doesn't
appear on Firefox.  It does appear on other Wikis that use the old
fashion skin (I recreated it on the Toronto Wiki).  It doesn't appear
on Torvid, which doesn't use the old fashion skin.

This is the kind of problem that most of us web savvy people will
never encounter (we know when to single click and when to double
click), but will occur a lot with newbees.
-- 
David Fink


From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:15:41 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:41 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> instead of going to the link.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:26:29 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:26:29 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>

1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.
2. Please please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy
users don't understand the nuances of when to single click and when to
double click.  It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away
without complaining.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> > instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
David Fink


From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:29:25 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:29:25 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702241229l6e77182en1667e426c462f2fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.

I just tried it on Firefox 2.0 and it seems to work for me. You need
to be a new user or logged out. Existed users won't have their
preferences changed so you need to enable it yourself if you want to
use it.

Angela


From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:31:58 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:31:58 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c75852$d59b8450$6500a8c0@SWR>

I recently noticed this function as well, and I'd prefer it be disabled by 
default. I'm a little click-happy in general, and I've found myself 
accidentally going to the edit page from time to time. This function also 
prevents double clicking to select a single word.  I would expect that 
people who get to the Edit page by this means are probably more confused 
than anything else.

So far as encouraging editing goes, I think that the Edit link (and the 
various section links) are prominent enough. If someone doesn't know to 
click on the edit link (or maybe feel comfortable enough to do so), they may 
not want to be thrown unexpectantly into an edit page.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angela" <beesley at gmail.com>
To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
>> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
>> instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> -- 
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l 



From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:32:10 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:32:10 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702241229l6e77182en1667e426c462f2fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241229l6e77182en1667e426c462f2fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10e892f40702241232v6cbb9256kb3035d71ecf63d1b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using Firefox 1.5, I'm logged out, and it's not working.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox.
>
> I just tried it on Firefox 2.0 and it seems to work for me. You need
> to be a new user or logged out. Existed users won't have their
> preferences changed so you need to enable it yourself if you want to
> use it.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
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> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
David Fink


From bkaufmann at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:40:16 2007
From: bkaufmann at gmail.com (Bill Kaufmann)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:40:16 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>

The problem is that Non-savvy users also don't know that 1) editing is
possible and 2) how to edit.
This could be one way (of many) to point them to do so. 
Perhaps a statement on each page "double click anywhere on this page to edit
it" would help.

Double clicking works for me in FF 2.0.

Thanks,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On Behalf
Of David Fink
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:26 PM
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox. 2. Please
please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy users don't
understand the nuances of when to single click and when to double click.
It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away without complaining.

On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page 
> > instead of going to the link.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but 
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier 
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click 
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled 
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences - 
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the 
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


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From markdarb at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 20:44:53 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:44:53 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>
References: <10e892f40702241226k10630713taa5e30fa688c4996@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01c75854$0087deb0$0600a8c0@LittleDog>
Message-ID: <44b952b0702241244w6cce8c8btae3c89b8107b383f@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know about this feature. I'll use it in all MediaWiki sites I
contribute to from now on! However I think it should be disabled by default
to avoid confusion (although the feature should be prominently mentioned in
the editing help pages).

On 25/02/07, Bill Kaufmann <bkaufmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The problem is that Non-savvy users also don't know that 1) editing is
> possible and 2) how to edit.
> This could be one way (of many) to point them to do so.
> Perhaps a statement on each page "double click anywhere on this page to
> edit
> it" would help.
>
> Double clicking works for me in FF 2.0.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
> Behalf
> Of David Fink
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> 1. If it's a feature, it's got a bug; it doesn't work on Firefox. 2.
> Please
> please please don't make it a default for anyone.  Non-savvy users don't
> understand the nuances of when to single click and when to double click.
> It's just frustrating for them, and most will walk away without
> complaining.
>
> On 2/24/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> > > instead of going to the link.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> > one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
> >
> > The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> > to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> > to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
> >
> > This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> > or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> > look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> > preferences.
> >
> > We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> > 1) on by default for everyone
> > 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> > 3) always off by default
> > 4) something else?
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > --
> > Angela Beesley
> > Wikia.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
>
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shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall
take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt
them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." -Mark
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From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:06:11 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:08:47 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 00:11:31 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:11:31 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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On 2/25/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>  Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does
> the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other
> than just "turn it off" :) :)

How about a message the first time someone sees it?

"You have double clicked this page which will lead you to an editing
screen. Choose Cancel to disable this feature or OK to continue".

For unregistered users, their preference could be stored in a cookie
rather than in their preferences. For logged in users, this would
actually change their [[Special:Preferences]].

Angela


From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 00:37:49 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:37:49 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me to the edit page. 

Scott


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Q. 
  To: Central Wikia Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


  Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other than just "turn it off" :) :)
  Thanks,
  Q.


  Angela wrote: 
On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
  When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.
    
Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela

  

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From davidwfink at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 03:41:51 2007
From: davidwfink at gmail.com (David Fink)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:41:51 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702241611u5cfeb0c1v1d0a51cb1f20a5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
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> How about a message the first time someone sees it?
>
> "You have double clicked this page which will lead you to an editing
> screen. Choose Cancel to disable this feature or OK to continue".

Newbies expect links to lead to pages.  That's what the web does.
Anything other than that will confuse them.

I think I figured out the issue with Firefox 1.5, and it may provide a
solution.  In FF1.5, if you double click on a link, it takes you to
the link.  If you double click on anything else, you get the edit
page.

Can we get that behavior on the other browsers?

David


From johnq at wikia.com  Sun Feb 25 06:40:01 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:40:01 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
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From coffeewiki at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 16:14:40 2007
From: coffeewiki at gmail.com (ScottW)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<45E0D2F3.7080305@wikia.com><002301c75875$305b5ba0$6500a8c0@SWR>
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So double-clicking on text to go to the edit screen will remain? That's 
actually the behavior that I dislike most.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Q.
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


Hi Scott,

Yes, the extension adds the ability to double click on a section and it 
edits that section. The problem with the double-click is that, as David 
pointed out, many people double click on links... which then doesn't go to 
the link but edits the page. So, yes, we'll look into making this "do the 
right thing" as soon as possible.

Thanks,
Q.


ScottW wrote:
Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that 
I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me to 
the edit page.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Q.
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page


Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does 
the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other 
than just "turn it off" :) :)
Thanks,
Q.


Angela wrote:
On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:

When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
instead of going to the link.


Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)

The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.

This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
preferences.

We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
1) on by default for everyone
2) on by default only for logged-in users
3) always off by default
4) something else?

What do you think?

Angela




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From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 22:52:26 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Phillip Friedrich)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:52:26 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Editcount and Article Counter
Message-ID: <af548eb10702251452l3fbb0b4g26c7bdd3df90fbb1@mail.gmail.com>

I really am enjoying the new edit counter. It updates automatically which is
really nice, In my view it was a great addition to every wikia. One thing i
noticed on my wikia that the Number of Articles takes a few minutes to
update. Has wikia thought about making it instantly also?, if so when might
something like this happen?

Muppets101
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 23:01:32 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:01:32 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Special:Editcount and Article Counter
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Whenever I want to get an up-to-date Article Count, I add
"?action=purge" to the Main {ahe URL.

On 2/25/07, Phillip Friedrich <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> I really am enjoying the new edit counter. It updates automatically which is
> really nice, In my view it was a great addition to every wikia. One thing i
> noticed on my wikia that the Number of Articles takes a few minutes to
> update. Has wikia thought about making it instantly also?, if so when might
> something like this happen?
>
> Muppets101
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 23:55:07 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:07 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/19/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
> Hello Wikia folks,
>
> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
> have that they can't answer.
>
> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.

Hi Ben,

Sorry for not responding to this sooner. I was trying to find out what
the situation was with a similar project Wikia is hosting -
yellowikis.org - since that overlaps with your proposal.

We are trying to keep all Wikia on the Wikia.com domain as much as
possible. In cases where there is a large existing community, we do
make exceptions, but that prevents single-login to all sites and makes
it harder to track page view stats across all wikis. So, I would say
that we are happy to host wikipages for you, and to create subdomains
for different languages or directories for different locations, but
that this would be on wikia.com. Perhaps listings.wikia.com or
similar.

To be consistent with most other Wikia and Wikimedia sites, we would
like for all new wikis to release their content under the GFDL.

Would you be happy with that and to redirect wikipages.com there
instead of keeping the content on your current domain?

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From bhorst at mac.com  Mon Feb 26 03:49:05 2007
From: bhorst at mac.com (Benjamin Horst)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>

Hi Angela,

I do know of yellowikis.org, but haven't taken a look in a while. I'm  
glad that we don't overlap too much with what they are doing.

I'm pretty sure I will license Wikipages under GFDL soon. There's a  
new version about to be released, from what I read on Wikipedia, that  
will deal with some of the problems the current version has. Will  
Wikia use this version?  (As for CC licenses, the only one I've used  
in the past is BY-SA, the others don't really appeal to me.)

I'm pretty set on keeping the site at the Wikipages.com domain now,  
but I am very tempted... something like "pages.wikia.com" might work  
very well. I'll keep thinking about it, and thank you for the offer.

-Ben

On Feb 25, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Angela wrote:

> On 2/19/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:
>> Hello Wikia folks,
>>
>> I run a MediaWiki website called Wikipages (www.wikipages.com). It's
>> currently hosted by a great company, but there are some questions I
>> have that they can't answer.
>>
>> In particular, I'd like to set up my wiki using subdomains so that
>> each city can have its own, for example, "newyork.wikipages.com" and
>> "boston.wikipages.com" etc.
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> Sorry for not responding to this sooner. I was trying to find out what
> the situation was with a similar project Wikia is hosting -
> yellowikis.org - since that overlaps with your proposal.
>
> We are trying to keep all Wikia on the Wikia.com domain as much as
> possible. In cases where there is a large existing community, we do
> make exceptions, but that prevents single-login to all sites and makes
> it harder to track page view stats across all wikis. So, I would say
> that we are happy to host wikipages for you, and to create subdomains
> for different languages or directories for different locations, but
> that this would be on wikia.com. Perhaps listings.wikia.com or
> similar.
>
> To be consistent with most other Wikia and Wikimedia sites, we would
> like for all new wikis to release their content under the GFDL.
>
> Would you be happy with that and to redirect wikipages.com there
> instead of keeping the content on your current domain?
>
> Angela
>
> -- 
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 05:57:00 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com><8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
	<50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV85015D25388F437F65AB0A5830@phx.gbl>

> I'm pretty set on keeping the site at the Wikipages.com domain now,
> but I am very tempted... something like "pages.wikia.com" might work
> very well. I'll keep thinking about it, and thank you for the offer.

I would note that transferring to the Wikia domain would be easier if there 
was still the possibility of using a . . . well, *better* domain name to 
refer to the site in advertising and promotion.

What we have wanted to do at WikiFur for some time now is to have 
"http://furry.wikia.com/wiki" redirect to "http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/" 
rather than giving a 404. This will allow us to make our domain 
"wikifur.com" into a redirect to "http://furry.wikia.com/wiki" and so we 
will be able to use "wikifur.com/articlename" as an alias for 
"http://furry.wikia.com/articlename", without having to worry that 
"wikifur.com" (the bare URL) will not work.

I appreciate that Wikia would like their domain name to be prominent. 
However, communities like the idea of having their own websites, and it is 
easier to rally people around a second-level domain name than it is a third. 
:-)

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?"
 



From markdarb at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 06:29:15 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:29:15 +1200
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <002e01c758f8$0e37f370$6500a8c0@SWR>
References: <10e892f40702241151r34a18551jb8195b185a7d6686@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800702241215g534c179dm78ad54077f8f9a1e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <44b952b0702252229wb8924dfm1407f1cb6a4f67bc@mail.gmail.com>

I see no harm in completely disabling double click editing so that people
have to explicitly change that setting in their preferences if they want to
be able to double click to edit. The majority of people who would like that
feature wouldn't have any trouble enabling it. People who are unaware of it
(such as I was until this thread) probably aren't going to accidentally
discover the feature and decide to use it (I know I didn't, but it sounds
useful) - so there's no point in having it enabled by default, because the
only people who will use it know how to enable it.

On 26/02/07, ScottW <coffeewiki at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So double-clicking on text to go to the edit screen will remain? That's
> actually the behavior that I dislike most.
>
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Q.
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Yes, the extension adds the ability to double click on a section and it
> edits that section. The problem with the double-click is that, as David
> pointed out, many people double click on links... which then doesn't go to
> the link but edits the page. So, yes, we'll look into making this "do the
> right thing" as soon as possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Q.
>
>
> ScottW wrote:
> Oh, I actually misread the issue the first time through. The behavior that
> I'm seeing is that when I double-click on any text on a page, it takes me
> to
> the edit page.
>
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Q.
> To: Central Wikia Mailing List
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
>
>
> Let me ask Emil if we can modify this so that double clicking a link does
> the right thing... again, I think there's a way forward here maybe other
> than just "turn it off" :) :)
> Thanks,
> Q.
>
>
> Angela wrote:
> On 2/24/07, David Fink <davidwfink at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When using IE6, if you double click on a link, you get the edit page
> instead of going to the link.
>
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. It's actually a feature, not a bug, but
> one that we'd forgotten to point out. :)
>
> The idea (and please tell us if it's a bad one) is that it is easier
> to get involved with editing a wiki if you only need to double click
> to edit instead of having to search around for the [edit] link.
>
> This has always been an option for registered users and can be enabled
> or disabled at http://en.efrat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
> look for "Edit pages on double click" in the editing section of the
> preferences.
>
> We would appreciate feedback on whether this ought to be:
> 1) on by default for everyone
> 2) on by default only for logged-in users
> 3) always off by default
> 4) something else?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Angela
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 17:35:04 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:35:04 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Hosting with Wikia using my own domain?
In-Reply-To: <50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
References: <84E0F57B-B5CA-488A-BB6D-5E670E4071EB@mac.com>
	<8b722b800702251555g76560f71md31d8230dc9dfacf@mail.gmail.com>
	<50DE825B-AC5C-41C2-9A79-30B08817ECCD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800702260935m176e22e9m9864d495abc8aff9@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/26/07, Benjamin Horst <bhorst at mac.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I will license Wikipages under GFDL soon. There's a
> new version about to be released

There was discussion of a new version, but there's no guarantee of if
or when that will be completed since even the draft has not yet been
released.

Let me know when you're ready to move and I can set up pages.wikia.com for you.

Angela

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Wikia.com


From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Feb 26 20:18:00 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:18:00 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IE6 - Double click edits the page
In-Reply-To: <44b952b0702252229wb8924dfm1407f1cb6a4f67bc@mail.gmail.com>
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From afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp  Wed Feb 28 12:49:54 2007
From: afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp (Afker Aih)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:49:54 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Wikia-l] To admins of gaming-related wikias: you can easily help
	promote gameinfo
Message-ID: <20070228124954.76012.qmail@web3712.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>

If you are willing to, you can easily add links in the
navigation side bar for gameinfo.  Here is how you do it:

1. Edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
2. Add the following line to the bottom:
** gameinfo:|Gameinfo Wikia
3. Uncheck "minor edit" box (making the edit minor may
prevent it affecting the interface)
4. Flush your browser cache.

Also, we can all help promote each other by providing a
link in the navigation side bar for the gaming category on
central:
** w:Category:Gaming |Other gaming wikias

Cheers!

-Afker


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From robs at mainspring.co.za  Sat Feb  3 19:05:50 2007
From: robs at mainspring.co.za (Rob Smorfitt )
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:05:50 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
Message-ID: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>

 

Hi everyone

 

A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever reasons,
in small and medium business (SME?s)

 

We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism welcome,
as well as tips

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

Rob Smorfitt

MainSpring - driving business development

http://main-spring.blogspot.com

 

 

+27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)

+27 33 342 8870 (Never there)

+27 33 342 0246 (Fax)

 


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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 19:33:34 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:33:34 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
In-Reply-To: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>
References: <005301c747c6$52ca39f0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>
Message-ID: <801553ab0702031133s34b69a4eldb2f10f5fa6586b8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rob,

What's the URL?

Chad

On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME's)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
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From robs at mainspring.co.za  Sat Feb  3 19:40:21 2007
From: robs at mainspring.co.za (Rob Smorfitt )
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:40:21 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0702031133s34b69a4eldb2f10f5fa6586b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006701c747cb$2bcdf6c0$4001a8c0@cradungroup.co.za>

Hi Chad

http://sme.wikia.com 

Rob Smorfitt
MainSpring - driving business development
www.mainspring.co.za 

+27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
+27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
+27 33 342 0246 (Fax)


-----Original Message-----
From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On Behalf
Of Chad Lupkes
Sent: 03 February 2007 21:34
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] A new Wiki

Hi Rob,

What's the URL?

Chad

On 2/3/07, Rob Smorfitt <robs at mainspring.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> A new Wiki has been established for anyone interested, for whatever
reasons,
> in small and medium business (SME's)
>
>
>
> We are just getting going so constructive uggestions and criticism
welcome,
> as well as tips
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Smorfitt
>
> MainSpring - driving business development
>
> http://main-spring.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> +27 82 499 7400 (Best hope of getting me)
>
> +27 33 342 8870 (Never there)
>
> +27 33 342 0246 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
> --
>  No virus found in this outgoing message.
>  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>  Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date:
2007/02/01
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 18:35:14 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:35:14 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>

Search feature seems to be broken again. Instances of "hillier" and
"santiero" should be showing up on Muppet Wiki, but they aren't.

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Feb  5 18:43:59 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:43:59 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] search broken again
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0702051035h6d37f8cak7beb98776ff04d4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45C77AEF.7020908@wikia.com>

Ok, thanks Scott. We'll take a look as soon as we can.
Q.


Scott Hanson w