From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Jan  3 10:18:51 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:18:51 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] test (please ignore)
Message-ID: <459B830B.2070704@wikia.com>

we're doing some maintenance... testing the lists... please ignore.


From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 14:04:53 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 14:04:53 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia's community team welcomes Essjay
Message-ID: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>

I am very pleased to let you know that Ryan Jordan (known as
User:Essjay) will be joining Wikia's Community Team next week.

Ryan has been involved with Wikipedia since February 2005. He is an
Administrator, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight & Boardvote on the
English Wikipedia, and an admin on Wikimedia's Meta wiki, Wikimedia
Commons,and Wikiquote. He has experience in running a number of
different bots on the English Wikipedia and is chairman of Wikipedia's
Mediation Committee.

http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From essjaywiki at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 14:19:38 2007
From: essjaywiki at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:19:38 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia's community team welcomes Essjay
In-Reply-To: <459FAEBD.5070603@gmail.com>
References: <459FAEBD.5070603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <459FAFFA.8060301@gmail.com>

Angela wrote:
>
> I am very pleased to let you know that Ryan Jordan (known as
> User:Essjay) will be joining Wikia's Community Team next week.
>
> Ryan has been involved with Wikipedia since February 2005. He is an
> Administrator, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight & Boardvote on the
> English Wikipedia, and an admin on Wikimedia's Meta wiki, Wikimedia
> Commons,and Wikiquote. He has experience in running a number of
> different bots on the English Wikipedia and is chairman of Wikipedia's
> Mediation Committee.
>
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team
>
> Angela
>
> -- 
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>   
Thank you, Angela, I'm very pleased to be joining the Wikia team, and I 
look forward to working with everyone!

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 14:44:53 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 09:44:53 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia's community team welcomes Essjay
In-Reply-To: <459FAFFA.8060301@gmail.com>
References: <459FAEBD.5070603@gmail.com> <459FAFFA.8060301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701060644q1a0eb794ib9d9f21929f16293@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome, Ryan!

-Scott


On 1/6/07, Ryan Jordan <essjaywiki at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Angela wrote:
> >
> > I am very pleased to let you know that Ryan Jordan (known as
> > User:Essjay) will be joining Wikia's Community Team next week.
> >
> > Ryan has been involved with Wikipedia since February 2005. He is an
> > Administrator, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight & Boardvote on the
> > English Wikipedia, and an admin on Wikimedia's Meta wiki, Wikimedia
> > Commons,and Wikiquote. He has experience in running a number of
> > different bots on the English Wikipedia and is chairman of Wikipedia's
> > Mediation Committee.
> >
> > http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > --
> > Angela Beesley
> > Wikia.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
> Thank you, Angela, I'm very pleased to be joining the Wikia team, and I
> look forward to working with everyone!
>
> --
> Ryan Jordan
> Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
> www.wikia.com
> Username: Essjay
> essjay.wikia at gmail.com
> www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Sat Jan  6 19:59:25 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:59:25 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia's community team welcomes Essjay
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <459FFF9D.70400@wikia.com>

Nice ! Welcome Essjay!
John Q.


Angela wrote:

> I am very pleased to let you know that Ryan Jordan (known as
> User:Essjay) will be joining Wikia's Community Team next week.
>
> Ryan has been involved with Wikipedia since February 2005. He is an
> Administrator, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight & Boardvote on the
> English Wikipedia, and an admin on Wikimedia's Meta wiki, Wikimedia
> Commons,and Wikiquote. He has experience in running a number of
> different bots on the English Wikipedia and is chairman of Wikipedia's
> Mediation Committee.
>
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team
>
> Angela
>


From duncan at wikia.com  Sat Jan  6 21:56:48 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:56:48 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia's community team welcomes Essjay
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E942FC5-1F20-4E55-B424-546BACFAC6F6@wikia.com>


Welcome Essjay!

Matt
On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:04 AM, Angela wrote:

> I am very pleased to let you know that Ryan Jordan (known as
> User:Essjay) will be joining Wikia's Community Team next week.
>
> Ryan has been involved with Wikipedia since February 2005. He is an
> Administrator, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight & Boardvote on the
> English Wikipedia, and an admin on Wikimedia's Meta wiki, Wikimedia
> Commons,and Wikiquote. He has experience in running a number of
> different bots on the English Wikipedia and is chairman of Wikipedia's
> Mediation Committee.
>
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team
>
> Angela
>
> -- 
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>



From dimitar.tsonev at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 22:09:11 2007
From: dimitar.tsonev at gmail.com (Dimitar Tsonev)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 00:09:11 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia's community team welcomes Essjay
In-Reply-To: <2E942FC5-1F20-4E55-B424-546BACFAC6F6@wikia.com>
References: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E942FC5-1F20-4E55-B424-546BACFAC6F6@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <9dd9628a0701061409t2c87d739odd8f9caa4ccb5f42@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome Essjay!

DCLXVI

On 1/6/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>
> Welcome Essjay!
>
> Matt
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:04 AM, Angela wrote:
>
> > I am very pleased to let you know that Ryan Jordan (known as
> > User:Essjay) will be joining Wikia's Community Team next week.
> >
> > Ryan has been involved with Wikipedia since February 2005. He is an
> > Administrator, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight & Boardvote on the
> > English Wikipedia, and an admin on Wikimedia's Meta wiki, Wikimedia
> > Commons,and Wikiquote. He has experience in running a number of
> > different bots on the English Wikipedia and is chairman of Wikipedia's
> > Mediation Committee.
> >
> > http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > --
> > Angela Beesley
> > Wikia.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 23:05:26 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:05:26 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] cache
In-Reply-To: <757d22db0612081156w7a58f4f9j9767ff3cd590e12f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <801553ab0612071322i7608c5dg6058f89bab3c4c4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4578AD46.2090609@wikia.com>
	<757d22db0612081156w7a58f4f9j9767ff3cd590e12f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800701061505w27b4ac62gcb36a4535ac38aef@mail.gmail.com>

> We have something similar although not nearly as old:
> The following data is cached, and was last updated 19:18, 30 November 2006.
> For what time interval are the caches set to expire, 7 days?

I'm sorry your post was delayed. It had got caught up with 100s of
spam messages to the list and was held for moderation since you
weren't subscribed at the time.

The special cache ought to be updating every day now. It seems to be
working on the wikis I checked.

Angela


From Robin.Patterson at thomson.com  Mon Jan  8 00:05:56 2007
From: Robin.Patterson at thomson.com (Robin.Patterson at thomson.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:05:56 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] cache; and advice to unsubscribed people
Message-ID: <19E6234A7BDFE54583B83BBF5E604FB688BA22@TLRNZWLGMBX01.ERF.THOMSON.COM>

I guess that may be related to the fact that my home address (which
wasn't functioning between April and ten days ago) has received (in the
last 24 hours) a notice starting 
"Your membership in the mailing list MediaWiki-l has been disabled due
to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
18-Apr-2006.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 2 more reminders like
this before your membership in the list is deleted."

I wonder whether (in view of the 8-month interval) that message was the
original or one of the reminders. If the latter,  it should not say "You
will receive 2 more reminders ..."; maybe a matter for attention next
time the drafters revise the message or the system.

(When I get properly organised at home, I may resubscribe from there,
but I won't expect the link in the notice to work.)



Robin Patterson
Proofreader and Chief Warden
Brookers Ltd 

-----Original Message-----
From: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com [mailto:wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com] On
Behalf Of Angela
Sent: Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:05
To: Central Wikia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] cache

> We have something similar although not nearly as old:
> The following data is cached, and was last updated 19:18, 30 November
2006.
> For what time interval are the caches set to expire, 7 days?

I'm sorry your post was delayed. It had got caught up with 100s of
spam messages to the list and was held for moderation since you
weren't subscribed at the time.

The special cache ought to be updating every day now. It seems to be
working on the wikis I checked.

Angela
_______________________________________________
Wikia-l mailing list
Wikia-l at wikia.com
http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l


From wikimagine at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 14:31:44 2007
From: wikimagine at gmail.com (pocket yellow)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 22:31:44 +0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia's community team welcomes Essjay
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d6c1170e0701090631h291b6141t55cd7a8964c8ab44@mail.gmail.com>

WELCOME !

2007/1/6, Angela <beesley at gmail.com>:
>
> I am very pleased to let you know that Ryan Jordan (known as
> User:Essjay) will be joining Wikia's Community Team next week.
>
> Ryan has been involved with Wikipedia since February 2005. He is an
> Administrator, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight & Boardvote on the
> English Wikipedia, and an admin on Wikimedia's Meta wiki, Wikimedia
> Commons,and Wikiquote. He has experience in running a number of
> different bots on the English Wikipedia and is chairman of Wikipedia's
> Mediation Committee.
>
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>



-- 
http://imagine.wealink.com/
QQ?553826221
MSN?wiki at live.it
???13186166869
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From kaurjmeb at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 14:42:07 2007
From: kaurjmeb at gmail.com (KJ)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 22:42:07 +0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia's community team welcomes Essjay
In-Reply-To: <d6c1170e0701090631h291b6141t55cd7a8964c8ab44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701060604oca1f027oaab8a445c81be73c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d6c1170e0701090631h291b6141t55cd7a8964c8ab44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa2ef4440701090642g2cb797fibb109bf258f3632d@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome to join Wikia!

2007/1/9, pocket yellow <wikimagine at gmail.com>:
>
> WELCOME !
>
> 2007/1/6, Angela <beesley at gmail.com>:
> >
> > I am very pleased to let you know that Ryan Jordan (known as
> > User:Essjay) will be joining Wikia's Community Team next week.
> >
> > Ryan has been involved with Wikipedia since February 2005. He is an
> > Administrator, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight & Boardvote on the
> > English Wikipedia, and an admin on Wikimedia's Meta wiki, Wikimedia
> > Commons,and Wikiquote. He has experience in running a number of
> > different bots on the English Wikipedia and is chairman of Wikipedia's
> > Mediation Committee.
> >
> > http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > --
> > Angela Beesley
> > Wikia.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://imagine.wealink.com/
> QQ??553826221
> MSN??wiki at live.it
> ??????13186166869
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
>


-- 
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Wikia ???Mwiki????:http://www.wikia.com/wiki/%E9%A6%96%E9%A0%81
?????S????????http://zh.wikipedia.org
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 17:34:41 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:34:41 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] new search
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701090934s7d3b6212jac88434652d71bd7@mail.gmail.com>

Is the Lucene search gone for good, or is the current Google replacement
just temporary?

While I understand that the Google search maintains itself meaning that the
tech team doesn't have nearly as much work to do for it, the Google search
is inferior and doesn't allow for the preference modifications that Lucene
does. No longer can I separate article title matches and page text matches
or search in specific namespaces.

Additionally, it doubles the amount of advertisements. Ads by Google appear
on the right column of every page on Wikia as we all well know, but the
Google search results have yet another box of ads sitting right next to the
familiar column.

Would it be possible to combine the Lucene and Google searches rather than
having this downgrade?

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Tue Jan  9 19:19:43 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:19:43 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] new search
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0701090934s7d3b6212jac88434652d71bd7@mail.gmail.com>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 22:20:59 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:20:59 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] new search
In-Reply-To: <45A3EACF.2000209@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701090934s7d3b6212jac88434652d71bd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A3EACF.2000209@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701091420m6e97a3fbj4060c2df35cf264c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, John. Do you have any idea when that will take place?

-S


On 1/9/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> We're going to put in the ability to choose Lucene in your preferences for
> the first two tab results (this wiki and all Wikia). Until there is a better
> solution for the other two tabs, we'll use Google. :)
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
>
>  Is the Lucene search gone for good, or is the current Google replacement
> just temporary?
>
> While I understand that the Google search maintains itself meaning that
> the tech team doesn't have nearly as much work to do for it, the Google
> search is inferior and doesn't allow for the preference modifications that
> Lucene does. No longer can I separate article title matches and page text
> matches or search in specific namespaces.
>
> Additionally, it doubles the amount of advertisements. Ads by Google
> appear on the right column of every page on Wikia as we all well know, but
> the Google search results have yet another box of ads sitting right next to
> the familiar column.
>
> Would it be possible to combine the Lucene and Google searches rather than
> having this downgrade?
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 00:35:12 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] new search
In-Reply-To: <45A3EACF.2000209@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701090934s7d3b6212jac88434652d71bd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A3EACF.2000209@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10701091635w64c3f755ja7dd16ae777ce3c2@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, yeah. I've been very unhappy with the broken search feature, but you've
actually made it worse.

It takes a while for Google to add new pages, so basically this means that I
can't search for text that I added yesterday. This is a significant step
backwards.

John, when you say that you're going to make it possible to choose Lucene in
the preferences, does that mean that every new reader is going to be set at
the Google search as a default? Is it possible as an alternative to just
make the Lucene work properly?

Full-text search is kind of the backbone of a site like this. I don't want
to be overdramatic, but I think without an effective search feature, the
site will suffer tremendously.


-- Danny
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 00:53:20 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:53:20 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] new search
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10701091635w64c3f755ja7dd16ae777ce3c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701090934s7d3b6212jac88434652d71bd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A3EACF.2000209@wikia.com>
	<e61da0d10701091635w64c3f755ja7dd16ae777ce3c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10701091653rce6dba0t19c5499ed34b1b61@mail.gmail.com>

PS. I also don't think Google indexes talk pages. That's another feature
that we lose with the new search.


-- Danny
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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Jan 10 00:53:47 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:53:47 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] new search
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10701091635w64c3f755ja7dd16ae777ce3c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701090934s7d3b6212jac88434652d71bd7@mail.gmail.com>	<45A3EACF.2000209@wikia.com>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Jan 10 00:59:50 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:59:50 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] new search
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10701091653rce6dba0t19c5499ed34b1b61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701090934s7d3b6212jac88434652d71bd7@mail.gmail.com>	<45A3EACF.2000209@wikia.com>	<e61da0d10701091635w64c3f755ja7dd16ae777ce3c2@mail.gmail.com>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Jan 10 01:01:14 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:01:14 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] new search
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:45:44 -0800
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 15:31:09 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:31:09 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Moving article error
Message-ID: <e61da0d10701110731i180d8cf9w87a56dcce03a156e@mail.gmail.com>

There's a problem with moving articles right now -- it started last night.
When I try to move an article, I get this error:

*Fatal error*: Call to undefined function Notify() in *
/usr/wikia/source/wiki16svn/extensions/LuceneNotifier.php* on line *40*


-- Danny
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From inez at wikia.com  Thu Jan 11 15:44:08 2007
From: inez at wikia.com (=?UTF-8?B?SW5leiBLb3JjennFhHNraQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:44:08 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Moving article error
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10701110731i180d8cf9w87a56dcce03a156e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10701110731i180d8cf9w87a56dcce03a156e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A65B48.7090006@wikia.com>

Danny Horn wrote:
> There's a problem with moving articles right now -- it started last 
> night. When I try to move an article, I get this error:
> 
> *Fatal error*: Call to undefined function Notify() in 
> */usr/wikia/source/wiki16svn/extensions/LuceneNotifier.php* on line *40*

On which Wikia did you notice that error?
Are you sure that error still occur, because we had that problem today 
morning, but already solve it?

Thanks,
Inez


From beesley at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 21:40:25 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:40:25 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Moving article error
In-Reply-To: <45A65B48.7090006@wikia.com>
References: <e61da0d10701110731i180d8cf9w87a56dcce03a156e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A65B48.7090006@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800701111340u7efbb63fg4c64069ec1f9a464@mail.gmail.com>

> On which Wikia did you notice that error?
> Are you sure that error still occur, because we had that problem today
> morning, but already solve it?

It was on the muppet wiki.

Angela


From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 00:31:30 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:31:30 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
Message-ID: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>

Wikia now has a MySpace profile at http://www.myspace.com/wikia

If you're a user of MySpace, please add us to your friends list. You
could also make a profile for your own wiki as a way of promoting it
to other MySpace users.

If you have any suggestions for improving the Wikia profile, please
let me know since I'm quite a newbie at this. :)

Angela (<http://www.myspace.com/wikiangela>)


From dimitar.tsonev at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 00:41:26 2007
From: dimitar.tsonev at gmail.com (Dimitar Tsonev)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:41:26 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dd9628a0701121641u4139492ch2b834ca1572440c9@mail.gmail.com>

Please post your suggestions here, because not only Angela is a newbie ;)

DCLXVI

On 1/13/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wikia now has a MySpace profile at http://www.myspace.com/wikia
>
> If you're a user of MySpace, please add us to your friends list. You
> could also make a profile for your own wiki as a way of promoting it
> to other MySpace users.
>
> If you have any suggestions for improving the Wikia profile, please
> let me know since I'm quite a newbie at this. :)
>
> Angela (<http://www.myspace.com/wikiangela>)
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 00:41:34 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:41:34 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0701121641n6a2a271et3ea89c46a2cc072d@mail.gmail.com>

Honestly, my advice would be to not use MySpace.  Every time I do
anything on that website I get at least 6 "invitations" from very
friendly girls...

Can we buy it back from NewsCorp?  Maybe?

Anyway, I'll add Wikia as a friend.

Chad

On 1/12/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wikia now has a MySpace profile at http://www.myspace.com/wikia
>
> If you're a user of MySpace, please add us to your friends list. You
> could also make a profile for your own wiki as a way of promoting it
> to other MySpace users.
>
> If you have any suggestions for improving the Wikia profile, please
> let me know since I'm quite a newbie at this. :)
>
> Angela (<http://www.myspace.com/wikiangela>)
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From doug.muth at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 00:42:41 2007
From: doug.muth at gmail.com (Douglas Muth)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0701121641n6a2a271et3ea89c46a2cc072d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>
	<801553ab0701121641n6a2a271et3ea89c46a2cc072d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <367e1abe0701121642l13fb41b1u3160298aa646109@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/12/07, Chad Lupkes <chadlupkes at gmail.com> wrote:
> Honestly, my advice would be to not use MySpace.  Every time I do
> anything on that website I get at least 6 "invitations" from very
> friendly girls...

Yeah, I've gotten lots of "friends spam" too.

But, I don't think it hurts us to have a presence on there either.  If
more people find out about Wikia that way, then so much the better!

-- User:Dmuth


From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 00:47:48 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:47:48 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
In-Reply-To: <367e1abe0701121642l13fb41b1u3160298aa646109@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>
	<801553ab0701121641n6a2a271et3ea89c46a2cc072d@mail.gmail.com>
	<367e1abe0701121642l13fb41b1u3160298aa646109@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0701121647l28eaf218u19367a4c641289dc@mail.gmail.com>

No, it doesn't hurt.  It's just a poorly designed website.

Chad

On 1/12/07, Douglas Muth <doug.muth at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/12/07, Chad Lupkes <chadlupkes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Honestly, my advice would be to not use MySpace.  Every time I do
> > anything on that website I get at least 6 "invitations" from very
> > friendly girls...
>
> Yeah, I've gotten lots of "friends spam" too.
>
> But, I don't think it hurts us to have a presence on there either.  If
> more people find out about Wikia that way, then so much the better!
>
> -- User:Dmuth
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 04:15:22 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:15:22 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
In-Reply-To: <367e1abe0701121642l13fb41b1u3160298aa646109@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>	<801553ab0701121641n6a2a271et3ea89c46a2cc072d@mail.gmail.com>
	<367e1abe0701121642l13fb41b1u3160298aa646109@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A85CDA.6050604@gmail.com>

Douglas Muth wrote:
> On 1/12/07, Chad Lupkes <chadlupkes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Honestly, my advice would be to not use MySpace.  Every time I do
>> anything on that website I get at least 6 "invitations" from very
>> friendly girls...
>
> Yeah, I've gotten lots of "friends spam" too.
>
> But, I don't think it hurts us to have a presence on there either.  If
> more people find out about Wikia that way, then so much the better!
>
> -- User:Dmuth
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
Some radio show host here was going off on this today; apparently, 
*everybody* gets friend spam. Perhaps Angela could go on the radio and 
say "If you're 12 and listening to my radio show, get some parents; I 
don't want to be your friend!" :-D

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 14:46:41 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IP problem
Message-ID: <e61da0d10701130646y683e64c0v1a51aa75d74520eb@mail.gmail.com>

There's a weird problem on Muppet Wiki right now -- apparently every IP
address is set to 216.224.121.143.

We tried to block a vandal, and it ended up blocking every user on the wiki.
This happened before, a little while ago, so I'm sure you guys know how to
fix it.


-- Danny
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From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 14:51:29 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:51:29 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IP problem
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10701130646y683e64c0v1a51aa75d74520eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10701130646y683e64c0v1a51aa75d74520eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A8F1F1.4030906@gmail.com>

Danny Horn wrote:
> There's a weird problem on Muppet Wiki right now -- apparently every 
> IP address is set to 216.224.121.143 <http://216.224.121.143>.
>
> We tried to block a vandal, and it ended up blocking every user on the 
> wiki. This happened before, a little while ago, so I'm sure you guys 
> know how to fix it.
>
>
> -- Danny
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>   
Yes, we're having a similar problem on Central, and have the tech team 
working on it now.

We'll keep everyone posted on progress.

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay

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From johnq at wikia.com  Sat Jan 13 15:42:44 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:42:44 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IP problem
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10701130646y683e64c0v1a51aa75d74520eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e61da0d10701130646y683e64c0v1a51aa75d74520eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A8FDF4.4040601@wikia.com>

Hi Danny,

Yes, we brought a new server on-line just a little bit ago...  we're 
about to take care of this.

Thanks,
John Q.


Danny Horn wrote:
> There's a weird problem on Muppet Wiki right now -- apparently every 
> IP address is set to 216.224.121.143 <http://216.224.121.143>.
>
> We tried to block a vandal, and it ended up blocking every user on the 
> wiki. This happened before, a little while ago, so I'm sure you guys 
> know how to fix it.
>
>
> -- Danny
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>   


From sannse at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Jan 13 16:21:34 2007
From: sannse at tiscali.co.uk (sannse)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:21:34 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] IP problem
In-Reply-To: <45A8FDF4.4040601@wikia.com>
References: <e61da0d10701130646y683e64c0v1a51aa75d74520eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A8FDF4.4040601@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <45A9070E.3060302@tiscali.co.uk>

I'm seeing this as fixed now (on the three wikis I checked).  Thanks John.

-- sannse

----
Lisa "sannse" Carter
Wikia Community and Technical Support Team
http://www.wikia.com/
Contact us at community at wikia.com

John Q. wrote:
> Hi Danny,
> 
> Yes, we brought a new server on-line just a little bit ago...  we're 
> about to take care of this.
> 
> Thanks,
> John Q.
> 
> 
> Danny Horn wrote:
>> There's a weird problem on Muppet Wiki right now -- apparently every 
>> IP address is set to 216.224.121.143 <http://216.224.121.143>.
>>
>> We tried to block a vandal, and it ended up blocking every user on the 
>> wiki. This happened before, a little while ago, so I'm sure you guys 
>> know how to fix it.
>>
>>
>> -- Danny
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikia-l mailing list
>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>>   
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> 
> 


From johnq at wikia.com  Sat Jan 13 16:23:01 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:23:01 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] IP problem
In-Reply-To: <45A8FDF4.4040601@wikia.com>
References: <e61da0d10701130646y683e64c0v1a51aa75d74520eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A8FDF4.4040601@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <45A90765.5030800@wikia.com>

Hi Danny,

You should see normal IP addr's now. Let me know if you still see just 
the one.

Thanks,
John Q.


John Q. wrote:
> Hi Danny,
>
> Yes, we brought a new server on-line just a little bit ago...  we're 
> about to take care of this.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
> Danny Horn wrote:
>> There's a weird problem on Muppet Wiki right now -- apparently every 
>> IP address is set to 216.224.121.143 <http://216.224.121.143>.
>>
>> We tried to block a vandal, and it ended up blocking every user on 
>> the wiki. This happened before, a little while ago, so I'm sure you 
>> guys know how to fix it.
>>
>>
>> -- Danny
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikia-l mailing list
>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>>   
>


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 16:31:28 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:31:28 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] IP problem
In-Reply-To: <45A90765.5030800@wikia.com>
References: <e61da0d10701130646y683e64c0v1a51aa75d74520eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A8FDF4.4040601@wikia.com> <45A90765.5030800@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10701130831x43eda983sbfbba674b52e427f@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, it looks good now. Thanks!


-- Danny
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From svc.romero at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 13 22:00:09 2007
From: svc.romero at yahoo.com (svc.romero at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:00:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
Message-ID: <20070113220009.85226.qmail@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Am way too old for MySpace, but if you say so.
Leo http://www.myspace.com/goodlives

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:31:30 +0000
From: Angela <beesley at gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
Message-ID:
    <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Wikia now has a MySpace profile at http://www.myspace.com/wikia

If you're a user of MySpace, please add us to your friends list. You
could also make a profile for your own wiki as a way of promoting it
to other MySpace users.

If you have any suggestions for improving the Wikia profile, please
let me know since I'm quite a newbie at this. :)

Angela (<http://www.myspace.com/wikiangela>)


 
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From jwales at wikia.com  Sat Jan 13 20:41:47 2007
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:41:47 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0701121641n6a2a271et3ea89c46a2cc072d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>
	<801553ab0701121641n6a2a271et3ea89c46a2cc072d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A9440B.3060701@wikia.com>

Chad Lupkes wrote:
> Honestly, my advice would be to not use MySpace.  Every time I do
> anything on that website I get at least 6 "invitations" from very
> friendly girls...
> 
> Can we buy it back from NewsCorp?  Maybe?

:)

How about we get some people excited to build an open source alternative 
that actually respects the teens instead of abusing them with excessive 
advertising?

Well, you know me.  More ideas than I could ever have time for. :)

But seriously, I have a friend who has a nice phrase "Myspace is not 
your space," expressing frustration with how badly they treat their users.

--Jimbo



From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 14 00:27:55 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:27:55 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
In-Reply-To: <45A9440B.3060701@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F8F5DF2008B1DB99F3F008A5B60@phx.gbl>

>How about we get some people excited to build an open source alternative 
>that actually respects the teens instead of abusing them with excessive 
>advertising?
>
>Well, you know me.  More ideas than I could ever have time for. :)
>
>But seriously, I have a friend who has a nice phrase "Myspace is not your 
>space," expressing frustration with how badly they treat their users.

Over at furry we have had to remind people on several occasions that 
"WikiFur is not MySpace" ("...nor is it LiveJournal"). This is tricky 
because we do allow people to both create and contribute to articles about 
themselves. We've had a few problems where people were very keen on 
imparting their own "style" to the writing, and couldn't understand that the 
articles were primarily for our benefit, not for theirs.

I'm constantly amazed that people are so very keen to tell the world about 
every feature of their daily lives and (in some cases) go into extraordinary 
detail about their bad habits and sexual proclivities. Still, if it makes 
them happy . . . just as long as they put their list of favourite toys on 
their user page.

---
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/ - http://wikifur.com/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have *you* drunk your fill?"

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From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 01:59:45 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:59:45 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] MySpace
In-Reply-To: <45A9440B.3060701@wikia.com>
References: <8b722b800701121631r7cab1ec0k9bef4a924bac676f@mail.gmail.com>
	<801553ab0701121641n6a2a271et3ea89c46a2cc072d@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A9440B.3060701@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <801553ab0701131759we05eca3jc13d19a2f4f6cc88@mail.gmail.com>

Orkut does exactly that, and it's used a lot in Brazil.  Myspace has a
monopoly in the US because it has a marketing budget, and because the
domain name is capable of grabbing our attention.  Imagine what we
could have done if we had grabbed mywiki.com.  Maybe Linspire would be
willing to sell it to us.

Chad

On 1/13/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> Chad Lupkes wrote:
> > Honestly, my advice would be to not use MySpace.  Every time I do
> > anything on that website I get at least 6 "invitations" from very
> > friendly girls...
> >
> > Can we buy it back from NewsCorp?  Maybe?
>
> :)
>
> How about we get some people excited to build an open source alternative
> that actually respects the teens instead of abusing them with excessive
> advertising?
>
> Well, you know me.  More ideas than I could ever have time for. :)
>
> But seriously, I have a friend who has a nice phrase "Myspace is not
> your space," expressing frustration with how badly they treat their users.
>
> --Jimbo
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From Robin.Patterson at thomson.com  Mon Jan 15 00:06:37 2007
From: Robin.Patterson at thomson.com (Robin.Patterson at thomson.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:06:37 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Alternatives to MySpace: maybe WikiVille
Message-ID: <19E6234A7BDFE54583B83BBF5E604FB688BA37@TLRNZWLGMBX01.ERF.THOMSON.COM>

(My employer has blocked access to MySpace, so I can't check from here
whether I ever joined.)
Surely Wikia can provide alternatives for young people??

If not, we could direct them to WikiVille, which already has some
"reciprocal" links to Wikia. As an example of what it does, one of the
newest pages is now at
http://www.wikiville.org.uk/index.php/5th_Grade_at_Covington 
Regrettably, it still has very few "people excited to build an open
source alternative that actually respects the teens". This contributor
is disproportionally active but wondering whether he should bother;
Wikia is much more satisfying. 

See
http://www.wikiville.org.uk/index.php?title=User_talk:Robin_Patterson&di
ff=prev&oldid=5058 for a second opinion.


Robin Patterson


On 1/13/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> Chad Lupkes wrote:
> > Honestly, my advice would be to not use MySpace.  
.....
> How about we get some people excited to build an open source
alternative
> that actually respects the teens instead of abusing them with
excessive
> advertising?
>
.....


From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 00:31:31 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:31:31 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Alternatives to MySpace: maybe WikiVille
In-Reply-To: <19E6234A7BDFE54583B83BBF5E604FB688BA37@TLRNZWLGMBX01.ERF.THOMSON.COM>
References: <19E6234A7BDFE54583B83BBF5E604FB688BA37@TLRNZWLGMBX01.ERF.THOMSON.COM>
Message-ID: <8b722b800701141631l3fb5815k1f9f73f359da2e8@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/15/07, Robin.Patterson at thomson.com <Robin.Patterson at thomson.com> wrote:
> (My employer has blocked access to MySpace, so I can't check from here
> whether I ever joined.)
> Surely Wikia can provide alternatives for young people??

We do hope to have more social networking type features in future. At
the moment, we have a social.wikia.com which aims to be a bit like
myspace but on a standard wiki. There is also teens.wikia.com for that
age group, but so far it's only attracted vandals.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 18:47:13 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:47:13 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] slow wikis
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701151047x2b208f0sb4ad6352198b104d@mail.gmail.com>

Most Wikia wikis seem to be at a crawl right now: Muppet, Bionic, Memory
Alpha.

Is there a network outage?

Thanks, Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Jan 15 18:49:35 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:49:35 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] slow wikis
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0701151047x2b208f0sb4ad6352198b104d@mail.gmail.com>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 18:51:33 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:51:33 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] slow wikis
In-Reply-To: <45ABCCBF.9090404@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701151047x2b208f0sb4ad6352198b104d@mail.gmail.com>
	<45ABCCBF.9090404@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701151051k79154365ve9633499ef17de88@mail.gmail.com>

DOS attack?

Things do seem better now, thanks!

-S


On 1/15/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> We saw that and it looks like it's been addressed. It was an outside
> program hitting our servers.
>
> Thanks,
> Q.
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
>
>  Most Wikia wikis seem to be at a crawl right now: Muppet, Bionic, Memory
> Alpha.
>
> Is there a network outage?
>
> Thanks, Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 19:08:39 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] slow wikis
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0701151051k79154365ve9633499ef17de88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701151047x2b208f0sb4ad6352198b104d@mail.gmail.com>
	<45ABCCBF.9090404@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0701151051k79154365ve9633499ef17de88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701151108y776dca74u86cd619cd0d41892@mail.gmail.com>

Hm, there still seem to be some intermittent leftovers of slowness...




>  On 1/15/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > We saw that and it looks like it's been addressed. It was an outside
> > program hitting our servers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Q.
> >
> > Scott Hanson wrote:
> >
> >  Most Wikia wikis seem to be at a crawl right now: Muppet, Bionic,
> > Memory Alpha.
> >
> > Is there a network outage?
> >
> > Thanks, Scott
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
> >
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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Jan 15 19:13:14 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:13:14 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] slow wikis
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0701151108y776dca74u86cd619cd0d41892@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701151047x2b208f0sb4ad6352198b104d@mail.gmail.com>	<45ABCCBF.9090404@wikia.com>	<3b6cf93a0701151051k79154365ve9633499ef17de88@mail.gmail.com>
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From rsw154 at psu.edu  Wed Jan 17 03:02:23 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Embedded image slowness
Message-ID: <1169002941l.663704l.0l@psu.edu>


Hi folks.  I recently noticed that loading Doom Wiki pages on one of my machines
seems to stall indefinitely at "www.google-analytics.com".  Every image loads
except for the main wiki icon in the upper left, and edits are still applied
(so the workaround is just to hit the stop button).

Obviously I don't expect anyone to investigate this on my account, since I am
using an unmaintained browser and an unmaintained OS (Mozilla 1.2.1 on Mac OS
9.2.2).  But I know that in programming, no problem is isolated, but is
interconnected to all things; so I thought I'd mention it anyway in case it led
upwards to something of significance.

cheers
r.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802




From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 03:27:18 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:27:18 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Embedded image slowness
In-Reply-To: <1169002941l.663704l.0l@psu.edu>
References: <1169002941l.663704l.0l@psu.edu>
Message-ID: <45AD9796.5020201@gmail.com>

Ryan Woodworth wrote:
> Hi folks.  I recently noticed that loading Doom Wiki pages on one of my machines
> seems to stall indefinitely at "www.google-analytics.com".  Every image loads
> except for the main wiki icon in the upper left, and edits are still applied
> (so the workaround is just to hit the stop button).
>
> Obviously I don't expect anyone to investigate this on my account, since I am
> using an unmaintained browser and an unmaintained OS (Mozilla 1.2.1 on Mac OS
> 9.2.2).  But I know that in programming, no problem is isolated, but is
> interconnected to all things; so I thought I'd mention it anyway in case it led
> upwards to something of significance.
>
> cheers
> r.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
> Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
> The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>   
I had a message pop up today asking about accepting a certificate for 
google-analytics.com; I didn't think a lot of it at the time, but I 
wonder if maybe that might be related?

Ryan (Jordan)

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay



From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 18:45:12 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:45:12 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] search function
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701191045t5d2d4c78jf1127d3c27bd986@mail.gmail.com>

First I'd like to say that I'm happy and relieved to see the search back to
normal again. What a horrible nightmare it was having Google instead of
Lucene.

I'm also happy to see that categories come up in search results again -- a
feature I'd been missing for months. However, in the trade-off, it appears
that we've lost two things: text inside templates on a page and tables are
not searchable.

For example, searching for "gobagoo" on Muppet Wiki only gives you its
reference on the talk page for Rowlf the Dog's Alternate Identities, and not
its inclusion on the page itself -- I'm assuming because it's inside a
table.

For the template example, searching for the ISBN 0717282538, should bring up
The Value of Imagination, but instead I get nothing.

Is there a way to tweak the search so that these things which worked before
will work again but without losing other features such as categories showing
up in search results and the ability to search for two words appearing in
the same article?

Thanks, Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Jan 19 18:57:43 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:57:43 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] search function
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0701191045t5d2d4c78jf1127d3c27bd986@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701191045t5d2d4c78jf1127d3c27bd986@mail.gmail.com>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 19:01:30 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:01:30 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] search function
In-Reply-To: <45B114A7.50800@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701191045t5d2d4c78jf1127d3c27bd986@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B114A7.50800@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701191101h51a942bbk49ae1ba5b57fc121@mail.gmail.com>

Do those modifications also account for text in a table?

Thanks, John.

-Scott


On 1/19/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> When we switched to MySQL full text search, that would find text inside
> the templates... now that we're back to Lucene, I believe Inez put in
> modifications so that it would still be able to do that but he's the expert
> on what's getting indexed now... so let me check in with him and get back to
> you.
>
> Thanks,
> Q.
>
>
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
>
>  First I'd like to say that I'm happy and relieved to see the search back
> to normal again. What a horrible nightmare it was having Google instead of
> Lucene.
>
> I'm also happy to see that categories come up in search results again -- a
> feature I'd been missing for months. However, in the trade-off, it appears
> that we've lost two things: text inside templates on a page and tables are
> not searchable.
>
> For example, searching for "gobagoo" on Muppet Wiki only gives you its
> reference on the talk page for Rowlf the Dog's Alternate Identities, and not
> its inclusion on the page itself -- I'm assuming because it's inside a
> table.
>
> For the template example, searching for the ISBN 0717282538, should bring
> up The Value of Imagination, but instead I get nothing.
>
> Is there a way to tweak the search so that these things which worked
> before will work again but without losing other features such as categories
> showing up in search results and the ability to search for two words
> appearing in the same article?
>
> Thanks, Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Jan 19 19:04:51 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:04:51 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] search function
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0701191101h51a942bbk49ae1ba5b57fc121@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701191045t5d2d4c78jf1127d3c27bd986@mail.gmail.com>	<45B114A7.50800@wikia.com>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 00:51:21 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:51:21 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Image problems on Wikia for a couple of hours
Message-ID: <8b722b800701201651yee64edw44399171f8e536ef@mail.gmail.com>

One of our fileservers needs rebooting which is causing some problems.
The most noticeable issue will be with images - they can't currently
be uploaded or deleted.

Matthew is going to the colo to sort this out and we hope to have this
resolved within the next few hours.

Sorry about this problem. I'll send an update as soon as possible.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 01:05:25 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:05:25 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Image problems on Wikia for a couple of hours
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701201651yee64edw44399171f8e536ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701201651yee64edw44399171f8e536ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50701201705y1179095bgd1da802b70292b1e@mail.gmail.com>

As always, the Wikia efforts are appreciated.

Glad I got my Wikia's Images sorted before this hapenned ^^

On 1/21/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> One of our fileservers needs rebooting which is causing some problems.
> The most noticeable issue will be with images - they can't currently
> be uploaded or deleted.
>
> Matthew is going to the colo to sort this out and we hope to have this
> resolved within the next few hours.
>
> Sorry about this problem. I'll send an update as soon as possible.
>
> Angela
>
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


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"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From chadlupkes at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 03:26:33 2007
From: chadlupkes at gmail.com (Chad Lupkes)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:26:33 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Down
Message-ID: <801553ab0701201926o1f04907cw16dc3f1cc3c75b57@mail.gmail.com>

Woah.  The entire domain looks like it's down hard.

Chad
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From doug.muth at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 03:31:02 2007
From: doug.muth at gmail.com (Douglas Muth)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:31:02 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Down
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0701201926o1f04907cw16dc3f1cc3c75b57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <801553ab0701201926o1f04907cw16dc3f1cc3c75b57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <367e1abe0701201931s237829fayba1ff46053066aff@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/20/07, Chad Lupkes <chadlupkes at gmail.com> wrote:
> Woah.  The entire domain looks like it's down hard.

Providing just a little more detail, here's what I'm seeing:


The following error was encountered:

    * Unable to forward this request at this time.

This request could not be forwarded to the origin server or to any
parent caches. The most likely cause for this error is that:

    * The cache administrator does not allow this cache to make direct
connections to origin servers, and
    * All configured parent caches are currently unreachable.


-- User:Dmuth


From duncan at wikia.com  Sun Jan 21 03:31:20 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:31:20 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Down
In-Reply-To: <801553ab0701201926o1f04907cw16dc3f1cc3c75b57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <801553ab0701201926o1f04907cw16dc3f1cc3c75b57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F40F6FE5-5EA9-4C78-8EB4-12C25CB8BEC4@wikia.com>


Chad,

One of our key servers had a bit of a problem.  During the reboot the  
operating system decided it needed a full integrity check.
It should be back up in a few minutes.

Matthew
On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Chad Lupkes wrote:

> Woah.  The entire domain looks like it's down hard.
>
> Chad
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
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From duncan at wikia.com  Sun Jan 21 06:02:11 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:02:11 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Down
In-Reply-To: <F40F6FE5-5EA9-4C78-8EB4-12C25CB8BEC4@wikia.com>
References: <801553ab0701201926o1f04907cw16dc3f1cc3c75b57@mail.gmail.com>
	<F40F6FE5-5EA9-4C78-8EB4-12C25CB8BEC4@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <996FC75B-24A0-4DC9-AB2B-1C6E236DB469@wikia.com>


Things should be up and running again.  Let us know if you see any  
further issues.

Matthew

On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Matthew Silvey wrote:

>
> Chad,
>
> One of our key servers had a bit of a problem.  During the reboot  
> the operating system decided it needed a full integrity check.
> It should be back up in a few minutes.
>
> Matthew
> On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Chad Lupkes wrote:
>
>> Woah.  The entire domain looks like it's down hard.
>>
>> Chad
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikia-l mailing list
>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Sun Jan 21 06:07:47 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:07:47 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] server out...
Message-ID: <45B30333.2030403@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We had a central server go out tonight. No data was at risk through any 
of this. It took us a little bit longer than expected to get a 
replacement server in place... sorry about that. As you know we've been 
working the last few months to make the site faster, better, and 
increase our ability to scale as Wikia has been getting bigger. Behind 
the scenes we've been introducing more hardware and secondary machines 
for just such an event as this. In this case, it was a server whose 
secondary wasn't in place yet (it's literally in the mail).

Sorry for the inconvenience and we'll be reviewing exactly what happened 
here to see how we can do handle this better and faster.

Thanks,
John Q.



From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 16:59:01 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:59:01 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] server out...
In-Reply-To: <45B30333.2030403@wikia.com>
References: <45B30333.2030403@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701210859i3df7fdd8rf0d2c1fe446ab3ff@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the update, John. Glad everything worked out okay,

On 1/21/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We had a central server go out tonight. No data was at risk through any
> of this. It took us a little bit longer than expected to get a
> replacement server in place... sorry about that. As you know we've been
> working the last few months to make the site faster, better, and
> increase our ability to scale as Wikia has been getting bigger. Behind
> the scenes we've been introducing more hardware and secondary machines
> for just such an event as this. In this case, it was a server whose
> secondary wasn't in place yet (it's literally in the mail).
>
> Sorry for the inconvenience and we'll be reviewing exactly what happened
> here to see how we can do handle this better and faster.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
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From inez at wikia.com  Mon Jan 22 10:45:00 2007
From: inez at wikia.com (=?UTF-8?B?SW5leiBLb3JjennFhHNraQ==?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:45:00 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] search function
In-Reply-To: <45B11653.3060503@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701191045t5d2d4c78jf1127d3c27bd986@mail.gmail.com>	<45B114A7.50800@wikia.com>	<3b6cf93a0701191101h51a942bbk49ae1ba5b57fc121@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B11653.3060503@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <45B495AC.2060705@wikia.com>

Hi,

Yes, modification in our new search engine account for text in table and 
shared templates too. I will check what's wrong with indexing 
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Rowlf_the_Dog%27s_Alternate_Identities and 
let you know.

Regards,
Inez



John Q. wrote:
> I need Inez to give me an authoritative answer because he wrote the code 
> to get Lucene working for us across wikis again. :)  I should have an 
> answer daytime Poland time... and I'll let you know as soon as I know.
> 
> Thanks,
> Q.
> 
> 
> Scott Hanson wrote:
>> Do those modifications also account for text in a table?
>>  
>> Thanks, John.
>>  
>> -Scott
>>
>>  
>> On 1/19/07, *John Q.* <johnq at wikia.com <mailto:johnq at wikia.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Scott,
>>
>>     When we switched to MySQL full text search, that would find text
>>     inside the templates... now that we're back to Lucene, I believe
>>     Inez put in modifications so that it would still be able to do
>>     that but he's the expert on what's getting indexed now... so let
>>     me check in with him and get back to you.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Q.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Scott Hanson wrote:
>>>     First I'd like to say that I'm happy and relieved to see the
>>>     search back to normal again. What a horrible nightmare it was
>>>     having Google instead of Lucene.
>>>      
>>>     I'm also happy to see that categories come up in search results
>>>     again -- a feature I'd been missing for months. However, in the
>>>     trade-off, it appears that we've lost two things: text inside
>>>     templates on a page and tables are not searchable.
>>>      
>>>     For example, searching for "gobagoo" on Muppet Wiki only gives
>>>     you its reference on the talk page for Rowlf the Dog's Alternate
>>>     Identities, and not its inclusion on the page itself -- I'm
>>>     assuming because it's inside a table.
>>>      
>>>     For the template example, searching for the ISBN 0717282538,
>>>     should bring up The Value of Imagination, but instead I get nothing.
>>>      
>>>     Is there a way to tweak the search so that these things which
>>>     worked before will work again but without losing other features
>>>     such as categories showing up in search results and the ability
>>>     to search for two words appearing in the same article?
>>>      
>>>     Thanks, Scott
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Wikia-l mailing list
>>>     Wikia-l at wikia.com <mailto:Wikia-l at wikia.com>
>>>     http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>>>       
>>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 18:02:57 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:02:57 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] search function
In-Reply-To: <45B495AC.2060705@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0701191045t5d2d4c78jf1127d3c27bd986@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B114A7.50800@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0701191101h51a942bbk49ae1ba5b57fc121@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B11653.3060503@wikia.com> <45B495AC.2060705@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701221002l6ca6826av5208d2478c6bb034@mail.gmail.com>

That's great that you're looking into that Inez.

How about text within a template on a page. For example, searching for
0679412034 should get me Jim Henson: The Works.

-S


On 1/22/07, Inez Korczy?ski <inez at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, modification in our new search engine account for text in table and
> shared templates too. I will check what's wrong with indexing
> http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Rowlf_the_Dog%27s_Alternate_Identities and
> let you know.
>
> Regards,
> Inez
>
>
>
> John Q. wrote:
> > I need Inez to give me an authoritative answer because he wrote the code
> > to get Lucene working for us across wikis again. :)  I should have an
> > answer daytime Poland time... and I'll let you know as soon as I know.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Q.
> >
> >
> > Scott Hanson wrote:
> >> Do those modifications also account for text in a table?
> >>
> >> Thanks, John.
> >>
> >> -Scott
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/19/07, *John Q.* <johnq at wikia.com <mailto:johnq at wikia.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Hi Scott,
> >>
> >>     When we switched to MySQL full text search, that would find text
> >>     inside the templates... now that we're back to Lucene, I believe
> >>     Inez put in modifications so that it would still be able to do
> >>     that but he's the expert on what's getting indexed now... so let
> >>     me check in with him and get back to you.
> >>
> >>     Thanks,
> >>     Q.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Scott Hanson wrote:
> >>>     First I'd like to say that I'm happy and relieved to see the
> >>>     search back to normal again. What a horrible nightmare it was
> >>>     having Google instead of Lucene.
> >>>
> >>>     I'm also happy to see that categories come up in search results
> >>>     again -- a feature I'd been missing for months. However, in the
> >>>     trade-off, it appears that we've lost two things: text inside
> >>>     templates on a page and tables are not searchable.
> >>>
> >>>     For example, searching for "gobagoo" on Muppet Wiki only gives
> >>>     you its reference on the talk page for Rowlf the Dog's Alternate
> >>>     Identities, and not its inclusion on the page itself -- I'm
> >>>     assuming because it's inside a table.
> >>>
> >>>     For the template example, searching for the ISBN 0717282538,
> >>>     should bring up The Value of Imagination, but instead I get
> nothing.
> >>>
> >>>     Is there a way to tweak the search so that these things which
> >>>     worked before will work again but without losing other features
> >>>     such as categories showing up in search results and the ability
> >>>     to search for two words appearing in the same article?
> >>>
> >>>     Thanks, Scott
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>     _______________________________________________
> >>>     Wikia-l mailing list
> >>>     Wikia-l at wikia.com <mailto:Wikia-l at wikia.com>
> >>>     http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >>>
> >>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 17:47:10 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:47:10 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New calendar feature
Message-ID: <8b722b800701230947q6b954aa8ufd067d7ff9635e4d@mail.gmail.com>

A new calendar feature developed by Wikia has recently been installed.

You can activate it on your wiki by typing <calendar /> on any page.

When you've saved the page, you'll see an "add an event" link which
takes you to a form to create the event, which will be saved as a page
on your wiki and will appear in the calendar.

See http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Calendar for more information.

Feedback is welcomed at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:New_calendar_feature

Angela


From memory_alpha at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 13:05:16 2007
From: memory_alpha at gmx.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Florian_K=E4utner=22?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:05:16 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New calendar feature
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701230947q6b954aa8ufd067d7ff9635e4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701230947q6b954aa8ufd067d7ff9635e4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070124130516.195400@gmx.net>

Hi Angela, hello list,

> See http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Calendar for more information.

this looks great. I don't know if my problem is related to this calender but it came up at about the same time.

If you see a "Star Trek: Next Genration" article on Memory Alpha, you will see messed up tables: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation - just scroll down to the season listing.

It looks like wiki tables inside templates are stripped down to plain text somehow. This effect is seen on the mainpage of the German section, too. And is was not before a few hours ago; I did edit the mainpage yesterday and it looked good then.

You someone can help out, thanks in advance.

Florian


From emil at wikia.com  Wed Jan 24 13:17:47 2007
From: emil at wikia.com (Emil Podlaszewski)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:17:47 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New calendar feature
In-Reply-To: <20070124130516.195400@gmx.net>
References: <8b722b800701230947q6b954aa8ufd067d7ff9635e4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070124130516.195400@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <45B75C7B.4030604@wikia.com>

Hi Florian,

We were deploying some new code today and there was one patch more than 
needed. However now it should be fixed. Please confirm.

Emil


Florian K?utner wrote:
> Hi Angela, hello list,
> 
>> See http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Calendar for more information.
> 
> this looks great. I don't know if my problem is related to this calender but it came up at about the same time.
> 
> If you see a "Star Trek: Next Genration" article on Memory Alpha, you will see messed up tables: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation - just scroll down to the season listing.
> 
> It looks like wiki tables inside templates are stripped down to plain text somehow. This effect is seen on the mainpage of the German section, too. And is was not before a few hours ago; I did edit the mainpage yesterday and it looked good then.
> 
> You someone can help out, thanks in advance.
> 
> Florian
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> 



From memory_alpha at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 15:10:38 2007
From: memory_alpha at gmx.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Florian_K=E4utner=22?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:10:38 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New calendar feature
In-Reply-To: <45B75C7B.4030604@wikia.com>
References: <8b722b800701230947q6b954aa8ufd067d7ff9635e4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070124130516.195400@gmx.net> <45B75C7B.4030604@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <20070124151038.195440@gmx.net>

Hi Emil,

> We were deploying some new code today and there was one patch more than 
> needed. However now it should be fixed. Please confirm.

Confirmed! Looks very fine again. Plus I've a new catch-phrase for upcoming deployments in my office ("one patch more than needed").

Thanks again!
Florian


From duncan at wikia.com  Thu Jan 25 03:20:39 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:20:39 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wiki Stats Maintenance
Message-ID: <27B3EC17-D94A-4A16-B6EF-0FD82DDE33A8@wikia.com>


Folks,

We need to do some maintenance work tonight which will prevent wiki  
stats from running tonight.  They will resume tomorrow.  If this will  
cause any hardship let us know so we can re-schedule.

Matthew


From beesley at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 22:03:20 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:03:20 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
Message-ID: <8b722b800701251403ie4bfefq1df94fb35a8c4f1f@mail.gmail.com>

In November last year, we took a sample of page views to measure how
many were from non-logged in users. I've just published the results at
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Page_views

We found that exactly 90% of page views were from users who were not
logged in. Some exceptions to 90-10 rule are:
          o High:
                + Star Wars Fanon with 70.3% registered
                + Central Wikia with 38% - 48% registered
                + Cybernations with 30.6% registered
          o Low:
                + Dofus with 3.2% registered
                + EVCHK with 3.1% registered
                + Smallville with 2.6% registered
                + 24 with 1.8% registered
                + Spanking Art with 1% registered

See http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Page_views for the stats on some of the
other most visited wikis.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 22:10:33 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:10:33 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701251403ie4bfefq1df94fb35a8c4f1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701251403ie4bfefq1df94fb35a8c4f1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0701251410u79209debpb7cee67bed88e8b2@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, surprsing results. I'd have had no idea so many people were visiting
Muppet Wiki who weren't involved in the project. That's encouraging.

-S


On 1/25/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In November last year, we took a sample of page views to measure how
> many were from non-logged in users. I've just published the results at
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Page_views
>
> We found that exactly 90% of page views were from users who were not
> logged in. Some exceptions to 90-10 rule are:
>          o High:
>                + Star Wars Fanon with 70.3% registered
>                + Central Wikia with 38% - 48% registered
>                + Cybernations with 30.6% registered
>          o Low:
>                + Dofus with 3.2% registered
>                + EVCHK with 3.1% registered
>                + Smallville with 2.6% registered
>                + 24 with 1.8% registered
>                + Spanking Art with 1% registered
>
> See http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Page_views for the stats on some of the
> other most visited wikis.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
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From beesley at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 22:13:53 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:13:53 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0701251410u79209debpb7cee67bed88e8b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701251403ie4bfefq1df94fb35a8c4f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0701251410u79209debpb7cee67bed88e8b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800701251413t614c799au89bf4d2b5e3b4f44@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, surprsing results. I'd have had no idea so many people were visiting
> Muppet Wiki who weren't involved in the project. That's encouraging.

In some ways it is encouraging, but at the same time, you should think
about why they're not involved in the project - how could you make
these random visitors stay around and become editors?

At http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html Nielsen
suggests:
making it easier to contribute
making participation a side effect
letting users build their contributions by modifying existing
templates rather than creating complete entities
rewarding participants for contributing
promoting quality contributors


Angela


From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 22:18:41 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:18:41 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0701251410u79209debpb7cee67bed88e8b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701251403ie4bfefq1df94fb35a8c4f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0701251410u79209debpb7cee67bed88e8b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50701251418j4920231l382be3951cd6deb1@mail.gmail.com>

Considering how often the logged in users that I know of and I access
the Yu-Gi-Oh Wikia on a daiy basis, 93.2% unregistered is -very-
encouraging. I think it's showing how well the Wikia is being passed
around by word of mouth.

On 1/25/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, surprsing results. I'd have had no idea so many people were visiting
> Muppet Wiki who weren't involved in the project. That's encouraging.
>
> -S
>
>
>
> On 1/25/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > In November last year, we took a sample of page views to measure how
> > many were from non-logged in users. I've just published the results at
> > http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Page_views
> >
> > We found that exactly 90% of page views were from users who were not
> > logged in. Some exceptions to 90-10 rule are:
> >          o High:
> >                + Star Wars Fanon with 70.3% registered
> >                + Central Wikia with 38% - 48% registered
> >                + Cybernations with 30.6% registered
> >          o Low:
> >                + Dofus with 3.2% registered
> >                + EVCHK with 3.1% registered
> >                + Smallville with 2.6% registered
> >                + 24 with 1.8% registered
> >                + Spanking Art with 1% registered
> >
> > See http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Page_views for the stats on
> some of the
> > other most visited wikis.
> >
> > Angela
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From jasonr at wikia.com  Thu Jan 25 23:37:48 2007
From: jasonr at wikia.com (Jason Richey)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:37:48 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mailing list server move
Message-ID: <45B93F4C.2000708@wikia.com>

Hello everyone.  We are going to be moving all of our mailing lists and 
corporate email addresses to a new server in the next half hour.  I 
don't foresee any problems with the move, but I do expect to have a 
little bit of downtime, where mail will be queued for later delivery.  
Please, if you notice any trouble with the system, let me know.

If you ARE seeing email trouble, you can be sure to reach me using an 
alternate address, "jasonr at wikia-inc.com", or via IRC as "JasonR"

I'm planning the move for 11:59pm UTC (just under half an hour from 
now), and I expect it to take less than half an hour to complete.

-- 
Jason Richey
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jasonr



From jasonr at wikia.com  Fri Jan 26 01:03:54 2007
From: jasonr at wikia.com (Jason Richey)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:03:54 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] mailing lists moved
Message-ID: <45B9537A.4030108@wikia.com>

The mailing list move is complete, and delivery should be resuming as 
normal.  Please let me know if you experience any problems with the system.

-- 
Jason Richey
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jasonr



From toughpigs at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 03:18:58 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:18:58 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800701251413t614c799au89bf4d2b5e3b4f44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701251403ie4bfefq1df94fb35a8c4f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0701251410u79209debpb7cee67bed88e8b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800701251413t614c799au89bf4d2b5e3b4f44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10701251918x37eea892id76d9e5b38e00107@mail.gmail.com>

> In some ways it is encouraging, but at the same time, you should think
> about why they're not involved in the project - how could you make
> these random visitors stay around and become editors?



I dunno. Snacks?

The thought that occurs to me is: Look at all those people who are taking
advantage of my hard work. We should charge them admission or something.
It's only fair.


-- Danny
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From essjay.wikia at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 03:29:21 2007
From: essjay.wikia at gmail.com (Ryan Jordan)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10701251918x37eea892id76d9e5b38e00107@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800701251403ie4bfefq1df94fb35a8c4f1f@mail.gmail.com>	<3b6cf93a0701251410u79209debpb7cee67bed88e8b2@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800701251413t614c799au89bf4d2b5e3b4f44@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10701251918x37eea892id76d9e5b38e00107@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45B97591.9030805@gmail.com>

Danny Horn wrote:
>
>     In some ways it is encouraging, but at the same time, you should think
>     about why they're not involved in the project - how could you make
>     these random visitors stay around and become editors?
>
>
>
> I dunno. Snacks?
>
> The thought that occurs to me is: Look at all those people who are 
> taking advantage of my hard work. We should charge them admission or 
> something. It's only fair.
>
>
> -- Danny
>
I would suggest that we already do that: If non-logged in users are 90% 
of our page views, then they are also going to be 90% (or more) of the 
ones clicking the ads that pay to keep the site running.

Ryan

-- 
Ryan Jordan
Community Manager, Wikia Inc.
www.wikia.com
Username: Essjay
essjay.wikia at gmail.com
www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Essjay

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From markdarb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 03:45:34 2007
From: markdarb at gmail.com (Mark William Darbyshire)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:45:34 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
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I'd agree. The ads are sufficient. How could we possibly attract more people
to our community if they have to pay? My idea of Wikia is that it's a
website of free content released under the GFDL, just like Wikipedia, but
that it's for in-depth sites about various topics instead of encyclopedic
articles. As editors on Wikia we should be happy to devote our time to a
good cause, and expect nothing in return except for the satisfaction.

It's great that we're getting so many unregistered users if it indicates
that they're new users. But could a large percentage of those unregistered
users be registered users who forget to log in? I know I forget to log in
from time to time. And if they are new to Wikia, it's a shame they're not
all sticking around (or at least they're not all creating accounts).

Ultimately, I don't think we can ever hope to get the majority of visitors
to actually contribute (and it's the same on Wikipedia). But wikis do need
to appeal to those who would be interested in contributing. It's just
encouraging to know that the wikis we're working on are being visited by
other people, and it reminds us that there are more people out there who are
visiting Wikia and who we should encourage to make edits.
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From Robin.Patterson at thomson.com  Fri Jan 26 06:09:44 2007
From: Robin.Patterson at thomson.com (Robin.Patterson at thomson.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:09:44 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia page views;
	regulars forgetting to log in? - or visitors to encourage
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I agree with Mark 100%. And I've read with great interest the page
Angela referred us to -
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html
<http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html>  . A
summary or paraphrase of each of those points should be in the second
half of http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Improving_your_Wikia. And like
much of that page of ours it should be on the Starter Wikia; but there's
nowhere I can find on the Starter Wikia where anyone can suggest
improvements to the locked pages.
 
As for forgetting to log in - I do that a lot, but because I've
"preferred" a skin that looks so different from the standard I get a
clear reminder long before I hit the Save button.
 


Robin Patterson 



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	I'd agree. The ads are sufficient. How could we possibly attract
more people to our community if they have to pay? My idea of Wikia is
that it's a website of free content released under the GFDL, just like
Wikipedia, but that it's for in-depth sites about various topics instead
of encyclopedic articles. As editors on Wikia we should be happy to
devote our time to a good cause, and expect nothing in return except for
the satisfaction. 
	
	It's great that we're getting so many unregistered users if it
indicates that they're new users. But could a large percentage of those
unregistered users be registered users who forget to log in? I know I
forget to log in from time to time. And if they are new to Wikia, it's a
shame they're not all sticking around (or at least they're not all
creating accounts). 
	
	Ultimately, I don't think we can ever hope to get the majority
of visitors to actually contribute (and it's the same on Wikipedia). But
wikis do need to appeal to those who would be interested in
contributing. It's just encouraging to know that the wikis we're working
on are being visited by other people, and it reminds us that there are
more people out there who are visiting Wikia and who we should encourage
to make edits. 
	

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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 14:20:59 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:20:59 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
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Yeah, I was just kidding about charging people admission.

My serious point is that 90% unregistered visitors might be a good thing;
it's a sign that the wiki has content that's worth reading. We want wikis to
be successful projects that lots of people contribute to, but we also want
the end result to be something that the general public can use as a
resource.

Looking through those stats on pageviews, it's not clear that a higher
percentage of registered users means a better or more accessible wiki. I see
a different story.

Starwars is the biggest and most successful site on Wikia by any measure,
and their registered user ratio is 7.3%. Memory Alpha's ratio is 4.7%.
Starwars has close to 300 contributors in a month; Memory Alpha has over a
hundred. They're attracting a lot of contributors -- an those contributors
are creating such a valuable resource that they're bringing in even more
people who want to read it. Ditto for Marvel Database (4.3%), Dofus (3.2%),
Halo (6.0%), Muppet Wiki (4.6%) and Yugioh (6.8%).

The highest registered user ratio that you quote on the page is SWfanon,
with 70.3%. That's great, and SWfanon is a successful wiki -- but I don't
think that should be the model for other projects. They have a high ratio
because it's essentially a closed system -- the wiki is about the
contributors. That brings in a healthy group of contributors, but people
outside that group have no interest in reading it. To a lesser extent,
Cybernations (30.6%) and Furry (13.6%) also encourage contributors to add
themselves (or their nations/avatars) to the wiki. In those three cases, the
percentage of registered users might even track the percentage of "personal"
content on the site. (And the same could be said about Central, with 38%.)

So maybe there's two ways to have a successful wiki. One is to build a site
with useful information, which will attract a 5-10% registered user ratio.
The other is to build a site around a particular group of contributors,
which doesn't attract a lot of outside readers, but builds a strong base of
devoted users.

If Wikia is interested in having more of those "group" wikis, then maybe we
could consider opening the site up to things like clubs, high schools or
fraternities. They wouldn't necessarily be of particular interest to the
outside world -- but, as with SWfanon, you could attract a group of 100
contributors who check the site all the time.

-- Danny
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 15:06:26 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:06:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
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By the way, I also just looked at Jakob Nielsen's article, and it doesn't
make sense. I hope that article isn't being used as a model for Wikia.

Nielsen's premise is that contributors are good, and users are bad. Calling
them "lurkers" implies that these people are parasites, rather than readers
or customers. He essentially says that every user should contribute to every
website that they use -- Wikipedia, Amazon, Netflix, blogs. According to
Nielsen, we should be leaving traces of ourselves behind everywhere we go,
whether we have anything useful to contribute or not.

He says that "only" 5% of internet users have their own weblogs, as if
that's a requirement. Even "worse" is that "only" 0.1% of users post every
day. So it's not enough to use the internet as a tool; we also have a
responsibility to report in on a daily basis.

Because there's a fairly consistent 1% participation on each website or
blog, he seems to think that it's the same 1% everywhere, as if the guy who
contributes all those Amazon reviews is also writing all the Wikipedia
articles, and commenting on all the blogs. Those are all different people. I
think the useful way to look at this is to know the percentage of internet
users that contribute to *any* website. That percentage would be much
higher. It's okay to contribute to some sites and just read others. In fact,
it's okay not to contribute at all.

He cites Amazon throughout the article, and his analysis is wrong in every
respect. He puts this in bold: "A quick glance at Amazon.com, for example,
showed that the site had sold thousands of copies of a book that had only 12
reviews, meaning that *less than 1% of customers contribute reviews*."

Which goes to show that just because you know how to calculate a percentage
doesn't mean that you know what it means. What that figure actually means is
that 1% of the customers who bought that book reviewed that book. It's
possible to buy ten books and only review one; you don't have to review
every single book that you buy in order to be a contributor. That percentage
also ignores things like people who bought multiple copies of the book as
gifts.

Having set the bar for participation on Amazon fairly high, he then gives a
pat on the back to Netflix: "Netflix lets users rate movies by clicking a
star rating, which is much easier than writing a natural-language review."
Which is true, and that's a good point -- but Amazon has a star rating too.
You can click on "Rate this Item" on any page.

Nielsen goes on to say, "Even better, let users participate with zero effort
by making their contributions a side effect of something else they're doing.
For example, Amazon's *"people who bought this book, bought these other
books"* recommendations are a side effect of people buying books."

So, despite his complaints that Amazon is an example of "participation
inequity", it seems like the site is actually providing a rich network of
ways that customers can participate. Sure, only a select few are going to
take the time to write a whole review and then post it on the internet for
everyone to see. But there's lots of other ways to contribute -- rating
whether a review was helpful or not, rating each book, making "lists". Even
the act of browsing and buying books is recorded, to use as recommendations
for others -- which means that Amazon's participation rate is 100%.

In general, Nielsen doesn't understand contributors. We don't do it because
we think we have to. If we had to write a book report every time we bought
something on Amazon, we'd go back to buying books at Borders. We're not
getting paid for it -- in fact, we're paying Amazon for the book. We're
customers, not slacker employees, and we don't have to help if we don't want
to.

We participate because it's fun, and we want to show off. We're
self-absorbed enough to think that other people will be interested in what
we have to say. And besides, we like writing one of the six reviews on an
Amazon page. If there were a thousand reviews for every single book, we
wouldn't waste our time writing review #1,001. We want to write review #1,
or at least review #10, because then we'll know that other people are
reading what we write.

So in other words, Jakob Nielsen has no idea what he's talking about. I'd
tell him so, but there doesn't seem to be a way to leave comments on his
page. The hypocrite.

-- Danny
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 26 15:50:43 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:50:43 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
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> So in other words, Jakob Nielsen has no idea what he's talking about. I'd
> tell him so, but there doesn't seem to be a way to leave comments on his
> page. The hypocrite.

Nielson's contact details are right at the bottom of the front page. He's 
reachable by email - I've done so myself.

As for his message . . . for his audience, I think he's pretty much spot on. 
He is writing for specific customers - the people who run websites, often 
large, content-based ones. It is typically viewed as advantageous *to the 
site owner* to have people contributing as much as possible in as many ways 
as possible. If you can make it so that everyone contributes reviews all the 
time, your site will probably be more attractive to potential users than 
another site where only 10% of users write reviews, or they only do so 10% 
of the time. More content is assumed to be better, even if it is not all of 
a high quality, just as long as it is on average not of _negative_ quality 
such that it that detracts from the site. If you can find a method to 
promote good content to the top of the pile, or to take advantage of the 
people who do not deliberately contribute and have them make stealth 
contributions, that is a bonus, and counteracts some of the negatives (for 
example, people not wanting to contribute quality work because they feel 
they will be lost in the mass may desire to if they see they have a chance 
to be promoted to the top - this would be "Featured articles" on Wikipedia 
and elsewhere).

If you are running a site where, say, personal opinions or personal 
knowledge/experiences form a large part of the content, I would say that it 
is generally best to have as many people giving them as possible. This 
assumes that everyone's contributions have positive value, or at least that 
the end result of any random assortment of contributors is likely to be 
positive. This is highly debatable, but most wikis are setup is to assume 
that - and wikis have been quite successful in delivering sites with lots of 
useful information. On highly specific topics where there is specialized 
knowledge, it may not be the case; indeed, this has been a concern for many 
Wikipedia articles, and some Wikia sites. At that point, people often try to 
limit or bias contributions towards experts, with varying success.

It is possible to have really good high-quality sites that have very few 
contributors on a well-defined topic. For example, this guy (alone) does 
webcam reviews and is very highly rated for them:
http://cowboyfrank.net/webcams/index.htm
However, if the topic is popular enough, they tend to be overcome in the end 
by the sheer mass of content offered by the sites that have those 1001 
reviews (or articles, or whatever). MSN is a popular site in part because, 
even though it may not have the utmost experts on any particular topic, it 
has a lot of "pretty good" content on a lot of topics. Similarly, Amazon 
isn't the place to go for consistently good webcam reviews, but it _does_ 
have an awful lot of them, and they usually average out to a good estimation 
of a camera's capabilities.

Oh, and you do have a responsibility to report in every day. Otherwise, 
you're not giving as much to the community as you could be. Stop slacking! 
:-)

---
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry 



From toughpigs at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 16:07:47 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:07:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
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I agree that more reviews is good -- but more customers buying books is even
better. If your attitude about your customers is that they're not doing
enough volunteer work for you, then you're going to make bad decisions that
may end up alienating both the reviewers and the book-buyers.

On Wikia, the money is made by people who are looking at the pages and
clicking on the ads. Therefore, you want to encourage people to create a
wiki that gets more eyeballs on the page.

SWFanon has 100 contributors, so at a 70.3% ratio, that's about 143 readers
a month.

Dofus has 55 contributors, so at a 3.2% ratio, that's about 1,718 readers a
month.

Dofus brings in more readers, and therefore more potential click-through. So
why does Angela's post imply that SWFanon is at the top of the list of
successful wikis, and Dofus is at the bottom?

-- Danny


On 1/26/07, Laurence Parry <greenreaper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So in other words, Jakob Nielsen has no idea what he's talking about.
> I'd
> > tell him so, but there doesn't seem to be a way to leave comments on his
> > page. The hypocrite.
>
> Nielson's contact details are right at the bottom of the front page. He's
> reachable by email - I've done so myself.
>
> As for his message . . . for his audience, I think he's pretty much spot
> on.
> He is writing for specific customers - the people who run websites, often
> large, content-based ones. It is typically viewed as advantageous *to the
> site owner* to have people contributing as much as possible in as many
> ways
> as possible. If you can make it so that everyone contributes reviews all
> the
> time, your site will probably be more attractive to potential users than
> another site where only 10% of users write reviews, or they only do so 10%
> of the time. More content is assumed to be better, even if it is not all
> of
> a high quality, just as long as it is on average not of _negative_ quality
> such that it that detracts from the site. If you can find a method to
> promote good content to the top of the pile, or to take advantage of the
> people who do not deliberately contribute and have them make stealth
> contributions, that is a bonus, and counteracts some of the negatives (for
> example, people not wanting to contribute quality work because they feel
> they will be lost in the mass may desire to if they see they have a chance
> to be promoted to the top - this would be "Featured articles" on Wikipedia
> and elsewhere).
>
> If you are running a site where, say, personal opinions or personal
> knowledge/experiences form a large part of the content, I would say that
> it
> is generally best to have as many people giving them as possible. This
> assumes that everyone's contributions have positive value, or at least
> that
> the end result of any random assortment of contributors is likely to be
> positive. This is highly debatable, but most wikis are setup is to assume
> that - and wikis have been quite successful in delivering sites with lots
> of
> useful information. On highly specific topics where there is specialized
> knowledge, it may not be the case; indeed, this has been a concern for
> many
> Wikipedia articles, and some Wikia sites. At that point, people often try
> to
> limit or bias contributions towards experts, with varying success.
>
> It is possible to have really good high-quality sites that have very few
> contributors on a well-defined topic. For example, this guy (alone) does
> webcam reviews and is very highly rated for them:
> http://cowboyfrank.net/webcams/index.htm
> However, if the topic is popular enough, they tend to be overcome in the
> end
> by the sheer mass of content offered by the sites that have those 1001
> reviews (or articles, or whatever). MSN is a popular site in part because,
> even though it may not have the utmost experts on any particular topic, it
> has a lot of "pretty good" content on a lot of topics. Similarly, Amazon
> isn't the place to go for consistently good webcam reviews, but it _does_
> have an awful lot of them, and they usually average out to a good
> estimation
> of a camera's capabilities.
>
> Oh, and you do have a responsibility to report in every day. Otherwise,
> you're not giving as much to the community as you could be. Stop slacking!
> :-)
>
> ---
> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
>
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 26 16:46:31 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
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> Dofus brings in more readers, and therefore more potential click-through. 
> So
> why does Angela's post imply that SWFanon is at the top of the list of
> successful wikis, and Dofus is at the bottom?

One explanation (and I don't know if it's the right one, only Angela could 
really say) would be because she takes the view that a big part of "success" 
for Wikia is based on developing communities of contributors rather than on 
visitors' ad clickthrough. It's a point of view that is not necessarily the 
right one for business success, but then nor is one based on hit count - or 
even on the number of articles. It may not be one that is shared by the 
individual site contributors, many of whom will want their contributons to 
be read as much as they want other people to contribute to it.

Only Wikia knows what the ratio of visitors to ad clickthrough is for each 
site - without that, we can't know what sites are profitable (or, more 
likely even at this stage, "less unprofitable"), and even that wouldn't tell 
us which one is the "better" site. After all, ads have to be more 
interesting than the content, so in theory a higher ad clickthrough means 
that the site isn't doing well enough at delivering relevant content to the 
user.

To take a different view on the same issue: I'm sure Wikipedia's pages on 
the Muppets get a huge number of hits - probably more than Muppet Wiki as a 
whole, given that they're one of the top Google hits for it. Does it make 
Wikipedia a better Muppet site? I wouldn't say so - not for all visitors, 
anyway. It gives a good overview, like furry fandom's articles on Wikipedia, 
and that may be enough for a lot of visitors. But if you want the details, 
you go to somewhere like the Muppet Wiki - a site that almost certainly has 
a larger ratio of contributors to viewers than Wikipedia's Muppet articles. 
It's a different audience, and that's probably for the best, because having 
Wikia compete directly with Wikipedia's readers is a losing proposition.

(The above might actually mean that ads would be more successful on 
Wikipedia than on Wikia for any given page. No idea if that's actually true 
or not, and I doubt Wikipedians are interested in testing. :-)

---
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry 



From toughpigs at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 18:02:30 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:02:30 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
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> One explanation (and I don't know if it's the right one, only Angela could
> really say) would be because she takes the view that a big part of
> "success"
> for Wikia is based on developing communities of contributors rather than
> on
> visitors' ad clickthrough.



I agree that you need to build a community of contributors to make a
successful wiki. What I'm saying is that once you hit a certain threshold --
let's say, 12 active contributors a month, to choose an arbitrary number --
then you've done that job. Any wiki that gets at least 12 contributors a
month is going to be active and self-sustaining.

We've got a nice collection of those right now -- Star Wars, Memory Alpha,
Wikiality, Furry, Runescape, Dofus, Halo, Muppet Wiki, Transformers,
Ewrestling, Zelda, Inheritance. Those are successful sites that are each
building on their contributor base, slowly but consistently.

For those sites, I don't think it makes sense to imply that they're not
doing enough to build their contributor base. Those are the best sites, the
most successful and the most popular. Wikia should be looking at what those
sites are doing right and adapting from those models, rather than
criticizing them for not doing enough.

Dofus is in the top ten English language sites on Wikia. They have 55 active
contributors, and over 5,000 pages. They make hundreds of edits a day. And
on top of that, they attract more than ten times the number of readers that
SWfanon does.

I think to imply that Dofus isn't doing a good enough job of attracting a
productive community of contributors is insulting -- to those hard-working
contributors, and to the other wikis that are pulling off similar magical
feats.

Earlier in this conversation, Scott said that it was nice to know that
Muppet Wiki was attracting so many readers. Angela said to Scott: "In some
ways it is encouraging, but at the same time, you should think about why
they're not involved in the project."

To which I have to say: We should do what now? Are you seriously telling us
-- not just me and Scott, but also Star Wars, Memory Alpha, Dofus and all
the rest -- that we need to "think about" why we're not attracting enough
contributors? And you're suggesting that the model we should aspire to is
SWfanon, which can't attract any *readers*?

As always, I find the Wikia understanding of "community" to be fairly
suspect. In my wiki's community, we compliment and encourage our most active
contributors. We don't insult them.

-- Danny
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From jwales at wikia.com  Sat Jan 27 09:42:17 2007
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Danny Horn wrote:
> For those sites, I don't think it makes sense to imply that they're not
> doing enough to build their contributor base. Those are the best sites, the
> most successful and the most popular. Wikia should be looking at what those
> sites are doing right and adapting from those models, rather than
> criticizing them for not doing enough.

Absolutely!  I missed the start of this thread so I am not sure what was 
said, but I can tell you that I absolutely think that the sites that you 
listed are fabulous.  I often use Muppet Wikia as an example in my 
public talks as an example of what I really love about good wiki 
communities... friendly helpful people doing something they love in a 
spirit of helpfulness.

> Earlier in this conversation, Scott said that it was nice to know that
> Muppet Wiki was attracting so many readers. Angela said to Scott: "In some
> ways it is encouraging, but at the same time, you should think about why
> they're not involved in the project."

I think everything is fine at Muppet Wikia.  I don't think Angela meant 
this in the way you took it.  :)

I think it is always good for all of us in good communities to think 
about some meta-issues... and to understand that the answers will be 
different for different groups depending on what they are trying to 
accomplish.

I think SWfanon is healthy whether they attract readers or not, as long 
as they are having fun doing something they love.  If their work is 
primarily _for themselves_, that's great... it is really the nature of 
the work they are doing.  At the same time, I am sure they would like to 
have more readers, and so it is worth assessing the site to see if they 
think something not yet noticed is confusing or turning away readers.

The same sort of thing for the Muppet site, where clearly, the site is 
written with loving care for the reader very much in mind.  And the 
number of readers is a measure of that success, and that's fabulous.
And at the same time, without raising any criticism at all, any healthy 
wiki community can ask itself: how can we get more good contributors?

In either sort of site, the answer might be "well, there is nothing we 
want to change, all is well".  Or the answer (for SWFanon) might be 
"hmm, let's make the front page different in such and such a way".  Or 
the answer (for Muppets) might be "Let's modify our meet-and-greet style 
and see what happens".  Or it might be (and is, in my opinion) "all is 
well".

> As always, I find the Wikia understanding of "community" to be fairly
> suspect. In my wiki's community, we compliment and encourage our most 
> active contributors. We don't insult them.

I agree with you completely.  This is one of the things I explain to 
people about the Muppets community and why it is so fabulous.

--Jimbo


From jwales at wikia.com  Sat Jan 27 09:48:55 2007
From: jwales at wikia.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:48:55 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] A small sample of Wikia page views
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Angela wrote:
> We found that exactly 90% of page views were from users who were not
> logged in. Some exceptions to 90-10 rule are:
>          o High:
>                + Star Wars Fanon with 70.3% registered
>                + Central Wikia with 38% - 48% registered
>                + Cybernations with 30.6% registered
>          o Low:
>                + Dofus with 3.2% registered
>                + EVCHK with 3.1% registered
>                + Smallville with 2.6% registered
>                + 24 with 1.8% registered
>                + Spanking Art with 1% registered

This is interesting and seems to fall in line with what I would have 
guessed, with some exceptions.

Wikis which are mostly inwardly focused (in the sense that the community 
writes for the community, rather than on something the general public 
cares about) should have a higher percentage of contributors.

Wikis which are on topics popular with the general public should have a 
lower percentage.  "Spanking Art" is probably a subject which a lot of 
people would be uncomfortable contributing to, but might be curious to 
look at.  "24" is not a subject that people would be uncomfortable 
contributing to, but it gets a lot of pageviews from people who are just 
looking for information.

Pretty neat.


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 16:25:50 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
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Yeah, I absolutely agree that every Wikia can improve, including Muppet Wiki
and all the other active sites. We need to keep building the contributor
base, and come up with new ideas for how to get more people involved. And
obviously, I appreciate the nice things that you're saying about our site,
and I know that that applies to the other active sites too.

My real point is that if we want to help Wikia sites to grow, then we need
to be looking in the right direction. I think if you look at the main
statistics pages, it's easy to see which sites are growing -- and if you
compare those sites, it's not hard to draw conclusions about what works and
what doesn't.

For example, it seems to me that wikis that start with a single founder tend
to fail, while wikis that start with a group of two or three friends working
together tend to succeed. It's a lot of work getting a wiki started, and
it's easy to get discouraged if you're the only person getting it all set
up. If you have a group of friends working together, then that gets you
through the early days until you can attract new contributors.

If my observation on that is true, then that can have an impact on Wikia's
structure. You might decide to change the application process -- a new wiki
has to have three co-founders to get approved, rather than one.

Now, that chain of reasoning starts with paying attention to the successful
sites -- not just saying, great, those guys are doing well, but really
looking closely at how the sites work, and what they're doing.

So I was dismayed yesterday to see that Angela is looking in the wrong
direction. If the numbers seem to show that SWfanon is doing a better job
than Dofus, then those numbers aren't helpful -- and Angela isn't paying
attention to what's actually happening on the Wikia sites.

I'm concerned that that Jakob Nielsen article is also pointing people in the
wrong direction. The whole concept of "participation inequality" is
seriously flawed, and I would question any conclusions that are drawn from
that premise.

Essentially, "inequality" means that something isn't fair. Nielsen says:
"Obviously, if you want to assess the 'feelings of the community' it's
highly unfair if one subgroup's 19,000 members have the same representation
as another subgroup's 580,000 members."

Now, what does it mean that that's "unfair"? Who exactly is responsible for
this unfair situation? It can't be the site owners -- Wikipedia or Amazon or
whoever. They've set up a system that allows everybody to participate
equally. So there's two other parties who might make this "unfair" -- the 1%
of users who participate all the time, and the 90% of "lurkers" who don't
participate at all.

Nielsen definitely has unflattering things to say about the most active 1%.
He says that "it can seem as if they don't have lives". He says that "people
who post only when they have something important to say will be drowned out
by the torrent of material from the hyperactive 1%." He warns, "Don't give
too much to the most active participants, or you'll simply encourage them to
dominate the system even more."

That attitude has definite implications for Wikia, because your hyperactive,
over-dominating participants with no lives... are the people who create and
manage the wikis. Me, and the other wiki founders -- we're your 1%.

Then there's the 90% majority, who are also responsible for the
"inequality". They're getting a free ride, "lurking" on your sites. They're
not giving you the feedback that you need, they're not standing up to
represent themselves, and they're screwing up the search engines by not
writing enough blog posts. Essentially, they're parasites, taking advantage
of other people's contributions without adding anything themselves.

I know that Nielsen's point is that the site design should change to make it
easier for people to participate, and I agree with that on the most basic
level. However, I'm suspicious of any recommendations that start with the
premise that your most active participants are hyperactive losers, and the
majority of your readers are free-riding parasites. Nielsen doesn't have a
single nice thing to say about either contributors or readers. He shows no
interest in seeing things from the customer's point of view.

So I don't like the idea that Wikia is being influenced by that line of
thinking. If you want to know how to make Wikia better, don't listen to the
guy who devalues your contributors and your readers. Watch what's happening
on the successful sites, and draw your conclusions from there.


-- Danny
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