From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 03:29:23 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:29:23 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] sorttable tables
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha,

I recently discovered a neat feature in use at Wikipedia for sorting tables
by data via javascript. Take a gander...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_state

I'd like to try this at Muppet Wiki, but I can't seem to figure out how
they're doing it. The table is calling on class="wikitable sortable", but I
can't find where it's defined in either Wikipedia's Monobook or Common CSS
or JS files.

I was not too long ago able to apply a show/hide script from Memory Alpha as
seen here...
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Mildred_Huxtetter

...which I thought worked out pretty well. This sorttable table script
appears to be a more complex situation. If I'm right, I might be halfway
there though. I'm guessing this code...
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/sorttable.js?view=markup&pathrev=17803

...can be saved in its own sorttable.js file, but I'm not sure how to call
that up in an existing Mediawiki file on Muppet. I'm guessing somewhere in
Monobook.js, but I'm not sure. Or I could be way off track, and maybe don't
even have the proper permissions to do it.

If it's not already being used on Wikia, I could see its benefits on such
lists as this one...
http://wikis.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Wikia_wikis

Anyone got any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

-Scott
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From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 08:27:48 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:27:48 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] sorttable tables
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703050027g7ca6e4b2t229c0891e89357fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Aloha,
>
> I recently discovered a neat feature in use at Wikipedia for sorting tables
> by data via javascript. Take a gander...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_state

Have you tried copying sorttable.js into monobook.js or common.js to
see if it works that way? (Not as a long term solution but to quickly
see if it works with Wikia).

Angela


From datrio at wikia.com  Mon Mar  5 09:08:43 2007
From: datrio at wikia.com (Dariusz Siedlecki)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:08:43 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] sorttable tables
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <283332d20703050108t6872fa2et3756d4daa62597ee@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Aloha,
>
> I recently discovered a neat feature in use at Wikipedia for sorting tables
> by data via javascript. Take a gander...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_state
>
> I'd like to try this at Muppet Wiki, but I can't seem to figure out how
> they're doing it. The table is calling on class="wikitable sortable", but I
> can't find where it's defined in either Wikipedia's Monobook or Common CSS
> or JS files.
>
> I was not too long ago able to apply a show/hide script from Memory Alpha as
> seen here...
> http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Mildred_Huxtetter
>
> ...which I thought worked out pretty well. This sorttable table script
> appears to be a more complex situation. If I'm right, I might be halfway
> there though. I'm guessing this code...
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/sorttable.js?view=markup&pathrev=17803
>
> ...can be saved in its own sorttable.js file, but I'm not sure how to call
> that up in an existing Mediawiki file on Muppet. I'm guessing somewhere in
> Monobook.js, but I'm not sure. Or I could be way off track, and maybe don't
> even have the proper permissions to do it.
>
> If it's not already being used on Wikia, I could see its benefits on such
> lists as this one...
> http://wikis.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Wikia_wikis
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -Scott

Copy the following five lines to your User:Username/monobook.js or
MediaWiki:Common.js/Monobook.js:

 var url = 'http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sortables.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s';
 var scriptElem = document.createElement( 'script' );
 scriptElem.setAttribute( 'src' , url );
 scriptElem.setAttribute( 'type' , 'text/javascript' );
 document.getElementsByTagName( 'head' )[0].appendChild( scriptElem );

(If the text is garbled, just copy the contents of
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Datrio/monobook.js)

Clear your cache and then just add the class "sortable" to the table
you want to make... sortable! Tested and works for me, if you'll have
any problems, just give me a shout.

-- 
Pozdrawiam,
Dariusz Siedlecki


From afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp  Tue Mar  6 22:48:17 2007
From: afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp (Afker Aih)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:48:17 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Wikia-l] sorttable tables
In-Reply-To: <283332d20703050108t6872fa2et3756d4daa62597ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070306224817.61926.qmail@web3704.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>

<shouting>Can you take a look at [[w:c:AliceSoft:Sandbox]]
and tell me what I did wrong?  I put the 5 lines of code
in both MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Monobook.js, and
couldn't see changes in Firefox after clearing cache.
</shouting>

-Afker

--- Dariusz Siedlecki <datrio at wikia.com> wrote:
> Copy the following five lines to your
> User:Username/monobook.js or
> MediaWiki:Common.js/Monobook.js:
> 
>  var url =
>
'http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sortables.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s';
>  var scriptElem = document.createElement( 'script'
> );
>  scriptElem.setAttribute( 'src' , url );
>  scriptElem.setAttribute( 'type' , 'text/javascript'
> );
>  document.getElementsByTagName( 'head'
> )[0].appendChild( scriptElem );
> 
> (If the text is garbled, just copy the contents of
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Datrio/monobook.js)
> 
> Clear your cache and then just add the class
> "sortable" to the table
> you want to make... sortable! Tested and works for
> me, if you'll have
> any problems, just give me a shout.
> 
> -- 
> Pozdrawiam,
> Dariusz Siedlecki


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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Mar  7 21:13:35 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:13:35 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site's a bit slow right now...
Message-ID: <45EF2AFF.5070502@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

Site's a bit slow right now. We're working on it.

Thanks,
John Q.




From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 00:37:34 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:37:34 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site's a bit slow right now...
In-Reply-To: <45EF2AFF.5070502@wikia.com>
References: <45EF2AFF.5070502@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703071637qe04006v6cc91c7745ece61d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the head's up, John.

On a similar note, how long should it take for new pages to be indexed in
the search?

I'm not picking up any new pages going as far back as four days. For
example, if I search for Curtil, I should get Emmanuel Curtil, but nothing
comes up.

Thanks,
Scott


On 3/7/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Site's a bit slow right now. We're working on it.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Thu Mar  8 01:10:53 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:10:53 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] site's a bit slow right now...
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703071637qe04006v6cc91c7745ece61d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EF2AFF.5070502@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703071637qe04006v6cc91c7745ece61d@mail.gmail.com>
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 23:55:34 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:55:34 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] sorttable tables
In-Reply-To: <283332d20703050108t6872fa2et3756d4daa62597ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
	<283332d20703050108t6872fa2et3756d4daa62597ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703081555r596e7348wbaf19f50317777d6@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Dariusz! It seems to be behaving as it should, I'm just trying to
work out the kinks.

Does anyone know if there's a way to exempt one row of the table from being
sortable?

-Scott


On 3/5/07, Dariusz Siedlecki <datrio at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/5/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Aloha,
> >
> > I recently discovered a neat feature in use at Wikipedia for sorting
> tables
> > by data via javascript. Take a gander...
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_state
> >
> > I'd like to try this at Muppet Wiki, but I can't seem to figure out how
> > they're doing it. The table is calling on class="wikitable sortable",
> but I
> > can't find where it's defined in either Wikipedia's Monobook or Common
> CSS
> > or JS files.
> >
> > I was not too long ago able to apply a show/hide script from Memory
> Alpha as
> > seen here...
> > http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Mildred_Huxtetter
> >
> > ...which I thought worked out pretty well. This sorttable table script
> > appears to be a more complex situation. If I'm right, I might be halfway
> > there though. I'm guessing this code...
> >
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/sorttable.js?view=markup&pathrev=17803
> >
> > ...can be saved in its own sorttable.js file, but I'm not sure how to
> call
> > that up in an existing Mediawiki file on Muppet. I'm guessing somewhere
> in
> > Monobook.js, but I'm not sure. Or I could be way off track, and maybe
> don't
> > even have the proper permissions to do it.
> >
> > If it's not already being used on Wikia, I could see its benefits on
> such
> > lists as this one...
> > http://wikis.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Wikia_wikis
> >
> > Anyone got any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -Scott
>
> Copy the following five lines to your User:Username/monobook.js or
> MediaWiki:Common.js/Monobook.js:
>
> var url = '
> http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sortables.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s
> ';
> var scriptElem = document.createElement( 'script' );
> scriptElem.setAttribute( 'src' , url );
> scriptElem.setAttribute( 'type' , 'text/javascript' );
> document.getElementsByTagName( 'head' )[0].appendChild( scriptElem );
>
> (If the text is garbled, just copy the contents of
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Datrio/monobook.js)
>
> Clear your cache and then just add the class "sortable" to the table
> you want to make... sortable! Tested and works for me, if you'll have
> any problems, just give me a shout.
>
> --
> Pozdrawiam,
> Dariusz Siedlecki
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From angela at wikia.com  Sun Mar 11 18:41:27 2007
From: angela at wikia.com (Angela Beesley)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:41:27 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Don't tell Emil - we're stealing Dariusz :)
Message-ID: <8b722b800703111141q2730191fwf148235a10feec7d@mail.gmail.com>

I'm pleased to announce that Dariusz Siedlecki (Datrio) will be
joining Wikia's Community Team this week.

Dariusz has worked with Wikia's Technical Team since Wikia Poland was
founded. He has been editing Wikipedia for over two years and has a
lot of experience with wiki communities and is also the executive
secretary of Wikimedia Poland. We're excited to show another
opportunity for staff to get new opportunities within Wikia.

As a member of the Community Team, Dariusz will provide a vital link
to the technical team and be the go-to person for all the small issues
you've been wishing would get fixed!

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From rg.bacs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 19:41:31 2007
From: rg.bacs at gmail.com (Rafael Giusti)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:41:31 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Help with Wikia configuration
Message-ID: <3ef4ccf90703141241kfc1e497u5431eb6b0c2dbdd8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, everyone,

I am co-founding a Wikia called Programa??o Wikia (programacao.wikia.com). I
have read many how-tos in the Central Wikia, but I'm still left with a few
doubts, namely:

1. How can I change the sidebar (the leftmost menu, I guess) of "my" Wikia?

2. How can I change the look of the Recent changes page, as it has been done
with the Brazillian Wikipedia at
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Recentchanges?

3. Can I configure a Wikia to ignore case-sensitivity; or, at least, to
ignore the first character's case?

I hope I'm not missing the real purpose of this list, but I couldn't find
answers elsewhere.

Thanks!
rg

-- 
Rafael Giusti
Bach. em Ci?ncias da Computa??o - BS CS
Univ. de S. Paulo - USP
Inst. de Ci?ncias Matem?ticas e de Computa??o - ICMC
S. Carlos/SP/Brasil
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From beesley at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 19:48:24 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:48:24 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Help with Wikia configuration
In-Reply-To: <3ef4ccf90703141241kfc1e497u5431eb6b0c2dbdd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ef4ccf90703141241kfc1e497u5431eb6b0c2dbdd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703141248u4ceeb2d8q8653f84712548a24@mail.gmail.com>

> 1. How can I change the sidebar (the leftmost menu, I guess) of "my" Wikia?

Any admin can edit that here:
http://programacao.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar

See http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Sidebar

> 2. How can I change the look of the Recent changes page, as it has been done
> with the Brazillian Wikipedia at
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Recentchanges?

You can edit that http://programacao.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Recentchangestext

See http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Recentchangestext for
Wikipedia's version.

> 3. Can I configure a Wikia to ignore case-sensitivity; or, at least, to
> ignore the first character's case?

I think you should find that the first characters case is already ignored.
http://programacao.wikia.com/wiki/example is the same page as
http://programacao.wikia.com/wiki/Example
Is that what you meant?

> I hope I'm not missing the real purpose of this list, but I couldn't find
> answers elsewhere.

Don't worry  - asking questions is a great use for this list.

See http://programacao.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Allmessages for other
parts of the interface that you can edit.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp  Thu Mar 15 09:58:45 2007
From: afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp (Afker Aih)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:58:45 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Wikia-l] Help with Wikia configuration
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800703141248u4ceeb2d8q8653f84712548a24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070315095845.49826.qmail@web3702.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>

Speaking of the sidebar, the headings ("Navigation" etc)
are somehow all converted to lower case in the default
Monobook skin.  I noticed their case is preserved in the
other skins (well, at least the ones that show the
sidebar).

I'm not well-versed in MediaWiki skins.  Is there a way I
can mess with either the Monobook.css or .js file to make
the headings respect capitalization?

Thanks.

-Afker


ps. I just noticed in my preferences there is a
"MonoBook072106" skin and a "MonoBook_backup", both
actually appears to look the "Classic" skin instead of
Monobook.


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From datrio at wikia.com  Thu Mar 15 10:05:35 2007
From: datrio at wikia.com (Dariusz Siedlecki)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:05:35 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Help with Wikia configuration
In-Reply-To: <20070315095845.49826.qmail@web3702.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>
References: <8b722b800703141248u4ceeb2d8q8653f84712548a24@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070315095845.49826.qmail@web3702.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>
Message-ID: <283332d20703150305s39205c40wf1171200ab352269@mail.gmail.com>

Just add the following to your Monobook.css:

.portlet h5 {
 text-transform: none;
}

This will turn off the conversion at all. If you want every heading to
be capitalized, just put:

.portlet h5 {
 text-transform: capitalize;
}

On 3/15/07, Afker Aih <afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp> wrote:
> Speaking of the sidebar, the headings ("Navigation" etc)
> are somehow all converted to lower case in the default
> Monobook skin.  I noticed their case is preserved in the
> other skins (well, at least the ones that show the
> sidebar).
>
> I'm not well-versed in MediaWiki skins.  Is there a way I
> can mess with either the Monobook.css or .js file to make
> the headings respect capitalization?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Afker
>
>
> ps. I just noticed in my preferences there is a
> "MonoBook072106" skin and a "MonoBook_backup", both
> actually appears to look the "Classic" skin instead of
> Monobook.
>
>
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> http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/auction/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
Pozdrawiam,
Dariusz Siedlecki


From beesley at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 00:12:27 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:12:27 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia Contact Mail - Time
In-Reply-To: <200703160005.l2G05512000684@ap3.sjc.wikia-inc.com>
References: <200703160005.l2G05512000684@ap3.sjc.wikia-inc.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703151712s3ac53724s56fa278cf50eb326@mail.gmail.com>

> The time on the wikis haven't gone ahead an hour,
> I made an edit at 8 PM eastern and the recent
> changes said 0:00 UTC. Which it is supposed
> to be 1:00 UTC. The purpose is ever since day
> lights saving the wikis clocks haven't gone ahead.

I thought I'd point this out since others may have noticed the same
thing. Wikia's clocks are set to UTC. If you are not in UTC, and
especially if you have recently entered daylight savings time, you may
need to visit your preferences to set the correct time if you want
things like recent changes and page histories (but not signatures) to
display your local time.

You can set this at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences -
click the "date and time tab" and the "fill in from browser" button
should set you to the right time (assuming your own computer's clock
is correct). Then click save.

Whilst you're there, did you know...
- you can receive email notifications for changes made to your talk
page or to pages on your watchlist?

- you can choose to edit pages on double click?

- you can add all pages you create to your watchlist?

- you can auto-number headings?

Try it at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences :)

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From robinp at xtra.co.nz  Fri Mar 16 03:38:13 2007
From: robinp at xtra.co.nz (Robin Patterson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:38:13 +1300
Subject: [Wikia-l] "You have new messages" still not working properly
References: <45EF2AFF.5070502@wikia.com><3b6cf93a0703071637qe04006v6cc91c7745ece61d@mail.gmail.com>
	<45EF629D.2070305@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c767ce$fa9c0000$489237d2@633>

Angela sent me an email about LOTR, and all is now fixed, with a new sysop appointed (though I'm not sure if consent was obtained).

However, it was reported that a message had been put on my talk page. It had - but I was getting no message about it.

http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Angela#LOTR_Wiki

[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, 88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua 6006 New Zealand
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 22:08:32 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:08:32 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703161508r1f77fb0bt78254f75396f1f83@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Are we in a maintenance window? The site's pretty slow right now.

Thanks,
-S
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Mar 16 22:14:13 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:14:13 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703161508r1f77fb0bt78254f75396f1f83@mail.gmail.com>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Mar 16 23:06:43 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:06:43 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Can you help us...
Message-ID: <45FB2303.9070806@wikia.com>

... by telling us what you think?

If you have a few minutes (there are only 9 questions) we'd love to hear 
a bit about how we've been doing and what's important to you. I've 
included a link to a survey below...

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=797613364271


Thanks!
John Q.




From scarecroe at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 02:30:21 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:30:21 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Can you help us...
In-Reply-To: <45FB2303.9070806@wikia.com>
References: <45FB2303.9070806@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703161930n6d8c6365h2726b3c6bd585dc@mail.gmail.com>

Would you like this distributed to the rest of the community, or is this
just for mailing list subscribers?

-S

On 3/16/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> ... by telling us what you think?
>
> If you have a few minutes (there are only 9 questions) we'd love to hear
> a bit about how we've been doing and what's important to you. I've
> included a link to a survey below...
>
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=797613364271
>
>
> Thanks!
> John Q.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 02:37:03 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:37:03 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Can you help us...
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703161930n6d8c6365h2726b3c6bd585dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45FB2303.9070806@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703161930n6d8c6365h2726b3c6bd585dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703161937g894a1c7s6e1e57ce13d3b542@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/17/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Would you like this distributed to the rest of the community, or is this
> just for mailing list subscribers?

It's for everyone. It's also advertised in the "Wikia messages"
section of the sidebar.

Angela


From johnq at wikia.com  Sat Mar 17 03:52:00 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:52:00 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Can you help us...
Message-ID: <20070317035203.0558E19F036D@ut4.sjc.wikia-inc.com>

Hi Scott,

Yes, please....  The more the merrier!

John Q.


-----Original Message-----

From:  "Scott Hanson" <scarecroe at gmail.com>
Subj:  Re: [Wikia-l] Can you help us...
Date:  Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:30 pm
Size:  1K
To:  "Central Wikia Mailing List" <wikia-l at wikia.com>

Would you like this distributed to the rest of the community, or is this just for mailing list subscribers?
 
 -S

 On 3/16/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote: ... by telling us what you think?

If you have a few minutes (there are only 9 questions) wed love to hear 
a bit about how weve been doing and whats important to you. Ive
included a link to a survey below...

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=797613364271 


Thanks!
John Q.


_______________________________________________
Wikia-l mailing list
Wikia-l at wikia.com
 http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l


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From bennett at peacefire.org  Sun Mar 18 00:00:13 2007
From: bennett at peacefire.org (Bennett Haselton)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:00:13 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] purpose served by anonymity / unmoderated edits?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070317163445.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>

I'm writing an article (possibly for Slashdot) about the alternative models 
for Citizendium vs. Wikipedia and how they pertain to the Essjay 
controversy.  It's not so much about Essjay as about the more general 
merits of anonymous / unmoderated edits, versus identity verification and 
change moderation, and how Essjay illustrated a flaw in one approach.

I support anonymity and pseudonymity as a First Amendment right but I'm 
trying to see what goal it actually serves with respect to Wikipedia.  In 
the last article:
http://slashdot.org/articles/07/02/07/1442229.shtml
I identified what I thought were four distinct purposes that an online 
encyclopedia or pseudo-encyclopedia could serve:

1. A source of information about pop culture that can be fun to read even 
without being 100% sure that it's accurate
2. A source of information that can be freely and legally redistributed, 
e.g. by printing out copies for a class to read
3. A source of information on subjects where you need to be close to 100% 
certain that the information is reliable -- at least as certain, say, as 
you would be if you read the same fact in several books
4. A source of information that you can cite in a school paper as being 
reasonably authoritative and reliable

and it seems that anonymity doesn't affect #1 or #2, and actually hinders 
#3 and #4.  Is there some counter-argument in favor of anonymous and 
unmoderated edits?

There is, of course, the fact that some people may want to be anonymous, 
and it's a choice between having them help anonymously or not getting their 
help at all.  I see no reason why you couldn't have anonymous contributors 
help to build up an article -- however, in order to make the article 
credible, I think someone with verifiable credentials should sign off on 
it, and be able to prevent further changes without their 
approval.  (Citizendium is arguing for verifying identities of all 
contributors, not just the editors.  I think that would be erring too far 
in the other direction -- to make an article credible, you only need to 
verify the credentials of the people who vouch for its accuracy, not the 
credentials of every person who helped build it.)

	-Bennett

bennett at peacefire.org     http://www.peacefire.org
(425) 497 9002



From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 18 00:49:25 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:49:25 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] purpose served by anonymity / unmoderated edits?
References: <5.0.2.1.1.20070317163445.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV18F89A2B7B4509BCF04D6AA5770@phx.gbl>

> I'm writing an article (possibly for Slashdot) about the alternative 
> models
> for Citizendium vs. Wikipedia and how they pertain to the Essjay
> controversy.  It's not so much about Essjay as about the more general
> merits of anonymous / unmoderated edits, versus identity verification and
> change moderation, and how Essjay illustrated a flaw in one approach.

This is Wikia-l, not Wikipedia-l. :-)

Speaking for WikiFur, a significant proportion of valuable contributions 
come from anonymous users. Would those contributions come if we forced them 
to sign up first? Perhaps, but perhaps not - and for small communities, 
every user counts. We do not want to risk turning those people away.

You also appear to be assuming that "identified users" are less likely to 
insert misinformation into articles. While this may be true for the most 
blatant cases (i.e. the ones in which anyone even mildly familiar with the 
topic would reject the edit), it is less so when we're talking about the 
details, or about matters of opinion. Indeed, I would say that the more 
sophisticated a user is, the more able they are to bias an article without 
making it obvious that they are doing so.

I think you also believe that Wikipedia is meant to be something that it is 
not. The actual intention is not to be an authoritative source of 
information in and of itself, but to be an authoritative reference *to* 
sources of information. Therefore, 4) does not arise - you should be citing 
Wikipedia's sources, not Wikipedia itself. This extends in part to your 
general argument.

Wikipedia already has policies in place that would result in a very accurate 
encyclopedia. If they were followed to the letter it would have no original 
research - every fact or opinion noted within it would be attributed to a 
specific authority - and all aspects of a given topic would be considered. 
Such articles could be constructed by anyone familiar with the topic. 
However, these policies are often not followed, by all classes of users. In 
particular, original research is added, which does require being an expert, 
and therefore does require identity.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Attribution for more information.

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?"

 



From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 01:25:43 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:25:43 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] purpose served by anonymity / unmoderated edits?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20070317163445.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
References: <5.0.2.1.1.20070317163445.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703171825r77a3dbd8x4e445321d6908f1f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/18/07, Bennett Haselton <bennett at peacefire.org> wrote:
> I'm writing an article (possibly for Slashdot) ...

Firstly, please understand that, despite what Slashdot said in their
last story about Wikia, Wikia is not a for-profit arm of Wikipedia, a
sister project of Wikipedia, and generally not part of Wikipedia or
Wikimedia in any way.

Secondly, what Wikipedia (and other wikis) call "anonymous" users is a
misnomer. When we say "anonymous", we mean someone who has made an
edit whilst they were not logged in. They are not necessarily
anonymous (if they have a fixed IP that identifies them). Conversely,
logged in users are not necesssarily (and often not likely)
non-anonymous. There is no requirement on any Wikimedia or Wikia site
for any user to use their real name or to identify themselves in any
way.

Now I've said that, to answer the question. The biggest advantage of
allowing both unregistered users and anonymous or pseudonymous people
to edit any wiki is that it lowers the barrier to entry and allows you
to more quickly gain editors and build a community who will build the
content. There is no way Wikipedia could have freely created 1.7
million articles in English alone in just 6 years if it was edited
only by people who are prepared to give their real name. Since there
is no scalable means of verification of what people say their real
name is, forcing them to do so is basically pointless, particularly
when it actually has (in my opinion) no advantage since you ought to
trust the processes (peer review, etc) behind the content creation,
not the people behind it.

Check out the realname policies on MeatBallWiki for the other side of
this argument. A lot of people have discussed this issue there for
years and there are definitely some compelling reasons to force wiki
users to use a real name, though personally, I remain unconvinced.

http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?UseRealNames
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?UseRealNamesDiscussion
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?back=CategoryRealNames

Angela


From bennett at peacefire.org  Sun Mar 18 02:39:37 2007
From: bennett at peacefire.org (Bennett Haselton)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:39:37 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] purpose served by anonymity / unmoderated edits?
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800703171825r77a3dbd8x4e445321d6908f1f@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <5.0.2.1.1.20070317163445.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
	<5.0.2.1.1.20070317163445.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070317193417.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>

Sorry for taking this to the wrong list.  I was looking through the list 
directory at http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo and this was the 
closest I could find.  Given what you wrote below it sounds like I 
shouldn't have been looking for the Wikipedia list in that directory anyway 
:)

I'll take my question to that list.  (I do have a response to what you 
wrote but I assume anyone who cares about Wikipedia is on that list 
already, so I'll just post there, to help close the thread here!)

         -Bennett

At 01:25 AM 3/18/2007 +0000, Angela wrote:
>On 3/18/07, Bennett Haselton <bennett at peacefire.org> wrote:
> > I'm writing an article (possibly for Slashdot) ...
>
>Firstly, please understand that, despite what Slashdot said in their
>last story about Wikia, Wikia is not a for-profit arm of Wikipedia, a
>sister project of Wikipedia, and generally not part of Wikipedia or
>Wikimedia in any way.
>
>Secondly, what Wikipedia (and other wikis) call "anonymous" users is a
>misnomer. When we say "anonymous", we mean someone who has made an
>edit whilst they were not logged in. They are not necessarily
>anonymous (if they have a fixed IP that identifies them). Conversely,
>logged in users are not necesssarily (and often not likely)
>non-anonymous. There is no requirement on any Wikimedia or Wikia site
>for any user to use their real name or to identify themselves in any
>way.
>
>Now I've said that, to answer the question. The biggest advantage of
>allowing both unregistered users and anonymous or pseudonymous people
>to edit any wiki is that it lowers the barrier to entry and allows you
>to more quickly gain editors and build a community who will build the
>content. There is no way Wikipedia could have freely created 1.7
>million articles in English alone in just 6 years if it was edited
>only by people who are prepared to give their real name. Since there
>is no scalable means of verification of what people say their real
>name is, forcing them to do so is basically pointless, particularly
>when it actually has (in my opinion) no advantage since you ought to
>trust the processes (peer review, etc) behind the content creation,
>not the people behind it.
>
>Check out the realname policies on MeatBallWiki for the other side of
>this argument. A lot of people have discussed this issue there for
>years and there are definitely some compelling reasons to force wiki
>users to use a real name, though personally, I remain unconvinced.
>
>http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?UseRealNames
>http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?UseRealNamesDiscussion
>http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?back=CategoryRealNames
>
>Angela
>_______________________________________________
>Wikia-l mailing list
>Wikia-l at wikia.com
>http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From katiefromuncyc at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 03:02:57 2007
From: katiefromuncyc at gmail.com (Katie)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:02:57 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] purpose served by anonymity / unmoderated edits?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20070317193417.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
References: <5.0.2.1.1.20070317163445.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
	<5.0.2.1.1.20070317163445.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
	<5.0.2.1.1.20070317193417.0403dbd8@mail.speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <475C41E8-C489-4F60-ABC5-29CAA31362EA@gmail.com>

You'll want to send it to wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org ; wikipedia- 
l @ the same domain is for all the wikipedias, but it is not nearly  
as active as wikien-l. You could also send it to both. :]

--keitei

On Mar 17, 2007, at 22:39, Bennett Haselton wrote:

> Sorry for taking this to the wrong list.  I was looking through the  
> list
> directory at http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo and this was the
> closest I could find.  Given what you wrote below it sounds like I
> shouldn't have been looking for the Wikipedia list in that  
> directory anyway
> :)
>
> I'll take my question to that list.  (I do have a response to what you
> wrote but I assume anyone who cares about Wikipedia is on that list
> already, so I'll just post there, to help close the thread here!)
>
>          -Bennett
>
> At 01:25 AM 3/18/2007 +0000, Angela wrote:
>> On 3/18/07, Bennett Haselton <bennett at peacefire.org> wrote:
>>> I'm writing an article (possibly for Slashdot) ...
>>
>> Firstly, please understand that, despite what Slashdot said in their
>> last story about Wikia, Wikia is not a for-profit arm of Wikipedia, a
>> sister project of Wikipedia, and generally not part of Wikipedia or
>> Wikimedia in any way.
>>
>> Secondly, what Wikipedia (and other wikis) call "anonymous" users  
>> is a
>> misnomer. When we say "anonymous", we mean someone who has made an
>> edit whilst they were not logged in. They are not necessarily
>> anonymous (if they have a fixed IP that identifies them). Conversely,
>> logged in users are not necesssarily (and often not likely)
>> non-anonymous. There is no requirement on any Wikimedia or Wikia site
>> for any user to use their real name or to identify themselves in any
>> way.
>>
>> Now I've said that, to answer the question. The biggest advantage of
>> allowing both unregistered users and anonymous or pseudonymous people
>> to edit any wiki is that it lowers the barrier to entry and allows  
>> you
>> to more quickly gain editors and build a community who will build the
>> content. There is no way Wikipedia could have freely created 1.7
>> million articles in English alone in just 6 years if it was edited
>> only by people who are prepared to give their real name. Since there
>> is no scalable means of verification of what people say their real
>> name is, forcing them to do so is basically pointless, particularly
>> when it actually has (in my opinion) no advantage since you ought to
>> trust the processes (peer review, etc) behind the content creation,
>> not the people behind it.
>>
>> Check out the realname policies on MeatBallWiki for the other side of
>> this argument. A lot of people have discussed this issue there for
>> years and there are definitely some compelling reasons to force wiki
>> users to use a real name, though personally, I remain unconvinced.
>>
>> http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?UseRealNames
>> http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?UseRealNamesDiscussion
>> http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?back=CategoryRealNames
>>
>> Angela
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikia-l mailing list
>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 19:21:24 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:21:24 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] New wikis this week
Message-ID: <8b722b800703191221j47f7c033wfb15684a0e9d896b@mail.gmail.com>

This is a list of wikis created the week beginning March 12. You can
also view this list at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/New_wikis_this_week

We're going to be sending this out every week so you can get an idea
of what's new at Wikia and what sort of topics people are requesting.
If you're interested in any of these, perhaps you could drop in and
see if the new founders need any help.

English

    * American Dad (TV show) http://americandad.wikia.com
    * Mighty Boosh (TV) http://mightyboosh.wikia.com
    * Joomla (software) http://joomla.wikia.com
    * Supreme Commander (game) http://supcom.wikia.com
    * Wakfu (game) http://wakfu.wikia.com
    * Ring (horror film series) http://ring.wikia.com
    * Digital music composition (tech/music) http://midi.wikia.com
    * Web Analytics (tech) http://webanalytics.wikia.com
    * Infections (health) http://infections.wikia.com
    * Freedom Road Socialist Organization (groups) http://frso.wikia.com
    * Kellogg Alumni (groups) http://kelloggalumni.wikia.com
    * F1 (racing) http://f1.wikia.com
    * Dilbert (comic) http://dilbert.wikia.com


Catalan

    * Tennis Taula (table tennis) http://tennistaula.wikia.com
    * Mercat catal? (shopping) http://merccat.wikia.com

Danish

    * Ungdomshuset (punk subculture) http://ungdomshuset.wikia.com

Dutch

    * Hockey Arena (game) http://nl.hockeyarena.wikia.com
    * RuneScape (game) http://nl.runescape.wikia.com
    * LOB (network for science and public administration) http://lob.wikia.com

German

    * Wohnprojekte (cohousing) http://wohnprojekte.wikia.com
    * Motorrad (motorcycles) http://motorrad.wikia.com

Hebrew

    * Shvil (hiking) http://shvil.wikia.com

Italian

    * Friends (TV) http://it.friends.wikia.com
    * Club (nightlife) http://club.wikia.com
    * Tolkien (books) http://it.tolkien.wikia.com
    * Physics (science) http://assembleafisica.wikia.com

Portuguese

    * Conlang (constructed languages) http://pt.conlang.wikia.com

Serbian

    * Cannabis http://Konoplja.wikia.com

Turkish

    * Grand Theft Auto (game) http://tr.gta.wikia.com

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 19:25:13 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:25:13 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] New wikis this week
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800703191221j47f7c033wfb15684a0e9d896b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800703191221j47f7c033wfb15684a0e9d896b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10703191225v476f79bdscaf0b770eeb659b1@mail.gmail.com>

That's a great idea. Thanks, Angela!


-- Danny
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From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 19:28:24 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:28:24 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] MediaWiki upgrade
Message-ID: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>

Good news - Wikia will be upgrading to the latest stable version of
MediaWiki this week.

The bad news is that the wikis will be offline during some of this. It
will take about between 50 minutes and two hours. This will happen at
some point between 10:00 and 13:00 UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday, or
Thursday for different wikis.

We'll send more detailed information closer to when it happens. The
mailing lists ought to keep working during this time, and you're
always welcome to join us in the Wikia channel on IRC for the latest
updates - http://irc.wikia.com/

Details on the new features this will bring will be placed at
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9

Angela
-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 19:52:47 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:52:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] MediaWiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703191252l4e0f0d59n137188d9d0551997@mail.gmail.com>

Good to know.

Are there any signifcant changes between 1.7.3 and 1.9 that we should know
about? Cool features that could be utilized?

Wikipedia's using 1.10alpha which had one such cool new feature that
actually escapes me at this second. Is there are any reason we're not using
1.10alpha?

-S


On 3/19/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good news - Wikia will be upgrading to the latest stable version of
> MediaWiki this week.
>
> The bad news is that the wikis will be offline during some of this. It
> will take about between 50 minutes and two hours. This will happen at
> some point between 10:00 and 13:00 UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday, or
> Thursday for different wikis.
>
> We'll send more detailed information closer to when it happens. The
> mailing lists ought to keep working during this time, and you're
> always welcome to join us in the Wikia channel on IRC for the latest
> updates - http://irc.wikia.com/
>
> Details on the new features this will bring will be placed at
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9
>
> Angela
> --
> Angela Beesley
> Wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From datrio at wikia.com  Mon Mar 19 20:18:13 2007
From: datrio at wikia.com (Dariusz Siedlecki)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:18:13 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] MediaWiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703191252l4e0f0d59n137188d9d0551997@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703191252l4e0f0d59n137188d9d0551997@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <283332d20703191318o4384a623v60e7a7c85f37542a@mail.gmail.com>

This upgrade is mainly for developers - it will be easier to write new
extensions, and the code will be a lot cleaner from now on. Regarding
new features, the main two were APIs (but we already have that in a
way) and AJAX (which Wikipedia doesn't use, but it's in the code).

Apart from that, many bugs fixed, and a lot of small features. We'll
probably post a detailed changelog after the upgrade.

Regarding 1.10, it's just because it's alpha - we wanted to have a
stable version, but from now on, upgrades will probably be easier, so
an upgrade to 1.10 should be expected faster, than we upgraded to 1.9
;).

On 3/19/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good to know.
>
> Are there any signifcant changes between 1.7.3 and 1.9 that we should know
> about? Cool features that could be utilized?
>
> Wikipedia's using 1.10alpha which had one such cool new feature that
> actually escapes me at this second. Is there are any reason we're not using
> 1.10alpha?
>
> -S
>
>
>
> On 3/19/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Good news - Wikia will be upgrading to the latest stable version of
> > MediaWiki this week.
> >
> > The bad news is that the wikis will be offline during some of this. It
> > will take about between 50 minutes and two hours. This will happen at
> > some point between 10:00 and 13:00 UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday, or
> > Thursday for different wikis.
> >
> > We'll send more detailed information closer to when it happens. The
> > mailing lists ought to keep working during this time, and you're
> > always welcome to join us in the Wikia channel on IRC for the latest
> > updates - http://irc.wikia.com/
> >
> > Details on the new features this will bring will be placed at
> > http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9
> >
> > Angela
> > --
> > Angela Beesley
> > Wikia.com

-- 
Pozdrawiam,
Dariusz Siedlecki


From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 20:27:01 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:27:01 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] MediaWiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703191252l4e0f0d59n137188d9d0551997@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703191252l4e0f0d59n137188d9d0551997@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703191327j44612cf6jd61e3e00bce61f3f@mail.gmail.com>

> Are there any signifcant changes between 1.7.3 and 1.9 that we should know
> about? Cool features that could be utilized?

Jack Phoenix said on IRC that he is about to add some information from
the release notes to http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9

If you want to read those before a more readable wiki page is made
there, please see
http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_9_0/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES
http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_8_0/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES

> Wikipedia's using 1.10alpha which had one such cool new feature that
> actually escapes me at this second. Is there are any reason we're not using
> 1.10alpha?

An alpha version is just not stable enough for our use. The way Wikia
is currently set up, it's a painful procedure to upgrade (though
improvements are being made to that), so we need to be able to rely on
the version we're upgrading to for some time.

Angela


From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 20:57:03 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:57:03 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] MediaWiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703191357t6c1b746co5bbf148e86c92e03@mail.gmail.com>

Update: This might actually start earlier and the sites may be
read-only from 0800 UTC (noon PDT).

http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9 or pages linked from it will
also be the place to report any bugs you find that result from this.

Angela


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 21:45:31 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:45:31 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] MediaWiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800703191327j44612cf6jd61e3e00bce61f3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703191252l4e0f0d59n137188d9d0551997@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800703191327j44612cf6jd61e3e00bce61f3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703191445k4aeadf4cs7316955e5d08b75c@mail.gmail.com>

Ah yes, I see that page has been updated with release notes. Thanks to Jack
Phoenix!

-S


On 3/19/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Are there any signifcant changes between 1.7.3 and 1.9 that we should
> know
> > about? Cool features that could be utilized?
>
> Jack Phoenix said on IRC that he is about to add some information from
> the release notes to http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9
>
> If you want to read those before a more readable wiki page is made
> there, please see
>
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_9_0/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES
>
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_8_0/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES
>
> > Wikipedia's using 1.10alpha which had one such cool new feature that
> > actually escapes me at this second. Is there are any reason we're not
> using
> > 1.10alpha?
>
> An alpha version is just not stable enough for our use. The way Wikia
> is currently set up, it's a painful procedure to upgrade (though
> improvements are being made to that), so we need to be able to rely on
> the version we're upgrading to for some time.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From duncan at wikia.com  Mon Mar 19 22:47:12 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:47:12 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] MediaWiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800703191357t6c1b746co5bbf148e86c92e03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800703191357t6c1b746co5bbf148e86c92e03@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17C3B64E-CD17-4813-BB5B-E0892DBE01E5@wikia.com>

Folks,

My apologies, I gave out the wrong info to folks earlier and the  
specific start time is changing.

We will actually move maintenance to start at 700 UTC (midnight PDT)  
instead of 1000 UTC.
Maintenance will end at 1300 as planned.

Matthew

On Mar 19, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Angela wrote:

> Update: This might actually start earlier and the sites may be
> read-only from 0800 UTC (noon PDT).
>
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9 or pages linked from it will
> also be the place to report any bugs you find that result from this.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>



From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 23:09:05 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:09:05 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] MediaWiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <17C3B64E-CD17-4813-BB5B-E0892DBE01E5@wikia.com>
References: <8b722b800703191228o4eb02bd0sa29cbc6e5a0ba644@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800703191357t6c1b746co5bbf148e86c92e03@mail.gmail.com>
	<17C3B64E-CD17-4813-BB5B-E0892DBE01E5@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50703191609m6202c9can65b7a8ee155c1fd7@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I am going to LOVE the ability to use + as  legal Article Title Character!

On 3/19/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> My apologies, I gave out the wrong info to folks earlier and the
> specific start time is changing.
>
> We will actually move maintenance to start at 700 UTC (midnight PDT)
> instead of 1000 UTC.
> Maintenance will end at 1300 as planned.
>
> Matthew
>
> On Mar 19, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Angela wrote:
>
> > Update: This might actually start earlier and the sites may be
> > read-only from 0800 UTC (noon PDT).
> >
> > http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9 or pages linked from it will
> > also be the place to report any bugs you find that result from this.
> >
> > Angela
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
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From bill at wikia.com  Tue Mar 20 19:28:23 2007
From: bill at wikia.com (bill at wikia.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:28:23 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
Message-ID: <1679.68.121.165.115.1174418903.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>

Hi,
Last night we upgraded the site to MediaWiki 1.9.3. We did this in the
middle of the night in order to impact the fewest users. Unfortunately, we
ran into a few issues which resulted in a longer outage than anticipated.

The upgrade was completed at 15:00 UTC today and the site is running well
again. If you experience any issues, please report them here: 
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9

We're now working on ways to upgrade individual wikis so that your
community is only effected during the time it takes to upgrade an
individual wiki.

Thanks for your patience,
Bill K



From G.Dummer at Domstad.nl  Tue Mar 20 19:46:00 2007
From: G.Dummer at Domstad.nl (Gerard Dummer)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:46:00 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
References: <1679.68.121.165.115.1174418903.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
Message-ID: <103EA3716F463C40A0A571B3A8F8179E010A77F0@EXCH.DOMSTAD.NL>

Hello Bill,
 
In The Netherlands it was the middle of the day. Downtime for a wiki we use in primary schools is not very stimulating. 
 
Greetings Gerard 
(www.wikikids.nl) 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
	Van: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com namens bill at wikia.com 
	Verzonden: di 20-3-2007 20:28 
	Aan: wikia-l at wikia.com 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
	
	

	Hi,
	Last night we upgraded the site to MediaWiki 1.9.3. We did this in the
	middle of the night in order to impact the fewest users. Unfortunately, we
	ran into a few issues which resulted in a longer outage than anticipated.
	
	The upgrade was completed at 15:00 UTC today and the site is running well
	again. If you experience any issues, please report them here:
	http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9
	
	We're now working on ways to upgrade individual wikis so that your
	community is only effected during the time it takes to upgrade an
	individual wiki.
	
	Thanks for your patience,
	Bill K
	
	_______________________________________________
	Wikia-l mailing list
	Wikia-l at wikia.com
	http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
	


From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 20:23:41 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:23:41 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <103EA3716F463C40A0A571B3A8F8179E010A77F0@EXCH.DOMSTAD.NL>
References: <1679.68.121.165.115.1174418903.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
	<103EA3716F463C40A0A571B3A8F8179E010A77F0@EXCH.DOMSTAD.NL>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50703201323y5bddb278w56edefa62302b9df@mail.gmail.com>

I also caught the Downtime in the UK around Lunchtime.

The site is -VERY- slow for me at the moment on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia,
any idea why this is?

-TTF

On 3/20/07, Gerard Dummer <G.Dummer at domstad.nl> wrote:
> Hello Bill,
>
> In The Netherlands it was the middle of the day. Downtime for a wiki we use in primary schools is not very stimulating.
>
> Greetings Gerard
> (www.wikikids.nl)
>
>         -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>         Van: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com namens bill at wikia.com
>         Verzonden: di 20-3-2007 20:28
>         Aan: wikia-l at wikia.com
>         CC:
>         Onderwerp: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
>
>
>
>         Hi,
>         Last night we upgraded the site to MediaWiki 1.9.3. We did this in the
>         middle of the night in order to impact the fewest users. Unfortunately, we
>         ran into a few issues which resulted in a longer outage than anticipated.
>
>         The upgrade was completed at 15:00 UTC today and the site is running well
>         again. If you experience any issues, please report them here:
>         http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_1.9
>
>         We're now working on ways to upgrade individual wikis so that your
>         community is only effected during the time it takes to upgrade an
>         individual wiki.
>
>         Thanks for your patience,
>         Bill K
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         Wikia-l mailing list
>         Wikia-l at wikia.com
>         http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


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From bill at wikia.com  Tue Mar 20 21:11:46 2007
From: bill at wikia.com (bill at wikia.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:11:46 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
Message-ID: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>

Hi

We're aware of the slowness and Matthew, Jason and Emil are working on it
right now. More news when we have it.

Apologies to those who were impacted by the outage during productive
hours. We tried to minimize this but the outage window was longer than
expected.

Thanks,
Bill K




From scarecroe at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 22:20:22 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>

Do the current problems relate to the rules that govern the ability to block
an IP, or is that a separate issue? Currently, an infinite IP block is not
working on Muppet Wiki.
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.163.141.47
http://muppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:69.163.141.47

69.163.141.47 was blocked two days ago, but able to edit the site today.

Thanks,
Scott


On 3/20/07, bill at wikia.com <bill at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> We're aware of the slowness and Matthew, Jason and Emil are working on it
> right now. More news when we have it.
>
> Apologies to those who were impacted by the outage during productive
> hours. We tried to minimize this but the outage window was longer than
> expected.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill K
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From beesley at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 22:35:38 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:35:38 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/20/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do the current problems relate to the rules that govern the ability to block
> an IP, or is that a separate issue? Currently, an infinite IP block is not
> working on Muppet Wiki.
> http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.163.141.47

Oddly, that IP isn't currently in the blocklist. Also, 75.21.205.216
was blocked infinitely but the blocklist shows the block expires
tomorrow. http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist

I'm not aware of that being a feature (though IPs generally shouldn't
be blocked infinitely), so please report it if you find it still
happens on users blocked since this upgrade. It's possible it's only
affecting IPs blocked infinitely before this, but I don't yet know
why.

Angela


From afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp  Tue Mar 20 23:36:20 2007
From: afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp (Afker Aih)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:36:20 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Wikia-l] Is there a way to prevent pages with certain prefixes
	from being created?
Message-ID: <20070320233620.94509.qmail@web3701.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>

On Gaming.wikia, spambots are hitting articles prefixed
"Forum:" and "Forum talk:".

Is there a way for sysops to do something from preventing
articles with the "Forum" prefix from being created? 
Gaming.wikia doesn't use that as a namespace at all.

MediaWiki version 1.5.4

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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 00:04:50 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:04:50 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703201704i1ee7d1e2pf6fbfe718cc476d4@mail.gmail.com>

Regardless of your unfamiliarity with who does and does not need to be
blocked, the software appears to be malfunctioning. This block
log<http://muppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:69.163.141.47>clearly
shows that the IP was blocked two days ago, and yet the IP is still
allowed to edit. This presents a problem, for in this case the IP is one
of several rotating IPs that belong to a recurring delinquent user.

-S


On 3/20/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/20/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Do the current problems relate to the rules that govern the ability to
> block
> > an IP, or is that a separate issue? Currently, an infinite IP block is
> not
> > working on Muppet Wiki.
> > http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.163.141.47
>
> Oddly, that IP isn't currently in the blocklist. Also, 75.21.205.216
> was blocked infinitely but the blocklist shows the block expires
> tomorrow. http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist
>
> I'm not aware of that being a feature (though IPs generally shouldn't
> be blocked infinitely), so please report it if you find it still
> happens on users blocked since this upgrade. It's possible it's only
> affecting IPs blocked infinitely before this, but I don't yet know
> why.
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From robinp at xtra.co.nz  Wed Mar 21 02:11:17 2007
From: robinp at xtra.co.nz (Robin Patterson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:11:17 +1200
Subject: [Wikia-l] Is there a way to prevent Forum: pages from being
	created?
Message-ID: <004301c76b5e$3625e720$5d3658db@633>

Maybe you SHOULD be using that namespace!! It's relatively
new, and was created for a purpose, but hasn't been
publicised as much as possible.  See the Starter page on
Central Wikia for a lead to the necessary pages and links.

[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, 88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton,
Porirua 6006 New Zealand

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Afker Aih" <afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp>
To: "List Central Wikia Mailing" <wikia-l at wikia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: [Wikia-l] Is there a way to prevent pages with
certain prefixesfrom being created?


> On Gaming.wikia, spambots are hitting articles prefixed
> "Forum:" and "Forum talk:".
>
> Is there a way for sysops to do something from preventing
> articles with the "Forum" prefix from being created?
> Gaming.wikia doesn't use that as a namespace at all.
>
> MediaWiki version 1.5.4
>
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From afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp  Wed Mar 21 10:18:58 2007
From: afkeraih at yahoo.co.jp (Afker Aih)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:18:58 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Wikia-l] Is there a way to prevent Forum: pages from being
	created?
In-Reply-To: <004301c76b5e$3625e720$5d3658db@633>
Message-ID: <20070321101858.99746.qmail@web3704.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp>

The magazines don't have the extension yet.  Maybe in "two
weeks".

But even then, the PageLists extension and comment system
used by the magazines seem almost a better way to do
forums than the current forum system.  The only complaint
I have against it is that you can't edit your comments.

-Afker

--- Robin Patterson <robinp at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Maybe you SHOULD be using that namespace!! It's
> relatively
> new, and was created for a purpose, but hasn't been
> publicised as much as possible.  See the Starter
> page on
> Central Wikia for a lead to the necessary pages and
> links.
> 
> [Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, 88 Motuhara Road,
> Plimmerton,
> Porirua 6006 New Zealand


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From emil at wikia.com  Wed Mar 21 10:23:17 2007
From: emil at wikia.com (Emil Podlaszewski)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:23:17 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703201704i1ee7d1e2pf6fbfe718cc476d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>	<3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201704i1ee7d1e2pf6fbfe718cc476d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46010795.4010901@wikia.com>

Scott Hanson wrote:
> Regardless of your unfamiliarity with who does and does not need to be 
> blocked, the software appears to be malfunctioning. This block log 
> <http://muppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:69.163.141.47> 
> clearly shows that the IP was blocked two days ago, and yet the IP is 
> still allowed to edit. This presents a problem, for in this case the IP 
> is one of several rotating IPs that belong to a recurring delinquent user.

Hi Scott,

there are two choices:
1) either this IP block was put in the block log, but not to the blocklist 
table itself
2) or it was removed by somebody from the block list, but this event wasn't 
logged in the block log

Anyway, this IP needs to be re-blocked.

As you mentioned, this is a malfunction of the software and we will try to 
find out what's causing this. Please let me know if you notice similar 
issues as they may be helpful for us.

Thanks,
Emil


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 16:27:42 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <46010795.4010901@wikia.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201704i1ee7d1e2pf6fbfe718cc476d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<46010795.4010901@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703210927i5bd837a2pe6177549e9a860cd@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Emil. This is a helpful response.

Do I have to worry about IP blocks not working in the future, or is this an
isolated incident?

-Scott


On 3/21/07, Emil Podlaszewski <emil at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Scott Hanson wrote:
> > Regardless of your unfamiliarity with who does and does not need to be
> > blocked, the software appears to be malfunctioning. This block log
> > <
> http://muppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:69.163.141.47
> >
> > clearly shows that the IP was blocked two days ago, and yet the IP is
> > still allowed to edit. This presents a problem, for in this case the IP
> > is one of several rotating IPs that belong to a recurring delinquent
> user.
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> there are two choices:
> 1) either this IP block was put in the block log, but not to the blocklist
> table itself
> 2) or it was removed by somebody from the block list, but this event
> wasn't
> logged in the block log
>
> Anyway, this IP needs to be re-blocked.
>
> As you mentioned, this is a malfunction of the software and we will try to
> find out what's causing this. Please let me know if you notice similar
> issues as they may be helpful for us.
>
> Thanks,
> Emil
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
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From emil at wikia.com  Wed Mar 21 16:30:29 2007
From: emil at wikia.com (Emil Podlaszewski)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:30:29 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703210927i5bd837a2pe6177549e9a860cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>	<3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>	<3b6cf93a0703201704i1ee7d1e2pf6fbfe718cc476d4@mail.gmail.com>	<46010795.4010901@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703210927i5bd837a2pe6177549e9a860cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46015DA5.2080901@wikia.com>

Scott Hanson wrote:
> Thank you, Emil. This is a helpful response.
>  
> Do I have to worry about IP blocks not working in the future, or is this 
> an isolated incident?

I think this was an isolated case.


Emil


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 19:41:25 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:41:25 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>

This isn't a bug so much as it is a new feature that I think we can do
without.

Upon new page creations, the software is automatically using the first few
lines of text to fill in for the blank edit summary. That's a neat idea and
all, but it's making RecentChanges look really messy. How can I disable
this?

Thanks in advance,
Scott
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From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 01:04:55 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:04:55 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703210927i5bd837a2pe6177549e9a860cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201704i1ee7d1e2pf6fbfe718cc476d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<46010795.4010901@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703210927i5bd837a2pe6177549e9a860cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703211804l736e1a5cxc2513d5820e5d114@mail.gmail.com>

Just as a general head's up, other IPs previously blocked are mysteriously
unblocked just like the one previously reported. Other admins might want to
keep a sharp eye out for returning problem users who may be coming back. I'm
blocking again, and will keep a close eye on this continuing problem.

-S

On 3/21/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Emil. This is a helpful response.
>
> Do I have to worry about IP blocks not working in the future, or is this
> an isolated incident?
>
> -Scott
>
>
>  On 3/21/07, Emil Podlaszewski <emil at wikia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Scott Hanson wrote:
> > > Regardless of your unfamiliarity with who does and does not need to be
> > > blocked, the software appears to be malfunctioning. This block log
> > > <
> > http://muppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:69.163.141.47
> > >
> > > clearly shows that the IP was blocked two days ago, and yet the IP is
> > > still allowed to edit. This presents a problem, for in this case the
> > IP
> > > is one of several rotating IPs that belong to a recurring delinquent
> > user.
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > there are two choices:
> > 1) either this IP block was put in the block log, but not to the
> > blocklist
> > table itself
> > 2) or it was removed by somebody from the block list, but this event
> > wasn't
> > logged in the block log
> >
> > Anyway, this IP needs to be re-blocked.
> >
> > As you mentioned, this is a malfunction of the software and we will try
> > to
> > find out what's causing this. Please let me know if you notice similar
> > issues as they may be helpful for us.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Emil
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
>
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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 01:56:30 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:56:30 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed. It's quite an unsightly 'feature'. It should be an option,
rather than compulsarily enforced.

That said, the Character Change number is quite handy.

On 3/21/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> This isn't a bug so much as it is a new feature that I think we can do
> without.
>
> Upon new page creations, the software is automatically using the first few
> lines of text to fill in for the blank edit summary. That's a neat idea and
> all, but it's making RecentChanges look really messy. How can I disable
> this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 02:06:30 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703211906j673bf77ag7a6506be0a86b03e@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed. It's quite an unsightly 'feature'. It should be an option,
> rather than compulsarily enforced.


That's a good idea. At current, the auto edit summaries just makes a mess...
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Auto-edit-summaries-mess.png

How do I turn this off?

-Scott
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From johnq at wikia.com  Thu Mar 22 09:02:42 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:02:42 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46024632.6010706@wikia.com>

Hi,

We'll look for a way to turn this into an option. With the upgrade will 
come lots of new things from the base MediaWiki software. As we get your 
feedback on the new items we'll see what we can do about them.

Knowing Brion and Tim, I'd be surprised if there weren't a way to 
disable this... the comm team will of course be taking a look, but for 
an engineering solution please give us a little time to take a look at 
this. We have some high priority things to address for some specific 
wikis after the upgrade.

As always, we hear you and we'll fix this up as soon as we can.

Thanks,
John Q.








TwoTailedFox wrote:
> Agreed. It's quite an unsightly 'feature'. It should be an option,
> rather than compulsarily enforced.
>
> That said, the Character Change number is quite handy.
>
> On 3/21/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> This isn't a bug so much as it is a new feature that I think we can do
>> without.
>>
>> Upon new page creations, the software is automatically using the first few
>> lines of text to fill in for the blank edit summary. That's a neat idea and
>> all, but it's making RecentChanges look really messy. How can I disable
>> this?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Scott
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikia-l mailing list
>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
>   


From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 22 08:05:14 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:05:14 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com><bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<46024632.6010706@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>

>>> Upon new page creations, the software is automatically using the first 
>>> few
>>> lines of text to fill in for the blank edit summary. That's a neat idea 
>>> and
>>> all, but it's making RecentChanges look really messy. How can I disable
>>
>> Agreed. It's quite an unsightly 'feature'. It should be an option,
>> rather than compulsarily enforced.
>
> We'll look for a way to turn this into an option. With the upgrade will
> come lots of new things from the base MediaWiki software. As we get your
> feedback on the new items we'll see what we can do about them.

It should be possible to change these by replacing one or more of the 
following MediaWiki namespace messages:

MediaWiki:Autoredircomment 	Redirecting to [[$1]]
MediaWiki:Autosumm-blank 	Blanking page
MediaWiki:Autosumm-replace 	Replacing page with '$1'
MediaWiki:Autosumm-new		New page: $1

>From http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_summary#Automatic_summaries

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk/
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" 



From emil at wikia.com  Thu Mar 22 08:33:24 2007
From: emil at wikia.com (Emil Podlaszewski)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703211804l736e1a5cxc2513d5820e5d114@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>	<3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>	<8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>	<3b6cf93a0703201704i1ee7d1e2pf6fbfe718cc476d4@mail.gmail.com>	<46010795.4010901@wikia.com>	<3b6cf93a0703210927i5bd837a2pe6177549e9a860cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703211804l736e1a5cxc2513d5820e5d114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46023F54.9090500@wikia.com>

Scott Hanson wrote:
> Just as a general head's up, other IPs previously blocked are 
> mysteriously unblocked just like the one previously reported. Other 
> admins might want to keep a sharp eye out for returning problem users 
> who may be coming back. I'm blocking again, and will keep a close eye on 
> this continuing problem.

OK, thanks for letting know. That's important information.


Emil


From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 09:01:12 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:01:12 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
In-Reply-To: <46023F54.9090500@wikia.com>
References: <2210.68.121.165.115.1174425106.squirrel@shannon.tpa.wikia-inc.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201520w1fd80892x90136f78c47d51ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800703201535p6dc83aaj72220fd9db5dd077@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703201704i1ee7d1e2pf6fbfe718cc476d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<46010795.4010901@wikia.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703210927i5bd837a2pe6177549e9a860cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b6cf93a0703211804l736e1a5cxc2513d5820e5d114@mail.gmail.com>
	<46023F54.9090500@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50703220201q1e03f02bqc0b203c4f7860142@mail.gmail.com>

Past banned Blocked IPs for the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia appear to be listed as normal.

On 3/22/07, Emil Podlaszewski <emil at wikia.com> wrote:
> Scott Hanson wrote:
> > Just as a general head's up, other IPs previously blocked are
> > mysteriously unblocked just like the one previously reported. Other
> > admins might want to keep a sharp eye out for returning problem users
> > who may be coming back. I'm blocking again, and will keep a close eye on
> > this continuing problem.
>
> OK, thanks for letting know. That's important information.
>
>
> Emil
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 17:37:00 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:37:00 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<46024632.6010706@wikia.com>
	<BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703221037m1961ca4aj702f4f98a1e8e6f6@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/22/07, Laurence Parry <greenreaper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It should be possible to change these by replacing one or more of the
> following MediaWiki namespace messages:
>
> MediaWiki:Autoredircomment      Redirecting to [[$1]]
> MediaWiki:Autosumm-blank        Blanking page
> MediaWiki:Autosumm-replace      Replacing page with '$1'
> MediaWiki:Autosumm-new          New page: $1
>
> >From http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_summary#Automatic_summaries


Ah, thank you Laurence! That's exactly what I was looking for.

I've seen the $1 around on other MediaWiki: namespace pages before... is
there a help page that explains what that stuff means?

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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 22 17:46:49 2007
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:46:49 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com><bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com><46024632.6010706@wikia.com><BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<3b6cf93a0703221037m1961ca4aj702f4f98a1e8e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>

> Ah, thank you Laurence! That's exactly what I was looking for.
>
> I've seen the $1 around on other MediaWiki: namespace pages before... is
> there a help page that explains what that stuff means?

$1 is a placeholder for a variable that is to be inserted by MediaWiki. What 
it actually means depends on the part of MediaWiki that is processing the 
message - in this case, it inserts the text (or as much as can fit), but on 
another message it might mean the date, or how many articles had been 
written, or who the contributors to the article were, or . . .

If anything can help you it should be 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Help - but it can take some digging. 
Failing that, you have the source code. ;-)

---
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry 



From scarecroe at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 17:50:10 2007
From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:50:10 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<46024632.6010706@wikia.com>
	<BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<3b6cf93a0703221037m1961ca4aj702f4f98a1e8e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0703221050k51336d30u6e9bbe5de5185ec2@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks again, Laurence. This is really exactly what I was looking for :)

-Scott


On 3/22/07, Laurence Parry <greenreaper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah, thank you Laurence! That's exactly what I was looking for.
> >
> > I've seen the $1 around on other MediaWiki: namespace pages before... is
> > there a help page that explains what that stuff means?
>
> $1 is a placeholder for a variable that is to be inserted by MediaWiki.
> What
> it actually means depends on the part of MediaWiki that is processing the
> message - in this case, it inserts the text (or as much as can fit), but
> on
> another message it might mean the date, or how many articles had been
> written, or who the contributors to the article were, or . . .
>
> If anything can help you it should be
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Help - but it can take some digging.
> Failing that, you have the source code. ;-)
>
> ---
> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Thu Mar 22 20:25:22 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:25:22 -0800
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com><bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com><46024632.6010706@wikia.com><BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>	<3b6cf93a0703221037m1961ca4aj702f4f98a1e8e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4602E632.8090209@wikia.com>

Thanks Green,

Let us know if that alleviates the issue you guys were seeing. 
Otherwise, we'll take a look after resolving the remaining upgrade issues.

Thanks,
John Q.


Laurence Parry wrote:
>> Ah, thank you Laurence! That's exactly what I was looking for.
>>
>> I've seen the $1 around on other MediaWiki: namespace pages before... is
>> there a help page that explains what that stuff means?
>>     
>
> $1 is a placeholder for a variable that is to be inserted by MediaWiki. What 
> it actually means depends on the part of MediaWiki that is processing the 
> message - in this case, it inserts the text (or as much as can fit), but on 
> another message it might mean the date, or how many articles had been 
> written, or who the contributors to the article were, or . . .
>
> If anything can help you it should be 
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Help - but it can take some digging. 
> Failing that, you have the source code. ;-)
>
> ---
> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>   


From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 22:01:04 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:01:04 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <4602E632.8090209@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<46024632.6010706@wikia.com>
	<BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<3b6cf93a0703221037m1961ca4aj702f4f98a1e8e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<4602E632.8090209@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50703221501u1a97fdb7ia4754973dee31fe6@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of issues, my Recent Changes page just stopped loading.
Refresh and ?action=purge are also having no effect

It just... doesn't load o.o

On 3/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
> Thanks Green,
>
> Let us know if that alleviates the issue you guys were seeing.
> Otherwise, we'll take a look after resolving the remaining upgrade issues.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
> Laurence Parry wrote:
> >> Ah, thank you Laurence! That's exactly what I was looking for.
> >>
> >> I've seen the $1 around on other MediaWiki: namespace pages before... is
> >> there a help page that explains what that stuff means?
> >>
> >
> > $1 is a placeholder for a variable that is to be inserted by MediaWiki. What
> > it actually means depends on the part of MediaWiki that is processing the
> > message - in this case, it inserts the text (or as much as can fit), but on
> > another message it might mean the date, or how many articles had been
> > written, or who the contributors to the article were, or . . .
> >
> > If anything can help you it should be
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Help - but it can take some digging.
> > Failing that, you have the source code. ;-)
> >
> > ---
> > Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From beesley at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 22:03:56 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:03:56 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50703221501u1a97fdb7ia4754973dee31fe6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<46024632.6010706@wikia.com>
	<BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<3b6cf93a0703221037m1961ca4aj702f4f98a1e8e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<4602E632.8090209@wikia.com>
	<bb68b5a50703221501u1a97fdb7ia4754973dee31fe6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800703221503v15e75b5dh42fc9f7b52d9cd80@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/22/07, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of issues, my Recent Changes page just stopped loading.
> Refresh and ?action=purge are also having no effect

Recent changes is currently down on all wikis. Inez is deploying a fix
to that now and it should all be ok again in about 2 minutes.

Angela


From duncan at wikia.com  Thu Mar 22 22:04:19 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:04:19 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <bb68b5a50703221501u1a97fdb7ia4754973dee31fe6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<46024632.6010706@wikia.com>
	<BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<3b6cf93a0703221037m1961ca4aj702f4f98a1e8e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<4602E632.8090209@wikia.com>
	<bb68b5a50703221501u1a97fdb7ia4754973dee31fe6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF30EE24-0012-4AB9-88CA-1883C91532E6@wikia.com>


We're working on it.

On Mar 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, TwoTailedFox wrote:

> Speaking of issues, my Recent Changes page just stopped loading.
> Refresh and ?action=purge are also having no effect
>
> It just... doesn't load o.o
>
> On 3/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Green,
>>
>> Let us know if that alleviates the issue you guys were seeing.
>> Otherwise, we'll take a look after resolving the remaining upgrade  
>> issues.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John Q.
>>
>>
>> Laurence Parry wrote:
>>>> Ah, thank you Laurence! That's exactly what I was looking for.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen the $1 around on other MediaWiki: namespace pages  
>>>> before... is
>>>> there a help page that explains what that stuff means?
>>>>
>>>
>>> $1 is a placeholder for a variable that is to be inserted by  
>>> MediaWiki. What
>>> it actually means depends on the part of MediaWiki that is  
>>> processing the
>>> message - in this case, it inserts the text (or as much as can  
>>> fit), but on
>>> another message it might mean the date, or how many articles had  
>>> been
>>> written, or who the contributors to the article were, or . . .
>>>
>>> If anything can help you it should be
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Help - but it can take some  
>>> digging.
>>> Failing that, you have the source code. ;-)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wikia-l mailing list
>>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
>>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikia-l mailing list
>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>>
>
>
> -- 
> "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>



From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 22:07:45 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:07:45 +0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] auto edit summaries
In-Reply-To: <EF30EE24-0012-4AB9-88CA-1883C91532E6@wikia.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703211241g3ef15938j6d4614f89c5aef55@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb68b5a50703211856o2d48be49pbed2a2ecf9385cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<46024632.6010706@wikia.com>
	<BAY104-DAV160100AFD8C1247F6FF360A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<3b6cf93a0703221037m1961ca4aj702f4f98a1e8e6f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY104-DAV337EC27718690B79C8781A56B0@phx.gbl>
	<4602E632.8090209@wikia.com>
	<bb68b5a50703221501u1a97fdb7ia4754973dee31fe6@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF30EE24-0012-4AB9-88CA-1883C91532E6@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50703221507s1ed87654kf71d6fc73bdad647@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Fixed now.

Good job ^^

On 3/22/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> We're working on it.
>
> On Mar 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, TwoTailedFox wrote:
>
> > Speaking of issues, my Recent Changes page just stopped loading.
> > Refresh and ?action=purge are also having no effect
> >
> > It just... doesn't load o.o
> >
> > On 3/22/07, John Q. <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
> >> Thanks Green,
> >>
> >> Let us know if that alleviates the issue you guys were seeing.
> >> Otherwise, we'll take a look after resolving the remaining upgrade
> >> issues.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> John Q.
> >>
> >>
> >> Laurence Parry wrote:
> >>>> Ah, thank you Laurence! That's exactly what I was looking for.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've seen the $1 around on other MediaWiki: namespace pages
> >>>> before... is
> >>>> there a help page that explains what that stuff means?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> $1 is a placeholder for a variable that is to be inserted by
> >>> MediaWiki. What
> >>> it actually means depends on the part of MediaWiki that is
> >>> processing the
> >>> message - in this case, it inserts the text (or as much as can
> >>> fit), but on
> >>> another message it might mean the date, or how many articles had
> >>> been
> >>> written, or who the contributors to the article were, or . . .
> >>>
> >>> If anything can help you it should be
> >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Help - but it can take some
> >>> digging.
> >>> Failing that, you have the source code. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Wikia-l mailing list
> >>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> >>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >>>
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wikia-l mailing list
> >> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> >> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From angela at wikia.com  Sun Mar 25 21:24:20 2007
From: angela at wikia.com (Angela Beesley)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:24:20 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Welcome Catherine Munro
Message-ID: <8b722b800703251424w33b817eucbfc8b6047060eb6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm pleased to tell you that Wikia's Community Team is expanding
again. Catherine Munro is joining us tomorrow as a US-based Community
Manager. Catherine has been a Wikipedian since early 2003.

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 21:43:50 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:43:50 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New wikis this week
Message-ID: <8b722b800703251443m627304b0w57c5ebd672021a40@mail.gmail.com>

This is a list of wikis created last week. This is updated weekly so
you can get an idea of what's new at Wikia and what sort of topics
people are requesting. If you're interested in any of these, perhaps
you could drop in and see if the new founders need any help.

There weren't so many non-English wikis this week due to a bug with
creating these wikis after the MediaWiki upgrade.

You can also view this list at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/New_wikis_this_week

English

    * Gamespot (forum) http://gamespot.wikia.com
    * Cybernetics http://cybernetics.wikia.com
    * The Tiny Guide to Wikis and Wikipedia (to accompany the book)
http://tinyguidetowikis.wikia.com
    * Age of Mythology (game) http://ageofmythology.wikia.com
    * Ajax (programming) http://ajax.wikia.com
    * Munchkin (game) http://munchkin.wikia.com
    * Lord of the Rings Online (game) http://lotro.wikia.com
    * Ecology http://ecology.wikia.com
    * International Humanitarian Law (for practitioners and scholars)
http://ihl.wikia.com
    * Stop Ragging Campaign http://StopRagging.wikia.com
    * Bay Area Filmmaker's Resourcepedia http://bayareafilm.wikia.com

Dutch

    * Wikistad (cities) http://stad.wikia.com

French

    * Eollis (game) http://eollis.wikia.com
    * T?l?travail (telecommuting) http://Teletravail.wikia.com

German

    * Umwelt (Environmentalism) http://umwelt.wikia.com

Italian

    * Simpsons (TV) http://it.simpsons.wikia.com

Japanese

    * Tsuburaya (Science Fiction) http://ja.tsuburaya.wikia.com

Slovak

    * World of Warcraft (game) http://sk.wow.wikia.com

Swedish

    * OnePiece (anime) http://sv.onepiece.wikia.com


-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Mar 26 05:48:32 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:48:32 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Survey results...
Message-ID: <46075EB0.70409@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

I want to thank all of you who participated in the survey we ran. We 
were trying to get an overall idea of the things you'd like us to focus 
on (and, yes, better upgrades are part of it) and what new kinds of 
things we should be bringing to Wikia. Well, from the results you've 
spoken loud and clear...

 - We're doing an ok job at running the site but we know we need to do 
better.
 - You want us to do more to bring in new readers, new contributors, new 
skins, and new features.
 - You want us to find ways to bring people back more often.
 - You really want us to do more to help visitors find their way around 
the site.

The overall results... a little less than half admins and the rest from 
contributors and/or readers.
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Survey1_Results

This links shows the results for just those people that said they were 
admins on Wikia.
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Survey1_Results_AllAdmins

Thanks!
John Q.





From eekim at blueoxen.com  Mon Mar 26 23:42:32 2007
From: eekim at blueoxen.com (Eugene Eric Kim)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:42:32 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Wiki interoperability survey
Message-ID: <46085A68.1030701@blueoxen.com>

Dear Wikians,

I'm doing research on Wiki interoperability, and I'd love your help.  If
you use more than one Wiki regularly (Wikia or otherwise), please fill
out the survey at:

  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=24833512057

I'll publish the results of my research under a Creative Commons license
in May.  Thanks!

=Eugene

-- 
=========================================================================
Eugene Eric Kim ................................... http://xri.net/=eekim
Blue Oxen Associates ........................... http://www.blueoxen.com/
=========================================================================


From johnq at wikia.com  Tue Mar 27 17:11:16 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:11:16 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] site might be a bit slow today...
Message-ID: <46095034.80108@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We're receiving unusually high traffic today so we're monitoring all the 
stats to alleviate slowdown hotspots as we see them.

Thanks,
John Q.



From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Mar 28 17:38:31 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:38:31 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] site downtime... outside source...
Message-ID: <460AA817.6070903@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We're getting slammed from an outside source so we're in the middle of 
dealing with that and bringing other resources into the mix. We'll have 
the site up as soon as possible.

Thanks,
John Q.



From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Mar 28 18:06:42 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q.)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:06:42 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] site up again
In-Reply-To: <460AA817.6070903@wikia.com>
References: <460AA817.6070903@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <460AAEB2.5080407@wikia.com>

This site is now up again. Sorry for the delay.

John Q. wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>We're getting slammed from an outside source so we're in the middle of 
>dealing with that and bringing other resources into the mix. We'll have 
>the site up as soon as possible.
>
>Thanks,
>John Q.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wikia-l mailing list
>Wikia-l at wikia.com
>http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>  
>


From rsw154 at psu.edu  Thu Mar 29 17:43:05 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:43:05 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Mediawiki upgrade
Message-ID: <1175190183l.2166988l.0l@psu.edu>

bill at wikia.com wrote:
>Thanks for your patience,

And thanks to all you folks for pounding away at this so hard.  Each upgrade
must really interfere for an extended period with other things you want to do,
both on-wiki and off.  I only wish I knew enough code to actually help (instead
of just carping at central about phantom bugs).  Your work is appreciated.

cheers
r.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Woodworth  <rwoodwor at phys.psu.edu>        Technical Expert, Second Class
Department of Physics                           104 Davey Laboratory, PMB 120
The Pennsylvania State University                  University Park, PA  16802




From datrio at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 09:06:30 2007
From: datrio at gmail.com (Dariusz Siedlecki)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:06:30 -0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] sorttable tables
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <283332d20703050107r624784c4qa93c74f9ad8fadad@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Aloha,
>
> I recently discovered a neat feature in use at Wikipedia for sorting tables
> by data via javascript. Take a gander...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_state
>
> I'd like to try this at Muppet Wiki, but I can't seem to figure out how
> they're doing it. The table is calling on class="wikitable sortable", but I
> can't find where it's defined in either Wikipedia's Monobook or Common CSS
> or JS files.
>
> I was not too long ago able to apply a show/hide script from Memory Alpha as
> seen here...
> http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Mildred_Huxtetter
>
> ...which I thought worked out pretty well. This sorttable table script
> appears to be a more complex situation. If I'm right, I might be halfway
> there though. I'm guessing this code...
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/sorttable.js?view=markup&pathrev=17803
>
> ...can be saved in its own sorttable.js file, but I'm not sure how to call
> that up in an existing Mediawiki file on Muppet. I'm guessing somewhere in
> Monobook.js, but I'm not sure. Or I could be way off track, and maybe don't
> even have the proper permissions to do it.
>
> If it's not already being used on Wikia, I could see its benefits on such
> lists as this one...
> http://wikis.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Wikia_wikis
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.

Copy the following five lines to your User:Username/monobook.js or
MediaWiki:Common.js/Monobook.js:

  var url = 'http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sortables.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s';
  var scriptElem = document.createElement( 'script' );
  scriptElem.setAttribute( 'src' , url );
  scriptElem.setAttribute( 'type' , 'text/javascript' );
  document.getElementsByTagName( 'head' )[0].appendChild( scriptElem );

(If the text is garbled, just copy the contents of
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Datrio/monobook.js)

Clear your cache and then just add the class "sortable" to the table
you want to make... sortable! Tested and works for me, if you'll have
any problems, just give me a shout.




-- 
Pozdrawiam,
Dariusz Siedlecki


From datrio at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 09:07:34 2007
From: datrio at gmail.com (Dariusz Siedlecki)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:07:34 -0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] sorttable tables
In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b6cf93a0703041929u221b6a8an7ac51e5aa6b39888@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <283332d20703050108t76ab0272ocb3177149f75d7a0@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, Scott Hanson <scarecroe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Aloha,
>
> I recently discovered a neat feature in use at Wikipedia for sorting tables
> by data via javascript. Take a gander...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_state
>
> I'd like to try this at Muppet Wiki, but I can't seem to figure out how
> they're doing it. The table is calling on class="wikitable sortable", but I
> can't find where it's defined in either Wikipedia's Monobook or Common CSS
> or JS files.
>
> I was not too long ago able to apply a show/hide script from Memory Alpha as
> seen here...
> http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Mildred_Huxtetter
>
> ...which I thought worked out pretty well. This sorttable table script
> appears to be a more complex situation. If I'm right, I might be halfway
> there though. I'm guessing this code...
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/sorttable.js?view=markup&pathrev=17803
>
> ...can be saved in its own sorttable.js file, but I'm not sure how to call
> that up in an existing Mediawiki file on Muppet. I'm guessing somewhere in
> Monobook.js, but I'm not sure. Or I could be way off track, and maybe don't
> even have the proper permissions to do it.
>
> If it's not already being used on Wikia, I could see its benefits on such
> lists as this one...
> http://wikis.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Wikia_wikis
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.

Copy the following five lines to your User:Username/monobook.js or
MediaWiki:Common.js/Monobook.js:

 var url = 'http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sortables.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s';
 var scriptElem = document.createElement( 'script' );
 scriptElem.setAttribute( 'src' , url );
 scriptElem.setAttribute( 'type' , 'text/javascript' );
 document.getElementsByTagName( 'head' )[0].appendChild( scriptElem );

(If the text is garbled, just copy the contents of
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Datrio/monobook.js)

Clear your cache and then just add the class "sortable" to the table
you want to make... sortable! Tested and works for me, if you'll have
any problems, just give me a shout.

-- 
Pozdrawiam,
Dariusz Siedlecki


From bhavacakra at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 17 07:47:56 2007
From: bhavacakra at googlemail.com (Aspra Flavius)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:47:56 -0000
Subject: [Wikia-l] romanian wikia
Message-ID: <7aca65cd0703170047t21c60ee8pddfa6bf25b6b7f64@mail.gmail.com>

Where should I create the translation of
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki, so I can link to it from
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Romanian ?