From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 03:15:31 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Muppets101)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:15:31 -0600
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
Message-ID: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I operate Puppet Wikia but cannot seem to get other members.
I've advertised many times but just cannot seem to get other
contributors, any ideas?

thanks,
Muppets101

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From jamie at marveldatabase.com  Sun Sep  2 04:52:53 2007
From: jamie at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey there!


I like the site, it looks like you are really off to a great start. :)
There are several things to do to get more members/visitors.

1. Make sure to 'welcome' anyone that does edit, ASAP! It encourages them to
come back.

2. Keep making new content. (If you build it... they will come...)

3. Go where the people are... your site is about puppets, so find children's
forums and start talking to people. Get a feel for their interest. Try
asking folks at the Muppets Wiki too, they might be willing to help you out.

Keep going... don't lose faith. ;)


Cheers,

Jamie


On 9/1/07, Muppets101 <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I operate Puppet Wikia but cannot seem to get other members.
> I've advertised many times but just cannot seem to get other
> contributors, any ideas?
>
> thanks,
> Muppets101
>
> --
> Muppets101 -- Founder and Administrator of
> http://puppet.wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 06:01:01 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Muppets101)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:01:01 -0600
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
In-Reply-To: <757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10709012301t3faf6c68xb2956c4b1675d870@mail.gmail.com>

Those are some great tips, thanks Jamie!

Muppets101,


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From brianna.laugher at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 07:30:30 2007
From: brianna.laugher at gmail.com (Brianna Laugher)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:30:30 +1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d20d84ea0709020030o5e1fbaacj85c3a0cff1f85299@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/09/07, Muppets101 <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I operate Puppet Wikia but cannot seem to get other members.
> I've advertised many times but just cannot seem to get other
> contributors, any ideas?


Try putting a link on the main page to another page that explains ways
people can get involved and tasks that need doing. It can be
overwhelming to start at a wiki and not know where to leap in.
Providing suggestions should make people feel that they are doing
something someone else values, which is a good thing I suppose!

The FAQ has some good info about how to edit the wiki, but doesn't
explain what kind of content you do or don't want. Somewhere on your
site you probably want to explain how your site is uniquely different
to other sites. Is all the info in your site in Wikipedia already? If
so, what's the point? How is your site different to other Wikia sites?
If yours has a purpose that heavily overlaps with another site, it
might be worth talking to them about merging because it will be hard
to have great success unless your site has some clear advantages over
theirs.
So some selling-point like: most detailed info (+ NPOV? don't know if
that is used or not) + free license + open welcoming community +
instantly update-able...

Also, extend your community to other places on the web. Cannibalising
Wikia people won't work forever. :) Start a Facebook group. Start a
Myspace whatever-thing-they-call-it. Make some gadget people can put
on their iGoogle. Start an RSS feed of site news so that people can
become passively involved. Make one of those little badges that people
put on their blogs/websites that says something like "I contribute to
the Puppet Wikia" or just "Puppet Wikia" or whatever. Try that
old-fashioned thing, the web-ring. :)
(maybe some of these are not appropriate if your wiki is still quite small...)

Anyway I suspect getting a wiki off the ground is just a long hard
slog for a long time, and you have to hang in there. Jamie is very
right in saying that if you build it, they will come. People need to
see the foundation stones in place before they can be convinced that
laying their own brick there will make any difference.

cheers,
Brianna


From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 14:12:02 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Muppets101)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:12:02 -0600
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
In-Reply-To: <757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10709020712r1edd2d26t32cbe1ede62b3237@mail.gmail.com>

Here is something that I though might help:
http://puppet.wikia.com/wiki/Puppet_Wikia:What_is_Puppet_Wikia

Muppets101

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From twotailedfox at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 15:52:11 2007
From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:52:11 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10709020712r1edd2d26t32cbe1ede62b3237@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>
	<af548eb10709020712r1edd2d26t32cbe1ede62b3237@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb68b5a50709020852g4871e260t902443224742097f@mail.gmail.com>

Forum sigs also work really well.

On 9/2/07, Muppets101 <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is something that I though might help:
> http://puppet.wikia.com/wiki/Puppet_Wikia:What_is_Puppet_Wikia
>
>
> Muppets101
>
> --
> Muppets101 -- Founder and Administrator of
> http://puppet.wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"


From toughpigs at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 16:22:44 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10709020712r1edd2d26t32cbe1ede62b3237@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>
	<af548eb10709020712r1edd2d26t32cbe1ede62b3237@mail.gmail.com>
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Phillip, one thing that I noticed when I was looking at your site is that
most of the pages that you have are stubs. You've done an amazing job
creating lots and lots of pages -- you have more than 3700 pages, which is
incredible. But I hit "random page" a bunch of times, and most of the pages
had no text at all.

I looked at your stats:

http://216.151.156.20/EN/TablesWikiaPUPPET.htm

The column "mean bytes" measures how much is on your pages. Your average is
357 bytes, which is low. Most wikis have an average of at least 1000 bytes
per page. The column "larger than 0.5 Kb" also measures the page size, and
on Puppet Wikia, it's at 8%. Most wikis have more than 50%.

What that means is that Puppet Wikia has lots and lots of empty pages.
Looking at Special:Longpages, it looks like you have about 700 pages with
real content, and then about 3000 stubs.

So when a reader comes to your wiki and starts clicking around, or hitting
"random page", they'll find that most of the pages they click on don't have
any content. I don't know for sure how that affects your readers, but it
would be discouraging for me as a reader and a potential contributor.

My advice, which you can take or leave, is this: A lot of the blank pages
are episode guide pages. For each TV show, you've got an episode list on the
show's article, and then you've created a blank page for each episode. I
would suggest deleting all those blank episode pages. They're not doing
anything for you right now, except adding a lot of clutter and empty space.
I would also suggest deleting all the empty timeline pages -- you've got 365
pages that say "August 11 is the 11th day of the 8th month", etc.

Then concentrate on adding content to the existing pages. Don't create any
more stubs for a while; just try to build up the pages that you have, and
see if you can get the "mean bytes" up.

I don't know if that'll help you attract new contributors, but it wouldn't
hurt, and it'll make your good content easier for readers to find.


-- Danny
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From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 20:37:15 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:37:15 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New wikis this week
Message-ID: <8b722b800709021337i20e8ed2dw90321da846f7a4ec@mail.gmail.com>

This is a list of wikis created this week. This is updated weekly so
you can get an idea of what's new at Wikia and what sort of topics
people are requesting. If you're interested in any of these, perhaps
you could drop in and see if the new founders need any help.

You can also view this list at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/New_wikis_this_week

English - Gaming

    * Legends of Norrath (virtual collectible card game) http://lon.wikia.com
    * Banjo-Kazooie (video game) http://banjokazooie.wikia.com/
    * Universal Fighting System (Trading Card Game) http://ufstcg.wikia.com/
    * Exalted (RPG) http://exalted.wikia.com/
    * Frontier (Neverwinter Nights 2 world) http://frontier.wikia.com
    * Galaxy Angel http://galaxyangel.wikia.com
    * Drellia http://drellia.wikia.com

English - Other

    * Yo-Yo http://yoyo.wikia.com
    * Wazoopedia (art community) http://wazoopedia.wikia.com
    * Apcs (Computer Science exam) http://apcs.wikia.com
    * Bo-bobo (animated series) http://bobobo.wikia.com/
    * English Premier (soccer) http://englishpremier.wikia.com/
    * Burn Notice (TV) http://burnnotice.wikia.com/
    * ReBoot (TV) http://reboot.wikia.com
    * Eureka (TV) http://eureka.wikia.com
    * Magic Tree House (books) http://magictreehouse.wikia.com
    * Loop (music samples) http://loop.wikia.com
    * The Real World (TV) http://therealworld.wikia.com
    * Alex Rider (books) http://alexrider.wikia.com
    * GaoGaiGar (anime) http://gaogaigar.wikia.com/
    * TYPE-MOON (anime/manga) http://typemoon.wikia.com/
    * NIRSA (sports) http://wikinirsa.wikia.com/
    * Warcraftfanon http://warcraftfanon.wikia.com/
    * Insignias http://insignias.wikia.com/
    * Eclipse (programming) http://eclipse.wikia.com/
    * Metaverse http://metaverse.wikia.com/
    * Plato Curriculum (education) http://plato.wikia.com
    * Eon8 (Internet mysteries) http://eon8.wikia.com
    * Taleo (hiring software) http://taleo.wikia.com
    * Fiction Encyclopedia http://fictionencyclopedia.wikia.com
    * Philip Ardagh (author) http://ardagh.wikia.com
    * Matador (Danish TV) http://matador.wikia.com
    * Scriptorium (rare books) http://scriptorium.wikia.com
    * Darts http://darts.wikia.com
    * Flags http://flags.wikia.com
    * Survival http://survival.wikia.com

Chinese

    * Olympic 2008 http://zh.olympic2008.wikia.com

Dutch

    * Flyff (MMORPG) http://nl.flyff.wikia.com
    * X-men http://nl.xmen.wikia.comFrench
    * Pssd (history) http://nl.pssd.wikia.com

Finnish

    * Mela (paddling routes) http://mela.wikia.com

Greek

    * Greek Fires Help http://greekfireshelp.wikia.com

Indonesian

    * Indoreiki (Reiki healing) http://id.indoreiki.wikia.com

Italian

    * Dampyr (comic series) http://it.dampyr.wikia.com/
    * Star Wars (sci-fi) http://it.starwars.wikia.com

Portuguese

    * Fairly oddparents (TV) http://pt-br.fairlyoddparents.wikia.com
    * Metin 2 (MMORPG) http://pr-br.metin2.wikia.com
    * Internet http://pt-br.internet.wikia.com

Russian

    * JavaFX http://ru.jfx.wikia.com/

Serbian

    * Visoka ?kola elektrotehnike i ra?unarstva (Education)
http://vsetr.wikia.com

Spanish

    * Astrology http://es.astrologia.wikia.com
    * Bilymaik (children's wiki) http://es.bilymaik.wikia.com



Angela

From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 00:15:42 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Muppets101)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:15:42 -0600
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
In-Reply-To: <e61da0d10709020922t7cdb0301sdbda3921b01734ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>
	<af548eb10709020712r1edd2d26t32cbe1ede62b3237@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10709020922t7cdb0301sdbda3921b01734ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <af548eb10709021715u652073fcp24428ecebee59aa9@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Danny,

Yes, I don't think that the 365 days are doing much. I guess I'll start
editing more and create less.

Thanks so much,
Muppets101

On 9/2/07, Danny Horn <toughpigs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Phillip, one thing that I noticed when I was looking at your site is that
> most of the pages that you have are stubs. You've done an amazing job
> creating lots and lots of pages -- you have more than 3700 pages, which is
> incredible. But I hit "random page" a bunch of times, and most of the pages
> had no text at all.
>
> I looked at your stats:
>
> http://216.151.156.20/EN/TablesWikiaPUPPET.htm
>
> The column "mean bytes" measures how much is on your pages. Your average
> is 357 bytes, which is low. Most wikis have an average of at least 1000
> bytes per page. The column "larger than 0.5 Kb" also measures the page
> size, and on Puppet Wikia, it's at 8%. Most wikis have more than 50%.
>
> What that means is that Puppet Wikia has lots and lots of empty pages.
> Looking at Special:Longpages, it looks like you have about 700 pages with
> real content, and then about 3000 stubs.
>
> So when a reader comes to your wiki and starts clicking around, or hitting
> "random page", they'll find that most of the pages they click on don't have
> any content. I don't know for sure how that affects your readers, but it
> would be discouraging for me as a reader and a potential contributor.
>
> My advice, which you can take or leave, is this: A lot of the blank pages
> are episode guide pages. For each TV show, you've got an episode list on the
> show's article, and then you've created a blank page for each episode. I
> would suggest deleting all those blank episode pages. They're not doing
> anything for you right now, except adding a lot of clutter and empty space.
> I would also suggest deleting all the empty timeline pages -- you've got 365
> pages that say "August 11 is the 11th day of the 8th month", etc.
>
> Then concentrate on adding content to the existing pages. Don't create any
> more stubs for a while; just try to build up the pages that you have, and
> see if you can get the "mean bytes" up.
>
> I don't know if that'll help you attract new contributors, but it wouldn't
> hurt, and it'll make your good content easier for readers to find.
>
>
> -- Danny
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


-- 
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http://puppet.wikia.com
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From toughpigs at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 02:39:07 2007
From: toughpigs at gmail.com (Danny Horn)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:39:07 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Attracting traffic
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10709021715u652073fcp24428ecebee59aa9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709012015n63a87101sd9bcf93f05ed9d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<757d22db0709012152v6571e7b1y7da92d1f6b32574a@mail.gmail.com>
	<af548eb10709020712r1edd2d26t32cbe1ede62b3237@mail.gmail.com>
	<e61da0d10709020922t7cdb0301sdbda3921b01734ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<af548eb10709021715u652073fcp24428ecebee59aa9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e61da0d10709021939l7f36f131n2e37b905632d74ff@mail.gmail.com>

That sounds great. Making the wiki better is always the right answer.

It might pull in more contributors, and it might not, but either way: Hey,
better wiki.


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From ianwatson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 00:38:32 2007
From: ianwatson at gmail.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:38:32 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] New wikis this week
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800709021337i20e8ed2dw90321da846f7a4ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800709021337i20e8ed2dw90321da846f7a4ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecf508af0709021738ta5db8b4l5ba5720e8093bf50@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/09/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> English - Gaming
>
>     * Exalted (RPG) http://exalted.wikia.com/

I believe this is covered by my own White Wolf Wiki.
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/
(Specifically http://whitewolf.wikia.com/Exalted )

-- 
_______________
Ian A. A. Watson
ianwatson at wolf-spoor.org


From phillipfriedrich at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 18:34:06 2007
From: phillipfriedrich at gmail.com (Muppets101)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:34:06 -0600
Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Slowness
Message-ID: <af548eb10709041134v33d35c3dq12853f4f6cca3180@mail.gmail.com>

Puppet Wikia is running incredible slow - any idea when this will be fixed?

Muppets101.

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From beesley at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 19:03:06 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:03:06 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] New wikis this week
In-Reply-To: <ecf508af0709021738ta5db8b4l5ba5720e8093bf50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800709021337i20e8ed2dw90321da846f7a4ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<ecf508af0709021738ta5db8b4l5ba5720e8093bf50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800709041203i7a25150an86007ee9f502329b@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/3/07, Ian Watson <ianwatson at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/09/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > English - Gaming
> >
> >     * Exalted (RPG) http://exalted.wikia.com/
>
> I believe this is covered by my own White Wolf Wiki.
> http://whitewolf.wikia.com/
> (Specifically http://whitewolf.wikia.com/Exalted )

We're developing a new tool which allow the merge of wikis if we make
one that the community later says ought to have been somewhere else,
so the decision to make this isn't irreversible. I'll discuss this one
with the requester. You can also leave them a message to discuss
whether they think the Exalted section needs to be separate at
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Azure_Sky_Maiden

Angela


-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From johnq at wikia.com  Tue Sep  4 19:25:28 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:25:28 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] site slowness today...
Message-ID: <46DDB128.9040706@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

We see some site slowness right now and we're working on it. This is an 
issue we've been tracking through the night and everyone here is focused 
on it. Hopefully we'll have some news soon.

Thanks,
John Q.



From newsmarkie at googlemail.com  Tue Sep  4 19:29:35 2007
From: newsmarkie at googlemail.com (Wikinews Markie)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:29:35 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Slowness
In-Reply-To: <af548eb10709041134v33d35c3dq12853f4f6cca3180@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709041134v33d35c3dq12853f4f6cca3180@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6424d870709041229p2cc58f96lae0596f69dcb1c86@mail.gmail.com>

All the sites are running slowly.  Beginning to be beyond a joke!! Hope its
fixed soon because at 2-3mins page load time per page its stupid!

Mark

On 9/4/07, Muppets101 <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Puppet Wikia is running incredible slow - any idea when this will be
> fixed?
>
> Muppets101.
>
> --
> Muppets101 -- Founder and Administrator of
> http://puppet.wikia.com
> _______________________________________________
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From cbrown1023.ml at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 20:56:07 2007
From: cbrown1023.ml at gmail.com (Casey Brown)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:56:07 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Site Slowness
In-Reply-To: <a6424d870709041229p2cc58f96lae0596f69dcb1c86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709041134v33d35c3dq12853f4f6cca3180@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6424d870709041229p2cc58f96lae0596f69dcb1c86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4053450b0709041356j7b6cedb4mffe25ad17217bea3@mail.gmail.com>

In case anyone didn't get the other e-mail, it's being worked on. :-)

On 9/4/07, Wikinews Markie <newsmarkie at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> All the sites are running slowly.  Beginning to be beyond a joke!! Hope
> its fixed soon because at 2-3mins page load time per page its stupid!
>
> Mark
>
> On 9/4/07, Muppets101 <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Puppet Wikia is running incredible slow - any idea when this will be
> > fixed?
> >
> > Muppets101.
> >
> > --
> > Muppets101 -- Founder and Administrator of
> > http://puppet.wikia.com
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From johnq at wikia.com  Tue Sep  4 21:39:09 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:39:09 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Site slowness ... fixed.
In-Reply-To: <a6424d870709041229p2cc58f96lae0596f69dcb1c86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <af548eb10709041134v33d35c3dq12853f4f6cca3180@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6424d870709041229p2cc58f96lae0596f69dcb1c86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DDD07D.8040401@wikia.com>

Hi... we put into place some changes about an hour ago to address 
this... pages should have started loading normally since then. Our main 
db server's CPU was cycling between 5% usage (normal) up to 100% 
(completely out of whack). When at 100% cpu usage, page requests from 
the apaches were having to wait... hence the delay. This has been 
happening the last several days and we've been very focused on it. 
Solution in place now.

Prior to that, there was an extended denial of service attack on the 
overall site on Thursday which we took care of.

Thanks,
John Q.




Wikinews Markie wrote:
> All the sites are running slowly.  Beginning to be beyond a joke!! 
> Hope its fixed soon because at 2-3mins page load time per page its stupid!
>
> Mark
>
> On 9/4/07, * Muppets101* <phillipfriedrich at gmail.com 
> <mailto:phillipfriedrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Puppet Wikia is running incredible slow - any idea when this will
>     be fixed?
>
>     Muppets101.
>
>     -- 
>     Muppets101 -- Founder and Administrator of
>     http://puppet.wikia.com <http://puppet.wikia.com>
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From ianwatson at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 20:30:30 2007
From: ianwatson at gmail.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:30:30 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] New wikis this week
In-Reply-To: <8b722b800709041203i7a25150an86007ee9f502329b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b722b800709021337i20e8ed2dw90321da846f7a4ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<ecf508af0709021738ta5db8b4l5ba5720e8093bf50@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b722b800709041203i7a25150an86007ee9f502329b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecf508af0709041330p5c59ec6ew36eae383a21db2aa@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/09/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> We're developing a new tool which allow the merge of wikis if we make
> one that the community later says ought to have been somewhere else,
> so the decision to make this isn't irreversible. I'll discuss this one
> with the requester. You can also leave them a message to discuss
> whether they think the Exalted section needs to be separate at
> http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Azure_Sky_Maiden
>
> Angela
>

Thanks for your attention, Angela. Since White Wolf publishes Exalted,
covering it was one of my stated intentions. I don't get many Exalted
submissions, unfortunately, but I'd be overjoyed if someone came on
board to help fill that out.

I'm mostly aiming at keeping the WW Wiki a place for canon and
official materials, however, and not fan-created material. So
depending on where she was hoping to go with her Wiki, it may work
better separately.

-- 
_______________
Ian A. A. Watson
ianwatson at wolf-spoor.org
http://www.wolf-spoor.org/


From leon2323.wikia at googlemail.com  Wed Sep  5 20:09:11 2007
From: leon2323.wikia at googlemail.com (Leon Byford)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:09:11 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] The Daily Edit
Message-ID: <f488c7860709051309u1edcfc1frf6d65398a42692a2@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, so The Daily Edit will have a new look from next issue.  The thing
you'll notice first is that there is only one page.  I've written all about
the changes at <
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/The_Daily_Edit/2007/09#A_message_from_the_editor>.
I hope that this is for the best.

-- 
Leon Byford <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Leon2323>
Editor-in-chief of The Daily Edit <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/The_Daily_Edit>
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From dan_the_man at telus.net  Wed Sep  5 21:17:28 2007
From: dan_the_man at telus.net (DanTMan)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:17:28 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] WGEP Extensions - GENetwork Extension (Technical)
Message-ID: <46DF1CE8.5090402@telus.net>

I got back to working on the WGEP's extensions. Mainly the one which was 
supposed to give the top-level wiki a Mini-wiki like structure and also 
allow for linking throughout the project in the form of links like 
[[Anime:/seriesid/:/pagename/]] which would link to the proper location, 
be it a page on the Animepedia, or a page on another wiki. ie: Negima is 
a series listed on the Animepedia [[Anime:Negima:Negima!?]] would link 
to the Animepedia's Negima/Negima!? page. And Naruto has it's own 
Narutopedia, [[Anime:Naruto:Naruto Uzumaki]] would link to the 
Nartuopedia's Naruto Uzumaki page. (There are also a few extra features 
to it)

I already know much of how I'm going to program it but I'm just wanting 
advice from one of the techs on what method I've been thinking of I 
should use to do the system in the most optimized and fast way. Don't 
want to suggest anything to put on Wikia that slows things down or is 
any sort of burden.
-----Nontechnical people can stop here-----
Just a quick summary of what the dilemma is.
In the network we have world entries, each one has a 'World page' name 
which is the name of the base page all the pages in that Series 'world' 
or sometimes known as 'universe' is a subpage of. Individual series 
aren't exactly seperate worlds; Negima! and Negima!? both share 
characters, unique traits, etc... And are both part of the same 'world'. 
Similarly Full Metal Panic which has the original series, Fummofu, and 
The Second Raid I believe, are all part of the same world. So world != 
series just to be specific. The World page name is basically a short id 
which can be used to describe all these series. For Full Metal Panic, it 
is commonly known as FMP, Negima! and Negima!? have 'Negima' as the 
World ID. etc...
Other than the 'World page' name there are a few other items of info for 
each world. Of course there's a lengthened Display name for the World. 
So FMP would have 'Full Metal Panic' for the extended name. There is the 
'wiki' column which basically is either blank or an interwiki prefix. If 
it's blank, then that means that the entire world is located in the Top 
level wiki because there is no wiki dedicated to that world. If the 
world does have a wiki such as the Narutopedia for Naruto, then the 
'wiki' column has an interwiki link to the other wiki, in this case 
'w:c:Naruto'.
There are 2 more technical values; ForceCase and ForceSlash. ForceCase 
and ForceSlash only apply to the worlds located on the top-level wiki, 
mostly they're there as options to get around technical stuff.
On the Top-level wiki the various Character, Series, Episode, etc... 
Pages are not all placed in the base of the wiki together where many of 
them will run into Name conflicts with each other... Instead they each 
get a mini-wiki like section of their own. The world page at 
'/Worldpagename/' is an index for that world, all the pages in that 
world are subpages of that page. So the page for Full Metal Panic's 
Fummofu series would be at 'FMP/Full Metal Panic? Fummofu', the FMP 
world id at the start is what stops any name conflicts with things in 
other series. But there are 2 technical issues: The first letter of 
subpages are not automatically capitalized, and / are used in a similar 
fashion to : in this structure.
ForceCase and ForceSlash are 2 options used to get around those.
ForceSlash deals with the : and / discrepancy if somewhere the format 
'/World//Characters//Charactername/' were used. When ForceSlash is 
enabled the :'s in the World name are translated to /'s. So a link to 
[[Anime:Negima:Characters:Negi Springfield]] would point to 
'Negima/Characters/Negi Springfield'. This isn't a strong permanently 
set setting that applies everywhere because it could cause a bit of an 
issue in some cases. It is left as a boolean value for cases such as 
where a title like how Naruto's series go 'Naruto: Naruto Shippuden'. 
That : would be translated to / if it was on the Animepedia and that 
would be an issue. So it's a Boolean option that will help if it's 
needed, but otherwise is off so it doesn't break anything.
Next, ForceCase is meant to deal with the issue that subpages don't have 
their first letter automatically capitalized by the software.
ForceCase has 5 options, (Off, Uppercase, Lowercase, Uppercase Deep, and 
Lowercase Deep). When set to Uppercase the first letter of the pagename 
in [[Anime:seriesid:pagename]] is forced to upper case. So 
[[Anime:Negima:magic]] would lead to 'Negima/Magic' instead of 
'Negima/magic'. The Deep options are to deal with the previous : / 
translation issue. In the case of ForceSlash being used in the format 
shown above, if ForceCase was set to Uppercase Deep the link 
[[Anime:negima:spells:lightning arrows]] would lead to 
'Negima/Spells/Lightning arrows' when if it was only set to Uppercase it 
would lead to 'Negima/Spells/lightning arrows' and if off 
'Negima/spells/lightning arrows'.

The last bit of this erm, long summary is the id's that are used to link 
to the series. Using the World name as the single thing to link with 
isn't a very good thing to use; Full Metal Panic could be referred to as 
FMP, FullMetalPanic, Full Metal Panic, Full Metal Panic!, etc... so one 
identifier to link with doesn't work out, for much the same reason that 
the #REDIRECT [[]] exists in mediawiki, cause one way to link doesn't 
always work. So each World has a set of id's that can be used to link with.
-----Now for the technical dilemma-----
Each world has a row with id/name/wiki/forceslash/forcecase and also a 
series of id's for linking. The dilemma is how to do this.
There are 2 ways that could be considered.
A) Place worlds and id's in one table as 
'id/name/links/wiki/forceslash/forcecase' and have links be a blob field 
with a serialized array of all the id's that can be linked with.
B) Place worlds in a table as 'id/name/wiki/forceslash/forcecase' and 
put linking id's in another table as 'id/world'.
The reasoning behind B is that instead of querying every row in A and 
pulling out the arrays of id's (though the final result could be cached) 
we would use a SELECT ... WHERE id='$id' to get the world name that the 
world goes by so we can get the rest of the data.
Just to help, here's a bit of info on when certain parts of the info are 
needed:
* When linking in the format [[Anime:linkid:pagename]] and the link goes 
through, the linkid is needed to find the world's row to know where to 
redirect the link.
* When using the [[Special:GENetwork]] page, all the rows of worlds and 
linkid's are needed to populate the list.
* When on a page in the wiki, the extension needs to know if it is 
inside of a world or not, and if so, what world it is in. (This means 
pulling out everything before the first /, normalizing it, and checking 
if a world exists with that name) (This is needed to be known because 
when inside of a world extra CSS is added for that world.)
* The extension also needs to know what world it is inside of when 
someone uses the {{WORLDPAGENAME}} Magic word. The {{WORLDPAGENAME}} is 
similar to {{BASEPAGENAME}} but {{BASEPAGENAME}} won't help us out if we 
use something like 'Negima/Characters/Negi Springfield' because it will 
be returning 'Negima/Characters' instead of 'Negima'. Also 
{{WORLDPAGENAME}} returns blank if we are not on a world.

-----A little extra, second dilemma-----
This one is a bit extra, I've been going around my ideas and finding as 
many of the hacks as possible that can be replaced by some form of hook, 
extension bit, or something that does not require hacking a clean 
unhacked part of Wikia's MediaWiki code. I've managed to stop 
permissions stuff from needing a hack, needing to hack in another hook 
for css additions. And one or two other things, but I'm still running 
into a hilt with title stuff.
Changing the title around on it's own isn't an issue. But displaying 
something like 'Negima > Negima!?' where the first part is a link back 
to the main part of the world is a bit of an issue. Especially in trying 
to add the fulltitle bit below it so that people can still copy text 
they can use to link to it.

The dilemma is down to where to modify. There are 2 places that could be 
modified, each with an advantage and disadvantage:
A) includes/Skin.php can be hacked with a small minor change, to make 
this work; The advantage is that it works in all skins without needing 
to modify all the skins. But the disadvantage is that from what I know, 
Wikia is using a nice cleen Skin.php right now.
B) It would work alright to hack the individual Skin files, ie: 
Monobook.php, etc... To add a modification; The advantage is that I know 
Monobook has already been hacked, and the Quartz skins are custom made, 
and there are no other skins which really matter as the Big wikis aren't 
using these, and the Simple/MySkin/etc... skins don't really matter. But 
the disadvantage is that multiple skin files need to be altered in order 
to do this.
Though, I haven't checked yet. But it might work out a bit better to use 
B because something does need to be put below the title for what to link 
with. If you want to see what I mean:
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dantman/GE_Extended/Extra_notes#Alterations_to_the_Title_alterations
Ignore most of the stuff there except the display. The hack there is 
actually part Skin.php hack, and part hacking the individual skins... 
I'll come up with something better depending on if A or B is picked, 
that won't involve hacking both sets of files... Also the CSS is not 
going to be specifically used, because it turns it IE does not support 
the :after pseudo-class and because of that annoyance I'm going to half 
to hardcode the > separator, or use a MediaWiki message to determine 
what to use as a separator.

-- 
~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of The Gaiapedia, Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project, and Wiki-Tools.com

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From sannse at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 19:52:21 2007
From: sannse at gmail.com (sannse)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:52:21 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] The Daily Edit
In-Reply-To: <f488c7860709051309u1edcfc1frf6d65398a42692a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f488c7860709051309u1edcfc1frf6d65398a42692a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d681d9510709061252j4e37ecaeq4f14ad2f1530e5b6@mail.gmail.com>

Looks great to me Leon!

Great work on this (and yes, I voted to keep the name ;)

-- sannse

On 9/5/07, Leon Byford <leon2323.wikia at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Ok, so The Daily Edit will have a new look from next issue.  The thing
> you'll notice first is that there is only one page.  I've written all about
> the changes at <
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/The_Daily_Edit/2007/09#A_message_from_the_editor>.
>  I hope that this is for the best.
>
> --
> Leon Byford <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Leon2323 >
> Editor-in-chief of The Daily Edit
> <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/The_Daily_Edit>
> _______________________________________________
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From rsw154 at psu.edu  Thu Sep  6 21:47:22 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (Ryan Woodworth)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:47:22 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] TranslateWiki
Message-ID: <1189115242l.1577190l.0l@psu.edu>

sannse wrote:
>Looks to me as though this wiki needs to go back to it's original
>intent.

But wasn't the change originally made by Wikia itself, citing potential
copyright issues?


  --- "Ryan W"




From robinp at paradise.net.nz  Fri Sep  7 10:27:36 2007
From: robinp at paradise.net.nz (Robin Forlonge Patterson)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:27:36 +1200
Subject: [Wikia-l] How does a Wikia bureaucrat flag a bot?
References: <1189115242l.1577190l.0l@psu.edu>
Message-ID: <060101c7f139$b6567de0$912a58db@633>

We have a keen new member on the Genealogy Wikia.
He's an old-hand on Commons and looks to become a
very valuable member of the team. With my approval
he's now running a bot to change an outdated
parent category on a few thousand surname
categories.

So I've created a couple of skeletal pages
cross-referencing to Wikpedia's bot policy pages.
But now I come to the flagging bit (encouraged by
the fact that "Recent changes" has a "Hide bots"
option)  and find that we don't have a
Special:Makebot page. What do I do?

[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson,
88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026,
New Zealand
Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free
cooperative MediaWiki site



From wikia.jack at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 13:10:04 2007
From: wikia.jack at gmail.com (Jack Phoenix)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:10:04 +0300
Subject: [Wikia-l] How does a Wikia bureaucrat flag a bot?
In-Reply-To: <060101c7f139$b6567de0$912a58db@633>
References: <1189115242l.1577190l.0l@psu.edu>
	<060101c7f139$b6567de0$912a58db@633>
Message-ID: <b76fc3ed0709070610t794db048q47a6cb909fc277b9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Robin,

MakeBot extension <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MakeBot> is not
yet available to bureaucrats; from what I've heard, it will be added
sometimes in the near future and it's already in beta testing on
WoWWiki<http://www.wowwiki.com> .
In the meanwhile, if you need a bot account flagged as such, please contact
a member of Wikia's Community Team<http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Team>
.

Thanks,

-Jack Phoenix
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From robinp at paradise.net.nz  Fri Sep  7 15:12:57 2007
From: robinp at paradise.net.nz (Robin Forlonge Patterson)
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:12:57 +1200
Subject: [Wikia-l] How does a Wikia bureaucrat flag a bot?
References: <1189115242l.1577190l.0l@psu.edu>
	<060101c7f139$b6567de0$912a58db@633>
	<b76fc3ed0709070610t794db048q47a6cb909fc277b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <064a01c7f161$ace10be0$912a58db@633>

Thank you, Jack.

[Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, 
88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026, New Zealand
Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974
http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp
And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free cooperative MediaWiki site

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jack Phoenix 
  To: Central Wikia Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] How does a Wikia bureaucrat flag a bot?


  Hi Robin,

  MakeBot extension is not yet available to bureaucrats; from what I've heard, it will be added sometimes in the near future and it's already in beta testing on WoWWiki . In the meanwhile, if you need a bot account flagged as such, please contact a member of Wikia's Community Team.

  Thanks,

  -Jack Phoenix


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From sannse at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 17:23:52 2007
From: sannse at gmail.com (sannse)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:23:52 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] TranslateWiki
In-Reply-To: <1189115242l.1577190l.0l@psu.edu>
References: <1189115242l.1577190l.0l@psu.edu>
Message-ID: <d681d9510709071023p5cb14d6ax1538d9374506d3d9@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/6/07, Ryan Woodworth <rsw154 at psu.edu> wrote:
> sannse wrote:
> >Looks to me as though this wiki needs to go back to it's original
> >intent.
>
> But wasn't the change originally made by Wikia itself, citing potential
> copyright issues?

Not as far as I know... is there a link to that discussion?

The original description page said: "for collaborative translations of
free texts and fair use extracts".  As long as contributors are
careful about what is translated, there should be no problem.  For
example, a page from Wikipedia (under the GFDL) could be translated
and fed back into the Wikipedia project with no problems at all.  All
versions would remain under the GFDL.

I think there are plenty of suitable texts to work on, and it could be
a great resource.

-- sannse


From beesley at gmail.com  Mon Sep 10 23:06:13 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:06:13 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] 80 new wikis this week
Message-ID: <8b722b800709101606o3c4b5cc2v95e55fc65a17138c@mail.gmail.com>

This is a list of wikis created last week. There's an amazing 80 new
wikis in 14 languages! We're still gathering wikis on the greatest
games and added 27 new gaming wikis this week. If you're not a gamer,
there's also travel, shopping, beer, music, movies, literature,
education, and more... see below for the full list.

You can also view this list at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/New_wikis_this_week

English - Gaming

    * Prime Games (game company) http://primegames.wikia.com
    * Halo Resort (machinima clan) http://haloresort.wikia.com
    * Glorantha (gaming world) http://glorantha.wikia.com
    * Archlord (MMORPG) http://archlord.wikia.com
    * Myth Drannor (Neverwinter Nights gaming world)
http://mythdrannor.wikia.com
    * Star Wars Roleplay Planet Naboo http://naboo.wikia.com
    * Colony Wars (game) http://colonywars.wikia.com
    * World of Warcraft Roleplay http://wowroleplay.wikia.com
    * Drow Wars (Neverwinter Nights gaming world) http://drowwars.wikia.com
    * Video Games http://videogames.wikia.com
    * City Building Games http://citybuildinggames.wikia.com
    * Iceburg Inc (gaming community) http://iceburginc.wikia.com
    * Space Cowboy (game) http://spacecowboy.wikia.com
    * VisualBoy Advance (Nintendo Game Boy emulator)
http://visualboyadvance.wikia.com
    * Virapets (virtual pets game) http://virapets.wikia.com
    * Unreal (game engine) http://unreal.wikia.com
    * Astro Empires (game) http://astroempires.wikia.com
    * Galava (browser game) http://galava.wikia.com
    * Monster in My Pocket (TV, comics, games)
http://monsterinmypocket.wikia.com

English - Other

    * Ultraman (TV) http://ultraman.wikia.com
    * Trapped in the Closet (R. Kelly music & movies) http://titc.wikia.com
    * Bioarchitecture (ecological construction) http://bioarchitecture.wikia.com
    * Basketball http://basketball.wikia.com
    * BJAODN (Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense) http://bjaodn.wikia.com
    * International Association of Conference Centers http://iacc.wikia.com
    * The Sith Council (Star Wars forum) http://thesithcouncil.wikia.com
    * Criss Angel (magician) http://crissangel.wikia.com
    * Teen Titans (animation) http://teentitans.wikia.com
    * FC United of Manchester (football) http://fcum.wikia.com
    * Amiga (software and hardware) http://amiga.wikia.com
    * Acne http://acne.wikia.com
    * Star Wars Non Canon (sci-fi) http://starwarsnoncanon.wikia.com
    * ProtonTECH (technology) http://protontech.wikia.com
    * Leet (geek language) http://leet.wikia.com
    * Raw (raw vegan organic live-food) http://raw.wikia.com
    * Quizbowl (quizes) http://quizbowl.wikia.com
    * Codex (sci-fi book) http://codex.wikia.com
    * Business Process Management http://bpmroundtable.wikia.com
    * Independent Education http://independenteducation.wikia.com
    * Music Business Education http://musicbiz.wikia.com
    * Diaspora http://diaspora.wikia.com
    * HG Wells (sci-fi author) http://hgwells.wikia.com
    * Open Source Sports Directory http://ossd.wikia.com
    * Sonic Youth (band) http://sonicyouth.wikia.com
    * Geological Travel http://geotravel.wikia.com
    * Xenobiologics (molecular biology research) http://xenobiologics.wikia.com
    * Cthulhu (literature) http://cthulhu.wikia.com
    * Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire & Rescue http://shvfr.wikia.com
    * Lords of Legends (literature) http://lordsoflegends.wikia.com
    * Blue Oxygen (open source software) http://blueoxygen.wikia.com

Chinese

    * Rso (card game) http://zh.rso.wikia.com
    * Libraries http://zh-cn.libraries.wikia.com

Danish

    * Aabnestandarder (open standards) http://da.aabnestandarder.wikia.com

French

    * Voyages (travel) http://voyages.wikia.com
    * Linux http://fr.linux.wikia.com
    * Consommateur (shopping) http://fr.consommateur.wikia.com
    * Mauritius (place) http://mauritius.wikia.com
    * La presse 2.0 (press association) http://lapresse.wikia.com
    * ENSAF (education) http://ensaf.wikia.com

Hebrew

    * Yad Binyamin (place) http://he.yadbinyamin.wikia.com

Italian

    * Palermo Calcio (Italian football club) http://palermocalcio.wikia.com

Japanese

    * Sanpo (walking) http://ja.sanpo.wikia.com
    * Zigbee (wireless standard) http://ja.zigbee.wikia.com
    * Back to the Future (movies) http://ja.bttf.wikia.com

Italian

    * Frets on Fire (music video game) http://it.fof.wikia.com

Lithuanian

    * Nesamopedija (Uncyclopedia) http://nesamopedija.wikia.com
    * Jonavos Kra?to (place) http://lt.jke.wikia.com

Norwegian

    * World of Warcraft (MMORPG) http://nn.wow.wikia.com

Polish

    * Fading Suns (game) http://gasnaceslonca.wikia.com
    * UGamela (polish internet game) http://ugamela.wikia.com

Portuguese

    * Harry Potter (books and movies) http://pt.harrypotter.wikia.com
    * Informatica (computing) http://pt-br.informatica.wikia.com
    * Restaurants http://pt.restaurantes.wikia.com
    * Dublagem (music) http://dublagem.wikia.com

Russian

    * Path of light (magic rituals and techniques)
http://ru.pathoflight.wikia.com
    * JRPG (role playing games) http://ru.jrpg.wikia.com

Spanish

    * Ratchet and Clank (gaming) http://es.ratchet.wikia.com
    * Sega (gaming) http://es.sega.wikia.com
    * Stanislaw Lem (author) http://es.stanislawlem.wikia.com
    * Cerveza (beer) http://cerveza.wikia.com

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From imaginationac at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 01:50:26 2007
From: imaginationac at gmail.com (Dorian Patterson)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:50:26 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] License selector for Aselia
Message-ID: <46E5F462.6040202@gmail.com>

It would be awesome if Aselia had the license selector for images.

-- 
Dorian Patterson
Undergraduate - University of Georgia
imaginationac at gmail.com



From beesley at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 04:44:08 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] License selector for Aselia
In-Reply-To: <46E5F462.6040202@gmail.com>
References: <46E5F462.6040202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b722b800709102144u383af758re1a888fb07a577de@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/10/07, Dorian Patterson <imaginationac at gmail.com> wrote:
> It would be awesome if Aselia had the license selector for images.

Hi Dorian,

I've added to the Aselia wiki.

If anyone else wants to add this for another wiki (newer wikis already
have this), the easiest way to do it is to export the pages listed at
http://starter.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Copyright_tags and import it to
your wiki and then copy
http://starter.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses to your wiki. This
will make the license selector appear in Special:Upload.

There's a rough guide to this at
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:License_selector

Angela

-- 
Angela Beesley
Wikia.com


From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 23:46:16 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:46:16 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
Message-ID: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>

Is job queue run on any kind of a schedule? I am constantly running into
this issue and I am sure #wikia is tired of hearing me complain about it.

-- 
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From duncan at wikia.com  Wed Sep 12 05:01:34 2007
From: duncan at wikia.com (Matthew Silvey)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:01:34 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>

Bill,

For which wiki?  There is a general run once a day and specific runs  
for very large wikis.

Matthew
On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:

> Is job queue run on any kind of a schedule? I am constantly running  
> into this issue and I am sure #wikia is tired of hearing me  
> complain about it.
>
> -- 
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. < billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l



From c.stafford at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 06:02:55 2007
From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:02:55 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <613c581d0709112302g2388a387t72570e5eb7c4be54@mail.gmail.com>

http://eq2.wikia.com

On 9/12/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> For which wiki?  There is a general run once a day and specific runs
> for very large wikis.
>
> Matthew
> On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:
>
> > Is job queue run on any kind of a schedule? I am constantly running
> > into this issue and I am sure #wikia is tired of hearing me
> > complain about it.
> >
> > --
> > Bill W. Smith, Jr. < billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikia-l mailing list
> > Wikia-l at wikia.com
> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 06:04:28 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>

well, my 2 are lon.wikia.com and eq2.wikia.com

lon is an issue because it is new and we have been doing ALOT of structural
work

eq2 is just huge to where the smallest template mods make for some
considerable backlog


On 9/12/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> For which wiki?  There is a general run once a day and specific runs
> for very large wikis.
>
> Matthew
>

-- 
Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
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From sannse at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 20:28:53 2007
From: sannse at gmail.com (sannse)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:28:53 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d681d9510709121328t12e7e247s7afdef5f6e1185d@mail.gmail.com>

lon should catch up as you finish with the initial set-up, so I don't
think a change will be needed there.

Eq2 has a problem at the moment, it's not clearing automatically as it
should. That's being looked at, so hopefully will be fixed soon.

-- sannse

On 9/11/07, Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com> wrote:
> well, my 2 are lon.wikia.com and eq2.wikia.com
>
> lon is an issue because it is new and we have been doing ALOT of structural
> work
>
> eq2 is just huge to where the smallest template mods make for some
> considerable backlog
>
>
> On 9/12/07, Matthew Silvey <duncan at wikia.com> wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > For which wiki?  There is a general run once a day and specific runs
> > for very large wikis.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
>
> --
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com >
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 21:01:27 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:01:27 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <d681d9510709121328t12e7e247s7afdef5f6e1185d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>
	<d681d9510709121328t12e7e247s7afdef5f6e1185d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>

Sannse, lon's current queue length is 6,921. It is not clearing. NO template
changes have been made in the last 12 hours to explain the size of that
queue. Very few pages have been edited today. A dozen or so.

On 9/12/07, sannse <sannse at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> lon should catch up as you finish with the initial set-up, so I don't
> think a change will be needed there.
>
> Eq2 has a problem at the moment, it's not clearing automatically as it
> should. That's being looked at, so hopefully will be fixed soon.
>
> -- sannse
>


-- 
Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Sep 12 22:06:34 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:06:34 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>	<1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>	<d681d9510709121328t12e7e247s7afdef5f6e1185d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46E862EA.7080406@wikia.com>

Hi Bill,

We took a look at this today...  there is a script called "runJobs.php" 
that executes against that list. We run it once for every wiki and on 
other wikis it's running fine. On eq2 and lon it isn't ... I had someone 
start it again manually today (Poland time) and have asked them to take 
a closer look at what makes this stop running for those wikis.

Thanks,
John Q.


Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:
> Sannse, lon's current queue length is 6,921. It is not clearing. NO 
> template changes have been made in the last 12 hours to explain the 
> size of that queue. Very few pages have been edited today. A dozen or so.
>
> On 9/12/07, *sannse* <sannse at gmail.com <mailto:sannse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     lon should catch up as you finish with the initial set-up, so I don't
>     think a change will be needed there.
>
>     Eq2 has a problem at the moment, it's not clearing automatically as it
>     should. That's being looked at, so hopefully will be fixed soon.
>
>     -- sannse
>
>
>
> -- 
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From sannse at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 22:08:26 2007
From: sannse at gmail.com (sannse)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:08:26 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>
	<d681d9510709121328t12e7e247s7afdef5f6e1185d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d681d9510709121508k7d2de7b9ncc33d9c9c6acda1@mail.gmail.com>

If I recall the queue runs at midnight California time, so I'll check
it tomorrow and see if it's cleared over night.  If not it may be the
same problem that's affecting eq2, and I'll make sure the technical
team are aware that it's affecting another wiki.

-- sannse

On 9/12/07, Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sannse, lon's current queue length is 6,921. It is not clearing. NO template
> changes have been made in the last 12 hours to explain the size of that
> queue. Very few pages have been edited today. A dozen or so.
>
>  On 9/12/07, sannse <sannse at gmail.com> wrote:
> > lon should catch up as you finish with the initial set-up, so I don't
> > think a change will be needed there.
> >
> > Eq2 has a problem at the moment, it's not clearing automatically as it
> > should. That's being looked at, so hopefully will be fixed soon.
> >
> > -- sannse
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 22:41:58 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:41:58 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <d681d9510709121508k7d2de7b9ncc33d9c9c6acda1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>
	<d681d9510709121328t12e7e247s7afdef5f6e1185d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d681d9510709121508k7d2de7b9ncc33d9c9c6acda1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ca5756c0709121541n76c339dcj57764ed7c3512a32@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Sannse and Johnq...

rar  :)



-- 
Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
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From catherine at wikia.com  Wed Sep 12 23:42:47 2007
From: catherine at wikia.com (Catherine Munro)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:42:47 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] YouTube videos in templates
Message-ID: <d9da36c70709121642i46f48ca2ge21ce7226b0649fd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Wanted you to know we'd found a way to allow YouTube videos to be used
within templates, without the need for template substitution.     Please see
http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Template_talk:YouTube for documentation  -- feel
free to copy the template into your local wiki and adapt it to your own
purposes.

Have fun!
Catherine


[[User:CatherineMunro]]
Wikia Community Team
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From jamie at marveldatabase.com  Thu Sep 13 01:29:28 2007
From: jamie at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:29:28 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] YouTube videos in templates
In-Reply-To: <d9da36c70709121642i46f48ca2ge21ce7226b0649fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9da36c70709121642i46f48ca2ge21ce7226b0649fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <757d22db0709121829j36ac3f2vec66aefd83633b3d@mail.gmail.com>

We just started playing around with this extension at the Marvel Database
Project about a week ago.
Definitely cool stuff! I wish we had started sooner...

I highly encourage everyone to try it, if they haven't already!


Cheers,


-- 
Jamie Hari
Editor-in-Chief
Marvel & DC Database Projects


On 9/12/07, Catherine Munro <catherine at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Wanted you to know we'd found a way to allow YouTube videos to be used
> within templates, without the need for template substitution.     Please see
> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Template_talk:YouTube for documentation  -- feel
> free to copy the template into your local wiki and adapt it to your own
> purposes.
>
> Have fun!
> Catherine
>
>
> [[User:CatherineMunro]]
> Wikia Community Team
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From martineznovo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 19:26:15 2007
From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:26:15 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] Messed Monobook's common css
Message-ID: <ca7a6a1b0709131226m5d15b81bs9f874c052ccc3a21@mail.gmail.com>

Can anybody fix this?

The following code in
<http://images.wikia.com/common/skins/monobook/main.css?20070913153200>
creates a weird margin in the sidebar in Monobook

/* macbre: prevent bullet display in widgets list */
#content ul,
#article ul, /* for new skin */
#globalWrapper ul
{
	line-height: 1.5em;
	list-style-type: square;
	margin: .3em 1.5em 0 1.5em;
	padding: 0;
	list-style-image: url(bullet.gif);
}


Why the hell is placed the code here if it's for the "new skin"? The
original code was:

ul {
	line-height: 1.5em;
	list-style-type: square;
	margin: .3em 0 0 1.5em;
	padding: 0;
	list-style-image: url(bullet.gif);
}


Thanks


From nethacdiu.98 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:52:45 2007
From: nethacdiu.98 at gmail.com (Nethac DIU)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:52:45 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] Suggestions...?
Message-ID: <50098bb0709140352gf4280e5t3400e60005fd88ca@mail.gmail.com>

** GMAIL PAGE CRASHED IN THE MOMENT OF SENDING THE MAIL, SO IT'S POSSIBLE IT
APPEARS FRAGMENTED. I'M SENDING IT AGAIN TO AVOID THAT HAPPENING. IF THE
PREVIOUS MAIL ENDED WITH "Sincerely, Nethac DIU" THEN YOU HAVE RECEIVED IT
CORRECTLY, BUT PLEASE, SCROLL DOWN TO THE END TO SEE AN UPDATE **

Hello, I wanted to write here a pair of ideas I published time ago about
traffic, and also a comment about the new skin. Opinnions will be
apreciated, thanks!

About traffic: do you think it's a good idea to add a JavaScript mode that
only downloads the content of the page? Something like, instead of
downloading all the menu again (links to new article, recent changes and
such) download only the code of the article (using the already installed
trick action=raw) and after this would be interpeted in the personal
computer, so it would save work to the servers, specially time, but also a
bit in data sent.

About that idea people commented that probably it would be slower due to
some problem with cach?s (honestly I didn't understand that comment, I know
what are cach?s, but don't know where is the problem) and with nested
templates, but one of them said I could comment it at wikitech anyways. As I
didn't know about that list and hadn't this e-mail account, I didn't
comment, but now I remembered it and I am posting it here. Hope it is a
correct place too.

The new idea is that action=raw can be applied to special pages too. It can
be useful for monitoring bots (or there is already a system for that?)

And concerning to the skin, if I'm not wrong someone posted that it would
look better if it was more compact and left more space to the actual page,
like grouping all the links to the right in only one column. If there is a
votation about that, I will vote yes. But that wasn't the important thing...
today I noticed that if the text is very long and cannot be wrapped by lack
of spaces, it will overflow the page and go onto the links. That problem
already happened with pre tags, but it wasn't so problematic since the skin
was Monobook and the links were at the left, it only made the page wider.

An example can be seen at
http://factualnonsense.wikia.com/index.php?title=Rolling_your_head_on_the_keyboard_page.&oldid=2678


I know that case is excepcional, but anyways something should be done about
that. There may be problems with serious content.

And that's all. Maybe I'm just oversizing it all and posting ideas that will
be impractical, but I wanted to know opinnions and if it would truly be
impractical. Sincerely, Nethac DIU.

UPDATE: I forgot... they also said me that there was already a project for
that, but only working for Firefox and requiring it to upload with the rest
of the PHP files... it was at http://wikiwyg.org/wysi but apparently it got
deleted, now it looks like a server for sell...
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From martineznovo at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 15:34:43 2007
From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:34:43 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] Suggestions...?
In-Reply-To: <50098bb0709140352gf4280e5t3400e60005fd88ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50098bb0709140352gf4280e5t3400e60005fd88ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca7a6a1b0709140834v4378c1e1t6c30b7105a61194f@mail.gmail.com>

Client-side content processing is a really BAD idea. If JavaScript is
broken, the user has disabled it or the browser doesn't support it the
page would be unusable. And remember that the google/msn/etc spider's
also doesn't understand javascript, so they won't index any page of
the wiki, and this is something undesirable, isn't it? :)

And these are only problems about processing JavaScript. The main
problem would be processing the wiki code... templates,
parserfunctions....

The servers were created to do this job :) Each page doesn't need to
be processed every time thanks to the cache servers, except for
logged-in users, that need special buttons and some changes to the
interface, and it could be avoided if these changes were made using
Ajax (only after detect that the browser effectively support this)

About the sidebar, my suggestion is to make the entire sidebar
collapsible, but there's no reply yet on this:
<http://inside.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=103>

Best regards.

Jes?s - [[User:Ciencia Al Poder]]


2007/9/14, Nethac DIU <nethacdiu.98 at gmail.com>:
> ** GMAIL PAGE CRASHED IN THE MOMENT OF SENDING THE MAIL, SO IT'S POSSIBLE IT
> APPEARS FRAGMENTED. I'M SENDING IT AGAIN TO AVOID THAT HAPPENING. IF THE
> PREVIOUS MAIL ENDED WITH "Sincerely, Nethac DIU" THEN YOU HAVE RECEIVED IT
> CORRECTLY, BUT PLEASE, SCROLL DOWN TO THE END TO SEE AN UPDATE **
>
> Hello, I wanted to write here a pair of ideas I published time ago about
> traffic, and also a comment about the new skin. Opinnions will be
> apreciated, thanks!
>
> About traffic: do you think it's a good idea to add a JavaScript mode that
> only downloads the content of the page? Something like, instead of
> downloading all the menu again (links to new article, recent changes and
> such) download only the code of the article (using the already installed
> trick action=raw) and after this would be interpeted in the personal
> computer, so it would save work to the servers, specially time, but also a
> bit in data sent.
>
> About that idea people commented that probably it would be slower due to
> some problem with cach?s (honestly I didn't understand that comment, I know
> what are cach?s, but don't know where is the problem) and with nested
> templates, but one of them said I could comment it at wikitech anyways. As I
> didn't know about that list and hadn't this e-mail account, I didn't
> comment, but now I remembered it and I am posting it here. Hope it is a
> correct place too.
>
> The new idea is that action=raw can be applied to special pages too. It can
> be useful for monitoring bots (or there is already a system for that?)
>
> And concerning to the skin, if I'm not wrong someone posted that it would
> look better if it was more compact and left more space to the actual page,
> like grouping all the links to the right in only one column. If there is a
> votation about that, I will vote yes. But that wasn't the important thing...
> today I noticed that if the text is very long and cannot be wrapped by lack
> of spaces, it will overflow the page and go onto the links. That problem
> already happened with pre tags, but it wasn't so problematic since the skin
> was Monobook and the links were at the left, it only made the page wider.
>
> An example can be seen at
> http://factualnonsense.wikia.com/index.php?title=Rolling_your_head_on_the_keyboard_page.&oldid=2678
>
> I know that case is excepcional, but anyways something should be done about
> that. There may be problems with serious content.
>
> And that's all. Maybe I'm just oversizing it all and posting ideas that will
> be impractical, but I wanted to know opinnions and if it would truly be
> impractical. Sincerely, Nethac DIU.
>
> UPDATE: I forgot... they also said me that there was already a project for
> that, but only working for Firefox and requiring it to upload with the rest
> of the PHP files... it was at http://wikiwyg.org/wysi but apparently it got
> deleted, now it looks like a server for sell...
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


From dan_the_man at telus.net  Fri Sep 14 17:58:00 2007
From: dan_the_man at telus.net (DanTMan)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Suggestions...?
In-Reply-To: <ca7a6a1b0709140834v4378c1e1t6c30b7105a61194f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50098bb0709140352gf4280e5t3400e60005fd88ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<ca7a6a1b0709140834v4378c1e1t6c30b7105a61194f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EACBA8.5050308@telus.net>

It also isn't a very good idea not to reload the sidebar and tabs.
The Toolbox in the sidebar is always dependent on what page you are on. 
It will list user contributions if in the user area of an existent area. 
Permanent links to a page, etc...
Then there's the tabs. Each page has it's own set of tabs. The Special 
tab for Special pages always has the same link you are currently on, 
each article has the article, talk, and various edit, watch, delete, and 
protect tabs. And these all change depending on what access the user 
has, what level of protection the page has, and if the user has the page 
in their watchlist or not.
Another issue with removing the page load from happening is with User 
scripts. I add a User tabmenu when I'm in a userspace to give me a few 
useful tools. As well as a number of other things, some of these are 
dependent on what is on the page and therefore will not load right if 
the page load is eliminated.
And the last issue is with site JS... If you remove the page load... You 
remove the ability to use Collapsible tables, the Show/Hide NavFrame, 
Table Sorting, and the new TabView extension one of the techs nicely put 
together from YUI. ^_^ And now... you have 85% of Wikia staring at you 
with murderous faces because you broke 90% of their fancy features and 
ability to customize their own experience...

~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of The Gaiapedia, Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project, and Wiki-Tools.com

Jes?s Mart?nez wrote:
> Client-side content processing is a really BAD idea. If JavaScript is
> broken, the user has disabled it or the browser doesn't support it the
> page would be unusable. And remember that the google/msn/etc spider's
> also doesn't understand javascript, so they won't index any page of
> the wiki, and this is something undesirable, isn't it? :)
>
> And these are only problems about processing JavaScript. The main
> problem would be processing the wiki code... templates,
> parserfunctions....
>
> The servers were created to do this job :) Each page doesn't need to
> be processed every time thanks to the cache servers, except for
> logged-in users, that need special buttons and some changes to the
> interface, and it could be avoided if these changes were made using
> Ajax (only after detect that the browser effectively support this)
>
> About the sidebar, my suggestion is to make the entire sidebar
> collapsible, but there's no reply yet on this:
> <http://inside.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=103>
>
> Best regards.
>
> Jes?s - [[User:Ciencia Al Poder]]
>
>
> 2007/9/14, Nethac DIU <nethacdiu.98 at gmail.com>:
>   
>> ** GMAIL PAGE CRASHED IN THE MOMENT OF SENDING THE MAIL, SO IT'S POSSIBLE IT
>> APPEARS FRAGMENTED. I'M SENDING IT AGAIN TO AVOID THAT HAPPENING. IF THE
>> PREVIOUS MAIL ENDED WITH "Sincerely, Nethac DIU" THEN YOU HAVE RECEIVED IT
>> CORRECTLY, BUT PLEASE, SCROLL DOWN TO THE END TO SEE AN UPDATE **
>>
>> Hello, I wanted to write here a pair of ideas I published time ago about
>> traffic, and also a comment about the new skin. Opinnions will be
>> apreciated, thanks!
>>
>> About traffic: do you think it's a good idea to add a JavaScript mode that
>> only downloads the content of the page? Something like, instead of
>> downloading all the menu again (links to new article, recent changes and
>> such) download only the code of the article (using the already installed
>> trick action=raw) and after this would be interpeted in the personal
>> computer, so it would save work to the servers, specially time, but also a
>> bit in data sent.
>>
>> About that idea people commented that probably it would be slower due to
>> some problem with cach?s (honestly I didn't understand that comment, I know
>> what are cach?s, but don't know where is the problem) and with nested
>> templates, but one of them said I could comment it at wikitech anyways. As I
>> didn't know about that list and hadn't this e-mail account, I didn't
>> comment, but now I remembered it and I am posting it here. Hope it is a
>> correct place too.
>>
>> The new idea is that action=raw can be applied to special pages too. It can
>> be useful for monitoring bots (or there is already a system for that?)
>>
>> And concerning to the skin, if I'm not wrong someone posted that it would
>> look better if it was more compact and left more space to the actual page,
>> like grouping all the links to the right in only one column. If there is a
>> votation about that, I will vote yes. But that wasn't the important thing...
>> today I noticed that if the text is very long and cannot be wrapped by lack
>> of spaces, it will overflow the page and go onto the links. That problem
>> already happened with pre tags, but it wasn't so problematic since the skin
>> was Monobook and the links were at the left, it only made the page wider.
>>
>> An example can be seen at
>> http://factualnonsense.wikia.com/index.php?title=Rolling_your_head_on_the_keyboard_page.&oldid=2678
>>
>> I know that case is excepcional, but anyways something should be done about
>> that. There may be problems with serious content.
>>
>> And that's all. Maybe I'm just oversizing it all and posting ideas that will
>> be impractical, but I wanted to know opinnions and if it would truly be
>> impractical. Sincerely, Nethac DIU.
>>
>> UPDATE: I forgot... they also said me that there was already a project for
>> that, but only working for Firefox and requiring it to upload with the rest
>> of the PHP files... it was at http://wikiwyg.org/wysi but apparently it got
>> deleted, now it looks like a server for sell...
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikia-l mailing list
>> Wikia-l at wikia.com
>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>>
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>   


From martineznovo at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 18:50:49 2007
From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:50:49 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] Suggestions...?
In-Reply-To: <46EACBA8.5050308@telus.net>
References: <50098bb0709140352gf4280e5t3400e60005fd88ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<ca7a6a1b0709140834v4378c1e1t6c30b7105a61194f@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EACBA8.5050308@telus.net>
Message-ID: <ca7a6a1b0709141150t494688dbm5ebd32d8db1a147e@mail.gmail.com>

Nested comments:

2007/9/14, DanTMan wrote
> It also isn't a very good idea not to reload the sidebar and tabs.
> The Toolbox in the sidebar is always dependent on what page you are on.
> It will list user contributions if in the user area of an existent area.
> Permanent links to a page, etc...

It all could be done with javascript. Not only the content would be
returned with Ajax. Also some javascript code like the code is
injected in all headers. Some of the variables: wgCanonicalNamespace,
wgCanonicalSpecialPageName, wgNamespaceNumber.

> Then there's the tabs. Each page has it's own set of tabs. The Special
> tab for Special pages always has the same link you are currently on,
> each article has the article, talk, and various edit, watch, delete, and
> protect tabs. And these all change depending on what access the user
> has, what level of protection the page has, and if the user has the page
> in their watchlist or not.

wgUserGroups = ["bureaucrat", "sysop", "*", "user", "autoconfirmed",
"emailconfirmed"]; and so on :)

> Another issue with removing the page load from happening is with User
> scripts. I add a User tabmenu when I'm in a userspace to give me a few
> useful tools. As well as a number of other things, some of these are
> dependent on what is on the page and therefore will not load right if
> the page load is eliminated.

If people is using addOnloadHook() function to load personal stuff,
the load of new content could do a call to addOnloadHook(), or call
other global function so users could adapt its scripts to the
different "concept" of page load.


> And the last issue is with site JS... If you remove the page load... You
> remove the ability to use Collapsible tables, the Show/Hide NavFrame,
> Table Sorting, and the new TabView extension one of the techs nicely put
> together from YUI. ^_^ And now... you have 85% of Wikia staring at you
> with murderous faces because you broke 90% of their fancy features and
> ability to customize their own experience...

Same as last commnet. And it's not the first time Wikia breaks our
fancy features...
<http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Images_in_%22sortable%22_tables>
<http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Miniupload_and_image_licensing>
<http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Myskin_problem>
and more! :)


Ok, it would be a major change, but the idea is great. just an
"extension" of TabView extension
<http://toys.wikia.com/wiki/TabViewTest>


From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 20:17:26 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:17:26 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] QuartSlate and Smoke issues
Message-ID: <1ca5756c0709141317m2f307662i19fb094480644495@mail.gmail.com>

I have mentioned this on #wikia but thought I would add it here hoping that
some skin-devs will see it.

Double-click to edit does not work on the Quartz pages.

-- 
Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
[[w:c:eq2:User:FlorenceSopher]]
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From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 20:22:03 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:22:03 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <1ca5756c0709121541n76c339dcj57764ed7c3512a32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>
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Last template edit on eq2 was yesterday before midnight central time.
Current jq on eq2 is over 41k, so looks like eq2's jq did not run to
completion last night.

lon's did, though! :)

On 9/12/07, Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Sannse and Johnq...
>
> rar  :)
>
>
>
> --
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
>
[[w:c:eq2:User:FlorenceSopher]]


-- 
Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Fri Sep 14 23:59:30 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:59:30 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <1ca5756c0709141322y74d4d81foc64616941ec7b276@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>	<1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>	<d681d9510709121328t12e7e247s7afdef5f6e1185d@mail.gmail.com>	<1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>	<d681d9510709121508k7d2de7b9ncc33d9c9c6acda1@mail.gmail.com>	<1ca5756c0709121541n76c339dcj57764ed7c3512a32@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709141322y74d4d81foc64616941ec7b276@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>

Hi ... I just sent a note to the engineer running these. He had 
restarted on both Lon and EQ2 ... so obviously we're going to have to 
dig deeper on EQ2 to see what's preventing the script from finishing. 
Also, the larger the db, the longer it takes... so could be eq2 is still 
running. I've asked him to look in on it.

Thanks,
Q.


Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:
> Last template edit on eq2 was yesterday before midnight central time. 
> Current jq on eq2 is over 41k, so looks like eq2's jq did not run to 
> completion last night.
>
> lon's did, though! :)
>
> On 9/12/07, *Bill W. Smith, Jr.* <billwsmithjr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Thank you, Sannse and Johnq...
>
>     rar  :)
>
>
>
>     -- 
>
>     Bill W. Smith, Jr. < billwsmithjr at gmail.com
>     <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>>
>
> [[w:c:eq2:User:FlorenceSopher]]
>
>
> -- 
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Sat Sep 15 00:05:45 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:05:45 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] QuartSlate and Smoke issues
In-Reply-To: <1ca5756c0709141317m2f307662i19fb094480644495@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709141317m2f307662i19fb094480644495@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EB21D9.2040209@wikia.com>

Ok, thanks...  just verified it myself. Forwarding for someone to look at.

Thanks,
John Q.


Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:
> I have mentioned this on #wikia but thought I would add it here hoping 
> that some skin-devs will see it.
>
> Double-click to edit does not work on the Quartz pages.
>
> -- 
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. < billwsmithjr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>>
> [[w:c:eq2:User:FlorenceSopher]]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 01:40:37 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:40:37 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E38912B2-91AF-445A-9D36-F4A9A32C7C05@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709112304o743bb7e2i63700929b9602aff@mail.gmail.com>
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	<46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <1ca5756c0709141840g661dfb8fq1a86b7fa81955f53@mail.gmail.com>

I checked that. Refreshed the page several times over 5 minutes or so. The
count was not moving. :|

On 9/14/07, John Q <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi ... I just sent a note to the engineer running these. He had
> restarted on both Lon and EQ2 ... so obviously we're going to have to
> dig deeper on EQ2 to see what's preventing the script from finishing.
> Also, the larger the db, the longer it takes... so could be eq2 is still
> running. I've asked him to look in on it.
>
-- 
Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com>
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From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 02:07:01 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:07:01 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Float inside a float?
Message-ID: <1ca5756c0709141907u46b1e4det2db872e8574ed8d0@mail.gmail.com>

Can I float an [[image:]] in the bottom right of a box that is, itself,
float:right?

On this page (http://lon.wikia.com/wiki/Honed_Reflexes) and similar pages, I
would like the arrowhead-like icon in the bottom right to float so that it
overlaps the row with the illustrator's name AND the row below that...
-- 
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From dan_the_man at telus.net  Sat Sep 15 02:18:15 2007
From: dan_the_man at telus.net (DanTMan)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:18:15 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Suggestions...?
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Jes?s Mart?nez wrote:
> Nested comments:
>
> 2007/9/14, DanTMan wrote
>   
>> It also isn't a very good idea not to reload the sidebar and tabs.
>> The Toolbox in the sidebar is always dependent on what page you are on.
>> It will list user contributions if in the user area of an existent area.
>> Permanent links to a page, etc...
>>     
>
> It all could be done with javascript. Not only the content would be
> returned with Ajax. Also some javascript code like the code is
> injected in all headers. Some of the variables: wgCanonicalNamespace,
> wgCanonicalSpecialPageName, wgNamespaceNumber.
>
>   
>> Then there's the tabs. Each page has it's own set of tabs. The Special
>> tab for Special pages always has the same link you are currently on,
>> each article has the article, talk, and various edit, watch, delete, and
>> protect tabs. And these all change depending on what access the user
>> has, what level of protection the page has, and if the user has the page
>> in their watchlist or not.
>>     
>
> wgUserGroups = ["bureaucrat", "sysop", "*", "user", "autoconfirmed",
> "emailconfirmed"]; and so on :)
>
>   
And you're saying we rewrite half the MediaWiki code in JS to set tabs 
and toolbox items, using groups without rights info which Wikia could 
change at any time. That just doesn't work.
>> Another issue with removing the page load from happening is with User
>> scripts. I add a User tabmenu when I'm in a userspace to give me a few
>> useful tools. As well as a number of other things, some of these are
>> dependent on what is on the page and therefore will not load right if
>> the page load is eliminated.
>>     
>
> If people is using addOnloadHook() function to load personal stuff,
> the load of new content could do a call to addOnloadHook(), or call
> other global function so users could adapt its scripts to the
> different "concept" of page load.
>   
Ya... then I get a brand new WikiSwitch tab each time addOnloadHook is 
called and you fill up users screens because user's scripts are not 
designed to have addOnloadHook called multiple times on a page.
And what If I'm not using addOnloadHook? Some people could be using 
YUI's load functions, or they may have code which is actually run when 
the code is actually being run through. Also remember that user's 
methods of loading extra JS or CSS, which is also page dependent can 
only be one during the real loading of the page.
Whatever you do, with this idea you'll always require half the users 
around to rewrite their scripts, and not all of them know enough JS to 
actually do that. Unless you plan on rewriting the way JavaScript works 
itself and forcing every browser to change it's code and then force 
everyone in the world to update ;)
>> And the last issue is with site JS... If you remove the page load... You
>> remove the ability to use Collapsible tables, the Show/Hide NavFrame,
>> Table Sorting, and the new TabView extension one of the techs nicely put
>> together from YUI. ^_^ And now... you have 85% of Wikia staring at you
>> with murderous faces because you broke 90% of their fancy features and
>> ability to customize their own experience...
>>     
>
> Same as last commnet. And it's not the first time Wikia breaks our
> fancy features...
> <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Images_in_%22sortable%22_tables>
> <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Miniupload_and_image_licensing>
> <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Myskin_problem>
> and more! :)
>
>
> Ok, it would be a major change, but the idea is great. just an
> "extension" of TabView extension
> <http://toys.wikia.com/wiki/TabViewTest>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>   
Ya... Wikia has done some things which /some/ users have issues with. 
But they've never added features which have broken user's ability to 
properly use userscripts.

~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of The Gaiapedia, Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project, and Wiki-Tools.com

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From martineznovo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 09:08:42 2007
From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Wikia-l] Suggestions...?
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This is something that can only be done in a NEW SKIN. Obviously it
can't be done for the actual skins. This will change the user defined
script file to Special:Mypage/newskinname.js and
MediaWiki:Newskinname.js, so the user defined functions won't be
avaliable --the same as when the wikis upgraded to the new
Quartzslate/smoke skins. It hasn't been a pain, at least for you,
isn't it?

People that wants this "mode" and knows what are doing could do some
changes to its personal javascript to adapt it. It wouldn't be
necessary to rewrite all the code.

And, as I said, this would be a new skin, so users could still use the
"old" skins without being affected. This would be probably the most
clean change that could be done in a new skin change


We are talking about something will never be done, at least for Wikia
side. But it could be done and, probably, with only per-user
javascript.


The way it would work is at follows:

The page is loaded as the actual pages do. When loaded, a function
checks if the browser has javascript enabled and support some
necessary features (DOM, etc). If it does, then all <a> elements are
processed to prevent the default behavior (of load the linked page)
and associates the onclick event to a function.

When a link is followed, the function will process the link to point
something like /index.php?title=(the title)?action=render or a special
param for this purpose --maybe using the api.php--, and load its
content in the content area, but not the entire page. Along with the
content, we could get some variables indicating if the page is
watchlisted, the current namespace, if it has talk page, etc. Or it
would require a second request (probably to api.php) to get these
variables.

The content that we'll from the servers would be HTML content, not
Wiki content, so the client-side processing would be minimal. And the
content would be the same for ALL users (logged in or not) and for ALL
skins, so the cache servers would do their work very well :)

Once the content is loaded, then a function similar to runOnloadHook()
will be called, along with the user-javascript functions that adapts
the content --but not the skin-content. This has done in the onload.
Some skin-links are modified, like the add to watchlist and talkpage.
The links to permalink, whatlinkshere and others could be built using
the article-dependent variables. All DOM-Events oriented.

The different articles doesn't actually make changes on the skin,
except some few links, so it isn't a pain to change them with
javascript. The MediaWiki code doesn't need to be rewritten. ONLY
needs a new skin (like Quartz). And nothing else than some javascript
that will do that stuff, probably less that all the JUNK of DUPLICATED
code that is included now for google ads, google analytics and the YUI
(whick % of the YUI code is used on the site, excluding user-defined
functions? the YUI components must be loaded only if needed)

And it would be totally accessible for people that don't have
javascript enabled or for the search spiders --The page loads are as
statically as they are now, all the dynamic stuff is done after it
checks the browser supports all the stuff. The links are only modified
when this check is done.

Accessibility, usability... if all web designers would have these
concepts in mind Internet would be a better place :)


PD: <http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/> is not updating.


2007/9/15, DanTMan Wrote
>
>  Jes?s Mart?nez wrote:
>  Nested comments:
>
> 2007/9/14, DanTMan wrote
>
>
>  It also isn't a very good idea not to reload the sidebar and tabs.
> The Toolbox in the sidebar is always dependent on what page you are on.
> It will list user contributions if in the user area of an existent area.
> Permanent links to a page, etc...
>
>  It all could be done with javascript. Not only the content would be
> returned with Ajax. Also some javascript code like the code is
> injected in all headers. Some of the variables: wgCanonicalNamespace,
> wgCanonicalSpecialPageName, wgNamespaceNumber.
>
>
>
>  Then there's the tabs. Each page has it's own set of tabs. The Special
> tab for Special pages always has the same link you are currently on,
> each article has the article, talk, and various edit, watch, delete, and
> protect tabs. And these all change depending on what access the user
> has, what level of protection the page has, and if the user has the page
> in their watchlist or not.
>
>  wgUserGroups = ["bureaucrat", "sysop", "*", "user", "autoconfirmed",
> "emailconfirmed"]; and so on :)
>
>
>  And you're saying we rewrite half the MediaWiki code in JS to set tabs and
> toolbox items, using groups without rights info which Wikia could change at
> any time. That just doesn't work.
>
>
>
>
>  Another issue with removing the page load from happening is with User
> scripts. I add a User tabmenu when I'm in a userspace to give me a few
> useful tools. As well as a number of other things, some of these are
> dependent on what is on the page and therefore will not load right if
> the page load is eliminated.
>
>
>
>  If people is using addOnloadHook() function to load personal stuff,
> the load of new content could do a call to addOnloadHook(), or call
> other global function so users could adapt its scripts to the
> different "concept" of page load.
>
>  Ya... then I get a brand new WikiSwitch tab each time addOnloadHook is
> called and you fill up users screens because user's scripts are not designed
> to have addOnloadHook called multiple times on a page.
>  And what If I'm not using addOnloadHook? Some people could be using YUI's
> load functions, or they may have code which is actually run when the code is
> actually being run through. Also remember that user's methods of loading
> extra JS or CSS, which is also page dependent can only be one during the
> real loading of the page.
>  Whatever you do, with this idea you'll always require half the users around
> to rewrite their scripts, and not all of them know enough JS to actually do
> that. Unless you plan on rewriting the way JavaScript works itself and
> forcing every browser to change it's code and then force everyone in the
> world to update ;)
>
>
>
>
>  And the last issue is with site JS... If you remove the page load... You
> remove the ability to use Collapsible tables, the Show/Hide NavFrame,
> Table Sorting, and the new TabView extension one of the techs nicely put
> together from YUI. ^_^ And now... you have 85% of Wikia staring at you
> with murderous faces because you broke 90% of their fancy features and
> ability to customize their own experience...
>
>
>
>
> Same as last commnet. And it's not the first time Wikia breaks our
> fancy features...
> <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Images_in_%22sortable%22_tables>
> <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Miniupload_and_image_licensing>
> <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Myskin_problem>
> and more! :)
>
>
> Ok, it would be a major change, but the idea is great. just an
> "extension" of TabView extension
> <http://toys.wikia.com/wiki/TabViewTest>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>
>  Ya... Wikia has done some things which some users have issues with. But
> they've never added features which have broken user's ability to properly
> use userscripts.
>  ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of The Gaiapedia, Wikia Graphical Entertainment
> Project, and Wiki-Tools.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>


From beesley at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 01:42:53 2007
From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:42:53 +0100
Subject: [Wikia-l] Float inside a float?
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On 9/15/07, Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can I float an [[image:]] in the bottom right of a box that is, itself,
> float:right?
>
> On this page (http://lon.wikia.com/wiki/Honed_Reflexes) and
> similar pages, I would like the arrowhead-like icon in the bottom right to
> float so that it overlaps the row with the illustrator's name AND the row
> below that...

It should work if you do this:
<div style="float:right;">[[Image:...]]</div>

Angela


From johnq at wikia.com  Sun Sep 16 05:31:41 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:31:41 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
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I'm not sure that it updates incrementally... but rather once it's done. 
In any event, it would have been done by now, so I suspect the script 
ran across something that made it stop.

I'll forward this note to the appropriate engineer as well.

Thanks,
John Q.


Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:
> I checked that. Refreshed the page several times over 5 minutes or so. 
> The count was not moving. :|
>
> On 9/14/07, *John Q* < johnq at wikia.com <mailto:johnq at wikia.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi ... I just sent a note to the engineer running these. He had
>     restarted on both Lon and EQ2 ... so obviously we're going to have to
>     dig deeper on EQ2 to see what's preventing the script from finishing.
>     Also, the larger the db, the longer it takes... so could be eq2 is
>     still
>     running. I've asked him to look in on it.
>
> -- 
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 18:01:05 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:01:05 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Float inside a float?
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Nope... tried it. Looks the same. If I put it in the 1st of the 2 rows, it
stays IN that row, making it taller (bad thing).

The issue is a small icon that indicates the expansion this card is a member
of. It needs to cross a row boundary, floating across 2 differently-colored
rows on the right-hand true bottom of the card.

On 9/15/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/15/07, Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can I float an [[image:]] in the bottom right of a box that is, itself,
> > float:right?
> >
> > On this page (http://lon.wikia.com/wiki/Honed_Reflexes) and
> > similar pages, I would like the arrowhead-like icon in the bottom right
> to
> > float so that it overlaps the row with the illustrator's name AND the
> row
> > below that...
>
> It should work if you do this:
> <div style="float:right;">[[Image:...]]</div>
>
> Angela
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
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>



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From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 12:52:47 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:52:47 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
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jq at lon is over 15k and at eq2i it's over 132k :(
I guess it did not run again last night

On 9/16/07, John Q <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure that it updates incrementally... but rather once it's done.
> In any event, it would have been done by now, so I suspect the script
> ran across something that made it stop.
>
> I'll forward this note to the appropriate engineer as well.
>


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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Sep 17 19:38:02 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:38:02 -1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
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Hi Bill,

We ran these again and they're still having issues with a few wikis ... 
I've asked the engineer involved to contact you directly to let you know 
where we are with this.

Thanks,
John Q.


Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:
> jq at lon is over 15k and at eq2i it's over 132k :(
> I guess it did not run again last night
>
> On 9/16/07, *John Q* < johnq at wikia.com <mailto:johnq at wikia.com>> wrote:
>
>     I'm not sure that it updates incrementally... but rather once it's
>     done.
>     In any event, it would have been done by now, so I suspect the script
>     ran across something that made it stop.
>
>     I'll forward this note to the appropriate engineer as well.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Sep 17 20:02:10 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:02:10 -1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
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Hi Bill,

I see that the engineers appear to have found the issue and are 
re-running this. When I checked the eq2 job queue just now it was 48k 
... I'll check this again in 24 hours to see if the script has further 
reduced that number.

Thanks,
John Q.


Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:
> jq at lon is over 15k and at eq2i it's over 132k :(
> I guess it did not run again last night
>
> On 9/16/07, *John Q* < johnq at wikia.com <mailto:johnq at wikia.com>> wrote:
>
>     I'm not sure that it updates incrementally... but rather once it's
>     done.
>     In any event, it would have been done by now, so I suspect the script
>     ran across something that made it stop.
>
>     I'll forward this note to the appropriate engineer as well.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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From billwsmithjr at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 20:22:50 2007
From: billwsmithjr at gmail.com (Bill W. Smith, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:22:50 -0500
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <46EEDD42.5080108@wikia.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709141840g661dfb8fq1a86b7fa81955f53@mail.gmail.com>
	<46ECBFBD.7010905@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709170552q2aa3704amf02dfff9cd0779eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EEDD42.5080108@wikia.com>
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Thanks again!

On 9/17/07, John Q <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I see that the engineers appear to have found the issue and are
> re-running this. When I checked the eq2 job queue just now it was 48k
> ... I'll check this again in 24 hours to see if the script has further
> reduced that number.
>



-- 
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From rsw154 at psu.edu  Mon Sep 17 20:54:11 2007
From: rsw154 at psu.edu (rsw154 at psu.edu)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:54:11 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
Message-ID: <1190062451l.430198l.0l@psu.edu>


johnq at wikia.com wrote:
> We ran these again and they're still having issues with a few wikis ... 

On the Doom Wiki (doom.wikia.com), the job queue length has apparently been
stuck at 326 for nearly 48 hours.  A representative number of edits have been
made during this time.


  --- "Ryan W"




From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Sep 17 21:24:29 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:24:29 -1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] cache fixes...
Message-ID: <46EEF08D.4040601@wikia.com>

Hi everyone,

Site might be slow for the next 10-15 minutes. Over the last hour or two 
we've been tracking a memory issue on our cache servers and are in the 
process of fixing this. Putting the fix into place will cause the cache 
servers to be slower until they build back up.

Thanks,
John Q.





From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Sep 17 21:32:16 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:32:16 -1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <1ca5756c0709171322t42e71019teedd7cddac02d870@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>	<1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>	<d681d9510709121508k7d2de7b9ncc33d9c9c6acda1@mail.gmail.com>	<1ca5756c0709121541n76c339dcj57764ed7c3512a32@mail.gmail.com>	<1ca5756c0709141322y74d4d81foc64616941ec7b276@mail.gmail.com>	<46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>	<1ca5756c0709141840g661dfb8fq1a86b7fa81955f53@mail.gmail.com>	<46ECBFBD.7010905@wikia.com>	<1ca5756c0709170552q2aa3704amf02dfff9cd0779eb@mail.gmail.com>	<46EEDD42.5080108@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709171322t42e71019teedd7cddac02d870@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EEF260.8010602@wikia.com>

I see it now at about 38k ... so it's going down.

Bill W. Smith, Jr. wrote:
> Thanks again!
>
> On 9/17/07, *John Q* <johnq at wikia.com <mailto:johnq at wikia.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Bill,
>
>     I see that the engineers appear to have found the issue and are
>     re-running this. When I checked the eq2 job queue just now it was 48k
>     ... I'll check this again in 24 hours to see if the script has
>     further
>     reduced that number.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Bill W. Smith, Jr. <billwsmithjr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:billwsmithjr at gmail.com>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Mon Sep 17 21:34:16 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:34:16 -1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <1190062451l.430198l.0l@psu.edu>
References: <1190062451l.430198l.0l@psu.edu>
Message-ID: <46EEF2D8.7060008@wikia.com>

Ok... this is most like due to the same reason... as we re-run the 
script that takes care of this, it should be handled automatically... 
lets's see what it is in 24 hours after the next run.

Thanks,
John Q.


rsw154 at psu.edu wrote:
> johnq at wikia.com wrote:
>   
>> We ran these again and they're still having issues with a few wikis ... 
>>     
>
> On the Doom Wiki (doom.wikia.com), the job queue length has apparently been
> stuck at 326 for nearly 48 hours.  A representative number of edits have been
> made during this time.
>
>
>   --- "Ryan W"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>
>   


From c.stafford at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 00:57:02 2007
From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:57:02 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <46EEDD42.5080108@wikia.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d681d9510709121508k7d2de7b9ncc33d9c9c6acda1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709121541n76c339dcj57764ed7c3512a32@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709141322y74d4d81foc64616941ec7b276@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709141840g661dfb8fq1a86b7fa81955f53@mail.gmail.com>
	<46ECBFBD.7010905@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709170552q2aa3704amf02dfff9cd0779eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EEDD42.5080108@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <613c581d0709171757p77ba051yc7be2632a965e889@mail.gmail.com>

any chance we can get some insight on what was making it hang? was it stuck
in a loop? anything we can help do or not do to prevent it?

On 9/17/07, John Q <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I see that the engineers appear to have found the issue and are
> re-running this. When I checked the eq2 job queue just now it was 48k
> ... I'll check this again in 24 hours to see if the script has further
> reduced that number.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
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From dawormie at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 02:30:33 2007
From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:30:33 +1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <613c581d0709171757p77ba051yc7be2632a965e889@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<d681d9510709121508k7d2de7b9ncc33d9c9c6acda1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709121541n76c339dcj57764ed7c3512a32@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709141322y74d4d81foc64616941ec7b276@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709141840g661dfb8fq1a86b7fa81955f53@mail.gmail.com>
	<46ECBFBD.7010905@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709170552q2aa3704amf02dfff9cd0779eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EEDD42.5080108@wikia.com>
	<613c581d0709171757p77ba051yc7be2632a965e889@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec263d1d0709171930n2f4b53ffs6f8c8cae6fc78d62@mail.gmail.com>

So will this fix all Wikia's affected by it?
Last update for the aoc wiki was 13th of September.


-- Sorry, this is the first e-mail I've finally gotten from the mailing list
since registering 3 weeks ago.

Ta
Victor
(aka Daworm)

On 9/18/07, Chris Stafford <c.stafford at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> any chance we can get some insight on what was making it hang? was it
> stuck in a loop? anything we can help do or not do to prevent it?
>
> On 9/17/07, John Q <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > I see that the engineers appear to have found the issue and are
> > re-running this. When I checked the eq2 job queue just now it was 48k
> > ... I'll check this again in 24 hours to see if the script has further
> > reduced that number.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Q.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
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> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
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From johnq at wikia.com  Tue Sep 18 04:23:23 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:23:23 -1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <613c581d0709171757p77ba051yc7be2632a965e889@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>	<1ca5756c0709121401w4cf68064od91c646b18e3b16c@mail.gmail.com>	<d681d9510709121508k7d2de7b9ncc33d9c9c6acda1@mail.gmail.com>	<1ca5756c0709121541n76c339dcj57764ed7c3512a32@mail.gmail.com>	<1ca5756c0709141322y74d4d81foc64616941ec7b276@mail.gmail.com>	<46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>	<1ca5756c0709141840g661dfb8fq1a86b7fa81955f53@mail.gmail.com>	<46ECBFBD.7010905@wikia.com>	<1ca5756c0709170552q2aa3704amf02dfff9cd0779eb@mail.gmail.com>	<46EEDD42.5080108@wikia.com>
	<613c581d0709171757p77ba051yc7be2632a965e889@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EF52BB.9070701@wikia.com>

Hi Chris,

What normally happens is that we have a cron job that runs the script 
"runJobs.php" on each wiki once per day. Each wiki's "runJob.php" runs 
seperately from other wikis. This updates special pages, etc., and 
usually runs without problem. What happened this time is that on a few 
wikis, the process running "runJobs.php" was running out of memory ... 
this wasn't very obvious to us as the wikis in question aren't the 
largest nor had particularly large "job" queues. Uncyclopedia and star 
wars usually have the largest when this doesn't get run daily. So we 
believe there was a particular update being run as one of the "jobs" 
that was causing trouble ... I don't have the specifics on which one... 
but we recognized what was preventing the script from finishing and 
increased the memory allocated to those processes.

Thanks,
John Q.


Chris Stafford wrote:
> any chance we can get some insight on what was making it hang? was it 
> stuck in a loop? anything we can help do or not do to prevent it?
>
> On 9/17/07, *John Q* <johnq at wikia.com <mailto:johnq at wikia.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Bill,
>
>     I see that the engineers appear to have found the issue and are
>     re-running this. When I checked the eq2 job queue just now it was 48k
>     ... I'll check this again in 24 hours to see if the script has further
>     reduced that number.
>
>     Thanks,
>     John Q.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikia-l mailing list
> Wikia-l at wikia.com
> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
>   


From c.stafford at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 04:45:01 2007
From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:45:01 -0400
Subject: [Wikia-l] Job Queue
In-Reply-To: <46EF52BB.9070701@wikia.com>
References: <1ca5756c0709111646o1b8de8e3g3d08bc524059282b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709121541n76c339dcj57764ed7c3512a32@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ca5756c0709141322y74d4d81foc64616941ec7b276@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EB2062.8050708@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709141840g661dfb8fq1a86b7fa81955f53@mail.gmail.com>
	<46ECBFBD.7010905@wikia.com>
	<1ca5756c0709170552q2aa3704amf02dfff9cd0779eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EEDD42.5080108@wikia.com>
	<613c581d0709171757p77ba051yc7be2632a965e889@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EF52BB.9070701@wikia.com>
Message-ID: <613c581d0709172145s67c05dcfyc56566ad81e4a791@mail.gmail.com>

cool, thats an answer i can take. thanks.

On 9/18/07, John Q <johnq at wikia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> What normally happens is that we have a cron job that runs the script
> "runJobs.php" on each wiki once per day. Each wiki's "runJob.php" runs
> seperately from other wikis. This updates special pages, etc., and
> usually runs without problem. What happened this time is that on a few
> wikis, the process running "runJobs.php" was running out of memory ...
> this wasn't very obvious to us as the wikis in question aren't the
> largest nor had particularly large "job" queues. Uncyclopedia and star
> wars usually have the largest when this doesn't get run daily. So we
> believe there was a particular update being run as one of the "jobs"
> that was causing trouble ... I don't have the specifics on which one...
> but we recognized what was preventing the script from finishing and
> increased the memory allocated to those processes.
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
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From johnq at wikia.com  Wed Sep 19 00:55:45 2007
From: johnq at wikia.com (John Q)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:55:45 -1000
Subject: [Wikia-l] wookieepedia wiki being reset right now ...
Message-ID: <46F07391.6020308@wikia.com>

we're resetting some machines involved in serving wookieepedia right 
now... the cpu had become 100% utilized and we're investigating the source.

Thanks,
John Q.



From dan_the_man at telus.net  Wed Sep 19 13:41:24 2007
From: dan_the_man at telus.net (DanTMan)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:41:24 -0700
Subject: [Wikia-l] Extensions and Ideas Being worked on & Would like to work
	on
Message-ID: <46F12704.6000508@telus.net>

There are a few Extensions/Ideas that I've either been working on, or 
theorizing. I'm sending this to the list to get a bit of help from the 
techs, maybe even some community feedback.

*ACGNetwork Extension*

    The ACGNetwork extension was the one I mentioned before. The one to
    be used on the Top-level Wikia ACG (Formerly WGEP) wiki to give out
    the Mini-wiki features such as per-world CSS, and also the special
    links of [[Anime:worldname:pagename]].
    TOR_CNR Gave me some info, so I've settled my caching issue.
    Though I may need to know; If the /Anime:/ interwiki prefix was
    pointed at /http://en.anime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ACGRedirect/$1/
    (Don't worry about links, I already made considerations for the
    current links using /Anime:/) would the [[Anime:]] prefix when used
    on the Animepedia still not work as Interwiki? If that's the case I
    might half to do some strange things with Hooks to get links to work
    properly on a wiki with the extension installed.

*Transwiki WikiText Inclusion*

    I had another idea, one similar to the Shared Templates we have,
    except one which actually works right. The idea is not to have a
    template called through interwiki, but to use a tag on a local
    template to 'transwiki' the WikiText from another wiki there so that
    it is as if they are the same template.
    For example:
    On the Narutopedia we could go to [[Template:Stub]] and put there:
    <transwiki from="en.anime" page="Template:Stub" />
    Then basically during an early part of parsing, that would be
    replaced with the WikiText from [[Anime:Template:Stub]] and
    inclusions and such would treat it as if the template was located on
    the wiki. Which basically means that it doesn't suffer from the fact
    that the shared templates can't use parameters, you can only include
    from central, and things are evaluated remotely so things like
    {{SITENAME}} and {{PAGENAME}} don't work right. The caching also
    won't be as annoying because purging the page will actually reparse
    and be updated because it would use a DB Query instead of HTTP
    functions to get a remote page.
    I got some good helpfull info from TOR_CNR again, though I have 2
    issues with building this:
    I don't know if there is a way to know the array of custom
    namespaces and the project namespace at the remote wiki. If there
    isn't then there may be restrictions on the use of transwiki that
    you half to use things like Project: instead of Animepedia: and for
    custom namespaces you'd half to use a defaultnamespace="#" parameter.
    I also need to create a table on my local DB (So I can actually work
    on the extension without breaking things on the volunteer server)
    which has the same structure as the table in Wikia's Shared DB that
    lists the wiki and their various information such as URL and DB
    Name. And to mockup a few rows similar to those in that DB.

*CGI:IRC Wiki/Gateway Customization*

    Before Datrio left him and me simultaniously came up with the same
    idea on a way of making customization of http://irc.wikia.com
    easier. Datrio is gone, so that's gone nowhere. The idea was to be
    able to customize the interface through MediaWiki Messages. I was
    also thinking of a way to display the gateway using a Special page
    instead of doing the complex stuff we were thinking of. Of course
    going to the root of the site would still bring you to the gateway
    instead of the wiki (Though I think I'll do that either using some
    sort of change to where the mainpage is, or some sort of .htaccess
    Rewrite so we can still keep the index.php for the wiki in the root
    location to avoid doing th