[Wikia-l] Monaco customization questions

Thu Feb 28 04:29:06 UTC 2008

Cizana, you still having issues about allinone being to compact?

If you are, you should remember that appending &allinone=0 to the url 
(?allinone=0 if on a page with a short url) will disable allinone and 
render all the script and style tags individually to allow you to see 
them all in full unpacked versions for when editing and debugging things 
(Otherwise the JS Error console would spew absolute shit which you could 
never figure out how to fix).

I haven't tried Firebug; But personally I use a combination of;
the WebDeveloper Toolbar (Edit/View CSS/JS, validation, cookie viewing 
and editing, Form information displaying [for when I need to see info on 
hidden fields and such], Grabbing info on elements, access keys, 
anchors, validation of pages, testing for different screen sizes, source 
viewing [I can view normal page source, and also check out what scripts 
and the like have done to edit that source, great for debugging]),
ColorZilla (Picking out colors from the page),
MeasureIt (For measuring the space between things on the screen for 
positioning of things),
Live HTTP Headers (For finding out header information sent between 
client/server),
and View Source Chart (Gives a good block diagram of how the page is 
constructed, great for finding broken tags and HTML which wasn't nested 
in the correct way by an extension or poor WikiText).
Well those aren't all I use, I've got an extensive list of used and 
partially used extensions installed in my browser. ^_^ It's kinda 
bloated, but it's home...
Especially when your browser lets you check out how a page looks in 
Gekko, Trident (IE), Presto (Opera), and Lynx...
Speaking of Lynx, you know that the hidden form in the Monoco skin gives 
me two issues because of the js login, one annoying, and one bad practice.
* Lynx renders a bunch of crap at the top of the page which is 
absolutely useless and only serves to obstruct the actual page data that 
is there.

   Log in
   Username::
   ____________________
   Password::
   ____________________
   [_] Remember my login on this computer
   Log in
   E-mail password
   [5]Create an account

* And because the form is there, and not dynamically created whether I 
want to log in or not (And it even does this when I am logged in and 
have no use for it), my "Enter master password" will pop up when I enter 
a Monaco skin and force me to enter my password even when I have 
absolutely no intention of using the login form. This is especially 
annoying since I keep myself logged in (I'm either using a account which 
needs a password to access anyways, a Portable browser with no access 
when not plugged in, or on a computer no-one else of issue will go to) 
and despite the fact that I'm logged in already, when I go into a site 
with Monaco enabled, it suddenly pops up asking for my master password 
so that it can autofill an absolute useless login form because I'm 
already logged in and don't need it.

~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of:
-The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com)
-Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG)
-and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com)

Cizaña wrote:
> All depends Inside wikia skin customization page is great for giving you an
> idea but thats not enough some times, Firebug is great, i use it my self
> mostly for untangling those tricky css coded effects or at least to get an
> idea, but for example:
>
> I look the source of any page and search for the beach skin
> http://images.wikia.com/common/skins-200802.4/monaco/beach/css/main.css?991
>
> grab its code and use another add on of firefox call "Edit CSS" paste the
> code at the bottom, use a little bit of common sense with the name of the
> tag to know or get an idea of what it affects, if i'm doubtful i just
> substitute for a random color, its a faster way for doing huge and more
> complete customizations since Monaco is base in Monobook, and this last one
> likes to overtag some times creating peculiar effects. And i dont have to
> invest time looking for "whats the spot that is missing customization" but
> rather in color balancing.
>
> Ciz
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Victor <dawormie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Have a look at : http://inside.wikia.com/wiki/Monaco_Skin_Customization :
>> as a start, and myself, I use firebug (addon to firefox) to inspect various
>> elements and find their class names so that I can turn around and customise
>> things I don't know about yet :)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Cizaña <cizania at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>>  Its easier some times to look for the stuff in the main css instead of
>>> guessing/looking whats the name/class/code of the thing you want to modify
>>> in the HTML.
>>>
>>> But currently as the allinone.css its simply a pain for the head trying
>>> to read it.
>>>
>>> Ciz
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Christian Williams <christian at wikia.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> 1. There are several different files which are complied on the
>>>> server-side and rendered into:
>>>> http://images.wikia.com/common/skins-200802.4/monaco/css/allinone.css.
>>>> I'm curious to know why you'd need them... you can add your own styles on
>>>> top of the main Monaco css by editing MediaWiki:Monaco.css. This saves
>>>> having to re-write everything, you can just make whatever modifications
>>>> you'd like.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>       
>>>> -Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 27, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Erdimus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i tried to customize monaco skin for my wiki here:
>>>> http://el.warhammeronline.wikia.com . I am trying to change everything
>>>> in this skin and i have some questions.
>>>> 1. where can i find the full version of monaco.css and
>>>> monaco/brick.css ?
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>
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