From johnq at wikia.com Tue Jan 1 00:20:14 2008 From: johnq at wikia.com (JohnQ) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:20:14 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] 1.12 slowness ... In-Reply-To: <47797323.6030103@wikia.com> References: <47797323.6030103@wikia.com> Message-ID: <4779873E.50808@wikia.com> Ok, we fixed one item that was causing requests to bypass memcache ... there is another item we've identified that we're continuing to pursue. The symptom is that creating thumbnails for images is slower on 1.12 than 1.10 and that slows down the page being served. Almost there. Thanks, John Q. JohnQ wrote: > I just wanted to give everyone a quick update. We are closing in on the > issue that is causing 1.12 to be slower than 1.10. The way images are > handled changed between 1.10 and 1.12 and the original mediawiki 1.12 > version had a bug which we believe we've identified. Eloy and Nef in > Poland are working on it now (it's 8 minutes till new year's for them). > After we have a fix, we'll be testing internally and on a few wikis... > if this is the cause, we'll release to the entire site shortly. If it's > not the cause, we'll still be working on it. > > Thanks, > John Q. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From martineznovo at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 11:45:14 2008 From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:45:14 +0100 Subject: [Wikia-l] 1.12 slowness ... In-Reply-To: <4779873E.50808@wikia.com> References: <47797323.6030103@wikia.com> <4779873E.50808@wikia.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I'm glad to know that somebody is looking into it. Happy new year! 2008/1/1, JohnQ wrote: > Ok, we fixed one item that was causing requests to bypass memcache ... > there is another item we've identified that we're continuing to pursue. > The symptom is that creating thumbnails for images is slower on 1.12 > than 1.10 and that slows down the page being served. Almost there. > > Thanks, > John Q. > > > JohnQ wrote: > > I just wanted to give everyone a quick update. We are closing in on the > > issue that is causing 1.12 to be slower than 1.10. The way images are > > handled changed between 1.10 and 1.12 and the original mediawiki 1.12 > > version had a bug which we believe we've identified. Eloy and Nef in > > Poland are working on it now (it's 8 minutes till new year's for them). > > After we have a fix, we'll be testing internally and on a few wikis... > > if this is the cause, we'll release to the entire site shortly. If it's > > not the cause, we'll still be working on it. > > > > Thanks, > > John Q. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikia-l mailing list > > Wikia-l en wikia.com > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l en wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > From martineznovo at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 11:48:30 2008 From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:48:30 +0100 Subject: [Wikia-l] Semantic MediaWiki In-Reply-To: <47792DB2.5010801@telus.net> References: <47770986.9010008@telus.net> <47792DB2.5010801@telus.net> Message-ID: I think that the techs have other priorities (also known as "MediaWiki 1.12 bugs") after a new feature that probably would add more strain to the servers. 2007/12/31, DanTMan wrote: > > Semantic MediaWiki 1.0 was released finally today. > Since Wikia has said they plan to support using it, the techs should > probably start testing the release. > ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: > -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) > -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) > -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) > TwoTailedFox wrote: > The original goal of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia was to provide a Netrep-style > functionality (http://www.netrep.net). If the techs can install > Version 1.0 for Yu-Gi-Oh!, it would be appreciated. > > On Dec 30, 2007 2:59 AM, DanTMan wrote: > > > Have the techs been looking over and testing the Semantic MediaWiki > Release Candidates to see if they're ok for Wikia? > > Semantic MediaWiki 1.0 is supposed to be released this Sunday. It would > be nice to know how long until Wikia will have it up for use. > > I know of many wiki which would find the extension extremely useful. One > of those being the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki. By using semantic attributes they > should finally be able to allow people to search for cards based on > various bits of card data. Which is something the wiki has been wanting > for a long time to put it on a level with the other card listing sites out. > > -- > ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: > -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) > -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) > -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l en wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l en wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From paulsubscribed at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 14:43:55 2008 From: paulsubscribed at gmail.com (paulsubscribed at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] Premature Logout? Message-ID: <00be01c84c84$be012800$4c704648@pavilion> I have a user, CzechOut, on The Bionic Wiki who is unable to remain logged in for more than one edit at a time; he successfully submits an edit but then is automatically logged out. He has cleared his cache and cookies but the problem remains. Wasn't this a reported issue several months back; a kind of 'premature logout?' His report of the initial problem can be read at my Talk page, under "Odd login behavior:" http://bionic.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Alex7000 Thanks for any assistance. Paul From c.stafford at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 19:33:52 2008 From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:33:52 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] 1.12 slowness ... In-Reply-To: References: <47797323.6030103@wikia.com> <4779873E.50808@wikia.com> Message-ID: <613c581d0801011133v363766dcn17efff8277bb7d71@mail.gmail.com> i thought this was funny. sometimes autodetecting things based on text fails, and fails hard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080101/21d509b9/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gmail_fail.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5410 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080101/21d509b9/attachment.jpg From in105130b at meo.pt Tue Jan 1 16:06:39 2008 From: in105130b at meo.pt (miguel.couto) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:06:39 -0000 Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia in Version Portuguese (European Portuguese) References: <6ACE7CAF56D2A848BEBD8DAB03ECFE0A096A9781@ASP-EXC07.asp-telepac.local> Message-ID: <6ACE7CAF56D2A848BEBD8DAB03ECFE0A096A9783@ASP-EXC07.asp-telepac.local> How can I change the source of MediaWiki? I already put some babel templates and lack me include access to the images wiki pt. Thanks! Miguel Couto ________________________________ De: wikia-l-bounces at wikia.com em nome de Juan David Ruiz Enviada: seg 31-12-2007 1:12 Para: Central Wikia Mailing List Assunto: Re: [Wikia-l] Wikia in Version Portuguese (European Portuguese) On Dec 29, 2007 10:16 AM, miguel.couto wrote: > > > > Hi everyone! > I would like to know how I can integrate the wiki http://pt.wikia.com in > Wikia universe? > I have already translated editions and try to make connections to other > editions in other languages and I am not able to do, can I help? Hi Miguel! Thanks for your hard work on portuguese version of Wikia. I will modify the interlanguage link from central to pt.wikia.com. I will also be in touch with you to find new contributors and create a plan to promote portuguese wikis. Looking forward to colaborate with you -- Juan David Ruiz Wikia.com _______________________________________________ Wikia-l mailing list Wikia-l at wikia.com http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4572 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080101/c136ac91/attachment.bin From robinp at paradise.net.nz Wed Jan 2 04:17:59 2008 From: robinp at paradise.net.nz (Robin Forlonge Patterson) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:17:59 +1300 Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikistats fixed - thank you References: <4770B02D.3000903@telus.net> <46a5eb5d0712250059p12c31e53y8de28cbf76cfc534@mail.gmail.com> <4770D84E.7080102@telus.net> <6a588f430712250856y5f2e842bv4367eb5a6af8efe3@mail.gmail.com> <477163F4.4000102@wikia.com> Message-ID: <02e101c84cf6$75ea1500$dc14f6d2@633> Whoever it was - many thanks! I can once agaain see how the Genealogy Wikia is forging ahead. [Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, 88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026, New Zealand Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974 http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free cooperative MediaWiki site From johnq at wikia.com Wed Jan 2 04:48:48 2008 From: johnq at wikia.com (JohnQ) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:48:48 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikistats fixed - thank you In-Reply-To: <02e101c84cf6$75ea1500$dc14f6d2@633> References: <4770B02D.3000903@telus.net> <46a5eb5d0712250059p12c31e53y8de28cbf76cfc534@mail.gmail.com> <4770D84E.7080102@telus.net> <6a588f430712250856y5f2e842bv4367eb5a6af8efe3@mail.gmail.com> <477163F4.4000102@wikia.com> <02e101c84cf6$75ea1500$dc14f6d2@633> Message-ID: <477B17B0.5060202@wikia.com> Hi Robin, We started running these every other day so that the end of one run wouldn't overlap with the beginning of the next run. It's taking over 24 hours to process all of this... as we grow we'll need to do this again presumably. Thanks, John Q. Robin Forlonge Patterson wrote: > Whoever it was - many thanks! I can once agaain > see how the Genealogy Wikia is forging ahead. > > [Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, > 88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026, > New Zealand > Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974 > http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp > And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free > cooperative MediaWiki site > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From johnq at wikia.com Wed Jan 2 05:23:28 2008 From: johnq at wikia.com (JohnQ) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:23:28 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] Premature Logout? In-Reply-To: <00be01c84c84$be012800$4c704648@pavilion> References: <00be01c84c84$be012800$4c704648@pavilion> Message-ID: <477B1FD0.8020504@wikia.com> Hi ... yes, there was a problem a while ago that had to do with user session data getting squeezed out of memcache by other data... but we have a memcache dedicated to user sessions now, so I don't think this would be the same issue. Anyone else having this problem ?? Paul - just to czech (yes, bad humor) what happens on a wiki like marveldatabase (logging in on *.wikia.com doesn't log you into marvel and vice-versa). Also, has he tried a different computer ... like use a friend's or something (just to eliminate anything local happening)? And did this just start with the rollover to the new year? Thanks, John Q. paulsubscribed at gmail.com wrote: > I have a user, CzechOut, on The Bionic Wiki who is unable to remain logged > in for more than one edit at a time; he successfully submits an edit but > then is automatically logged out. He has cleared his cache and cookies but > the problem remains. Wasn't this a reported issue several months back; a > kind of 'premature logout?' > > His report of the initial problem can be read at my Talk page, under "Odd > login behavior:" > http://bionic.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Alex7000 > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From c.stafford at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 06:09:54 2008 From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:09:54 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] Premature Logout? In-Reply-To: <477B1FD0.8020504@wikia.com> References: <00be01c84c84$be012800$4c704648@pavilion> <477B1FD0.8020504@wikia.com> Message-ID: <613c581d0801012209u11916e45u4e96c26e1d6639df@mail.gmail.com> not recently, but at eq2.wikia we had an issue like that. and your explanation of the memcache would make perfect sense. we ran the user through the whole set of L1 help desk issues (cache/cookies/browser/isp/2nd acccount), just never thought to try on of the shared db, but different cookie sites. i'll keep this in mind if it pops up again On Jan 2, 2008 12:23 AM, JohnQ wrote: > Hi ... yes, there was a problem a while ago that had to do with user > session data getting squeezed out of memcache by other data... but we > have a memcache dedicated to user sessions now, so I don't think this > would be the same issue. > > Anyone else having this problem ?? > > Paul - just to czech (yes, bad humor) what happens on a wiki like > marveldatabase (logging in on *.wikia.com doesn't log you into marvel > and vice-versa). Also, has he tried a different computer ... like use a > friend's or something (just to eliminate anything local happening)? And > did this just start with the rollover to the new year? > > Thanks, > John Q. > > > paulsubscribed at gmail.com wrote: > > I have a user, CzechOut, on The Bionic Wiki who is unable to remain > logged > > in for more than one edit at a time; he successfully submits an edit but > > then is automatically logged out. He has cleared his cache and cookies > but > > the problem remains. 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URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080102/030106c0/attachment-0001.html From dan_the_man at telus.net Wed Jan 2 06:16:58 2008 From: dan_the_man at telus.net (DanTMan) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:16:58 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] "Array" as Spam Glitch Message-ID: <477B2C5A.1010008@telus.net> Wasn't the bug where "Array" was considered as spam supposed to be resolved twice now? We got another comment in IRC on it happening. If you want some debugging input, this is my first thought on what's happening: I'm guessing that a [...] somewhere in the filter code is missing and as a result php is putting "Array" in as a string, instead of the part of the array wanted, and that's causing the spam filter to not work and instead stop "Array" from being used. -- ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) From tor at wikia.com Wed Jan 2 10:36:31 2008 From: tor at wikia.com (Lucas Garczewski) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:36:31 +0100 Subject: [Wikia-l] "Array" as Spam Glitch In-Reply-To: <477B2C5A.1010008@telus.net> References: <477B2C5A.1010008@telus.net> Message-ID: <477B692F.80702@wikia.com> DanTMan wrote: > Wasn't the bug where "Array" was considered as spam supposed to be > resolved twice now? > We got another comment in IRC on it happening. > > If you want some debugging input, this is my first thought on what's > happening: > I'm guessing that a [...] somewhere in the filter code is missing and as > a result php is putting "Array" in as a string, instead of the part of > the array wanted, and that's causing the spam filter to not work and > instead stop "Array" from being used. Daniel, can you please tell me who reported it on IRC? Did he mention which wiki this was occuring at? A note to all of the helpful people who report software bugs: please *always* include the address of the site you spotted it on. This will make it much easier for us to reproduce the bug and solve the problem. -- Best regards, Lucas 'TOR' Garczewski Wikia Technical Team From c.stafford at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 13:48:21 2008 From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:48:21 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] "Array" as Spam Glitch In-Reply-To: <477B692F.80702@wikia.com> References: <477B2C5A.1010008@telus.net> <477B692F.80702@wikia.com> Message-ID: <613c581d0801020548v68f4a615j43d01d1bec2ebbd3@mail.gmail.com> it was Mouse_among_men and they didnt say On Jan 2, 2008 5:36 AM, Lucas Garczewski wrote: > DanTMan wrote: > > Wasn't the bug where "Array" was considered as spam supposed to be > > resolved twice now? > > We got another comment in IRC on it happening. > > > > If you want some debugging input, this is my first thought on what's > > happening: > > I'm guessing that a [...] somewhere in the filter code is missing and as > > a result php is putting "Array" in as a string, instead of the part of > > the array wanted, and that's causing the spam filter to not work and > > instead stop "Array" from being used. > > Daniel, can you please tell me who reported it on IRC? Did he mention > which wiki this was occuring at? > > A note to all of the helpful people who report software bugs: please > *always* include the address of the site you spotted it on. This will > make it much easier for us to reproduce the bug and solve the problem. > > -- > Best regards, > Lucas 'TOR' Garczewski > Wikia Technical Team > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080102/90ca85d4/attachment.html From paulsubscribed at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 15:59:12 2008 From: paulsubscribed at gmail.com (paulsubscribed at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:59:12 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] Premature Logout? References: <00be01c84c84$be012800$4c704648@pavilion> <477B1FD0.8020504@wikia.com> Message-ID: <018b01c84d58$6e8aa560$4c704648@pavilion> Hey, I love bad humor! Wait...no, I don't. ;) The problem started last Saturday (29th). Successful edits by several other contributors have been made prior to, during, and since the issue was reported. I've asked CzechOut to test his login stability from another computer and also visit the Marvel Db. I'm waiting to hear back. Thanks for the prompt reply and support. pkb ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnQ" To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] Premature Logout? > Hi ... yes, there was a problem a while ago that had to do with user > session data getting squeezed out of memcache by other data... but we > have a memcache dedicated to user sessions now, so I don't think this > would be the same issue. > > Anyone else having this problem ?? > > Paul - just to czech (yes, bad humor) what happens on a wiki like > marveldatabase (logging in on *.wikia.com doesn't log you into marvel > and vice-versa). Also, has he tried a different computer ... like use a > friend's or something (just to eliminate anything local happening)? And > did this just start with the rollover to the new year? > > Thanks, > John Q. > > > paulsubscribed at gmail.com wrote: > > I have a user, CzechOut, on The Bionic Wiki who is unable to remain logged > > in for more than one edit at a time; he successfully submits an edit but > > then is automatically logged out. He has cleared his cache and cookies but > > the problem remains. Wasn't this a reported issue several months back; a > > kind of 'premature logout?' > > > > His report of the initial problem can be read at my Talk page, under "Odd > > login behavior:" > > http://bionic.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Alex7000 > > > > Thanks for any assistance. > > > > Paul From johnq at wikia.com Wed Jan 2 17:43:29 2008 From: johnq at wikia.com (JohnQ) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:43:29 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] Premature Logout? In-Reply-To: <018b01c84d58$6e8aa560$4c704648@pavilion> References: <00be01c84c84$be012800$4c704648@pavilion> <477B1FD0.8020504@wikia.com> <018b01c84d58$6e8aa560$4c704648@pavilion> Message-ID: <477BCD41.6010108@wikia.com> Another test... have him create a new account and see if the same thing happens. Thanks, John Q. paulsubscribed at gmail.com wrote: > Hey, I love bad humor! Wait...no, I don't. ;) > > The problem started last Saturday (29th). Successful edits by several other > contributors have been made prior to, during, and since the issue was > reported. I've asked CzechOut to test his login stability from another > computer and also visit the Marvel Db. I'm waiting to hear back. > > Thanks for the prompt reply and support. > > pkb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JohnQ" > To: "Central Wikia Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Wikia-l] Premature Logout? > > > >> Hi ... yes, there was a problem a while ago that had to do with user >> session data getting squeezed out of memcache by other data... but we >> have a memcache dedicated to user sessions now, so I don't think this >> would be the same issue. >> >> Anyone else having this problem ?? >> >> Paul - just to czech (yes, bad humor) what happens on a wiki like >> marveldatabase (logging in on *.wikia.com doesn't log you into marvel >> and vice-versa). Also, has he tried a different computer ... like use a >> friend's or something (just to eliminate anything local happening)? And >> did this just start with the rollover to the new year? >> >> Thanks, >> John Q. >> >> >> paulsubscribed at gmail.com wrote: >> >>> I have a user, CzechOut, on The Bionic Wiki who is unable to remain >>> > logged > >>> in for more than one edit at a time; he successfully submits an edit but >>> then is automatically logged out. He has cleared his cache and cookies >>> > but > >>> the problem remains. Wasn't this a reported issue several months back; >>> > a > >>> kind of 'premature logout?' >>> >>> His report of the initial problem can be read at my Talk page, under >>> > "Odd > >>> login behavior:" >>> http://bionic.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Alex7000 >>> >>> Thanks for any assistance. >>> >>> Paul >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From dawormie at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 05:23:59 2008 From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:23:59 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] something new... In-Reply-To: References: <476A2217.3090501@wikia.com> <476C2E5A.2090509@wikia.com> <476C2F07.70704@wikia.com> <476C942C.9070303@telus.net> <84612735-6EBA-4041-B87F-70570431D4FF@wikia.com> <476CAB2A.80907@telus.net> Message-ID: I swear I asked this (maybe I was just thinking about asking it) .. will the ad that is going to be on the main page of the wiki, will we be able to position that ourselves? Also, will it be thrown up onto a temporary wiki so that we can have a sneak peek look at it in an interactive setting before it's rolled out available to all wiki's? One other thing I was thinking. If that advert that other sites are buying is so profitable and you wish to keep it. I like the V2 layouts in regards to the width on the side and all the widgets that were available. Is it possible to have V2 width on the side (but on the left) and just reduce the top space reduction? So in effect a V2.5 ? Or can this be customised through current V2 for the left/right? -Victor On Dec 24, 2007 1:17 PM, Christian Williams wrote: > DanTMan, > I knew what you were saying about CSS and non-JS. I was just explaining > that we wanted to go a step further and try to make a 100% CSS flyout menu > solution just for double bonus points. :) Enclosed are screenshots (not > mockups) of a JS enabled browser and a non-JS enabled browser. > > Just about everything in your mockup will be possible by customizing your > own CSS. The only exceptions are: > > *Rounded corners on the last widget* - This could be possible if we can > add a special class name to the last widget (as I think you suggested). > Maciej is the widget master, so I'll check with him. This would work only > for Mozilla/Firefox and Safari (I think...) by adding a border radius > property. > > *Early Quartz style rating and sharing* - This isn't possible because it > requires moving a lot of code around. > > BTW, the buttons and the Wikia logo in the header are pngs. In fact, > everything is 24bit alpha-transparent pngs including the Edit, History, > Move, etc graphics and the search button. We tried really, really hard to > make this new skin really, really easy to customize. > > -Christian > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:14 PM, DanTMan wrote: > > Aww... and I was working on a mockup... > > Actually, by CSS I wasn't meaning hovering. I was meaning a list style > sidebar (With a little extra coloring for the subareas) which was static and > usable without any hovering at all. Then convert the sub areas into a Hover > menu with JS. That way those with JS get the nice hover, and those without > get a normal styled list instead of having a menu they absolutely cannot > access. > > As for the visuals... How about a compromise. > Make the skin markup and color based so that it's easy to style as you > want. But still do the markup and backend css, in a way that those of us > willing to go the extra mile to use the structural images can easily add > those into the css and have them work. (Instead of the hard and unreliable > hacks people use to style things in Monobook) > ie: Monobook evolution, with enough flexibility to use extra graphics. > > Well anyways... This is what I had finished with the mockup so far... I > think I'm just missing the top Article_bars curve in the search bar: (Don't > mind some of the graphical faults like Toughpigs name and the text, it's > just hard to alter background colors sometimes when things aren't separated > into objects; T_T Oh ya, I accidentally have a cut part of the logo text in > the middle of the page from a mistake, just ignore that; and the content is > cut off because I'm reusing some of my old Animepedia screenshots to do the > mockup and I have a higher screen res) > > > ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: > -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) > -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) > -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) > > Christian Williams wrote: > > Hey DanTMan, > > As always, thanks for taking the time to digest this stuff and compose > your initial feedback. Driving the design were two major factors: reducing > the size of the sidebar and creating a skin that feels like an evolution of > monobook. To meet the "monobook evolution" design goal, and to make the skin > far easier to customize than Quartz, V3 uses far less accent and structural > images. > > The navigation is customizable via a MediaWiki article, using bulleted > list markup: > *Muppet Wiki > *Muppet Characters > **Kermit the Frog > **Miss Piggy > **Other Characters > ***Gonzo > ***Animal > etc. > > I just put the finishing CSS touches on the navigation menu this week for > users without JS. It looks and works really nice. In fact, we even > experimented with a CSS-only version of the navigation menu, but it was > completely unforgiving if your mouse slipped off one of the child menus even > for a split second. In the end, the menu is rendered with YUI for the > JS-having folks. > > -Christian > > > On Dec 21, 2007, at 8:35 PM, DanTMan wrote: > > *sigh* Bu-bye nice quartz look... I kinda liked a bit of the V2 > quartz... (T_T And goodbye Quartz Switch setup... I'm going to have to > rewrite the way the buttons are put in and styled) > How about integration of the styled look of quartz with the > monobook/quartz(V3) layout. > > Here are some of my ideas: > * Returning the curved header to the skin: > ** Could try raising that logo area a bit higher (It looks even more > space consuming than in V2). > ** Rather than on the right, the curve could be on the left and be used > to make the logo part of the top bar. > *** This would also provide the extra benefit of a flat background so > that transparent logos don't end up unreadable because of gradients in > the real bg). > *** If people still wanted the logo to show up against the background > all they'd need to do is remove/not-include the header image, as the top > bar would use the current markup based background displayed. In that way > both of the liked versions are kept available. > * The curved look to some areas of the skin: > ** The Article_bars type image could actually be returned to the top of > the Article area. It should work with that mockup without causing issues > in reading. > ** The previous suggestions I made on how to reintegrate the bottom > Article_bars into the V2 Quartz Article area could also apply to the V3 > skin. > ** The Search bar at the top of the sidebar could be given the > Article_bars style to. > ** A curve (Not really the article bars style) could be added to the > very bottom of the Sidebar (The related communities box, or if that's > not always it, the bottom box could always be given a .last css class) > *** Overall, rather than giving the sidebar boxes each curves, this > would give the entire sidebar a more unified curve to it. > > Primarily, I think the outcry against Quartz with people wanting > Monobook was layout, not style. It should be possible to integrate the > monobook layout, with a bit of the fancy styling of quartz. > > Though I do have a thought about that bar at the bottom of the page with > the repeat spotlight ads. > > You ever seen one of those sites with a list which rolled from > right-to-left with a bunch of affiliate buttons to a bunch of topsite > lists. > Rather than something ugly of course... > How about letting us list, (In a MW message) a number of wikia which are > similar/related/affiliated with the wikia you're on. And inside that box > at the bottom, they'll roll from right-to-left. Basically it'll be a > logo image with a link to the wiki. > > Also, the sidebar is nice. Looks like we're using a custom MediaWiki > message to create that one? > I could make a suggestion... > Just for the users without JS. This time could we add in a little extra > css styling to style it nicely with CSS, then turn it into a hover menu > with JS after so we know that we're not going to make it unusable to > those without JS. > > ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: > -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) > -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) > -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) > > JohnQ wrote: > > I hate it when that happens. :) Screenshots attached. > > Hi everyone, > > I have what may be an early "Winter holidays" present for many of you... > > We've been working on a new look for Wikia based on both the positive > and negative feedback we've gotten on the V1 and V2 skins. We know > the effort it takes for you to adjust to these skins but we think > we've hit the right balance based on all the feedback. To recap, the > biggest criticisms we received were: > > * don't push the article too far down the page (V1) > * the right-hand sidebar is too wide (V1/V2) > * we want something more like Monobook (V1/V2) > > With that input, we built a V3 that we believe addresses your > concerns while still including the things that will help us grow the > site: > > * a left-hand sidebar > * a wider article space > * more like Monobook > * incorporate the features from V2 that are working > * browsing behavior via top content and the more prominent > search box are up (V2). > * search suggest is useful for visitors (~30% of all searches > use it... on some wikis 70%). > * we still believe giving the community more visibility is the > right thing to do. > > In doing this, however, we had to make one big trade-off. The only > way to reduce the width of the right sidebar was to remove our best > performing ad size (some of the ad networks will only buy that size). > So... we need you to understand that the box ad format is good for > the long-term health of Wikia and, while taking it off 99.99% of > pages, we don't want to get rid of it entirely but rather only show > it on the main page of each wiki since that one page still gets a > decent amount of traffic. This is shown as a "featured media" box on > one of the mockups. > > I'm including some mockups that show you what we've been working on. > In addition, there's a new forum topic on it here: > http://inside.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=141 > > Thanks, > John Q. > > ______________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080103/0dd3c0c3/attachment-0001.html From sannse at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 10:18:43 2008 From: sannse at gmail.com (sannse) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:18:43 +0000 Subject: [Wikia-l] customizing problem reports In-Reply-To: References: <613c581d0712301058v51cde736w884349c6bc09d3d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The next version of this feature is due out very shortly - I'm working with Macbre to finalise it now. I think the best change is that admins will be able to email people reporting problems (email is now a required field, although it could be a fake one of course). That should make it a lot easier to really clear up problems. I'll make sure there is an updated list of Mediawiki messages available for translation/customisation. -- sannse Lisa "sannse" Carter Wikia Community and Technical Team http://www.wikia.com On Dec 30, 2007 7:11 PM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > Look at < > http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:%22Report_a_problem%22#Translation_.3F > > > > 2007/12/30, Chris Stafford wrote: > > are there any magical MediaWiki: varible pages we can shove text in to > > customize problem reports at all? > > > > or atleast would it be possible to get the text of "there is a bug in > the > > software" changed to "there is a bug in the wiki software" > > > > one problem we have at eq2.wikia (and i'm sure other game related > wiki's > > have had this) is that people use PR to report bugs in the game, such as > > cant hail a person, or cant spawn a monster. > > > > -chris "uberfuzzy" stafford > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikia-l mailing list > > Wikia-l at wikia.com > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080103/f42aaa4a/attachment.html From sannse at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 10:54:40 2008 From: sannse at gmail.com (sannse) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:54:40 +0000 Subject: [Wikia-l] Semantic MediaWiki In-Reply-To: <47792DB2.5010801@telus.net> References: <47770986.9010008@telus.net> <47792DB2.5010801@telus.net> Message-ID: I've re-opened the ticket and requested this is installed. I would love to see this as part of what we offer, but it may be a while before it can be added of course - a lot going on as usual! -- sannse Lisa "sannse" Carter Wikia Community and Technical Team http://www.wikia.com On Dec 31, 2007 5:58 PM, DanTMan wrote: > Semantic MediaWiki 1.0 was released finally today. > Since Wikia has said they plan to support using it, the techs should > probably start testing the release. > > ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: > -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) > -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) > -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) > > TwoTailedFox wrote: > > The original goal of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia was to provide a Netrep-style > functionality (http://www.netrep.net). If the techs can install > Version 1.0 for Yu-Gi-Oh!, it would be appreciated. > > On Dec 30, 2007 2:59 AM, DanTMan wrote: > > > Have the techs been looking over and testing the Semantic MediaWiki > Release Candidates to see if they're ok for Wikia? > > Semantic MediaWiki 1.0 is supposed to be released this Sunday. It would > be nice to know how long until Wikia will have it up for use. > > I know of many wiki which would find the extension extremely useful. One > of those being the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki. By using semantic attributes they > should finally be able to allow people to search for cards based on > various bits of card data. Which is something the wiki has been wanting > for a long time to put it on a level with the other card listing sites out. > > -- > ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: > -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) > -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) > -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing listWikia-l at wikia.comhttp://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080103/3e336b8e/attachment.html From twotailedfox at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 22:56:38 2008 From: twotailedfox at gmail.com (TwoTailedFox) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:56:38 +0000 Subject: [Wikia-l] Broken Wikistats Message-ID: Apologies if this has been mentioned previously. http://wikistats.wikia.com/EN/TablesWikiaYUGIOH.htm We seem to have a lot of empty cells, and far lower amounts in the currently-occupied cells than I remember seeing -TTF From johnq at wikia.com Thu Jan 3 23:03:33 2008 From: johnq at wikia.com (JohnQ) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:03:33 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] Broken Wikistats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477D69C5.1030809@wikia.com> Taking a look... TwoTailedFox wrote: > Apologies if this has been mentioned previously. > > http://wikistats.wikia.com/EN/TablesWikiaYUGIOH.htm > > We seem to have a lot of empty cells, and far lower amounts in the > currently-occupied cells than I remember seeing > > -TTF > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From c.stafford at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 23:54:04 2008 From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:54:04 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss Message-ID: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> anyone know if there is a rss extension out there, or if there is a way to do it with the one wikia has installed to have the rss text parsed by the engine so that [[links]] and such are rendered as wiki text -c. "uberfuzzy" stafford -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080103/355ad887/attachment.html From dawormie at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 00:20:59 2008 From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:20:59 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've already asked for this and there are RSS extensions but nothing setup on wikia. There is a blog style system you can use however. I think Angela (or someone with the power) just needs to set it up on the wikia blog system. See this is our RSS feed for the blog. http://feeds.feedburner.com/AoCWikiaBlog This is the MediaWiki page for the blog snippet http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Blog_snippet This is the actual wikia blog showing our article http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/?cat=4 It also feeds into a general gaming blog on there as well http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/ On Jan 4, 2008 10:54 AM, Chris Stafford wrote: > anyone know if there is a rss extension out there, or if there is a way to > do it with the one wikia has installed to have the rss text parsed by the > engine so that [[links]] and such are rendered as wiki text > > -c. "uberfuzzy" stafford > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080104/b246fbb9/attachment.html From dawormie at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 00:22:00 2008 From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:22:00 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I should also add, we created our own RSS feed using a script to parse a page and then feed that to feedburner. http://feeds.feedburner.com/AoCWiki Which draws from : http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/News On Jan 4, 2008 11:20 AM, Victor wrote: > I've already asked for this and there are RSS extensions but nothing setup > on wikia. > > There is a blog style system you can use however. I think Angela (or > someone with the power) just needs to set it up on the wikia blog system. > > See this is our RSS feed for the blog. > http://feeds.feedburner.com/AoCWikiaBlog > > This is the MediaWiki page for the blog snippet > http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Blog_snippet > > This is the actual wikia blog showing our article > http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/?cat=4 > > It also feeds into a general gaming blog on there as well > http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/ > > On Jan 4, 2008 10:54 AM, Chris Stafford wrote: > > > anyone know if there is a rss extension out there, or if there is a way > > to do it with the one wikia has installed to have the rss text parsed by the > > engine so that [[links]] and such are rendered as wiki text > > > > -c. 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URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080103/e488ded3/attachment.html From beesley at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 01:52:02 2008 From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:52:02 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: <613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 4, 2008 11:31 AM, Chris Stafford wrote: > i'm actually looking more for a solution for onsite front page news rather > then blog. > > i've already written a news system, and it has a rss feed generator, i just > need someway to get it to into the wiki page. > > just isnt cutting it, the text is printed as text and not parsed. Do you have any links to show what you mean by this news system? Is it something that is on the wiki or external? Would using the RSS feed from the blog on your home page work? Angela From dan_the_man at telus.net Fri Jan 4 03:38:50 2008 From: dan_the_man at telus.net (DanTMan) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:38:50 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net> Hmmm, I think this is another good opportunity to code something. Just like my WikiVid extension I'm working on. ((I found that the features offered by the various extensions for external embedding videos from other services were either substandard, or desynced from each other and there was no real single good pick to install for what you wanted to do, so I have 80% of an extension which is a perfect replacement for all of them)) Looking at the rss extensions: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS_%28GISWiki%29 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS_Reader http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FeedImport http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SimplePie http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Barrylb/RSS_Feed_Integrator http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Alxndr/RSS http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SimpleFeed http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:RSS2Wiki I see a similar case. Some have good features that others don't have, but miss some that those others do have. Others don't invalidate cache, or just disable it in ways unwanted. And various ones use different libraries, some of them are using ones which are not supported anymore, or are just parsing the feeds themselves with bad methods. But 99% of them are ugly kludges from the coding standards set by good extensions that are around. So I could probably create a nice RSS Extension which would combine all the useful features, be coded well, work the right way with the cache to avoid bad data and not bog the server, and generally be good enough to replace the current set of RSS Extensions. Looking at the pages and the e-mail I've got some ideas for the starting feature set: * How to treat the cache should be selectable with a $eg variable (Invalidation, Nocache, leave cached; I'll check out the options on how things can best be treated) * Whether rel="nofollow" is added to links or not should be selectable using an $eg variable. * Either a template, or inline syntax should be able to be used to customize the output format for the rss feed. * The input format should be customizable (Plain text, Plain text with basic text formatting (Change http://... into a link, etc...), WikiText, or Limited HTML [Extract inline tags and parse tags like to allow limited use of links]) * Options for: Max # of entries to display, customize date format, charset conversion, short output instead of full, highlight certain terms in the feed text (Perhaps regex so people can highlight something like /\bDan(iel)?\b/i), display in reverse order, and ability to filter the feed to only-include/exclude entries with certain text in the title or content (We could allow regex matching to). Give me a little more input on what features you want included in the extension. Also, what kind of syntax do you want? * Should I use and add some backwards compatibility? So old rss tags will still work, but will benefit from probably better use of caching and such * Or perhaps I should use another tag name (Ideas on what to call it?) * Or if you want I could use some sort of alternative syntax (WikiVid uses [[Embed:Video Title]] as one of the syntaxes), as long as it's geared towards being a understandable format. Also, I'd like some input from the techs on what they want me to do with caching and potential invalidation. A needs to be setup between caching feeds to avoid hitting other servers to much, keeping wiki pages cached to avoid strain of re-parsing every time, but also the pages should periodically be refreshed to keep feeds on the page up do date. Technically it could be possible to have some sort of arbitrary {UNIQUErss-1364% (Similar to what the parser has) saved in the page which is actually substituted at display time so that the entire page does not need to be reparsed just to update a feed. But I don't completely know about that thought... Input? ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) Angela wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 11:31 AM, Chris Stafford wrote: > >> i'm actually looking more for a solution for onsite front page news rather >> then blog. >> >> i've already written a news system, and it has a rss feed generator, i just >> need someway to get it to into the wiki page. >> >> just isnt cutting it, the text is printed as text and not parsed. >> > > Do you have any links to show what you mean by this news system? Is it > something that is on the wiki or external? Would using the RSS feed > from the blog on your home page work? > > Angela > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080103/44267d12/attachment.html From c.stafford at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 04:05:52 2008 From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:05:52 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: <477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net> References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> <477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net> Message-ID: <613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> ok, here's some links: here's the feed, http://eq2.bdjcomic.com/eq2i/rss.php here's the feed on a wiki page, http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/User:Uberfuzzy/rss right now, our front page news is on a transcluded subpage called "News Panel" (the subpage is just so we dont have to edit the front page for every news post) http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page/News_Panel for every news post we just edit News_Panel, and add the new news to the top, and if the page is too long, or too many things, we bump some off the end and place them on an archive page http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/News_Archives -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080103/e7f6dbb3/attachment.html From xkernigh at netscape.net Fri Jan 4 04:07:55 2008 From: xkernigh at netscape.net (xkernigh at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:07:55 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] blogs.wikia.com (was: parsing rss) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801032307.56519.xkernigh@netscape.net> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Victor wrote: > This is the MediaWiki page for the blog snippet > http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Blog_snippet > > This is the actual wikia blog showing our article > http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/?cat=4 > > It also feeds into a general gaming blog on there as well > http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/ Does this blog feature still function? The most recent post of http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/ is dated 15 Nov, more than one month ago. I attempted to post "Speed in NetHack" by way of http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Blog_snippet but it has yet to appear. (Older post "Samurai" http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/?p=118 appeared 24 Sept.) --Kernigh http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/User:Kernigh From dawormie at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 08:52:03 2008 From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:52:03 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: <613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> <477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net> <613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We're using DPL for our news feed. Doesn't matter how long the news page gets, it only shows the top 4 articles. http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/News - is our news page (may archive some news on there any way soon) http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page - the main page (news in top right obviously) http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Latestnewsfromnews the template with the DPL for the latest news on front page. On Jan 4, 2008 3:05 PM, Chris Stafford wrote: > ok, here's some links: > > here's the feed, http://eq2.bdjcomic.com/eq2i/rss.php > here's the feed on a wiki page, > http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/User:Uberfuzzy/rss > > right now, our front page news is on a transcluded subpage called "News > Panel" (the subpage is just so we dont have to edit the front page for every > news post) > http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page/News_Panel > > for every news post we just edit News_Panel, and add the new news to the > top, and if the page is too long, or too many things, we bump some off the > end and place them on an archive page > http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/News_Archives > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080104/c1309e5c/attachment-0001.html From greenreaper at hotmail.com Fri Jan 4 08:56:33 2008 From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:56:33 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com><613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com><477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net><613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com><613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com><8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com><477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net><613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > We're using DPL for our news feed. > Doesn't matter how long the news page gets, it only shows the top 4 > articles. We have a similar system at WikiFur, though we set up a separate News: namespace for news articles. Front page template at: http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Template:WikiFur_Central/WikiFur_News Main news page at http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/News:Front_Page -- Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry http://greenreaper.co.uk/ - http://wikifur.com/ "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" From c.stafford at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 08:57:43 2008 From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:57:43 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> <477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net> <613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <613c581d0801040057m167fdfes27d229057d130674@mail.gmail.com> i thought about doing that, but dpl causes enough strain on the servers, i hate to add more. also, we'd still have to do all the formatting by hand. my system that feeds that feed creates all the date formating and user links, all that non-content stuff, you just login, click "post new news" and type in your rant. it knows who you are, what your wiki username is and all that jazz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080104/b205e17c/attachment.html From c.stafford at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 09:08:31 2008 From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 04:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: <613c581d0801040057m167fdfes27d229057d130674@mail.gmail.com> References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> <477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net> <613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801040057m167fdfes27d229057d130674@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <613c581d0801040108h284c72aelcae57d5308349b3@mail.gmail.com> actually, now that i look at it, AOC's system might be what i wanted to do more then wikifur's. my knowledge of dpl is very limited, so i wasnt aware you could do that. On Jan 4, 2008 3:57 AM, Chris Stafford wrote: > i thought about doing that, but dpl causes enough strain on the servers, i > hate to add more. > > also, we'd still have to do all the formatting by hand. my system that > feeds that feed creates all the date formating and user links, all that > non-content stuff, you just login, click "post new news" and type in your > rant. it knows who you are, what your wiki username is and all that jazz. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080104/2ed5928a/attachment.html From c.stafford at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:04:31 2008 From: c.stafford at gmail.com (Chris Stafford) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:04:31 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] DPL not obeying __NOEDITSECTION__ and __NOTOC__ Message-ID: <613c581d0801040404w7b358c86ic9ee37c70aa5381d@mail.gmail.com> I went looking at all the various RSS methods, and none seem to do what i wanted, and then i looked at Daworms's news system from AOC.wikia and i decided to gank that and see what i could do. after fighting with it for a while (and digging through the DPL manual) i got it to read and output in a format that i liked. but theres 2 problems, its also printing a TOC, despite the __NOTOC__ on the page, and its also printing section [edit]'s despite the __NOEDITSECTION__ also on the page. i have this test page with the DPL template include at the top and the source page straight transcluded at the bottom here is the page with no __NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__ http://eq2.wikia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page2&oldid=207278 notice the TOC on both the top and bottom section here is the page after adding __NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__ before the dpl call http://eq2.wikia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page2&oldid=207280 notice the bottom TOC is gone, as are the sec [edits]? yet the top ones from the dpl generated content is still there. and for the record, i also tried placing the DPL call directly on the page instead of inside a template, no dice. i found a work around, i'm going to not re-wrap the sections in ==='s making them headers, i'm going to just css format them to look like it. but i thought i should mention this to someone, as it might be causing an issue elsewhere, or there might be some DPL flag/tag/var that i missed that can properly turn them off. -C. 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URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080104/35e60789/attachment.html From dawormie at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 22:26:24 2008 From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:26:24 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] blogs.wikia.com (was: parsing rss) In-Reply-To: <200801032307.56519.xkernigh@netscape.net> References: <200801032307.56519.xkernigh@netscape.net> Message-ID: I believe you're only meant to have one snippet up there at a time, and you simply change it when you wish it to update. Try take our your second "blog snippet" code title there. On Jan 4, 2008 3:07 PM, wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Victor wrote: > > This is the MediaWiki page for the blog snippet > > http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Blog_snippet > > > > This is the actual wikia blog showing our article > > http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/?cat=4 > > > > It also feeds into a general gaming blog on there as well > > http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/ > > Does this blog feature still function? > > The most recent post of http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/ is dated 15 Nov, > more than one month ago. I attempted to post "Speed in NetHack" by way > of http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Blog_snippet but it has yet > to appear. (Older post "Samurai" http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/?p=118 > appeared 24 Sept.) > > --Kernigh http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/User:Kernigh > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080105/09cc37e0/attachment.html From dawormie at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 22:27:12 2008 From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:27:12 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: <613c581d0801040108h284c72aelcae57d5308349b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801031631r27cce692ke152bc87ecbcd5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> <477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net> <613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801040057m167fdfes27d229057d130674@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801040108h284c72aelcae57d5308349b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Same here, I had someone else create it for us :) On Jan 4, 2008 8:08 PM, Chris Stafford wrote: > actually, now that i look at it, AOC's system might be what i wanted to do > more then wikifur's. my knowledge of dpl is very limited, so i wasnt aware > you could do that. > > > On Jan 4, 2008 3:57 AM, Chris Stafford < c.stafford at gmail.com> wrote: > > > i thought about doing that, but dpl causes enough strain on the servers, > > i hate to add more. > > > > also, we'd still have to do all the formatting by hand. my system that > > feeds that feed creates all the date formating and user links, all that > > non-content stuff, you just login, click "post new news" and type in your > > rant. it knows who you are, what your wiki username is and all that jazz. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080105/3bb9f95a/attachment.html From martineznovo at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 19:34:01 2008 From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:34:01 +0100 Subject: [Wikia-l] slow page loads In-Reply-To: References: <419B0257-D573-4325-ADB2-BB78D1678657@wikia.com> <92CD7B86-4209-401B-8AFC-998B258FBC43@crucially.net> Message-ID: Today, loading concurrently this tho pages: and , the latter one gave me a "MediaWiki White screen of death" saying a database error occurred, (hidden SQL) inside the function "Database::replace". The error reported was "1205: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (216.151.156.9)". The pages are the ones which tooks an eternity to load. Also, I noticed that sometimes, when is loading a page that takes a long time to load, and simultaneously I try to load other pages like Special:Recentchanges or others which are normally fast to load, all pages say "loading" a long time until one of them gets loaded, and then the others start to render. Maybe there's a concurrency problem. Any idea of when the problem will get solved? I installed exactly the current version of the wiki from SVN (svn checkout -r 26409 http://svn.wikimedia...) in my computer, downloaded the last database dump (pages_current) of the es.pokemon wiki, imported the dump with the import script, and imported those small images of the page with the importimages script, and the pages that here takes very long to load, for me loaded acceptably fast. Wikia is supposed to have fast dedicated servers so here the load would be really faster. Maybe the problem is one of the extensions, or the internal database architecture of wikia, but not MediaWiki itself. Maybe recreating the wiki in a similar web server with the same extensions, and then disabling each of the extensions could be a starting point to look into it. Hope it helps to find the problem. 2007/12/31, Artur Bergman wrote: > No, I don't think so. > > I was seeing it happening, and then suddenly -- without any changes > -- it jumped down to 0.4 seconds and I couldn't reproduce. > > Still digging into it. > > Artur > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > > > On MW 1.10 all pages loaded very fast. The problem appeared on MW1.12. > > Maybe the most recent version of MW1.12 solved the problem? > > > > 2007/12/30, Artur Bergman : > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am trying to debug this problem, thanks for the data. > >> > >> What I cannot figure out why this is loading so slow on the first > >> page, and then really fast. IMS still requires a rework of the > >> backend page. > >> > >> Did this at all happen with MW1.10? > >> > >> Artur > >> > >> > >> On Dec 30, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > >> > >>> At least on WikiDex we're having > >>> problems now for some pages. > >>> > >>> For example, I try to open the page > >>> on Internet > >>> Explorer, > >>> where I'm not logged in, and record all the process with a packet > >>> sniffer. > >>> > >>> This is what I got: > >>> >>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiamp5.png> > >>> It tooks 319 seconds to give a response. It's definitively not > >>> acceptable. Ignore the packets 6 to 9 because is the result to > >>> hit the > >>> "stop" button in firefox. > >>> > >>> Then, I reloaded the same page on IE and it loaded really fast, > >>> with a > >>> 304 (Not Modified) response. Then i did the same with Firefox, where > >>> I'm logged in. > >>> > >>> This is the result. > >>> >>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiamh5.png>. > >>> 375 seconds!!. Now, a next load in firefox tooks really few to load > >>> > >>> I had the same problem with > >>> >>> Problema_con_im%C3%A1genes>, > >>> where I bugged the links to images so the images aren't displayed, > >>> just to test if the problem were the images, but it took 137 seconds > >>> to load. >>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiaxh5.png> > >>> > >>> Please, fix this ASAP, or rollback to MW1.10. > >>> > >>> It's really frustrating to our new (and not so new) visitors. > >>> > >>> > >>> 2007/12/26, Artur Bergman wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Some people are experiencing a ~45 second delay the first time you > >>>> access a wiki. (It just says loading.) I am trying to figure out > >>>> why > >>>> and I am trying to collect data. If anyone is experiencing this, > >>>> can > >>>> you please post what browsers you are on, and any detail you might > >>>> think is relevant. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Artur > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikia-l mailing list > >>>> Wikia-l en wikia.com > >>>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikia-l mailing list > >>> Wikia-l en wikia.com > >>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikia-l mailing list > >> Wikia-l en wikia.com > >> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikia-l mailing list > > Wikia-l en wikia.com > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l en wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > From tcrow777 at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 07:43:45 2008 From: tcrow777 at gmail.com (Timothy J. Crowell) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:43:45 -0600 Subject: [Wikia-l] Corrupted topics at http://inside.wikia.com/forum Message-ID: <46a5eb5d0801052343i12f053c3kda104c7f9da682c1@mail.gmail.com> I like the Inside Wikia forums , but I can't read most of the the topics because they return a blank page, I can't even read the topic on how to read the corrupted topics . Hope this gets fixed soon. Keep up the good work Wikia staff! -Timothy From johnq at wikia.com Sun Jan 6 09:43:24 2008 From: johnq at wikia.com (JohnQ) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:43:24 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] Corrupted topics at http://inside.wikia.com/forum In-Reply-To: <46a5eb5d0801052343i12f053c3kda104c7f9da682c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <46a5eb5d0801052343i12f053c3kda104c7f9da682c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4780A2BC.50508@wikia.com> Ok, thanks for letting us know Timothy... we'll take a look at this. Thanks, Q. Timothy J. Crowell wrote: > I like the Inside Wikia forums , but I > can't read most of the the topics because they return a blank page, I > can't even read the topic on how to read the corrupted topics > . > > Hope this gets fixed soon. Keep up the good work Wikia staff! > > -Timothy > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From dan_the_man at telus.net Sun Jan 6 09:57:13 2008 From: dan_the_man at telus.net (DanTMan) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:57:13 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] [[Special:Recent changes combined]] - Could use improvement - Open it? Message-ID: <4780A5F9.9020907@telus.net> I looked back at [[Special:Recent changes combined]] recently thinking it might be an idea for watching the near absolute inactive wiki which I almost never check for changes anymore. But looking over it I found that it was completely unusable. * Markup is broken and is also hard to read. * diff and history links don't show up for wiki other than central. * The name/link of the page that was edited does not show. * The dates are incorrect (Edits that are from a few weeks ago show up under today's date. * The retrieval is extremely slow... From the looks of it, it is a heavy load on the server just to check 20 near inactive wiki. * And it doesn't keep up to date at all (The Combined recent changes lists changes which are over a day old when there are new changes in front, and is in no way recent) It doesn't look like it's something high in the que to be worked on. Would the techs mind opening up the code and letting the volunteers fix it, or rewrite it if necessary? I think I might be able to find some ways to make it run better to. Just a query... Would there be anything wrong with creating a special globalrecentchanges table inside of the shared database? It's the method I would probably use to make this work best... With database querying, and api behind if not ok... -- ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) From martineznovo at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 11:17:28 2008 From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:17:28 +0100 Subject: [Wikia-l] Corrupted topics at http://inside.wikia.com/forum In-Reply-To: <4780A2BC.50508@wikia.com> References: <46a5eb5d0801052343i12f053c3kda104c7f9da682c1@mail.gmail.com> <4780A2BC.50508@wikia.com> Message-ID: How to read corrupted topics: lol 2008/1/6, JohnQ : > Ok, thanks for letting us know Timothy... we'll take a look at this. > Thanks, > Q. > > > Timothy J. Crowell wrote: > > I like the Inside Wikia forums , but I > > can't read most of the the topics because they return a blank page, I > > can't even read the topic on how to read the corrupted topics > > . > > > > Hope this gets fixed soon. Keep up the good work Wikia staff! > > > > -Timothy > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikia-l mailing list > > Wikia-l en wikia.com > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l en wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > From beesley at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 01:25:43 2008 From: beesley at gmail.com (Angela) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:25:43 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] New wikis update Message-ID: <8b722b800801061725o51c5a495n5bc90c28159020ec@mail.gmail.com> This is a list of the 240 new wikis created over the past 3 weeks since the last update. 35% of them are in languages other than English, including our first wiki in Sundanese. English * Super Robot Wars - http://superrobotwars.wikia.com (game) * Code Snippets - http://codesnippets.wikia.com (wikicode) * Folklore Game - http://folkloregame.wikia.com (game) * BlackD Proxy - http://blackdproxy.wikia.com (gaming) * Sindhi Business History - http://sindhibusinesshistory.wikia.com * Just Cause - http://justcause.wikia.com * Nick at Nite Wiki - http://nickatnite.wikia.com (TV) * Warriors Orochi - http://warriorsorochi.wikia.com (game) * Game Development - http://en.gamedev.wikia.com * Alvin and the Chipmunks - http://alvin.wikia.com (TV) * Astonia - http://astonia.wikia.com (game) * Test Drive Unlimited Wiki - http://testdrive.wikia.com * Network Access Protection Wiki - http://networkap.wikia.com * Disasters Wiki - http://disasters.wikia.com * FTF Halo - http://ftfhalo.wikia.com (gaming) * Flying Spaghetti Monster Wiki - http://flyingspaghettimonster.wikia.com * Tales of Symphonia - http://talesofsymphonia.wikia.com (game) * Reenactor - http://reenactor.wikia.com (historical reenactment) * Powerpuff Girls - http://powerpuff.wikia.com (cartoon) * Experimental Music - http://experimentalmusic.wikia.com * Constructed Sports - http://consport.wikia.com * Keitai Denj? Telefang - http://telefang.wikia.com (game) * Pregnancy - http://pregnancy.wikia.com * Guardians of Ga'hoole - http://guardiansofgahoole.wikia.com (books) * TV Ads - http://tvads.wikia.com * Circuit Bending - http://circuitbending.wikia.com (music) * Advice - http://advice.wikia.com * Suspension Training - http://suspensiontraining.wikia.com (fitness) * Arkadian Warriors - http://arkadianwarriors.wikia.com (game) * Coen Brothers - http://coenbrothers.wikia.com (films) * Domain Names - http://domain.wikia.com * Primal - http://primal.wikia.com (game) * Kennedy Center Honors - http://kennedycenter.wikia.com * Ganutell - http://ganutell.wikia.com (craft) * Remington Steele - http://remingtonsteele.wikia.com (TV) * The Stormwind Crusaders - http://tswc.wikia.com (gaming guild) * VeggieTales - http://veggietales.wikia.com (TV) * Duke Nukem - http://dukenukem.wikia.com (game) * Tea - http://tea.wikia.com * The Orphan's Tales - http://orphanstales.wikia.com (books) * The Bodypainting Wiki - http://bodypainting.wikia.com (Art) * Ducati Wiki - http://ducati.wikia.com (cars) * Althanas - http://althanas.wikia.com (game) * Black Books - http://blackbooks.wikia.com (TV) * NW Carib Net - http://nwcaribbeannet.wikia.com (travel) * Charlie Bone - http://charliebone.wikia.com (books) * Middle Ages - http://middleages.wikia.com (history) * Breaking - http://break.wikia.com (dance/culture) * Burnout Paradise - http://burnoutparadise.wikia.com (game) * Madness - http://madness.wikia.com (music) * Crusades - http://crusades.wikia.com * Wyvern - http://wyvern.wikia.com (game) * BMET - http://bmet.wikia.com (medical equipment) * EeePC Wiki - http://eeepc.wikia.com (Technology) * Shareowner Activism Wiki - http://shareowneractivism.wikia.com * Music of India - http://musicofindia.wikia.com * Robin Hood - http://robinhood.wikia.com * Disney Park Audio - http://disneyparkaudio.wikia.com * Kayaking - http://kayak.wikia.com * Unbionicle - http://unbionicle.wikia.com (humor) * GlobalCiv - http://globalciv.wikia.com (game) * Masterpiece - http://masterpiece.wikia.com (art) * Jacksonville Jaguars - http://jacksonvillejaguars.wikia.com (sports) * Green Cars - http://greencars.wikia.com (ecology) * Democracy Game - http://democracygame.wikia.com * Paris - http://paris.wikia.com (city) * Rings of Fornalder - http://ringsoffornalder.wikia.com (books) * Camp Lazlo - http://camplazlo.wikia.com (cartoon) * Redline Cars - http://redlinecars.wikia.com (sports cars) * Rakion - http://rakion.wikia.com (game) * Unhalo - http://unhalo.wikia.com (gaming/humor) * IT Security - http://itsecurity.wikia.com (computing) * Trukz - http://trukz.wikia.com (game) * Gandhigiri - http://gandhigiri.wikia.com (ethics) * Oddopedia - http://oddopedia.wikia.com (humor) * Top Trumps - http://toptrumps.wikia.com (card game) * Solar Homes - http://solarhomes.wikia.com * Software Testing - http://softwaretesting.wikia.com * Stanford's Dahlia Project - http://dahlia.wikia.com * Holic - http://holic.wikia.com (game) * Hannah Montana - http://hannahmontana.wikia.com (TV) * Online Dating - http://onlinedating.wikia.com * Noelia - http://noelia.wikia.com (singer) * Ultrasonics - http://ultrasonics.wikia.com (science) * LPH Corps - http://lphcorps.wikia.com (gaming guild) * The Twilight Zone - http://twilightzone.wikia.com (TV) * Katamari - http://katamari.wikia.com (game) * Pendragon Adventure - http://pendragonadventure.wikia.com (books) * GnuPG - http://gnupg.wikia.com (software) * Luann - http://luann.wikia.com (comic) * Mesothelioma - http://mesothelioma.wikia.com (cancer) * Model Development - http://managementmodel.wikia.com * Movers - http://movers.wikia.com * CDG - http://cdg.wikia.com (software) * Sven Hassel - http://svenhassel.wikia.com (books) * BZPower Roleplaying - http://bzpower.wikia.com (gaming) * CLIPsMaster - http://clipsmaster.wikia.com (image software) * Omega Group - http://omegagroup.wikia.com (gaming guild * Bass - http://bass.wikia.com (music) * House Serpentcrest - http://houseserpentcrest.wikia.com (gaming guild) * CLAMP - http://clamp.wikia.com (anime/manga) * Ranma - http://ranma.wikia.com (anime) * Global learning and teaching - http://21stcenturylearning.wikia.com * Innovation in Spain - http://spaininnovation.wikia.com * Apartments - http://apartments.wikia.com * Buzz Out Loud - http://buzzoutloud.wikia.com * Pure in Fight - http://fali.wikia.com * Wiffle - http://wiffle.wikia.com * Hencachi - http://hencachi.wikia.com (cartoon) * Lifehacking - http://lifehacking.wikia.com (personal improvement) * GOWbN Wiki - http://gowbn.wikia.com (gaming) * Kids Are The World - http://kidsaretheworld.wikia.com (children's magazine) * Magic: The Gathering Fan Fiction - http://magicfanfiction.wikia.com * Miniature Golf - http://minigolf.wikia.com * Emperors New Groove - http://emperorsnewgroove.wikia.com (cartoon) * Cichlids - http://cichlid.wikia.com (fish) * Fictional Nobility - http://fictionalnobility.wikia.com * Sakura Online - http://sakuraonline.wikia.com (game) * GURPS - http://gurps.wikia.com (game) * Barrow and Furness - http://barrowandfurness.wikia.com (sport) * ADHD - http://adhd.wikia.com (health) * Asbestos - http://asbestos.wikia.com * Little House on the Prairie - http://littlehouse.wikia.com * Grand Universe - http://granduniverse.wikia.com (rpg) * Gauntlet - http://gauntlet.wikia.com (game) * Fighting Fantasy - http://fightingfantasy.wikia.com (rpg books) * Sawnick - http://sawnick.wikia.com (game/parody) * DRIV3R - http://driv3r.wikia.com (game) * KMRP - http://kmrp.wikia.com (rpg) * In Nomine - http://innomine.wikia.com (game) * One World Inn - http://owi.wikia.com (rpg) * DoWpro - http://dowpro.wikia.com (gaming) * Dark Horizons - http://darkhorizons.wikia.com (rpg) * Dizzywood - http://dizzywood.wikia.com (game) * Forever Knight - http://foreverknight.wikia.com (TV) * TUGS - http://tugs.wikia.com (TV) * SuperFriends - http://superfriends.wikia.com (cartoon) * Deadliest Catch - http://deadliestcatch.wikia.com (TV) * Visual Kei - http://visualkei.wikia.com (music) * Naked Brothers Band - http://nbb.wikia.com (music) * Wallace & Gromit - http://wallaceandgromit.wikia.com (TV) * Torchwood - http://torchwood.wikia.com (TV) * Hellboy - http://hellboy.wikia.com (comics) * Hiccup - http://hiccup.wikia.com (books) * University of North Carolina at Greensboro - http://uncg.wikia.com * VAUMC Clergy Memoirs - http://vaumcclergymemoirs.wikia.com (history) * New College - http://newcollege.wikia.com * PostgreSQL - http://postgresql.wikia.com * Instruments - http://instruments.wikia.com * Atlantis - http://atlantis.wikia.com (myth) * Multiverse - http://multiverse.wikia.com (fiction) * Toad's Castle - http://toadscastle.wikia.com (forum) * The Martian Conquest - http://martianconquest.wikia.com (book) * No Homers Club - http://nohomers.wikia.com (forum) * Nature - http://nature.wikia.com Bosnian / Bosanski * Bosanski Brod - http://bosanskibrod.wikia.com (city) Chinese / ?? * Pirates of the Burning Sea - http://zh-hans.potbs.wikia.com (game) * Pandemonium - http://pandemonium.wikia.com * Company Wiki - http://zh.company.wikia.com * ???? Wiki - http://zh.china.wikia.com * Ping-Pong Wiki - http://zh.pingpong.wikia.com (sport) * ? IPhone Wikia - http://zh-hans.iphone.wikia.com * ? Flash??(???) - http://zh-hk.flash.wikia.com * 3epc - http://zh.3epc.wikia.com Dutch / Nederlands * Tunes Wiki - http://nl.tunes.wikia.com * Eten Wiki - http://nl.eten.wikia.com * Verhuizen - http://verhuizen.wikia.com French / Fran?ais * In Nomina Satanis/Magna Veritas - http://fr.ins.wikia.com (game) * Intellect Territorial - http://fr.intellectterritorial.wikia.com (regional government) * Immobilier - http://immobilier.wikia.com (real estate) * Auteurs - http://auteurs.wikia.com (writing) * Havre - http://havre.wikia.com (city) * Verdun - http://verdun.wikia.com (city) * Mytholia - http://nl.mytholia.wikia.com (game) * Terra Wiki - http://nl.land.wikia.com (fictional history) * Nicolas Sarkozy - http://fr.sarkozy.wikia.com (politician) Finnish / Suomi * Maple Story - http://fi.maplestory.wikia.com (game) * Lord of the Rings - http://tarusormustenherrasta.wikia.com German / Deutsch * Rapperswil-Jona - http://de.rapperswiljona.wikia.com (place) * PlayStation - http://de.playstation.wikia.com (gaming) * Amazonien - http://de.amazonien.wikia.com (rainforest) * Vbus - http://de.vbus.wikia.com (game) * RuneScape - http://de.runescape.wikia.com (game) * Yugioh - http://de.yugioh.wikia.com (anime/manga) * Tibia - http://de.tibia.wikia.com (game) * Bujinkan - http://de.bujinkan.wikia.com (martial arts) * PlayStationWiki - http://de.playstation.wikia.com (PlayStation) * Naruto - http://de.naruto.wikia.com (anime/manga) Greek / ???????? * Anorthosis - http://el.anorthosis.wikia.com (football) Hebrew * Scientology - http://he.scientology.wikia.com (religion) * Windows - http://he.windows.wikia.com (software) Hindi * Education - http://hi.education.wikia.com * Kahanikosh - http://kahanikosh.wikia.com (writers) Italian / Italiano * Fabrizio de Andr? - http://it.fabriziodeandre.wikia.com (music) * Gears Of War - http://it.gearsofwar.wikia.com (game) * Crime - http://it.crime.wikia.com Japanese / ??? * IronPython - http://ja.ironpython.wikia.com/ (programming) * Matchizukuri - http://ja.machizukuri.wikia.com (urban design) Javanese / Basa Jawa * Ndhablek - http://ndhablek.wikia.com (Uncyclopedia) Limburgian / Limburgs * Landj - http://landj.wikia.com Norwegian / Norsk * ? Geocaching - http://no.geocaching.wikia.com * ? Music - http://musikk.wikia.com Polish / Polski * In?ynieria - http://inzynieria.wikia.com (engineering) * Rock Music - http://pl.rock.wikia.com * Skijumping - http://pl.skijumping.wikia.com * Basketball - http://pl.nba.wikia.com * Krak?w - http://pl.krakow.wikia.com (city) * Winx Wiki - http://pl.klubwinx.wikia.com * Programowanie - http://programowanie.wikia.com (programming) * Computers - http://pl.computers.wikia.com * Kielce - http://pl.kielce.wikia.com (city) Portuguese / Portugu?s * Dream of Mirror Online - http://pt.domo.wikia.com * Mortal Kombat - http://pt.mortalkombat.wikia.com * Zombiepedia - http://pt-br.zombie.wikia.com * Mario - http://pt-br.mario.wikia.com * Futurama - http://pt-br.futurama.wikia.com * Advanced Proxy - http://pt.advproxy.wikia.com Russian / ??????? * Stalking and Digging - http://ru.stalking.wikia.com (exploration) * My Byways - http://ru.mybyways.wikia.com (travel) * Wordpress Codex in Russian - http://ru.wordpress.wikia.com * Starcraft - http://ru.starcraft.wikia.com (game) * Final Fantasy - http://ru.finalfantasy.wikia.com (game) Spanish / Espa?ol * Dynasty Warriors - http://es.dynastywarriors.wikia.com * El Palenque - http://palenque.wikia.com * Karate - http://es.karate.wikia.com * Innebra - http://es.innebra.wikia.com * Kingdom Hearts - http://es.kingdomhearts.wikia.com * Literatura - http://es.literatura.wikia.com * Vegan - http://es.vegan.wikia.com * Eufrosoft - http://es.eufrosoft.wikia.com * E-commerce in Latin America - http://latam.wikia.com * M?xico Defe - http://es.mexicodefe.wikia.com * Tibia - http://es.tibia.wikia.com * Hannah Montana - http://es.hannahmontana.wikia.com * Lucky Star - http://es.luckystar.wikia.com (manga) Sundanese / Basa Sunda * Goblogpedia - http://su.goblogpedia.wikia.com (Uncyclopedia) Swedish / Svenska * Min Bil - http://sv.minbil.wikia.com * Tibia - http://sv.tibia.wikia.com (game) Thai / ??? * Thai Books - http://thaiwords.wikia.com Ukrainian / ?????????? * Duropedia - http://duropedia.wikia.com You can also view this list at http://www.wikia.com/wiki/New_wikis_this_week Angela From dawormie at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 02:02:32 2008 From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:02:32 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] parsing rss In-Reply-To: References: <613c581d0801031554k16bc6b2pede7027390834fba@mail.gmail.com> <8b722b800801031752k7cea3788yc2f591b3f56bd3f@mail.gmail.com> <477DAA4A.6000505@telus.net> <613c581d0801032005i7a65983fra675e037e5a03415@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801040057m167fdfes27d229057d130674@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801040108h284c72aelcae57d5308349b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We have a wiki news only further down the page, same system, just using different pages for includes. I suppose we could incorporate them all into the one, but then it might need a bit of visual redesign so things stand out more I guess. On Jan 6, 2008 6:27 AM, Ciza?a wrote: > I like a lot AOC news display system but then i would have one for game > news and one for wiki news but would be nice if i could intercalate them so > i could see a clear time-line of news. > > Ciz > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080107/155c23d9/attachment.html From dawormie at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 03:31:13 2008 From: dawormie at gmail.com (Victor) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:31:13 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] Looks like the right border on the article section of aoc wiki has disappeared. Message-ID: Not sure if it's affecting others and I'm pretty sure there should be one.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080107/75860478/attachment.html From manticore.wikia at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 07:39:46 2008 From: manticore.wikia at gmail.com (Manticore) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:39:46 +1100 Subject: [Wikia-l] Problem reports upgrade problem Message-ID: Oh, the irony; I'm reporting a problem on problem reports. The PR upgrade working on 1.12 wikis (such as scratchpad) does not allow users to view more than 20 archived problem reports without directly changing the URL. The options to view 20, 50, etc. problem reports in the archive leads back to current problem reports (there is no &archived=1 attached in the URL). Manticore -- http://wikia.com/wiki/User:Manticore http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Manticore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080107/443be54b/attachment.html From martineznovo at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 19:17:18 2008 From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:17:18 +0100 Subject: [Wikia-l] Looks like the right border on the article section of aoc wiki has disappeared. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, in Monobook, all upgraded wikis lost the right border that separates visually the content from the ads. 2008/1/7, Victor : > Not sure if it's affecting others and I'm pretty sure there should be > one.... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l en wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From martineznovo at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 19:44:14 2008 From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:44:14 +0100 Subject: [Wikia-l] slow page loads In-Reply-To: References: <419B0257-D573-4325-ADB2-BB78D1678657@wikia.com> <92CD7B86-4209-401B-8AFC-998B258FBC43@crucially.net> Message-ID: Wow, guys, I don't know what did you do, but the pages now are loading extremely fast. action=purge, editing, it doesn't matter, the load is inmediate. Maybe the fact that the last 3 weeks the pages took eternities to load increases the feeling of speed, but they're really fast. Many thanks for working on it. I hope the bug doesn't come again. Greetings! 2008/1/5, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > Today, loading concurrently this tho pages: > and > , > the latter one gave me a "MediaWiki White screen of death" saying a > database error occurred, (hidden SQL) inside the function > "Database::replace". The error reported was "1205: Lock wait timeout > exceeded; try restarting transaction (216.151.156.9)". > > The pages are the ones which tooks an eternity to load. > > Also, I noticed that sometimes, when is loading a page that takes a > long time to load, and simultaneously I try to load other pages like > Special:Recentchanges or others which are normally fast to load, all > pages say "loading" a long time until one of them gets loaded, and > then the others start to render. Maybe there's a concurrency problem. > > Any idea of when the problem will get solved? > > I installed exactly the current version of the wiki from SVN (svn > checkout -r 26409 http://svn.wikimedia...) in my computer, downloaded > the last database dump (pages_current) of the es.pokemon wiki, > imported the dump with the import script, and imported those small > images of the page with the importimages script, and the pages that > here takes very long to load, for me loaded acceptably fast. Wikia is > supposed to have fast dedicated servers so here the load would be > really faster. Maybe the problem is one of the extensions, or the > internal database architecture of wikia, but not MediaWiki itself. > > Maybe recreating the wiki in a similar web server with the same > extensions, and then disabling each of the extensions could be a > starting point to look into it. > > Hope it helps to find the problem. > > 2007/12/31, Artur Bergman wrote: > > No, I don't think so. > > > > I was seeing it happening, and then suddenly -- without any changes > > -- it jumped down to 0.4 seconds and I couldn't reproduce. > > > > Still digging into it. > > > > Artur > > > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > > > > > On MW 1.10 all pages loaded very fast. The problem appeared on MW1.12. > > > Maybe the most recent version of MW1.12 solved the problem? > > > > > > 2007/12/30, Artur Bergman : > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> I am trying to debug this problem, thanks for the data. > > >> > > >> What I cannot figure out why this is loading so slow on the first > > >> page, and then really fast. IMS still requires a rework of the > > >> backend page. > > >> > > >> Did this at all happen with MW1.10? > > >> > > >> Artur > > >> > > >> > > >> On Dec 30, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > > >> > > >>> At least on WikiDex we're having > > >>> problems now for some pages. > > >>> > > >>> For example, I try to open the page > > >>> on Internet > > >>> Explorer, > > >>> where I'm not logged in, and record all the process with a packet > > >>> sniffer. > > >>> > > >>> This is what I got: > > >>> > >>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiamp5.png> > > >>> It tooks 319 seconds to give a response. It's definitively not > > >>> acceptable. Ignore the packets 6 to 9 because is the result to > > >>> hit the > > >>> "stop" button in firefox. > > >>> > > >>> Then, I reloaded the same page on IE and it loaded really fast, > > >>> with a > > >>> 304 (Not Modified) response. Then i did the same with Firefox, where > > >>> I'm logged in. > > >>> > > >>> This is the result. > > >>> > >>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiamh5.png>. > > >>> 375 seconds!!. Now, a next load in firefox tooks really few to load > > >>> > > >>> I had the same problem with > > >>> > >>> Problema_con_im%C3%A1genes>, > > >>> where I bugged the links to images so the images aren't displayed, > > >>> just to test if the problem were the images, but it took 137 seconds > > >>> to load. > >>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiaxh5.png> > > >>> > > >>> Please, fix this ASAP, or rollback to MW1.10. > > >>> > > >>> It's really frustrating to our new (and not so new) visitors. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 2007/12/26, Artur Bergman wrote: > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>> Some people are experiencing a ~45 second delay the first time you > > >>>> access a wiki. (It just says loading.) I am trying to figure out > > >>>> why > > >>>> and I am trying to collect data. If anyone is experiencing this, > > >>>> can > > >>>> you please post what browsers you are on, and any detail you might > > >>>> think is relevant. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks > > >>>> Artur > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Wikia-l mailing list > > >>>> Wikia-l en wikia.com > > >>>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Wikia-l mailing list > > >>> Wikia-l en wikia.com > > >>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikia-l mailing list > > >> Wikia-l en wikia.com > > >> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikia-l mailing list > > > Wikia-l en wikia.com > > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikia-l mailing list > > Wikia-l en wikia.com > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > From johnq at wikia.com Mon Jan 7 21:30:34 2008 From: johnq at wikia.com (JohnQ) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:30:34 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] slow page loads In-Reply-To: References: <419B0257-D573-4325-ADB2-BB78D1678657@wikia.com> <92CD7B86-4209-401B-8AFC-998B258FBC43@crucially.net> Message-ID: <478299FA.6020906@wikia.com> Hi Jes?s, Yes, I think we have some of the issues nailed down (on both the 1.10 apaches and the 1.12 apaches separately). For wikis running 1.12, as I mentioned before, images are handled differently than in 1.10. For 1.12, every pageview that had images generated a "getThumb()" request for each image and these were being treated as if a new thumbnail was generated and a purge request was sent to the cache (for just viewing the page as opposed to changing anything). Despite this code having run on Wikipedia, Wikipedia wasn't actually effected by this issue because their image servers are set up a bit differently (which we're looking into now). Emil figured out what was going on and put a solution in place... (thank you Emil). Thanks, John Q. Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > Wow, guys, I don't know what did you do, but the pages now are loading > extremely fast. action=purge, editing, it doesn't matter, the load is > inmediate. > > Maybe the fact that the last 3 weeks the pages took eternities to load > increases the feeling of speed, but they're really fast. > > Many thanks for working on it. I hope the bug doesn't come again. > > Greetings! > > > 2008/1/5, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > >> Today, loading concurrently this tho pages: >> and >> , >> the latter one gave me a "MediaWiki White screen of death" saying a >> database error occurred, (hidden SQL) inside the function >> "Database::replace". The error reported was "1205: Lock wait timeout >> exceeded; try restarting transaction (216.151.156.9)". >> >> The pages are the ones which tooks an eternity to load. >> >> Also, I noticed that sometimes, when is loading a page that takes a >> long time to load, and simultaneously I try to load other pages like >> Special:Recentchanges or others which are normally fast to load, all >> pages say "loading" a long time until one of them gets loaded, and >> then the others start to render. Maybe there's a concurrency problem. >> >> Any idea of when the problem will get solved? >> >> I installed exactly the current version of the wiki from SVN (svn >> checkout -r 26409 http://svn.wikimedia...) in my computer, downloaded >> the last database dump (pages_current) of the es.pokemon wiki, >> imported the dump with the import script, and imported those small >> images of the page with the importimages script, and the pages that >> here takes very long to load, for me loaded acceptably fast. Wikia is >> supposed to have fast dedicated servers so here the load would be >> really faster. Maybe the problem is one of the extensions, or the >> internal database architecture of wikia, but not MediaWiki itself. >> >> Maybe recreating the wiki in a similar web server with the same >> extensions, and then disabling each of the extensions could be a >> starting point to look into it. >> >> Hope it helps to find the problem. >> >> 2007/12/31, Artur Bergman wrote: >> >>> No, I don't think so. >>> >>> I was seeing it happening, and then suddenly -- without any changes >>> -- it jumped down to 0.4 seconds and I couldn't reproduce. >>> >>> Still digging into it. >>> >>> Artur >>> >>> On Dec 31, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On MW 1.10 all pages loaded very fast. The problem appeared on MW1.12. >>>> Maybe the most recent version of MW1.12 solved the problem? >>>> >>>> 2007/12/30, Artur Bergman : >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I am trying to debug this problem, thanks for the data. >>>>> >>>>> What I cannot figure out why this is loading so slow on the first >>>>> page, and then really fast. IMS still requires a rework of the >>>>> backend page. >>>>> >>>>> Did this at all happen with MW1.10? >>>>> >>>>> Artur >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 30, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> At least on WikiDex we're having >>>>>> problems now for some pages. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, I try to open the page >>>>>> on Internet >>>>>> Explorer, >>>>>> where I'm not logged in, and record all the process with a packet >>>>>> sniffer. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is what I got: >>>>>> >>>>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiamp5.png> >>>>>> It tooks 319 seconds to give a response. It's definitively not >>>>>> acceptable. Ignore the packets 6 to 9 because is the result to >>>>>> hit the >>>>>> "stop" button in firefox. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then, I reloaded the same page on IE and it loaded really fast, >>>>>> with a >>>>>> 304 (Not Modified) response. Then i did the same with Firefox, where >>>>>> I'm logged in. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the result. >>>>>> >>>>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiamh5.png>. >>>>>> 375 seconds!!. Now, a next load in firefox tooks really few to load >>>>>> >>>>>> I had the same problem with >>>>>> >>>>> Problema_con_im%C3%A1genes>, >>>>>> where I bugged the links to images so the images aren't displayed, >>>>>> just to test if the problem were the images, but it took 137 seconds >>>>>> to load. >>>>> image=etherealscreenshotwikiaxh5.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> Please, fix this ASAP, or rollback to MW1.10. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's really frustrating to our new (and not so new) visitors. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2007/12/26, Artur Bergman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some people are experiencing a ~45 second delay the first time you >>>>>>> access a wiki. (It just says loading.) I am trying to figure out >>>>>>> why >>>>>>> and I am trying to collect data. If anyone is experiencing this, >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> you please post what browsers you are on, and any detail you might >>>>>>> think is relevant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Artur >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikia-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikia-l at wikia.com >>>>>>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikia-l at wikia.com >>>>>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikia-l at wikia.com >>>>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikia-l mailing list >>>> Wikia-l at wikia.com >>>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikia-l mailing list >>> Wikia-l at wikia.com >>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From scarecroe at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 21:07:01 2008 From: scarecroe at gmail.com (Scott Hanson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia search engines Message-ID: <3b6cf93a0801091307g30ef0d07i84aaa2aafe7ebd5f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Wikia uses two different search engines: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/b/b5/Search1.png http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/e/eb/Search2.png What names do we use to refer to them, so I know how to pose a question properly? Thanks, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080109/f4fc9c30/attachment-0001.html From johnq at wikia.com Wed Jan 9 21:12:58 2008 From: johnq at wikia.com (JohnQ) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:12:58 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] Wikia search engines In-Reply-To: <3b6cf93a0801091307g30ef0d07i84aaa2aafe7ebd5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b6cf93a0801091307g30ef0d07i84aaa2aafe7ebd5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478538DA.70608@wikia.com> Hi Scott, The one in use on 99.99% of wikis (the first image) is the regular search... it uses a MySQL text-based search (which means things included via templates aren't included in search results for that page). The one in use on www.wikia.com is the SOLR version... we rolled this out to the site a while back but had issues with getting the indexer to work reliably (which have been fixed). There are tweaks that need to be made to the indexing algorithm of the one in use on www.wikia.com so that main pages show up before the "about" pages on Central, etc. We haven't expanded this out to the rest of the site again as we've been a bit busy. :) I use the the terms "regular search" and "new search" to refer to these two. Thanks, John Q. Scott Hanson wrote: > Hi, > > Wikia uses two different search engines: > > http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/b/b5/Search1.png > http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/e/eb/Search2.png > > What names do we use to refer to them, so I know how to pose a > question properly? > > Thanks, > Scott > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > From dank55 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 12:55:14 2008 From: dank55 at gmail.com (Dan Kindsvater) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:55:14 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] Techs, I'd like a quick opinion on whether certain pre-processing when editing is likely to be doable Message-ID: <000f01c85388$0c4734f0$0601a8c0@emachines> I'd love to get an answer from the techs that would help us avoid a fight which is a few days away from spilling into WP:Village Pump that concerns a wikimedia-wide issue. The question is: if Wikimedia is given a list of rules for phrases that should never wrap..."p. 1", "8 sq ft", "10 AD", etc...would it be too much of a drain on the system to check the diff every time someone makes an edit and insert the proper code? (Probably best would simply be the unicode for no-break space, which would act properly and "invisibly".) For the last month, I've been talking with a group of editors who feel strongly (and they're willing to turn this into a big fight, I'm trying to avoid the fight) that, since parts of Wikipedia are being distributed in DVD and printed form, and since and we're getting more cheap shots about appearance, it's time to follow the same rules for line-wrapping that all pretty printed material (and even serious blogging) does. They're proposing to do this with new markup and a new push to "strongly encourage" all editors to use proper line-wrapping markup; I think we ought to join the modern world and do it the same way everyone else does it, with rules implemented by software, usually. As I say, the argument is initially about WP, but the software solution I propose needs help from Wikimedia techs, and would probably affect Wikia now or in the future, so I'm hoping this list is appropriate for the question...I'm more active at Wikia than WP, I figure you guys have seen me and know that I'm not ranting :) Dan, Dank55, #wikia-de, #wikia, #wikiversity-en, generally hanging around dank55 at gmail.com From jamie at marveldatabase.com Thu Jan 10 13:52:24 2008 From: jamie at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:52:24 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] Techs, I'd like a quick opinion on whether certain pre-processing when editing is likely to be doable In-Reply-To: <000f01c85388$0c4734f0$0601a8c0@emachines> References: <000f01c85388$0c4734f0$0601a8c0@emachines> Message-ID: <757d22db0801100552s35d3c783uba1caa34d4c2381a@mail.gmail.com> Dan, I suggest you log a feature request here: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ Indicate you would like a new markup, like TEXT HERE or similar. I believe it would just simply parse out to something like: TEXT HERE or its CSS equivalent. Let me know if you have any questions. -- Jamie Hari Editor-in-Chief Marvel & DC Database Projects On 1/10/08, Dan Kindsvater wrote: > > I'd love to get an answer from the techs that would help us avoid a fight > which is a few days away from spilling into WP:Village Pump that concerns > a > wikimedia-wide issue. The question is: if Wikimedia is given a list of > rules for phrases that should never wrap..."p. 1", "8 sq ft", "10 AD", > etc...would it be too much of a drain on the system to check the diff > every > time someone makes an edit and insert the proper code? (Probably best > would > simply be the unicode for no-break space, which would act properly and > "invisibly".) > > For the last month, I've been talking with a group of editors who feel > strongly (and they're willing to turn this into a big fight, I'm trying to > avoid the fight) that, since parts of Wikipedia are being distributed in > DVD > and printed form, and since and we're getting more cheap shots about > appearance, it's time to follow the same rules for line-wrapping that all > pretty printed material (and even serious blogging) does. They're > proposing > to do this with new markup and a new push to "strongly encourage" all > editors to use proper line-wrapping markup; I think we ought to join the > modern world and do it the same way everyone else does it, with rules > implemented by software, usually. > > As I say, the argument is initially about WP, but the software solution I > propose needs help from Wikimedia techs, and would probably affect Wikia > now > or in the future, so I'm hoping this list is appropriate for the > question...I'm more active at Wikia than WP, I figure you guys have seen > me > and know that I'm not ranting :) > > Dan, Dank55, #wikia-de, #wikia, #wikiversity-en, generally hanging around > dank55 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080110/3e66e7df/attachment.html From artur at wikia.com Thu Jan 10 18:29:25 2008 From: artur at wikia.com (Artur Bergman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:29:25 -0800 Subject: [Wikia-l] Session/Edit problems Message-ID: <6535F6AD-A386-4155-BFFD-8AFCD0023644@wikia.com> Hi, So we have been having problems with sessions getting lost. This is due to some weird error where are webservers timeout talking to our memcaches. Fixing this is our priority one, though right now, we don't really know why. Sorry Artur From martineznovo at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 18:59:11 2008 From: martineznovo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:59:11 +0100 Subject: [Wikia-l] Techs, I'd like a quick opinion on whether certain pre-processing when editing is likely to be doable In-Reply-To: <613c581d0801100618p29f5939dod936a54801960486@mail.gmail.com> References: <000f01c85388$0c4734f0$0601a8c0@emachines> <757d22db0801100552s35d3c783uba1caa34d4c2381a@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801100618p29f5939dod936a54801960486@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MediaWiki now does something like that for punctuation. See It automatically converts a space before a punctuation to a   so it must be trivial to add more rules to that. But something I don't like is that it's not done taking in mind internationalization. For example, the spaces before punctuation seems to be a rule only for french grammar, but it's applied to all languages. The same would happen with those new rules? It would contain rules from other languages apart from english and french? 2008/1/10, Chris Stafford wrote: > i dont know about an automatic thing, but i could see uses for > > -ubrfzy > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l en wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > From sannse at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 20:03:23 2008 From: sannse at gmail.com (sannse) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:03:23 +0000 Subject: [Wikia-l] Techs, I'd like a quick opinion on whether certain pre-processing when editing is likely to be doable In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c85388$0c4734f0$0601a8c0@emachines> <757d22db0801100552s35d3c783uba1caa34d4c2381a@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801100618p29f5939dod936a54801960486@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Another issue I think is important, is ease of reading in the edit view. This has got more and more complicated over the years, making it harder and harder for newbies to simply click the edit tab, read, and type. The more special code you put in view, the more users who won't edit for fear of braking something on an incomprehensible page. -- sannse Lisa "sannse" Carter Wikia Community and Technical Team http://www.wikia.com On Jan 10, 2008 6:59 PM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > MediaWiki now does something like that for punctuation. > > See > > It automatically converts a space before a punctuation to a   so > it must be trivial to add more rules to that. > > But something I don't like is that it's not done taking in mind > internationalization. For example, the spaces before punctuation seems > to be a rule only for french grammar, but it's applied to all > languages. The same would happen with those new rules? It would > contain rules from other languages apart from english and french? > > 2008/1/10, Chris Stafford wrote: > > i dont know about an automatic thing, but i could see uses for > > > > -ubrfzy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikia-l mailing list > > Wikia-l at wikia.com > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > From jamie at marveldatabase.com Thu Jan 10 20:07:38 2008 From: jamie at marveldatabase.com (Jamie Hari) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:07:38 -0500 Subject: [Wikia-l] Techs, I'd like a quick opinion on whether certain pre-processing when editing is likely to be doable In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c85388$0c4734f0$0601a8c0@emachines> <757d22db0801100552s35d3c783uba1caa34d4c2381a@mail.gmail.com> <613c581d0801100618p29f5939dod936a54801960486@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <757d22db0801101207q283cd113maaf0cdb106639bd2@mail.gmail.com> Well spoken. The issue of complexity of editing is my top complaint on the Marvel Database, currently. We should all strive to achieve a balance of automation, presentation and simplicity for the best end results. Not always easy... Cheers, -- Jamie Hari Editor-in-Chief Marvel & DC Database Projects On 1/10/08, sannse wrote: > > Another issue I think is important, is ease of reading in the edit > view. This has got more and more complicated over the years, making > it harder and harder for newbies to simply click the edit tab, read, > and type. The more special code you put in view, the more users who > won't edit for fear of braking something on an incomprehensible page. > > -- sannse > > Lisa "sannse" Carter > Wikia Community and Technical Team > http://www.wikia.com > > > On Jan 10, 2008 6:59 PM, Jes?s Mart?nez wrote: > > MediaWiki now does something like that for punctuation. > > > > See > > > > It automatically converts a space before a punctuation to a   so > > it must be trivial to add more rules to that. > > > > But something I don't like is that it's not done taking in mind > > internationalization. For example, the spaces before punctuation seems > > to be a rule only for french grammar, but it's applied to all > > languages. The same would happen with those new rules? It would > > contain rules from other languages apart from english and french? > > > > 2008/1/10, Chris Stafford wrote: > > > i dont know about an automatic thing, but i could see uses for > > > > > > > -ubrfzy > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikia-l mailing list > > > Wikia-l at wikia.com > > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikia-l mailing list > > Wikia-l at wikia.com > > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > Wikia-l at wikia.com > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikia.com/pipermail/wikia-l/attachments/20080110/3f288375/attachment-0001.html From dank55 at gmail.com Thu J