[Wikia-l] Abuse Filter extension

Sun Mar 29 05:42:30 UTC 2009

It's not 50 out of 13000.  It's 50 out of 200.  That's 3250 out of 13000.  I
am a large fan of the welcome followed by a personal message.  If you edit
one of the wikis I contribute to, you are guaranteed that.  An interesting
side-note: many wikis that don't send welcomes turned off the automated tool
anyway.  They're just not friendly.  It has nothing to do with the effort
required.

As for automating more tasks, I can't and wouldn't stop you, but I can
predict that people who take pride in performing those tasks will be
offended while some others will be annoyed for no reason.  I assure you that
I personally mean no offense at all.  What you are doing is great where it
is needed.  The problem is size of the elsewhere.

//masterConjurer

2009/3/28 Danny Horn <danny at wikia-inc.com>

> I used to be a much bigger fan of human effort vs automated features on
> Wikia, back when I was just an admin on Muppet Wiki, and we had lots of
> humans making the effort.
>
> Now that I work for Wikia, and I look at thousands of wikis all the time, I
> can see how much effort the human effort takes, and how relatively few
> humans are making the effort.
>
> Before we launched the welcome tool, I did a survey of the top 200 wikis to
> see how many communities were consistently leaving messages for new
> contributors. Turns out about 50 communities were. It's a great thing that
> they were doing it -- but that's only 50 out of 13,000 wikis.
>
> I think it'll be interesting to see if there are other routine tasks we can
> automate and take out of people's way. If an automatic process can clean up
> after vandalism, or follow up with people who have accidentally blanked
> pages, or fix broken links, or whatever... then the humans can spend their
> time doing interesting things, like writing content and learning things and
> being nice to each other.
>
>
> -- Danny
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia-inc.com> wrote:
>
>> I used to feel exactly the same way, but I think we both agree that it's
>> an empirical question.  "In my experience" you write - and I agree.
>> However, I'm very impressed with the data: "The fact that such a message
>> set for page blanking turned 56 of 78 page blanking actions into
>> constructive wiki edits is very intriguing."
>>
>>
>>
>> Master Conjurer wrote:
>> > I disagree.  In my experience on Wikia, human effort has always been
>> > superior to automated features.  Whenever somebody blanks a page on one
>> > of the wikis I use, it never takes more than an hour to undo it and
>> > leave a pleasant message on their talk page (below the usual {{Welcome}}
>> > ) along the lines of, "Hi there.  I saw what you did.  Any chance you'd
>> > rather help us out?"  It works just as often and has no chance of
>> > stopping a genuinely helpful edit the way automated features often do.
>> >
>> > //masterConjurer (talk
>> > <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Master_Conjurer>)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia-inc.com
>> > <mailto:jwales at wikia-inc.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     I really support this kind of thinking... I missed whatever
>> follow-up
>> >     there was about this, but I love the concept of turning page
>> blanking
>> >     actions into constructive edits, etc.
>> >
>> >     I think most vandalism is just people testing to see if they can
>> really
>> >     edit (even after all these years of wiki, people don't believe it),
>> and
>> >     if the filter pops up and says "hey, how are you? maybe you'd like
>> to
>> >     spend your time more usefully, you might be happier that way" then
>> most
>> >     people will respond well to it.
>> >
>> >     Daniel Friesen wrote:
>> >      > There was an interesting posting to wikitech earlier about Abuse
>> >     Filter.
>> >      > Any thoughts on getting the extension on Wikia?
>> >      >
>> >      > Rather than just serious filtering of bad behavior it looks like
>> >     there
>> >      > are interesting soft filters that can spit out a message to the
>> >     user and
>> >      > ask for confirmation.
>> >      > The fact that such a message set for page blanking turned 56 of
>> >     78 page
>> >      > blanking actions into constructive wiki edits is very intriguing.
>> >      >
>> >      > I can definitely see a good use for that kind of feature,
>> especially
>> >      > fitting in with Wikia's ideas for getting new contributors to a
>> wiki.
>> >      > I can think of a good number of filters I could put on the
>> >     Narutopedia
>> >      > which would give a friendly message telling a newbie "You're
>> >     trying to
>> >      > do this? It's not normally considered polite here, maybe you
>> >     wanted to
>> >      > do this instead?" to help point out things which normally would
>> >     end up
>> >      > with someone from the community reverting, tagging for deletion,
>> >     or whatnot.
>> >      > Bleh, to bad it can't catch C&P page moves or copyvios from
>> >     LeafNinja.com.
>> >      >
>> >
>> >
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